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To Grow or Not To Grow?
Posted by CN Staff on March 08, 2005 at 17:07:36 PT
By Claudia Reed, Staff Writer
Source: Willits News
Grow it indoors. Grow it only in an industrial zone. Don't grow it within city limits. Those are some of the options an ad hoc committee working on an ordinance to control marijuana growing brought to the last city council meeting.An earlier option: permitted growing within backyard greenhouses, appears to have been abandoned. Greenhouses, committee members said, would leave the crop too visible and too vulnerable to theft for community safety.
So far, protecting the community from crime, unpleasant odors, and possible negative health impacts from airborne pollen are the concerns that appear legally supportable in a state that permits the growing of medical marijuana. Permission to grow inside a home, however, was not an option that engendered much enthusiasm from council members. Mayor Tami Jorgensen said the walls of a home wouldn't offer much protection once pot thieves realized someone was growing "25 plants in their family room." The resulting breakin and related violence could endanger the neighbors, she said. Similarly, Jorgensen said, house walls would do little to protect neighbors from unpleasant fumes during the summer when windows are left open. "When the neighbor cooks steaks I smell it," she said.Councilman Denny McEntire asked about the impact on homes that are rented, rather than owned, by the growers. He told the story of bedrooms in one such home lined with plastic and filled with dirt for an indoor garden. The resulting damage was so severe, he said, that the rooms had to be torn off the building and rebuilt. Councilman Ron Orenstein, who serves on the ordinance committee, suggested limiting marijuana growing to industrial zones. His suggestion was rejected by the four other committee members Councilwoman Holly Madrigal, City Manager Ross Walker, Chief of Police Gerry Gonzalez, and Community Development Director Alan Falleri.The possibility of making marijuana growing off limits altogether was also discussed with warnings about likely resulting legal challenges."Any ordinance could engender a lawsuit," said Walker, who is also an attorney, "but one or more (option) might be more easily defendable." Complete Title: To Grow or Not To Grow? Work on Marijuana Ordinance ContinuesSource: Willits News (CA)Author: Claudia Reed, Staff WriterPublished: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 Copyright: 2005 The Willits News Contact: editorial willitsnews.comWebsite: http://www.willitsnews.com/Related Articles: Pot Laws Conflicting, Confusinghttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19830.shtmlCity: Pot Gardens are a Problemhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19814.shtmlPot Odors Wafting in Valleyhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19470.shtml 
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Comment #18 posted by kaptinemo on March 10, 2005 at 04:30:03 PT:
And if it wasn't made it clear enough 
We are dealing with *theories*. As in 'unproven'. But on the basis of such *theories* national policy is formed.(Theories like: cannabis makes Hispanic men think they can look White men in the eye because they think they are just as good, or cause White women to cohabitate with Black men and bear their progeny, and other such inanities.) It's almost axiomatic that human society has not caught up with our level of technology. Too many of our laws today were originally based upon a time of ignorance and superstition - as detailed by the theories I've posited above - and we all suffer for it. That ignorance and superstition has morphed into more contemporary, modern sounding myths, but are no less indicative of that same ignorance.
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Comment #17 posted by kaptinemo on March 10, 2005 at 03:46:36 PT:
Intolerance
Except for the obvious regarding cannabis prohibition, I haven't personally experienced much of that intolerance Sam Adams has pointed out...but I have *witnessed* it. It began with the 'Broken Windows Hypothesis': http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=broken+windows+hypothesis As one article put it: "The broken windows theory posits that public disorder, such as graffiti, solicitation, or fare jumping, causes higher crime by signaling that the neighborhood is out of control, and that combating disorder will reduce serious crime."In other words, the theory suggests that if you crack down on every little thing that society (or society's self-appointed proctors) considers as being 'public disorder', you'll signal the reverse. Namely, "The authorities are in charge, so watch your step". The problem is when this policy is taken to extremes; show up at a Bush rally with a T-shirt that even remotely suggests criticism of his policies, and the Secert Service (my, how their acronym is becoming more fitting) or the police arrest you...on the basis of 'public disorder'. This is also why we have such travesties such as 'Free Speech Zones'. When you combine this mindset with that which entertains the idea of child 'superpredators' http://www.google.com/search?q=child+superpredator+&hl=en&lr= you get the kind of policing this country has increasingly experienced.Now, it should be noted that those who promulgated these theories had their own personal - and political - NeoConservative careers to advance by doing so; the man who came up with the 'superpredator theory' is none other than John DiIulio. (He was the man originally chosen to head Bush's faith-based intitiative office, but later found that it wasn't the largely mythical child superpredators he had to worry about, but the very real adult ones in Bush's cabinet who hounded him. It was Mr. DiIulio who coined the phrase "Mayberry Machiavellis" to describe the mindset of the people he was working with.)Intolerance? You betcha. But that intolerance is masking raw fear. You have to ask: Fear of what?
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Comment #16 posted by Sam Adams on March 09, 2005 at 16:41:16 PT
is Prohibtion really the problem here?
I think it's part of the problem. I think it's also just a symptom of a larger, and more alarming trend: intolerance.  America is fast becoming a place where your life is controlled by the whims of your neighbors, and the other people that live in your town.Somehow, the fundamental right to liberty - the near sacred words of "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" - has somehow morphed into a spoiled tantrum of people thinking it's their "right" to not have to hear unpleasant words, unpleasant thoughts, see unpleasant sights, smell unpleasant odors, hear disturbing sounds, etc. People seem to feel they have an individual privilege to not be offended, in any way, that trumps everyone else's privileges.Where the hell did this come from?  It happened awful quick. I remember in the late 70's in my Northeast suburban town. The big strip mall in town always had a crowd of teens & young adults parked in back, in the shadows, drinking & talking & listening to quiet music. But they got "cleaned up". Now the parking lot is squeaky clean, and totally empty. I'll bet a lot of the same type of people now sit at home, watching TV alone. Absorbing network news and commercials by the hour. I'm sure this is a process that occurred around the U.S. The right to assemble, the right to pursue happiness by drinking with your friends, those rights were trumped by some other people's right to not have to look upon people drinking & talking.I guess I missed that part of the Constitution.
 
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Comment #15 posted by siege on March 09, 2005 at 09:36:28 PT
Liberty
Liberty is an easy word to say, but it is a hard word to live up to. Freedom has little to do with financial gain or personal pleasure. Accompanying freedom is her constant and unattractive companion, "Responsibility." Neither is she an only child. "Patriotism" and "Morality" are her sisters. They are inseparable; destroy one and all will die.
As you read those words, remember that Travis and the others did not have the People: for the un-American Way, and the National Education Association telling them how intolerant and narrow-minded their notions of honor and patriotism were. A hostile media did not constantly castigate them as a bunch of wild- eyed extremists. As school children, they were not taught that their forefathers were nothing more than racist jerks.
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Comment #14 posted by siege on March 09, 2005 at 09:31:39 PT
Just sent it to 
Chattanooga Times Free Press News Managing Editor:To see if he answer.
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on March 09, 2005 at 09:24:02 PT
kaptinemo
I'm sorry but I feel that people will think I don't care about these important issues because I don't post the articles when the only reason is I'm told I can't post them without snipping them. 
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Comment #12 posted by kaptinemo on March 09, 2005 at 09:20:33 PT:
Think of it as being a'proxie', FoM
We might not be able to act directly, but through your efforts, the word gets out. The voiceless are heard. The silenced speak. And those most responsible for the mess they made, like an idiot dog in need of continual reminding during housebreaking, get their noses rubbed in the foulness they created.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on March 09, 2005 at 09:01:13 PT
It Would Be So Nice
Yesterday we had over 160,000 hits. I wish I could promote these articles too. People are reading CNews and it would be a great benefit for us all.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on March 09, 2005 at 08:58:59 PT
kaptinemo
I believe in being fair. Everyday we are fighting the government for being unfair. I do take it seriously.
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Comment #9 posted by kaptinemo on March 09, 2005 at 08:56:27 PT:
FoM, it's a mixed blessing
But at least, through this site, we can get the word out to all our allies...and make our opponents wish the Internet had never gotten away from it's former masters.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on March 09, 2005 at 08:46:34 PT
kaptinemo
I feel so bad because Mapinc. post the full articles from papers we are supposed to snip. Do as I say not as I do but that's life.
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Comment #7 posted by cannaman on March 09, 2005 at 08:36:27 PT
yeah right
I think I will go get a couple of tons of dirt and fill up my dwelling and grow bud inside, and me and the dogs will sleep outside, yeah that makes sense!!! Is this the best they can do is it smells, its dangerous for the neighborhood, come on people. With this type of logic anybody with anything valuable in their house is a potential target for crime or getting ripped off, this is the nature of society...get over it. There will always be crime when we live in an economically diverse population.
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Comment #6 posted by kaptinemo on March 09, 2005 at 08:22:04 PT:
MAJOR HEAD'S UP!!!
Many thanks to Libby at LastOneSpeaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ for this one. THIS is why I go there several times a day to see what's new.The Vancouver Sun is running a surprisingly good, 4 part factual rundown on the history of cannabis prohibition. Go to the Media Awareness Project archive   http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05.n400.a02.html for the first installment, and to the Vancouver Sun Webpage right now http://tinyurl.com/6kbdp to see Chapter 2. In a nutshell, with fine Canadian understatedness, they're pulling no punches and are calmly damning prohibition for the godawful failure it is. And yes, they *do* use the P-word (for 'prohibition')...lots. The media is finally getting it. 
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Comment #5 posted by siege on March 09, 2005 at 07:41:19 PT
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on March 09, 2005 at 07:33:51 PT
Patrick
I'm with you. This really is ridiculous.
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Comment #3 posted by Patrick on March 09, 2005 at 07:11:43 PT
One I hadn't heard before
and possible negative health impacts from airborne pollenI'm sorry but that is so freakin ridiculus I am laughing. Really I am.Sometimes it seems like prohibition will never end...
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Comment #2 posted by Hope on March 08, 2005 at 18:34:03 PT
Good Point, Mayan
"Besides, criminals need more items to be outlawed and made worth their weight in gold."I'll be using that in any letter where it could be useful, if you don't mind.Thanks. 
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Comment #1 posted by mayan on March 08, 2005 at 18:25:46 PT
Excuses,Excuses
Mayor Tami Jorgensen said the walls of a home wouldn't offer much protection once pot thieves realized someone was growing "25 plants in their family room." The resulting breakin and related violence could endanger the neighbors, she said.Better ban stereos,tv's,china,jewelry,money,etc. Wouldn't want some thief to break in to steal such items and 
"endanger the neighbors". Besides, criminals need more items to be outlawed and made worth their weight in gold. Similarly, Jorgensen said, house walls would do little to protect neighbors from unpleasant fumes during the summer when windows are left open. "When the neighbor cooks steaks I smell it," she said.Maybe some folks prefer the smell of dead,burning animals over the aroma of beautiful cannabis flowers but I'm certainly not one of them.THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...The Collapse of WTC 1: Madrid Exposes a Fundamental Flaw:
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http://rense.com/general63/chertoffcousinwrote911.htm9/11 Was an Inside Job - A Call to All True Patriots:
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
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