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Pot Backers Protest Hick

Posted by CN Staff on October 28, 2005 at 16:28:33 PT
By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News
Source: Rocky Mountain News

Colorado -- Pro-pot forces, fuming that the staff of Denver's brewpub-owning mayor laughed off their debate challenge with a munchies joke, protested at City Hall today with props including a mock "alcohol poisoning" corpse surrounded by jugs from the mayor's Wynkoop Brewery and a pile of Oreos and Doritos bags. "It simply shows that the mayor does not mind that his drug of choice that he sells to this city can lead to death and violence and the drug that he opposes simply leads to  as they put it  the worst case scenario is the munchies," said Mason Tvert, head of the group sponsoring Initiative 100 on Tuesday's ballot.
If passed, the ballot measure would change Denver law to make it legal for adults to posses 1 ounce or less of marijuana. The major theme of the Alcohol-Marijuana Equalization Initiative is that adults should have the legal right to choose marijuana, which proponents call a safer alternative to booze, blaming that legal drug for fueling deadly violence, car wrecks, collegiate binge-drinking and alcoholism. Supporters also posted a second Denver billboard today, at Santa Fe Drive and Alameda Avenue, stating: "Annual Deaths. Alcohol: 19,928. Marijuana: 0. Plain. Honest. Fact. Vote Yes on I-100." Tvert said the fatality figures are "conservatively" based on national statistics for liver disease and alcohol overdoses. Mayor John Hickenlooper hasn't actively campaigned against the measure, but he's said that he opposes legalizing marijuana because it's a "gateway drug" that can lead to destructive addictions. I-100 backers were infuriated when the mayor's spokeswoman responded to a protest Wednesday at City Hall by saying Hickenlooper was "focused on issues that actually matter to Denver," adding that the measure would have no impact because pot possession cases will continue to be prosecuted under state law. The mayor's acting chief of state, Cole Finegan, was quoted in the Denver Post joking about whether to "orchestrate a shipment of Oreos and Doritos" to pot protestors. The mayor's spokeswoman, Lindy Eichenbaum Lent, said today: "If this handful of folks is genuinely concerned about the dangers of alcohol, they should spend their time trying to bring back Prohibition. No matter how creative they get, state law will still make marijuana illegal in Denver regardless of the initiative's outcome."Source: Denver Rocky Mountain News (CO)Author: Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain NewsPublished: October 28, 2005Copyright: 2005 Denver Publishing Co.Contact: letters rockymountainnews.comWebsite: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Safer Choicehttp://www.saferchoice.org/Change The Climatehttp://www.changetheclimate.org/ Pot Backers Can't Stoke Hickenlooperhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21239.shtml No for Denver Pot Initiativehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21226.shtmlSAFER Could Still Be Smarterhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21223.shtml

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Comment #37 posted by herbdoc215 on November 02, 2005 at 11:58:43 PT
Jose, I have thought about my earlier response
and it seems more flippant than I intended...forgive my rashness. I would give anything if a lasting peace and respect based relationship of all us reformers could be formed and maintained. I think just about everybody on both sides has had all of this that we can stand? As for me which is all I can speak for, I am laying aside all personal differences and hurts until this war against us is over...period. I just want to quit seeing my friends and family so torn apart by continually being dissed and dismissed for age old bs that isn't doing anything but keeping us fractured and fighting??? I am willing to do whatever it takes to get this done, just tell me what it takes to make peace and I'll do it? I know one thing, only by all of us singing at once will we ever be heard...and we don't even have to all be singing the same song, just the noise of 2 or 3 million people would wash this stain off of our country for the rest of our lives and we could all go back to actually trying to change the things that really matter like human rights abuses, and saving our planet while there is still one left to save! In Peace, Steve
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on November 01, 2005 at 09:57:13 PT
herbdoc215 
I know it is hard to get into the VA system but once you are in it seems to work ok. Bush has cut VA benefits and really made it hard for Veterans. He likes war and we know the rest of the story. My husband doesn't get any money from the VA but he has had expensive tests done and has not been charged for the tests.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on November 01, 2005 at 09:37:37 PT
Herbdoc215
It's so good to hear from you. We are all very concerned about what may or may not be happening to you. Thanks so much for checking in. Please keep us up with what is happening with you as much as you safely can.Try not to be embarrassed about your medical history being dragged all over the media. We are adults and we know what sickness and pain is all about. 
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Comment #34 posted by herbdoc215 on November 01, 2005 at 09:20:27 PT
Please forgive my spelling mistakes 
but I hate using spell check cause I don't like machines doing my thinking for me and I can't type for shit so it always comes out looking like a 6th grader does my writing...which with me having to go without my real medicine is probably true:) Hell it's going to cost me >$10,000 just to get the test done to find out what kind of surgery I need to fix my urinary problems (sure is embarassing to have to talk about all this crap in public...I'm sorry if it bothers some?) so the fun just keeps getting better everyday...1-1/2 year waiting list to get VA benefits back makes it even more fun for all of us vets??? What happened to our country? Wher are we going as a people? Is this what my Grandfather fought in Okinawa (sp?) for? As for my lawyers here is correct spelling and address... Douglas Hiatt and Jeffrey Steinborn
1800 Seattle Tower
1218 Third Ave.
Seattle, Wa.  980101
1-800-700-5117
and if anybody can help these are the guys to kick down to, just please don't nobody put themselves out to help us...I always feel like there are so many people out there who deserves help more than me so I always feel stupid asking for anything but these guys are helping alot more people than just me so they need money even after my little ass has been dealt with either way it goes...I know when I get back on my feet where my money in the future will be going...to those in the treches who are doing the real fighting. peace, steve
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on November 01, 2005 at 07:38:27 PT
herbdoc215
It is great to see you. I know that this is no joking matter. I know you know that. Be careful and stay safe and know we love you.
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Comment #32 posted by herbdoc215 on November 01, 2005 at 06:51:25 PT
Jose here is article used in warrant...
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14035.shtml
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Comment #31 posted by herbdoc215 on November 01, 2005 at 06:47:10 PT
Jose, I would love to 'work things out' with MPP
which in my case would be them to just stop doing the stupid shit they seem to relish at these days...like sending mail to folks who didn't ask, using people names to raise money who didn't agree...holding NORML out as bad cause they are afraid they might get a dime that MPP didn't...just little things like that but if Kampia wants to grow a heart I'm sure willing to listen, hell even the grinch grew a heart??? It's good to be back but I gotta be careful what I say these days, so if I can't answer some things it isn't me being anything but careful :) As for money to lawyers, Doug Hiatt in Seattle,Wa. is my #1 lawyer and if anybody deserves loot it's him as he is one special dude and not just for putting his ass on the line for me either, I stayed with him for several days and believe me, him and Jeffery Seinborn are fighting the good fight and saving lives everyday, those cats are who need money and who should get it!!!! As of now EVERYTHING in my case is up in the air, feds won't say whats going to happen yet so we're just idling and waiting with baited breath? thanks for caring, peace, steve
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Comment #30 posted by jose melendez on November 01, 2005 at 06:20:49 PT
perhaps we could expose them on that very page
"my federal warr(a)nt has a story from C-news attached along with comments"Great to see you back, herbdoc. Which cannabisnews.com page was it that the feds used? Also, is there an address to which we may send your lawyer some funds? Finally, is there no way to work things out with MPP?
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Comment #29 posted by herbdoc215 on November 01, 2005 at 06:07:23 PT
FoM, that's no joking matter in some towns??
Some police agencies have people/family working in small town mailing centers...who wants a midnite raid on their house for being "pro-drug" in one of the "red" states? It is this very smarmy-ass attitude that sooooo pisses me off about MPP and their methods! Using my name in an appeal for money is about ass claasy as Walters doing it if you ask me! They KNOW how I feel about them! Firing patients at the gov't to scare them into fast-tracking SativaX is ALL they are worried about! Now check this, I BADLY need an IND (Feds have a special $15,000 piss test they are going to try and use on me next week to jam me cause they know the deal) for SativaX and since I have been such a vocal opponent of their methods...GW said screw me and my needs and that they wouldn't support my IND. Probably the same deal since it cost $150 a day anyway and I can't pay attention let alone that. My Marinol, which doesn't work for me is $13,000 A MONTH...does anybody else get the feeling I am being set-up? Plus my federal warrent has a story from C-news attached along with comments...everybody here needs to be VERY aware that what we say here stays oh so public...but I've never said nothing here I wouldn't have said to my Mom and thats usually good enough for me. We are changing things and that scares the shit out of some people. Peace, Steve
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Comment #28 posted by Dankhank on October 29, 2005 at 11:32:51 PT
Uses
off the top of my kopf ...Lotions ... hand, foot, lip ... et alFood ... seed oil, hempnuts, most of flour uses ...fuel ... auto, stove, lamp ...textiles ... from silk-like to gunny sack and inbetween tents, linens, rugs, drapes, quilts, bedsheets, towels, diapers, flags, etc. Hemp is softer than cotton, warmer than cotton, more water-absorbant than cotton, has three times the tensile strength of cotton, and it is much more durable than cotton. Hemp cloth does not stretch out....paper...Hemp rope has been valued for its resistance to deteriation in salt or fresh water....medicine ... headache to cancer and many inbetween ...
religious ...
construction materials ...
bio-degradable plastics ...
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on October 29, 2005 at 08:26:50 PT

Hope
He said he'll buy me a laptop if I need to go run! LOL!Seriously I don't need to get mail that is scary. Life is scary these days. I'd much rather see flower children on the outside of an envelope then a swat team.
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on October 29, 2005 at 08:19:31 PT

Stick
Make sure she at least has a laptop under her arm if she takes off "running through the bushes".
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on October 29, 2005 at 08:14:19 PT

Laughing...
I can imagine. Good one, Stick. 
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on October 29, 2005 at 07:53:52 PT

Hope
You made my husband think of this song but I'll change it to she.She hid in the briars and she hid in the brambles and
she ran thru the bushes where a rabbit wouldn't go.
She ran so fast the the hounds couldn't catch her, on down
the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.http://www.elyrics.net/go/j/johnny-horton-lyrics/battle-of-new-orleans-lyrics/
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on October 29, 2005 at 06:48:35 PT

Jim Lunsford
Those two hundred thousand hits a day...I think that's about thirty of us checking constantly on what's going on.Toker...don't say "famous"...you'll have FoM looking to go deeper into the woods than she already is!
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Comment #22 posted by OverwhelmSam on October 29, 2005 at 06:42:16 PT

When the Wall, Comes Tumbling Down
Wow! There has been a ton of activitiy across the nation this year. Is it me, or are a lot of laws against marijuana being changed this year in states and municipalities?
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Comment #21 posted by mayan on October 29, 2005 at 06:19:53 PT

unrelated
Columbia, SC That is the latest of the 397 cities,towns,municipalities and states to pass resolutions critical of the PATRIOT Act...http://www.bordc.org/detail.php?id=427Columbia Council Defends Bill of Rights:
http://www.carolinapeace.org/index.php/pt/3/a/706?PHPSESSID=7c761ccaa2c325714adffe5f1fcbe0bfBill of Rights Defense Committee:
http://www.bordc.org/
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Comment #20 posted by Toker00 on October 29, 2005 at 04:05:04 PT

Sensationalism for maximum impact
I got the same MPP letter, FoM. The illustration is to make everyone who sees it aware that our government is not kidding about waging a war on it's own people. Many innocent victims have fallen at the hands of these militarized thugs. The point is, they are not joking, and we need to stop these attacks on cannabis users, and innocent victims. It is ridiculous that our government sends these groups of thugs out against American citizenry! This is no different than the SS troops of Nazi Germany. FoM, I think it is a matter of simply removing yourself from their mailing list. It was not right for them to send you unsolicited mail, but they at least provided you with valuable information, unlike the unsolicited junk ads you receive in your mail, too.Besides that, you are famous in the cannabis reform circle, and they would love to have your support, as they are supporting the same cause you are. Freedom to Inhale.Does this make sense?Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!
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Comment #19 posted by Jim Lunsford on October 29, 2005 at 02:37:04 PT

FoM
Thank you for your reply. It came at a good time for me. I have been wondering for some time as to how to help find a way to ignite the passion on a broader national scale for the Cannabis cause. I admit, cannabis legalization has a tendency to always allowing the notion of "just want to get high" taint our cause. Well, hell yes, we want to get high! But that's not all we want. Of course, one can always refer to the classic Jack Herer web based book "The Emperor Wears No Clothes", but is that enough? If it were, then Cannabis would have been legal long ago. And unfortunately, I have little desire or direction with which to actually develop my own web site to help with this cause.Yet I do feel deeply that Cannabis can be easily woven into so many different causes, that the combination of the groups pushing for legalization would become an undefeatable force. And so, I do offer up a suggestion for anyone who is web-savvy enough to undertake, if they think it's a good idea. I know I won't take advantage of it, so perhaps someone else will.I'm sure that everyone (assuming is such a dangerous word, isn't it?) has heard that there were about 15,000 (or was it 25,000?) uses for Cannabis in 1937. But, exactly what were those uses? And is there anyone out there who has any ideas of what those uses were?The idea came from the wikipedia (I think that's it). Where you can edit the information and offer opposing viewpoints on any particular subject. Perhaps people could help to contribute not only the items that cannabis was used in, but the how to information on how to produce those items. I'm just throwing it out for the 200,000 or so viewers this site has each day. Surely one of you could do something useful with it. If not, then it probably isn't worth doing. lol I hope that perhaps someone can do something with it anyway. And for those of you who haven't seen Jack Herer's book, here is his web site which offers readers quite a hefty sampling of it's contents. http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.htmlHope this wasn't out of line, I just know that I won't carry through with the idea, and hope that it might help someone along the way. PeaceRev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchLoving God: Start with loving all God's creations. Which includes those parts you hate so much. Perhaps, especially so.
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Comment #18 posted by Taylor121 on October 28, 2005 at 23:28:01 PT

Hmm
All my mail this year from the MPP just had their logo and that is it on the outside of the envelope. I seem to recall mail one time from them that displayed something similar on the envelope sent to me nearly a full year ago. I have also received one or two mails from NORML that were suggestive to what was inside in my time with them. That is weird that the MPP would add you if you didn't sign up. I have regular mail from organizations that our pro assisted suicide in the case of the terminally ill. I'm fairly sure that one of the drug policy organizations is handing out mailing addresses to like minded organizations, and I have my eye on Drug Policy Alliance and the Libertarian Party. Even still, that you described is suggestive but hardly definitive as to what is in the mail.
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Comment #17 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on October 28, 2005 at 23:17:28 PT

FoM
I think you would do everyone a favor to complain about that mail to MPP directly because nobody needs mail like that delivered to their home. I'm sure they would understand that this is something they should stop doing. 
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 22:05:05 PT

Hope
It sure wasn't discreet and I don't appreciate getting unsolicited mail under any circumstance. The swat team picture was really freaky.
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Comment #15 posted by Hope on October 28, 2005 at 21:59:37 PT

Illustrated Envelope
Not very discreet and worrisome that you didn't request to be on their mailing list.
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Comment #14 posted by siege on October 28, 2005 at 21:39:45 PT

Jim
Now if one of the senators would get a bill to cut Ray Guns 
solar bill of the 1980's that said we could not make more then 12% solar we would over...

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Comment #13 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 21:24:20 PT

PainWithNoInsurance
The words on the envelope said:When they say "war" they're not kidding.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 21:07:55 PT

PainWithNoInsurance
It was a swat team with guns and masks on a nice country porch on the right side of the envelope. That's what bothered me. People who sort the mail will see that picture and since we don't treat people that way around here it would make those who see it while processing it and delivering it wonder what it was about. 
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Comment #11 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on October 28, 2005 at 21:02:28 PT

FoM
I've never received anything from them like that on the outside of the letter. The only thing it says is MPP. 
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 20:52:52 PT

PainWithNoInsurance
I'm happy you like getting mail from them. It had a picture of a swat team on someones front porch. We don't have swat teams around here. It's just not something that goes on around our area. All we have are lots of horse and buggys.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 20:49:33 PT

Jim
That's very interesting. My sister is 71 years old and she is an activist in her town and works all the time on trying to stop a dump from being put in near their town because of possible water contamination. She has always been a republican and we just stay out of issues concerning politics when we talk but today we talked alot about what is happening to our country because of the republicans. It surprised me that she would admit who is causing our problems but she did. She is a retired police woman a deputy sheriff and she has a few of her adult children living with her. Her one son is disabled because he has Muscular Dystrophy and she has been able to file as head of household but they just changed the law and she will lose more money. We talked about the earth and if we don't start paying attention to it we'll all be effected because the earth will live on even if disease kills us all. It's a very sobering thought but it's true.
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Comment #8 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on October 28, 2005 at 20:43:22 PT

FoM
I get snail mail from them because I am a donating member, and I like to here from them. The letter has MPP on the return address and doesn't say anything about MJ. I am very pleased with their efforts in this war against American citizens right to make their own decisions that harm no one else.
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Comment #7 posted by Jim Lunsford on October 28, 2005 at 20:39:46 PT

Off Topic
Just thought I would share this bit of news. I have the link below this comment. Wal-Mart is now investing in getting all of it's stores to run with 100% renewable energy. That's huge! I mention this because I believe that Cannabis is an important step in helping to restore the balance of our fragile environment. In fact, I am convinced that it is the most viable option for us to restore our delicate balance with nature.Here's the link:http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1028/p02s02-ussc.htmlPeace to all,Rev Jim LunsfordFirst Cannabist ChurchReligion: Still the opiate of the masses
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 19:11:43 PT

PainWithNoInsurance 
Thank you for the e-mail. I looked around their site to unsubscribe even though I never subscribed to get mail at my home. I get e-mail news from them but regular mail isn't something I wanted to ever get. NORML hasn't sent me anything and I get their e-mail news. We have to see our family attorney soon and we can ask him how to make sure this doesn't happen anymore. Everyone knows everyones business out my way and it just makes life a little more tense.
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Comment #5 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on October 28, 2005 at 18:53:17 PT

FoM
If you have been added to MPP's email list without your consent you should email them and state your complaint. I hope they aren't trying to push themselves on anyone. They are such a good organization and do very good work but being pushy is wrong.He's their email address found on their web site:
info mpp.org 
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Comment #4 posted by mayan on October 28, 2005 at 18:10:59 PT

Hypocrisy Exposed!
Mayor John Hickenlooper hasn't actively campaigned against the measure, but he's said that he opposes legalizing marijuana because it's a "gateway drug" that can lead to destructive addictions.The "gateway theory" in regards to cannabis has been disproven time and again but the mayor does mention "destructive addictions". Destructive addictions such as ALCOHOLISM??? THE MAYOR OWNS A BREWPUB!!! Like I said before, these folks can't open their mouths anymore without making themselves look extremely stupid.The mayor's spokeswoman, Lindy Eichenbaum Lent, said today: "If this handful of folks is genuinely concerned about the dangers of alcohol, they should spend their time trying to bring back Prohibition.It's very interesting that she brings up ALCOHOL PROHIBITION. Banning a very popular drug always works so well! Actually, why would we want to bring back such a failed policy? Why do we want to continue the increasingly failed policy of cannabis prohibition? Thanks for prolonging the comparison between alcohol and cannabis, Lindy Eichenbaum Lent. The prohibitionist have indeed made sure that everyone in Denver has heard of I-100 by now!In unrelated events, Cindi Sheehan is raising more hell than ever...I cannot live freely in a country where people are allowed to commit murder - By Cindy Sheehan:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10800.htm THE WAY OUT...Retired Air Force Col: They lied to us about the war and about 9/11 itself:
http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/10/27/oil_mafia_treason/#more-88
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Comment #3 posted by runderwo on October 28, 2005 at 17:31:07 PT

brilliant
"The mayor's spokeswoman, Lindy Eichenbaum Lent, said today: "If this handful of folks is genuinely concerned about the dangers of alcohol, they should spend their time trying to bring back Prohibition."Oh, that's rich. Because obviously, reinstating alcohol prohibition is the best way to solve the problems with alcohol that the drug prohibition has not solved with drugs. LOL! Tell us another one, Lindy. Clue: It's about freedom of choice, not about how people use that choice in the end.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on October 28, 2005 at 17:08:23 PT

A Question
I just received mail from MPP and I never wanted any mail from them. How can I get off the mailing list. Does anyone know? Thanks.
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Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on October 28, 2005 at 16:50:03 PT

At this point I feel arrogantly secure
Cannabinoids kill cancer, cannabinoids protect brain cells from alcohol, cannabinoids build new brain cells, the birds that can find the worm tomorrow will always beat the birds that know where the worm was yesterday.A society founded on remembering where the worm was yesterday isn't prepeared to meet tomorrow.Okay, we're oppressed. But still, I feel sorry for the ones oppressing us, because they have to face life without cannabinoids. Their cancer cells aren't being inhibited, their brain cells aren't being protected or restored, and they're going to get pretty hungry when their worms stop showing up in their same old holes.
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