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  Priming The Propaganda Mill

Posted by CN Staff on January 31, 2005 at 23:14:57 PT
By Steve Fox, AlterNet 
Source: AlterNet 

The federal government has spent over a billion dollars in recent years telling Americans what to think about marijuana and illegal drugs. Much noise has been made, and rightly so, about the Bush administration's habit of secretly paying pundits and columnists to tout the White House line in the guise of independent journalism or commentary. But as we sound the alarm over covert propaganda, shouldn't we also be concerned about the overt kind?
The federal government spends enough scarce tax dollars on overt propaganda to make the $241,000 paid to Armstrong Williams look like chickenfeed, and that ought to be cause for real outrage. In a democracy, the people are supposed to tell the government what to think, not vice versa. On just one issue – our policy toward marijuana and illegal drugs – the federal government has spent over a billion dollars in recent years telling Americans what to think. Every time a proposal to allow seriously ill patients to use marijuana for medical purposes under their doctors' supervision comes before voters or legislators, officials from the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) stream into town, repeating dire and often misleading warnings. That those warnings often have little effect (Montana voters ignored the White House and gave 62 percent approval to a medical marijuana proposal last November) does not make the practice any less inappropriate.Perhaps even more pernicious are those ONDCP anti-drug ads on television, radio and in print. Though officially aimed at curbing teen drug abuse, independent evaluations of the campaign have consistently failed to find any such effect. Business Week got it right last October when it reported, "The ads' main focus is anti-marijuana messages aimed at state ballot initiatives for drug-policy reform."Here the White House is having it both ways: Overt propaganda aimed at kids that also serves as covert political propaganda targeting adults. Worse, the ads are misleading and very likely counterproductive.In recent years ONDCP's commercials have focused overwhelmingly, almost obsessively, on marijuana. But marijuana is well documented to be far less toxic or addictive than alcohol and tobacco, much less cocaine, heroin or methamphetamine. A scientific review by Oxford University researcher Leslie Iversen in the February issue of Current Opinion in Pharmacology concludes, "Overall, by comparison with other drugs used mainly for 'recreational' purposes, cannabis could be rated a relatively safe drug."But you would never know that from those government ads, which suggest that if you smoke a joint you will shoot your friends, run down little girls on bicycles and end up a homeless derelict. Far more dangerous substances are rarely mentioned in this ad blitz, whose government origins are typically disclosed in a minimal, easy-to-miss fashion.There are clear signs that this distorted emphasis, driven by politics instead of science, is hurting our kids. According to the latest federally funded Monitoring the Future survey of American teenagers, adolescent use of marijuana declined slightly last year while use of potentially lethal inhalants and cocaine went up. And teens rated occasional use of marijuana as being more dangerous than trying crack cocaine, drinking nearly every day or taking LSD regularly.Amazingly, White House drug czar John Walters called the survey's results "good news for American parents and teens." One can only wonder what he thinks bad news would look like.Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) is preparing to introduce legislation requiring all government-purchased ads to state that they were bought at taxpayer expense. Such truth-in-labeling is an essential step in the right direction. An even better idea is for the government to get out of the propaganda business entirely. Steve Fox is director of government relations for the Marijuana Policy Project. -- http://www.mpp.org/Source: AlterNet (US)Author: Steve Fox, AlterNetPublished: January 31, 2005Copyright: 2005 Independent Media InstituteContact: letters alternet.org Website: http://www.alternet.org/DL: http://alternet.org/drugreporter/21136/Related Articles: Drug Control Office Faulted For Issuing Tapeshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20100.shtmlBush's Drug Videos Broke Lawhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20098.shtmlONDCP: Ads Drive Drop in Drug Use http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread20052.shtml

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Comment #185 posted by FoM on February 14, 2005 at 19:10:12 PT
observer
I will do my best to try to figure out a description of what CNews is. When you posted your comment it gave me an idea. I don't think much about things that require me to put things together like you do. I am a quick to decide person and find it hard to do a lot of reading or even watching tv. I learned to be ready and on guard working with horses most of my life. I bounce around in my mind so I hope I didn't confuse you or make you think that I was upset because I surely wasn't. 
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Comment #184 posted by FoM on February 14, 2005 at 17:50:28 PT
observer
No it didn't bother me it made me think about what CNews is about and what it isn't about. I guess for me it doesn't come easy. I really live in the present and don't know how to do these things. When I make a web page I get an idea and make a page. Then I don't do anymore pages until I get another brainstorm! LOL!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29#Miscellaneous
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Comment #183 posted by observer on February 14, 2005 at 17:43:45 PT
wikis
Sorry to confuse you, FoM. Perhaps I should have chosen a different example. Wikis are not associated with any party. A wiki is just a technique, a way to do things. Kinda like centering text on a page or in your word processor is just a technique, it isn't associated with a party. If someone gave an example of "how to center text", and the example they gave was the word "Elephant" (centered on a page), you wouldn't then think that centering text meant "Elephant", because the word "Elephant" was just a word used as some sample text. Right?Similarly, the libertarian wiki was just an EXAMPLE of how a subject-specific wiki (someone ELSE'S wiki) would work. You can have wiki's for any subject you like. The libertarian wiki I listed was only an example of a topic-specific wiki. If cnews made a wiki here, it would have nothing to do with the Libertarian party. It would be cannabisnews.com's wiki, and deal with cannabis-related topics. Hope that clears things up for you. Here's an encyclopedeia entry for Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki 
now available in print: Drug War Propaganda
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Comment #182 posted by FoM on February 14, 2005 at 17:04:45 PT
observer
Thank you for the idea. I'll think about it. I don't know what I would say about CNews except that we are mainstream and not associated with any political party. Also it's primary purpose is to get the laws changed concerning medical marijuana. We are linked under cannabis as a resource already. Since I think in the present only it will take some thought on my part but I will try.
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Comment #181 posted by observer on February 14, 2005 at 16:28:45 PT
FoM: re: book reviews
On CNews front page Ron made a section called BOOK REVIEWS. .. .Think about if you could do something with that section and let me know. ... That would be a big help if you decide you want to tackle doing it for us.Sorry to to answer back sooner. I'll be happy to look at that, FoM. I can put together something simple as we get reviews we want to put on cnews. Here's something else to think about.A Cannabisnews.com Wiki.I'd love to see cannabisnews add a Wiki. A wiki is an web encyclopedia where people may add encyclopedia entries (=html pages) from a browser. Usually, anyone is allowed to edit pages. This would let us collaborate on (encyclopedia-like) entries that could be a big help. Here's the Wikipedia: http://wikipedia.org/ Here's a topic specific Wiki: http://libertarianwiki.orgI'd like to see cannabisnews have a Wiki, a cannabis and drug prohibition -specific Wiki something like libertarianwiki.org . Unlike the usual wiki, I'd make the cnews wiki so that only registered users can add wiki entries. If you aren't familiar with a Wiki web site, or what a wiki is, please don't worry! Click on the links above. Let's just take our time and talk about the idea for a good long time, first. It might be a good idea for cnews, but maybe not. Something to think about, perhaps.
now in print: Drug War Propaganda
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Comment #180 posted by FoM on February 10, 2005 at 14:04:12 PT
McCartney Show Sparks Complaints to FCC
Excerpt from Article:Two other complaints submitted this year centred on a line from Get Back, the 1969 song that was among the four tunes sung by McCartney. The viewers were upset by the line "Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona/For some California Grass," taking it to be a reference to Marijuana. http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/02/10/Arts/fcc050210.html
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Comment #179 posted by Industrial Strength on February 10, 2005 at 01:13:34 PT
MDMA
Well, let me just say that I'm in no way uneducated when it comes this most wonderful of chemicals. The last three years of my short existence have been changed very much for the better thanks to MDMA's positive influence. It has allowed me to connect much closer with my family and to get over a very pronounced shyness. I have spent many an evening curled up with close friends hugging and touching and connecting on several levels. However, anyone who has spent any time at all in the rave scene and not been able to observe a certain hollow shallowness there must be wearing blinders. Please do not put words in my mouth and one should be careful when saying things such as "In this society we are and have been taught to bind ourselves up in ourselves. For boys and men it has been especially bad, as any kind of full-body hug off of the sports field would be viewed as a little "gay."" You know nothing of my sexuality. "I S ... next time try to go with the flow, and don't put your attitudes in other's minds."I was being whimsy and self depractory. Please don't respond with ad hominem attacks to comments you so willfully misinterpret.Respectfully, Industrial Strength.
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Comment #178 posted by FoM on February 09, 2005 at 18:46:25 PT
BGreen
I got up the nerve and installed the fixes. So far everything seems fine. Thanks for the help!
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Comment #177 posted by FoM on February 09, 2005 at 18:06:23 PT
This Link was In The Area Where It Says 9 Fixes
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms05-014.mspxI can press install and they will.
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Comment #176 posted by FoM on February 09, 2005 at 18:02:19 PT
BGreen
I just checked and it has nine to install. 
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Comment #175 posted by BGreen on February 09, 2005 at 17:54:21 PT
FoM
Place the cursor over the windows update icon and right click the mouse. See if that pulls up a menu with an option to download the fixes.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #174 posted by FoM on February 09, 2005 at 17:38:22 PT
Thanks BGreen and Afterburner
It is prompting me to buy it since I only have about 10 days left for free. I started to buy it and came up with three choices and didn't know which one to buy. They always make directions so complicated for someone like me. BGreen. I'm not sure what or how I should do what you said. I have Windows Update set to tell me files are ready to install and it sits in the bottom right hand corner on the screen. I don't allow it to automatically install fixes incase there could be a bug in the fixes. I must be paranoid! LOL!
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Comment #173 posted by afterburner on February 09, 2005 at 17:25:16 PT
FoM, Get Norton SystemWorks, Online without Manual
It's the cheapest and most useful way. The program has online manual in Help. Norton AntiVirus by itself is slightly less expensive but also less useful. Norton SystemWorks contains:Norton Utilities - good for retieving lost files, repairing file structure, even if you never need it.Norton AntiVirus with a year of LiveUpdate of virus definitions.Norton CleanSweep - Windows and Internet cleanup program for optimizing and reorganizing disk space.Norton Ghost - for backup and recovery (ghost of your disk's file structure and contents).WinFax - Fax software (you may already have it).and Extra Features.
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Comment #172 posted by BGreen on February 09, 2005 at 16:55:26 PT
FoM
Windows updates = YES! They are usually fixes for some security flaw so it's imperative that you keep those up to date.The Norton virus definitions can be downloaded at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.htmlTurn off the auto-update option under "preferences" or "options." I don't use the program so I don't know exactly what it's called.Download the first file on the page and click on it. It will update your definitions. You won't have any kind of customer support from Norton, though.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #171 posted by FoM on February 09, 2005 at 15:22:37 PT
A Technical Question
I have been trying to figure out if I should download the new Windows Fixes my computer says are ready to install. Do I need to buy Norton because my free 3 months is almost up. Over the years I've had more problems with virus programs so for the last few years I haven't used any ( except now ) and I haven't had problems. I don't mind buying it but is it worth it?
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Comment #170 posted by Hope on February 09, 2005 at 07:00:58 PT
Hooray for Jose!
Another good one! Way to go,Jose!
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Comment #169 posted by FoM on February 08, 2005 at 21:38:36 PT
Dankhank and Jose
Dankhank, I'll email you. I just made another copy. Can we copy the Michael Moore video of Rockin' In The Free World on to a DVD that would be able to play in our DVD player so it can be seen on the tv screen or only on a CD which I got to work.Jose good job! Please keep up the good work you are doing!
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Comment #168 posted by Dankhank on February 08, 2005 at 21:12:41 PT:
copy
FoMyes please ...E me, I lost your'nI"ll E an address ...peace ...
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Comment #167 posted by Jose melendez on February 08, 2005 at 21:07:42 PT
published today, and notified of another upcoming
Pubdate: Mon, 07 Feb 2005Source: Journal Times, The (Racine, WI)Copyright: 2005 The Journal TimesContact: opinion journaltimes.comWebsite: http://www.journaltimes.com/from: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n227/a01.html?397 Drug War FraudEven if it were true that today's marijuana is so much stronger than in the '60s that its use could be associated with schizophrenia, we can all thank prohibition laws, since such restraints of trade necessarily lead to higher demand for cannabis products that are smaller and easier to conceal.Of course, the rate of schizophrenia has remained at a steady one percent of the population. Interestingly enough, hashish has generally double the concentration of active ingredient as the strongest pot, and has been known for thousands of years.Drug war is a fraud supported by propaganda, and most people, apparently including Sturtevant letter writer Alan Friedrich ("Drugs Destroy Lives", http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n188/a05.html?4763 ), eventually get over the cannabis consumption lifestyle, or continue with far less medical complications than users of dangerous albeit legal alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals.Any questions?Jose Melendez, DeLand, Fla. 
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Comment #166 posted by FoM on February 08, 2005 at 10:10:14 PT
For All Those That Remember Those Great Days!
Beatles - When I'm 64 Lyrics When I get older, losing my hair, many years from now,Will you still be sending me a Valentine,birthday greetings,
bottle of wine?If I'd been out 'till quarter to three,would you lock the door?Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four?http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Beatles/When-I-m-64.html
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Comment #165 posted by FoM on February 08, 2005 at 09:48:10 PT
Hope
It's hard to believe knowing me but I'm not listening to Neil today so far I say so far! LOL!I'm listening to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and Abbey Road! 
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Comment #164 posted by FoM on February 08, 2005 at 09:41:28 PT
Hope
I'm not sure but maybe it is like the Rust List for Neil Young.http://www.mccartneyfaq.com/macca-faq2.htmlhttp://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/
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Comment #163 posted by Hope on February 08, 2005 at 09:27:44 PT
Question about Sir Paul.
Why do some of the UK publications refer to him as Macca?
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Comment #162 posted by FoM on February 08, 2005 at 08:45:56 PT
afterburner
The After Berlin one doesn't work. I just tried. 
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Comment #161 posted by FoM on February 08, 2005 at 08:33:34 PT
afterburner
Please send me your address again. I do have it but I'm not sure where I put it (STML LOL!). This is new and we did make mistakes like not knowing how to pause thru commercials. I dislike commercials so much. Have you ever heard After Berlin?
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Comment #160 posted by afterburner on February 08, 2005 at 00:58:49 PT
FoM, I'd Like a Copy of the Halftime DVD 
I had to work all evening and kept asking people what the score was. I'm not such a fan of football as I was in high school, but I think it's important for cannabis people to be on good terms with Joe Citizen. I especially wanted to see Paul McCartney's set. I think you have my address. If not, email me. 
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Comment #159 posted by FoM on February 07, 2005 at 21:38:17 PT
BGreen
It might seem small to you but to me it was a major hurdle. I have learned so much about computers and what a journey it has been. What would we do without the Internet? I hope everything is working out for you. Life can throw us curves and boy are they hard sometimes. CNews is more then a cannabis news site but a place to share problems if someone wishes too. We are a great community. No matter if we win or lose this war on a wonderful medicinal plant we have gained so much along the way. That's winning by my standards.
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Comment #158 posted by BGreen on February 07, 2005 at 21:32:38 PT
Hurray!
Glad to be able to help you out, FoM. It's still just a small return for everything you do for all of us.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #157 posted by FoM on February 07, 2005 at 20:42:35 PT
BGreen and Dankhank
Thank you BGreen. I downloaded the files I needed and made my first DVD! I feel like I accomplished something today! I didn't have to call Gateway either! Even though tech support is nice at Gateway I much prefer figuring something out myself and with your help I did.Dankhank I have a copy for you now if you still need one.
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Comment #156 posted by FoM on February 07, 2005 at 12:46:52 PT
Tommy Chong's NPR Radio Interview 
Tommy Chong: Free, and Back on the RoadBy Terry Gross Fresh Air from WHYY, February 7, 2005 Comedian Tommy Chong. As one half of the comedy duo Cheech and Chong, Tommy Chong made a career out of making jokes about being stoned. Along with Cheech Marin, Chong recorded six gold comedy albums and starred in seven films. He currently has a recurring role on FOX TV's That '70s Show. The role comes after Chong spent nine months in prison; he pleaded guilty to conspiring to sell drug paraphernalia. Chong's arrest was part of the U.S. Justice Department's Operation Pipe Dreams investigation of Internet distribution of drug paraphernalia like bongs and marijuana pipes. Chong says he pleaded guilty to protect his son, whose company was targeted. Chong is now on his first tour since leaving prison, performing in the play The Marijuana-Logues. An upcoming reunion will take place between Chong and his long-time partner Cheech Martin.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4488902
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Comment #155 posted by FoM on February 07, 2005 at 10:56:49 PT
About The Beatles
I always liked this.Found my coat and grabbed my hatMade the bus in seconds flatFound my way upstairs and had a smoke,Somebody spoke and I went into a dreamhttp://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/14325.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatles
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Comment #154 posted by Hope on February 07, 2005 at 10:44:57 PT
The Beatles
I got my first Beatles record...a 45...when I was about thirteen. On one side was "Let me hold your hand" and the other side was "She was just seventeen". I even used the record for some lip sincing school performances. The little kids...including my baby sis were first graders that I got into the act. It was an evening performance for the entire community. A talent show.The four of them, with toy guitars strumming and lip sincing were to enter from the back of the auditorium (as a surprise element of my skit) and they had practiced and practiced. When someone put on the record...they put the wrong side on. At first my little performers were stunned, then like the little troopers they were...they sailed into their act and no one but the insiders knew that they were performing to the wrong song. Now they are all in their late forties. I bet they get a kick out of remembering being the Beatles at such a young age.The 45 jacket had a picture of the Fab Four and their outrageous long hair...basically bowl cuts. It's funny now that we thought that was outrageously long hair...but it was for the times.Their music has been so much a part of our lives. Rock on, Sir Paul and Ringo! Was Ringo knighted?
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Comment #153 posted by Hope on February 07, 2005 at 10:21:20 PT
Afterburner
I think you're right. I'm not an expert but I'd think you just dropped whatever you wanted to grind in the mill. Once again...it's a small thing...but the writer should have gotten it right. I guess he was just thinking about "grinding" out the stuff they do. He did get his metaphors tangled up.The world is so full of tangles and messes...I hope we can get the cannabis part untangled. You know, it's occurred to me that politicians are afraid of the huge, dangerous, and intimidating monster they have created in law enforcement. A monster they are afraid to try to downsize. They are afraid to touch it.Remember a few years ago, I think it was in Arkansas, when a female politician was trying to get Medical Cannabis legalized and when she spoke hundreds of grave and threatening law enforcement officers were there to obviously intimidate her?The politicians are as afraid of law enforcement today as third world dictators are of military coups. They fed the beast to military size and power...now it controls them.
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Comment #152 posted by afterburner on February 07, 2005 at 09:12:47 PT
'Priming The Propaganda Mill' Has Me Curious
Mixed metaphors: shouldn't it be "Priming The Propaganda Pump"? Do mills need to be primed? I really don't know. Does anyone have hands-on experience with mills?Go, Paul, "The whole world is watching," or at least the whole nation. The Superbowl was the talk of the town yesterday in the Great White North (that's snow, not race)!
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Comment #151 posted by FoM on February 07, 2005 at 09:01:12 PT
California Grass
They just talked about Paul McCartney on CNN Headline News about California Grass in the Superbowl half time show and the censors didn't feel it was a problem. A Rolling Stone Magazine commentator said that back in the 60s California Grass wasn't the kind that you mowed!I love it!
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Comment #150 posted by BGreen on February 07, 2005 at 00:20:57 PT
Yes, Hope, I Know
I don't know what I'd do without her.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #149 posted by Hope on February 07, 2005 at 00:16:53 PT
Thanks, BGreen
I'm glad you've got support from Mrs. Green. That makes the hard times so much easier. It makes all the difference in the world. You're twice as strong when you have someone with you that you can count on.Obviously, you know that makes you a blessed man.
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Comment #148 posted by Hope on February 07, 2005 at 00:10:56 PT
BGreen
Hopefully, your old friend will help from the inside. As a musician and artist...you can probably even count on the down times to add a new edge to your work.
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Comment #147 posted by BGreen on February 07, 2005 at 00:06:56 PT
Thanks to you both
I've got great support from my wife. She's been with me since I was 17 and she's still my biggest fan.I know you'd like her because she's a sweet lady just like you two.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #146 posted by Hope on February 06, 2005 at 23:58:00 PT
BGreen
I, too, was thinking what FoM said, "...in the long run it could be better for you then it has been if problems hadn't surfaced and forced change."
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Comment #145 posted by Hope on February 06, 2005 at 23:55:54 PT
BGreen
I'm so sorry. That's rough and stressful, indeed. I know you're a believer so I won't hesitate to tell you that I'm praying along with you that things get better, gig wise and everything else wise...and soon.
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Comment #144 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 23:53:17 PT
BGreen
You've probably heard this before. When one door shuts another door opens. It's very true. It doesn't make it easier while we go thru tough times but in the long run it could be better for you then it has been if problems hadn't surfaced and forced change.
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Comment #143 posted by BGreen on February 06, 2005 at 23:47:29 PT
On top of everything else
A former bandmate got signed in the past couple of weeks to a major record deal with a world famous producer.We were pursuing the same dream together but the band broke up because of an idiot. We both joined other bands and he's having his dream come true and I'm back at square one.I love my friend and don't want to feel anything but happiness for him. The timing could have been a little better, though. :-)The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #142 posted by BGreen on February 06, 2005 at 23:38:58 PT
Thanks, Hope!
It's not really that bad in the whole scheme of things. I've just had some more bad luck with my career and I'm having to start over AGAIN! I've been in more bands than I care to count but they always break up because of one or two unprofessional members.Every time I'm in this state of transition I don't make much money. I've been a professional musician for 25 years and it just isn't the best part of the job to be without a band.I ALWAYS get a gig so everything's gonna be alright.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #141 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 23:36:58 PT
BGreen
Stress can cause all kinds of problems. It's hard to turn it off but we really must or I don't think we can see things clearly. Keeping the news off is a good thing. I listen to music almost all day and only glance at the tv and keep the sound muted.Self preservation mode is one I am in too.
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Comment #140 posted by Hope on February 06, 2005 at 23:29:20 PT
BGreen
Hope things get better for you and your family real soon. Hang in there.
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Comment #139 posted by BGreen on February 06, 2005 at 23:25:13 PT
This has been personal stress
I don't even watch much TV news or anything these days. I can't fight the evil that controls us so I'm just in a self-preservation mode.Mrs. Green and I are in a period of a lot of change in our lives and it's just been a little rough.The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #138 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 23:17:48 PT
BGreen
Thank you for the link. It looks like I need to download six files. I'll try it tomorrow when I'm not tired and can test it. 
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Comment #137 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 23:13:40 PT
BGreen
It's good to see you. I hope the stress is tolerable that you are having. These last few weeks have been very hard for me too. I don't like seeing all that is happening in the world because of this administration. 
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Comment #136 posted by BGreen on February 06, 2005 at 23:10:25 PT
FoM
Check out this web page and see if it doesn't solve your problem with Nero.Nero is a great program so I hope you get this matter resolved.By the way, Hi! How are you? I've had a very stressful couple of weeks and haven't written. I'm always lurking so be careful what you all say about me. :-)The Reverend Bud Green
Windows XP SP 2 - Compatibility problem
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Comment #135 posted by Hope on February 06, 2005 at 22:42:31 PT
Get Back!
I love it.Thank you, Sir Paul!
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Comment #134 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 22:37:54 PT
Dankhank
It does but I don't know if it is compatible with this new computer. I'm not sure I'm using the right program. Nero says there is a compatibilty problem between the program and my operating system. I need to call Gateway and find out which program to use. 
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Comment #133 posted by Dankhank on February 06, 2005 at 22:32:02 PT
register
tried to register, said they had their limit of 100000 subscribers, and to try again later ...FoM, your burner software should have a disc copy choice ...
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Comment #132 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 22:27:54 PT
Review On Paul MCartney's Performance
Sir Paul Serves It Up Free of MalfunctionsBy Sarah RodmanMonday, February 7, 2005Thanks to Sir Paul McCartney people just might remember the New England Patriots' splendid three-point win over the Philadelphia Eagles this year. 
   After the boob seen round the world in 2004 the former Beatle restored some decorum to the Super Bowl halftime show with a taut four-song blast of classic rock that proved good clean fun for the whole family. 
   The only thing the culture vultures could possibly quibble with were the oblique references to marijuana and transvestites in the Fab Four classic ``Get Back.'' 
   McCartney, still the cute Beatle at 61, kicked off the 15-minute performance with a crackling version of ``Drive My Car,'' followed by the rollicking ``Get Back.'' 
   A suitably energized mob of fans of all ages crowded around the dazzling stage set which was made up in part by giant video screens beaming out images of the band and psychedelic light displays. 
   The centerpiece of the mini-concert by McCartney and his crack band - including hard-hitting Berklee grad Abe Laboriel Jr. on drums and backing vocals - was a scintillating run through the stadium-made Wings anthem ``Live and Let Die.''Booming fireworks and an eye-popping light show both above and on the stage accompanied the crashing cymbals and guitar riffs. 
   McCartney then led Alltel Stadium - and probably a few tipsy viewers in their living rooms - in a hearty singalong of his ballad ``Hey Jude.'' The fans packed around the stage waved lightsticks and the crowd in the stands held placards aloft that read ``na, na, na, na, na, na, na'' in red, white and blue. 
   Corny? Maybe. Edgy? Definitely not. But every once in a while it's just nice to be reminded of one of the best bands in rock and roll history. And McCartney, sounding pitch perfect after all these years and apparently in equally good spirits, did his legacy proud. 
   Plus, the show mercifully involved neither his unfortunate song ``Freedom'' nor any exposed flesh. And this year, that's what we call a win-win. 
 Copyright by the Boston Herald  http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/view.bg?articleid=67232 
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Comment #131 posted by afterburner on February 06, 2005 at 22:24:45 PT
I Tried to Download Paul McCartney's Set...
but it asked for a password. Do you know if it costs anything to register and get a login name?
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Comment #130 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 21:16:36 PT
Just a Note
If anyone knows how to download this way Paul McCartney's performance at the Superbowl is already available. Here's the link.http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/118041
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Comment #129 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 19:16:50 PT
Dankhank
The Patriots won. Go Mass or New England whichever is right. The score 24 to 21. Over and out on sports broadcasting! LOL!
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Comment #128 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 18:59:21 PT
Well Duh
The Patriots are from New England. I guess I really don't know anything about football. LOL!
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Comment #127 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 18:50:42 PT
Dankhank
Send me your address and I'll send the half time show your way. It was fantastic. What a beautiful light show. I still don't know how to make a copy on the computer. I need to study a little and if that doesn't work I'll call Gateway and they should be able to walk me thru it ok.
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Comment #126 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 18:46:30 PT
Dankhank
The Patriots are leading 24 to 14. I don't watch it either but I want to be able to say Yeah Mass just for fun.
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Comment #125 posted by Dankhank on February 06, 2005 at 18:43:10 PT
on still?
is it on still, who won?pssssst!really don't care ...
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Comment #124 posted by Dankhank on February 06, 2005 at 18:42:03 PT
stuporbowl
I quit watching many years ago, missed the wardrobe malfunction and all other neat things.I had considered watching the halftime show, but lacked the will to check for when exactly it would happen, and so missed all again.Plus, I get no local channels in my area and failed to see if DTV had another channel running it. I suspect not, again did not bother to check.If it really was good, and someone got a copy of it mayhap they would share.I have a DIVX copy on CD of F9/11 or the movie Grass or QT Montel Williams show ... gosh, I have a gaggle of stuff to offer to barter ...
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Comment #123 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 17:35:47 PT

Thank You Sir Paul!
What a show!Jojo was a man who thought he was a lonerBut he knew it wouldn’t last.Jojo left his home in Tucson, ArizonaFor some California Grass.
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Comment #122 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 17:01:55 PT

Dankhank
Thank you. It worked and resizing it helped. I'm going to try to copy this to a DVD. This will be a first for me so I might not try it tonight. 
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Comment #121 posted by Dankhank on February 06, 2005 at 16:05:30 PT

blurry
has to do with how it was encoded ...you can get a decent size by expanding the window to maybe half-size. do that like you would size any window
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Comment #120 posted by dankhank on February 06, 2005 at 16:03:33 PT

save as
It doesn't work every time for every one you may try, but, if you right click on the link that starts the video you should see a menu that has a few choices, click on the "save link as" or "save target as" ...and away you go .,..enjoy
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Comment #119 posted by FoM on February 06, 2005 at 15:28:07 PT

Dankhank
I'm glad you liked it too. How do you download the video? It is small to view but when I enlarge the screen it is blurry. I'm not good at video things. It's all new to me. If you don't have time to explain that's ok. We are going to put half time on a DVD. At least we're going to try.
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Comment #118 posted by Dankhank on February 06, 2005 at 15:12:22 PT

Mr Moore
great video, I downloaded it immediately...Will share it with many ...
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Comment #117 posted by FoM on February 05, 2005 at 22:14:45 PT

afterburner
I listen to it a lot too. This video that Michael Moore put together out of the movie with Neil singing is really great. Neil then bombs and all kinds of shots from the movie.
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Comment #116 posted by afterburner on February 05, 2005 at 22:06:23 PT

FoM, Thanks for the Michael Moore Link
After 9/11, I used to play "Rockin' in the Free World" at least twice a day, because it meant survival of true democracy and freedom in a world of terrorist bigotry. I just heard it tonight on my way home from work and cranked it up as usual. But now, it means survival of true democracy and freedom in a world of government bigotry.
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Comment #115 posted by FoM on February 05, 2005 at 21:44:42 PT

afterburner and Anyone Interested
I just checked out Michael Moore's web site and found a 3 minute video of Neil Young playing Rockin' in the Free World that Michael Moore did. It's really good. Here's the link.http://www.michaelmoore.com/takeaction/todo.php
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Comment #114 posted by FoM on February 05, 2005 at 14:46:04 PT

Dankhank 
You sound like you are on a mission. Missions are good things. Missions make an impact. I was raised in a strict home where please and thank you were important. Respect for elders was upmost. If I would have ever talked down to an adult I don't know what would have happened to me. My parents wouldn't have hurt me or threatened me but I would have gotten a look that could kill if you know what I mean. Good luck in what you are doing and share when you are ready to.
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Comment #113 posted by Dankhank on February 05, 2005 at 14:22:13 PT

My view ...
FoM, thanks for the Kudus ....I love all the kids ...I believe in respect, and tough love ...I sub regularly in the local junior and senior high schools and delight in talking to the kids.At the same time I am a stern taskmaster and demand that there is liberal use of the words and phrases: Please, May I, Thank You, You're welcome ... I am on a hair-trigger to educate off-topic if the need exists. Last thursday I heard a girl call a boy "Anorexic." He had no clue what that meant, so I kicked into gear.I told the class about a very popular singer who still felt less than ideal, who starved herself to death, because the mass of Media told her that she wouldn't be a success until she was thin and that when THAT switch in her brain opened it didn't shut again and even when she was thin and bony she still saw herself in the mirror as needing to lose some more weight.I told of the island of Bali, where there was never any problem with Anorexia or Bulemia...that a few years ago a sattlelite receiver was installed so the islanders could jump into the twentieth with Sat TV. Within SIX MONTHS the first cases of Anorexia and Bulemia were diagnosed, and the rest is, as we say, history.The talk then went to "Trans Fats" and two boys were amazed to learn that peanut butter with oil sitting in the top of the jar was not, as they thought, the cheap stuff, but was in fact the pure stuff, free of Trans Fats. I know I talk too much, but can't stop, there is so much to share that most don't know that sometimes I feel like I will burst.I will finally have my 30 minutes with the local Newspaper this Thursday, to counter 90 years of Government Lies.wish me luck ...I hav also started a blog that I will share soon ... I have to write a couple more entries, before I will let strangers see it, much less my friends in here ...so for the guy who can't shut up ...later, and thanks again 
shout it to the World ...
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Comment #112 posted by FoM on February 05, 2005 at 10:18:02 PT

Dankhank
I really like the way you say things. 
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Comment #111 posted by Dankhank on February 05, 2005 at 08:17:12 PT

Empty?
Empty drug-induced hugs?Not aware of the reaserch done as to the medical use of MDMA?In this society we are and have been taught to bind ourselves up in ourselves. For boys and men it has been especially bad, as any kind of full-body hug off of the sports field would be viewed as a little "gay."MDMA unlocks the emotions and allows humans to really 'feel." the literature is quite clear on that.Humans that don't hug are missing an important way of being part of the herd.A shame that some can't even let go when "loosened" by E.If you feel that the hugs were "empty and drug-induced" I am sorry for YOU. Do not be so quick to say that the huggers you met believed the same.I S ... next time try to go with the flow, and don't put your attitudes in other's minds.Peace to all from an unrepentant hippie.Peace to all, and I will hug everyone of you, drugged or not.
A mental hug to all
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Comment #110 posted by FoM on February 04, 2005 at 11:23:56 PT

Industrial Strength 
At 140bpm I'd explode! Poof! I'd be in the great beyond sooner then I wanted! LOL!
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Comment #109 posted by FoM on February 04, 2005 at 08:48:03 PT

JustGetnBy
http://12.16.21.232/Music/25YrVol1/OldHippie.rm
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Comment #108 posted by FoM on February 04, 2005 at 08:29:59 PT

JustGetnBy Good Song!
He's an old hippie and he don't know what to doShould he hang on to the old Should he grab on to the new He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust He ain't trying to change nobody He's just trying real hard to adjust. http://www.countrygoldusa.com/old_hippie.asp
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Comment #107 posted by Industrial Strength on February 04, 2005 at 00:15:57 PT

Hugging
Hugging is one thing I find my generation does quite well... ever been to rave? Nothing but hugs and "I love you!". Empty, drug induced hugs but it's nice none the less. The rave scene is really quite a spectacle. We're hippies at 140bpm. Well, not quite, but it's a wonderful counter culture regardless. PLUR and all that nonsense.
Flower Children to Kandy Kids, we're all in this together.
Ciao.
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Comment #106 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 11:58:25 PT

I'll Do That
Right now I'm listening to Field of Opportunity! I'll stick with Neil and leave my memories as they are with how I remember it so well. I've been wrong beforeAnd I'll be there againI just don't have any answers my friendJust this pile of old questionsMy memory left me hereIn the field of opportunityIt's plowin' time again.http://www.lyrics.jp/lyrics/N001500020060.asp
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Comment #105 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:53:15 PT

Mixing with Neal
Nah...Enjoy Neal...just wait until you're ready for bed, tonight and let it lull you to sleep.Thanks again.
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Comment #104 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:51:11 PT

Rock a baby
I can rock a baby or child to sleep in no time with that song. My children say it's like knock out drops or something for them. It is gentle and almost hypnotic in it's rythyms. A rocking chair moves well to it, too.A good child care song...and one of the few songs I know all the words to.I was a bit of a dictator as president of our church youth group...I had every meeting ended with that song. People still remember that.
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Comment #103 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 11:49:34 PT

Hope
You're welcome. I guess I should turn my speakers up on the computer and listen first but I have my CDs playing and the tv muted. I like the way I remember it sung by that dear old lady in church. She was a saint to us.
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Comment #102 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:38:09 PT

Thank you so much, FoM
He doesn't sing much better than I do! But it's beautiful and it touches my heart.Thank you. Comfort and sweetness just flows through me because of my history with the song.Thank you. It's beautiful.I have to listen to it awhile.
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Comment #101 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 11:32:10 PT

Just a Note
I don't like the music but the page is pretty. I'm listening to Neil Young singing Comes a Time and they don't sound right together. LOL!
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Comment #100 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 11:29:28 PT

This is For You Hope
I thought you might want to share this with some of your family.http://www.alighthouse.com/garden2.htm
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Comment #99 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 11:19:06 PT

Hope
Even a plant responds to humans. A plant that sits on a kitchen windowsill will live but it's the fussing that will make it thrive. We are no different then plants. We need certain things to be content and productive and to grow.
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Comment #98 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:16:52 PT

Love Light
I think we've "let it shine" more than any generation was ever able to before us.
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Comment #97 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:14:46 PT

"Being more open about heart felt issues."
One of the really good things that came from our generation...hugging and being able to say, "I love you." to anyone we felt we should say it to...or hug. That is a freedom that society really did not have before.We started it and it's good.We really helped free mankind in that respect.
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Comment #96 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:10:50 PT

How Great Thou Art
That music is so inspiring. So beautiful.http://inspirationsfortoday.com/pinetrees.htmlMan, I would love to be able to play the piano and play music like that.
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Comment #95 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 11:10:25 PT

About Our Space in Time
I'm proud of all of us. I am proud for all the great things that happened because of our era. The war ended. The way we learned to look at others that were different and understand where they were coming from. Being more open about heart felt issues. So many good things happened and that is something we should always be proud of. Not to mention the best music ever made is from our space in time.
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Comment #94 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:08:05 PT

Out of tune
That makes me laugh. I can't sing right either and one of my granddaughters is gifted with singing ability...but she sings "In the Garden" EXACTLY wrong...like I did when I sang to her, right down to the worst inflections my lack of singing ability place in the song. The first time she heard it sang right she didn't recognize it!It was love though...and love conquers all, as I'm sure was the case with your congregation member being asked to sing the song.A childhood friend of mine was a gifted pianist and she made me love the music and the song.
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Comment #93 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 11:02:40 PT

funeral industry
It's alarming...and expensive.A funny remembrance of a funeral wish that didn't happen. My dad always said he wanted the special effect of the hearse speeding...literally speeding (he was a fast and speedy kind of guy) to the cemetary from the church. Alas...he didn't get his wish. One of his grandsons is a state trooper and received permission to lead the procession in his squad car with all the lights on...slowly and safely. I chuckled with his spirit over that one.
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Comment #92 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 10:57:48 PT

One More Thing
In the Garden is a favorite song of mine too. We had a dear lady in Church back when we went to Church and she was was almost 80 and she would be asked to come up to the front of the church and sing it for us. Everyone just loved her. Out of tune and all.
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Comment #91 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 10:56:54 PT

funerals
My sister has made me promise her that I won't let them do a funeral for her, and just spread her ashes...if I'm still alive.It worries me...because funerals are for the one's who are left. If she died before my mother or brothers...I would have a heck of a time keeping that promise. So she has to stay alive.
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Comment #90 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 10:54:14 PT

PS Hope
Since everyone knows I love Neil Young's music I said that is what I would want to hear but really I don't want a funeral. I hate to waste money! LOL!
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Comment #89 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 10:52:28 PT

Led Zepplin
My sis was a real hippie... but she didn't have children to tend to so I was sort of a home bound one, I guess.My children say they still feel the comfort they felt tucked into their beds at night listening to the sounds of Led Zepplin being played as loud as was good. It didn't disturb them and to this day...they still say they feel safe, happy, and secure in parental love when they hear Zepplin music. That's so funny to me. They didn't tell me this until they were grown. When they little they just said it didn't bother them and actually helped them to sleep soundly.They also say they get sleepy when they hear "In the Garden".My six year old grandson is a Zepplin fan.*smile*

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Comment #88 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 10:49:43 PT

Spirit in the Sky
That is another song I haven't heard for a long time but just loved. I think planning our funerals is a good thing. There won't be a funeral for me. I don't want one. Just spread my ashes on our land! Cheap and simple. No tears for me either. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust!
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Comment #87 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 10:45:51 PT

FoM
*smile*...planning your funeral?"Hippies" are the only younger people I have ever known to "plan" their funerals. Most of them...me, too...I guess...want "Spirit in the Sky" played at their funeral. Except one, I know, wanted "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" played and one bouquet of gardenias to be the only flowers.I know more what I don't want played at my funeral. I don't want any sad songs or tear jerkers played at all. I've always sung "In the Garden" as a lullaby to all my babies...and "all my babies" are any baby or child that I've tried to comfort or bless with that song. It would be a retched thing for everyone to have that song played at my funeral and I have requested that it NOT be done. As well as "Precious Memories". I've seen that song break people down.I'm really enjoying the rendition of "How Great Thou Art" played at http://inspirationsfortoday.com/pinetrees.html today. I've been letting it play on the loop. It's beautiful.

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Comment #86 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 10:42:22 PT

Hope
You mentioned Led Zepplin. If I listened to Stairway to Heaven once I listened to it a million times it seems. Each time I would shut my eyes and think this time I will understand it! Not! LOL!
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Comment #85 posted by Hope on February 03, 2005 at 10:36:18 PT

Old Hippies
I was surprised the first time it was applied to me, too. I always loved the Hippie style. One of my favorite outfits in those days was old sailor bell bottoms, a black and silver lurex long sleeved top under an old green military shirt or an old khaki one, with name labels still on the military issue shirts (as I remember one of them was labeled "Ricky Williams") and of course funky sandal clogs and kangaroo socks. I never got a pea jacket though...although I admired them.We went dancing a lot and I had one pair of bell bottoms that were more than a yard around the hem of each pant leg. They were glorious for dancing...swirly bells! I had some wonderful “hip hugger” bell bottoms. Some were decorated with patches and rhinestones. I kept some and my grand daughters try them regularly to see when they will fit them. They have loved to strap on a couple pair of old clogs I had from those days...including the pair that I accidentally crushed the head of a copper head snake with.It’s kind of silly, but in my mind, I think you had to be able to hitch-hike to qualify as one of the real ones. I tried but was just too “sensible” to do it. I was thoroughly afraid to do it…even though I tried…but when the door opened…I changed my mind. My baby sis was a real hippy…she hitch hiked all over the continent...and like they say on “That Seventies Show”…today…”We’re all all right!” Who’d a thunk it. We were supposed to die with every sort of jumbled chromosome known to man.I think the “old hippie” moniker must have come from my choice of music...health food obsession...clothes and I don't recall turning down too many tokes. For men, I’m sure long hair or a pony tail makes them instantly qualified as an “old hippie”…and also of course…anyone over thirty would be an “old” hippie.Ahhh...Led Zepplin...and a joint shared among friends. Those were beautiful days.Thinking of those days...and violence and alcohol and non-violence and pot...the most "violent" thing I ever knew anyone to do under the influence of pot was to shed a few heart felt tears. And believe me...with all the honky tonk years thrown in...I've seen plenty of violence nurtured by the hooch.As I remember the times I’ve been referred to as “an old hippie”…I think it was used as a reference that I was a trustworthy person and if anyone happened to be carrying…I was submitted to be trustworthy to share a few hits with whoever might be willing to do so.One "insult" I received...inadvertently from a young woman. She asked "Why do all old hippie women always just wear their long hair in a braid down their back?" She thought it was just awful not to be curled, coiffed and sprayed.

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Comment #84 posted by FoM on February 03, 2005 at 08:07:40 PT

JustGetnBy
Isn't it something how we get labeled by an organization or other age groups. I've been planning my funeral now so the ones that want us gone can win the war and finally get Cannabis legalized. I decided I want to have Neil Young's music played at my funeral and it will make me smile from the great beyond. One thing I know is my father always told me to make sure I do it my way and I have and that makes me happy.
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Comment #83 posted by JustGetnBy on February 03, 2005 at 07:59:49 PT

Old Hippy
 I'm 64 and my local nickname is The "Old Hippy"
This started after I grew a pony tail. It kinda surprised me the first time I was called that, but upon brief introspection, I guess thats what I am.
I was of the proper age, in the right places, at the proper time to have seen it all. I however carried the kings sword in my youth, therefore was on the ugly side of the line. I don't quite know exactley how I got to be the Old Hippy,it's been an interesting trip, and I'm kinda liken how I turned out. Heck, my Mom even likes me better now, she's 84 years young.
              PeacePS Have you ever heard the song "Old Hippy" by the Allman Bros, Way cool.
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Comment #82 posted by Patrick on February 03, 2005 at 07:36:21 PT

Tommy Chong on Dennis Miller
Tommy was on Dennis Miller last night. I don't know if they rerun his show but it was very interesting. Tommy was in great spirits commenting on his 9 month stay, new projects www.potshow.com, and his inability to vote this time around as a convicted felon.
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 19:10:08 PT

MSNBC State of The Union Poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 19:03:33 PT

Just For The Time Stamp
The speech is over now.
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Comment #79 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 18:53:30 PT

The Speech Isn't Over Yet
Democrats on Attack Immediately After Address Wednesday, February 02, 2005 WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats hit President Bush on Wednesday for his Iraq policies and planned Social Security overhaul, hoping a vigorous response to his State of the Union speech will fuel a turnabout from their election setbacks last fall. The prime-time address offered center stage to the president. Democrats, though, were hoping their response would cast them as a moderate but energetic alternative to Bush and the Republicans who control Congress.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146213,00.html
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 17:14:53 PT

Off Topic: This isn't Good
Tonight we hear Bush speak and this part of a New York Times article concerns me. Social Security Issue:It was also understood that Mr. Bush would re-emphasize that his plans would not affect workers age 55 and older.
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Comment #77 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 14:12:25 PT

afterburner
This year it is in Winnipeg. Neil said in an interview I read a while back that when it is in Winnipeg he will come. Well it is this year so he will be going. If he tours seeing him would be a high priority for me too. He's not far from 60 and how many more tours can he do? Most people who have followed his career go to everyone they can. A person I've met flew in from Germany last year to see Greendale. http://junoawards.ca/05_HOS_city.php
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Comment #76 posted by afterburner on February 02, 2005 at 13:59:01 PT

Farm Out, FoM
Farm Out! Go Neil, Willie, TTC and Toronto Hydro!I just added "See Neil Young in concert" to my 2005 Goals list, for the third year running. If the Junos are in Toronto, maybe I can make it this year.
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Comment #75 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 13:29:00 PT

afterburner
I just found this on Neil Young's web site. He's going to the JUNO Awards this year too. No tour dates yet though.http://www.goearth.org/
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Comment #74 posted by afterburner on February 02, 2005 at 12:59:40 PT

kap#68, The Roots of Our Economic Instability Link
Bretton Woods system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_systemThe rise and fall of temporary stability and its cause and effect on US policy before, during and after.This stuff is so deep, I had to take a nap half-way through it.
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Comment #73 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 12:05:22 PT

observer
On CNews front page Ron made a section called BOOK REVIEWS.It was never developed. There are good books written by activists that we might know at least in cyberspace. I don't want any books that promote illegal activity but books that explain the stories from different points of view would be great. Think about if you could do something with that section and let me know. The one thing that would matter to me that no ones book would be left out by accident. Just an idea. Maybe someone would try to put good labor of love books in some order. That would be a big help if you decide you want to tackle doing it for us.
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Comment #72 posted by kaptinemo on February 02, 2005 at 11:57:35 PT:

I just ordered my copy of Observer's book
If you want a precison dissection of the lies and obfuscation techniques that are being used against us, this is the book to have. Every activist, especially those in the limelight and having to confront the antis on a daily basis in the public arena, ought to have this one handy. Think of it as ammunition; you can never have enough.
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 11:57:30 PT

observer
You're welcome. Labors of love are the ones that really matter.
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Comment #70 posted by observer on February 02, 2005 at 11:53:25 PT

new Drug War Propaganda book
Thanks, FoM! It has been a real labour of love since I started on it in 2001.Drug War Propaganda
http://www.cafepress.com/drugpropaganda2

http://www.cafepress.com/drugpropaganda2
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 11:48:03 PT

kaptinemo
The cycles that goes thru generations is about to turn once again. Hippies were mostly pampered children and they didn't know how to think or act. It was almost like is that all there is. This young generation is much like mine was. Pampered, loved and they will start saying is that all there is. A revolution is getting ready to be born once again. I feel that deep in my heart.
My First Web Page I Made in 97
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Comment #68 posted by kaptinemo on February 02, 2005 at 11:37:49 PT:

I hope no one gets the wrong idea
(Max, I live in Northern Virginia, not more than 15 miles from what I consider as being Beast HQs) I am most certainly not against hippies.IMHO, a tragic mistake, an error of horrendous proportions happened at the end of the 1960's and beginning of the 1970's. Part of that was economically driven (Hell, a lot of it was) and it resulted in the way society turned into the ultra-mercantilist one we live in today. One that has practically no freedoms worth mentioning, due to at-will negation of them courtesy of government. I said I was an observer of the ebb and flow of culture; we're residing in a long protracted ebbing of it. Immediately after US involvement in the Viet Nam War ended, the economy went into a nose dive that didn't 'improve' until Ronnie Raygun's military buildup based on lies about Soviet military capability. When that happened, people were more interested in just surviving instead of high minded causes. If you follow history, it seems the same kind of thing happens again and again; a rise in consciousness on the part of the population in 'good times', and then back down to grubbing and scratching in the bad ones. Right after WW1, an interest in metaphysics and socially progressive issues until the Great Depression. After WW2, hope for a better world scotched by the fear and repression of McCarthyism and the Cold War. During and after Viet Nam, we had "The Age of Aquarius"...until the bottom fell out and it was scraping barrel bottom times again. During the 1980's we had the supposed 'New Age'...which petered out during the recession of the early 1990's. But of all these it was that period of the 1960's that came closest to realizing certain principles and incorporating them into practice. I was never a fan of the movie "The Big Lebowski", but one of the characters in it summed up the entire pattern when he gleefully states that "The bums (hippies, social activists, etc.) lost!". The forces that 'won'? We see their handiwork around the world, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know whose company I prefer... 
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 11:14:14 PT

observer
Congratulations!!!
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Comment #66 posted by observer on February 02, 2005 at 11:07:52 PT

book now available: Drug War Propaganda
Printed book now available... Hot off the press.Drug War Propaganda, (C)2003, Doug Snead.http://www.cafepress.com/drugpropaganda2 
(5x8" perfect bound)http://www.cafepress.com/drugpropaganda 
(8.5x11" ring bound) 
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 10:56:36 PT

For Us Old Hippies
The Byrds - Wasn't Born To Follow Oh I'd rather go and journey where the diamond crest is flowing and
Run across the valley beneath the sacred mountain and
Wander through the forest 
Where the trees have leaves of prisms and break the light in colors
That no one knows the names of And when it's time I'll go and wait beside a legendary fountain
Till I see your form reflected in it's clear and jewelled waters
And if you think I'm ready
You may lead me to the chasm where the rivers of our vision
Flow into one another I will want to die beneath the white cascading waters
She may beg, she may plead, she may argue with her logic
And then she'll know the things I learned
That really have no value in the end she will surely know
I wasn't born to followhttp://www.lyricsondemand.com/soundtracks/e/easyriderlyrics/wasntborntofollowlyrics.html
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 10:12:42 PT

kaptinemo
I just want to say something to you. From us old fading away hippies!We still love ya man!
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Comment #63 posted by goneposthole on February 02, 2005 at 10:02:24 PT

Canada expected to unregulate cannabis this summer
http://urbansurvival.com/week.htmscroll down to the Ethiopa story.
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 09:59:38 PT

afterburner
You are so right. Adam and Eve were more then likely black. 
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 09:47:27 PT

Just Something Cool
We are mentioned in the encyclopedia too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#Miscellaneous
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Comment #60 posted by afterburner on February 02, 2005 at 09:21:03 PT

RE Comment #51 posted by Max Flowers 
"Peaceful greetings in the name of His Imperial Majesty, Haile Selassie!"All human beings are, in fact, of African descent. All you have to do is trace the lineage far enough back. Jah created human life in the form of Adam and Eve in the location of the Garden of Eden in Mother Africa. From that holy beginning, all life sprang forth. Some children migrated to cold climates and lost their melanin. Some children remained in hot climates and retained their melanin. But all are bredren and sistren, even when the family vibes are in disharmony."If we are to ostracize Caucasians from the livity of Rastafari, which half of Brother Bob would have to go? Remember, his earthly father was Caucasian. Jah cares not for our skin colour, our hairstyle, our income level, our place of birth, or our preference in music. He cares about how we love all His children; even those of His children who are difficult to love. The road to righteousness is rocky, steep, narrow and filled with worldly obstacles. Where is it written that it is also reserved for those of us Jah-blessed with melanin? If a Caucasian can scrape the scales of self-perceived superiority from their eyes and look at life with raw honesty, they, too, can grow in truth and love. Jah bless and guide each of us."-Roots CornerResponses to the Question of the Month http://www.jahworks.org/special/question/answers2.html****JAMMING IN JAH PAN
(from Tokyo Time Out)
by Blake More http://www.snakelyone.com/jahpan.htm*****Or as Bob Marley said, something to the effect that: Some have dreadlocks on their heads but not on their hearts.

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Comment #59 posted by Hope on February 02, 2005 at 09:18:59 PT

this generation
I think the favorite expression these days among, at least, the young boys, is "Sweet". Which I think translates to "Cool".
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on February 02, 2005 at 09:15:36 PT

lol
My children and grandchildren naturally say it, too. From their infancy, I couldn't help it, for instance, showing them leaves. I would say "Leaves"...succinctly and drawn out. "Leaves". "Tree". "Pretty." "Cool!"So I'm relatively safe from dinosaur linguistics for awhile.Maybe.Just remembered. No, I'm not. My granddaughter hates it when I use the word, "yonder". As in, "Over yonder." She flicks when I use the term and tries to forbid it.
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 09:07:28 PT

Hope
About the word COOL!You made me smile. I was teaching children how to ride as you know I did and something really great happened one day and I shouted out 'That Is So Cool!' They looked and me and said WHAT and laughed. What do you mean Cool? I explained it to them and from then on they used the word Cool too as an expression!
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on February 02, 2005 at 09:01:46 PT

Max
That is so cool!Thanks(I probably should stop saying "cool"...I do in my vocal world, too. It probably dates me.Nah...it's too natural to me.)
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Comment #55 posted by Hope on February 02, 2005 at 08:56:10 PT

my thoughts on generations
A generation is composed of all different kinds of people. If they were born at a similar time doesn't make them all of a kind. Every generation has it's geniuses, it's idiots, it's cruel mean people, it's gentle bright people, it's cowards and it's heroes. To me we are "The Children of Peace". I've told you all before how I arrived at that name. Every generation has it's smiles, it's fashions, it's surprises, it's philosophies, it's uniqueness. That's the way it should be and each generation has to pull away from the older generation somewhat, or a lot (some call it rebellion) to grow...to be better. I firmly believe that in any generation, the parents should make every effort to make sure that in most, if not all, and at least some areas, their offspring exceed themselves in growth and solid accomplishment. Otherwise, we're going nowhere...not advancing.The bulk of society fears change, I believe. There can't be growth without change. My diehard republican friend and I were talking the other day and our conversation came to societal change. There are many, and I believe he is among them, that have a distorted remembrance of the fifties...perhaps their childhood. They want everything to grind to a halt...by recreating a time they found pleasant...or at least remember that way. The past is where most people look through those rose colored lenses.I said something to him like, "There have to be changes in society."He stuck his chin out defiantly and nearly shouted, "Why?"I said, "Society has to change to grow... to advance, to get better."And with that political belligerence, so common these days, he demanded again, "Why?"Every reply was met with another "Why?". I finally just smiled and walked away from the conversation.All in all, I think a generation is what it accomplishes to make the earth and society a better place. Of course, we have great people and good things about us, but, generation wide...I'm not too thrilled with "our" performance, so far.We could be the computer generation...the most highly communicative generation in the history of the world.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 08:46:17 PT

Max Flowers 
Thank you! That was so very sweet!
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Comment #53 posted by Max Flowers on February 02, 2005 at 08:42:03 PT

FoM
SMILE :-)(bows deeply) Always at your service, my queen... 
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 08:39:08 PT

Max Flowers 
Applause! Applause! Applause! and a Bravo too!
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Comment #51 posted by Max Flowers on February 02, 2005 at 08:34:15 PT

kaptinemo
- Which, needless to say, are a distinct minority. Like I said, you rarely see a real live honest-to-God hippie anymore. - Wow, maybe where you live.... you are in the wrong part of the country I guess (where are you again, I forget...the midwest?). Come out to California, or Washington, or Oregon... there's lots and lots of us. I've even seen 'em in Reno!Another factor that makes it appear that there are not so many of us is that not all of us choose to make it so obvious by wearing "stereotypically hippie" clothes. True hippie-ness is much more about what's in your heart than the clothes you wear and how long your hair is. In fact, complicating things a bit is the fact that there are also a ton of "fake hippies" (for lack of a better term), kids who dress the part and sort of act the part as a fashion/cultural trend, but really don't have the true values of a good hippie.
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 08:24:25 PT

goneposthole
I really know what you mean.
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Comment #49 posted by goneposthole on February 02, 2005 at 08:15:19 PT

hoodwinked nation
duped souls.I, too, often wonder about what has happened to America.Women in the work force, although, they always have been there, has restricted the development of the nation's children. Infants and young children have headed off to daycare for their daily brainwashing for years now. I wonder how long all of this military planning has been going on with these incessant wars all over the planet? If you go to undermars.com, you can witness a telling picture testimony of how callous and cold-blooded American soldiers have become while conducting their killing spree in Iraq.The plan looks like it is working, but the chickens have yet to come home to roost. Darker days ahead, I'm afraid.I'll keep my fingers crossed. 
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on February 02, 2005 at 07:52:53 PT

Thanks Everyone
I really appreciate talking about this subject. No generation should ever be shunned or wished away. Every generation will leave something special when history records it's time. My generation had so much turmoil because of the Vietnam War and then the Hippies were born and changed the youth of that time. When young people like Bob Dylan started doing music they just were thinking of a better world to live in then the one we had. I'm glad I am part of generation of religious rebellion, questioning the system and finding peace with each other in ways that shocked older people. If we shun a culture or a people what are we doing that's good and edifying? Not much. We all will die someday but we need to reach out and embrace others if we want to make it thru these very hard times we live in once again.
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Comment #47 posted by afterburner on February 02, 2005 at 07:36:43 PT

kaptin, RE Comment #45
The Johnny Legatto pages (especially page 6, "School Becomes a Dangerous Place: After 1900 the new mass schooling arenas slowly became impersonal places where children were viewed as HUMAN RESOURCES. ... Since systematic forms of employment demand that employees specialize their efforts in one or another function of systematic production, then clear thinking warns us that incomplete people make the best corporate and government employees.")
 remind me of "Rethink" by Gordon Rattray Taylor.Unfortunately Mr. Taylor died in 1981 before the Internet went multimedia. As far as I can tell no one has taken up the standard to present his analysis contrasting paternalistic and maternalistic societies through the Industrial Revolution in hyper-pages yet. He also posits a third way called "paraprimitive" similar to Marshall McLuhan's "global village" or Buckminster Fuller's "spaceship earth" or Charles Reich's "consciousness III" in "The Greening of America." The book "Rethink" in hardback and paperback is getting more and more difficult to find, but it is well worth the read. The book is currently available at rare book outlets (such as Ventura Pacific, Ltd. http://www.venturapacific.net/cgi-bin/index/0098904.html or campusi http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=0525190732 ), some libraries, or Seafriends - Conservation index (see the Further reading list at the bottom of the webpage) http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/cons/ . Apparently no publisher's review (outside of the dust jacket) nor customer's review is currently available on-line. I guess, I'll have to write one myself after I reread it again.
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Comment #46 posted by afterburner on February 02, 2005 at 06:00:47 PT

RE Some Links About Different Cultures in The USA
Thanks for the links. FoM. They make a good morning wakeup read. Here's another one:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_Revolution
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Comment #45 posted by kaptinemo on February 02, 2005 at 03:32:12 PT:

IS, it ain't all your generation's fault
As to the manner and quality of your education, I'd suggest you take a look at this: http://johntaylorgatto.com/To put it bluntly, young people today are being cheated of a decent education thanks to a combination of politics being played at the school board level, and a national policy of the kind of things Mr. Gatto has illustrated in his books and Web site. My young nephew is a perfect example of what happens when you are 'socially' passed despite lacking necessary skills. He had to be home-schooled by my lil' Sis, and is doing quite well now. The family chipped in for tutoring on the side. But it should never have had to happen at all. Multiply this failure of the school system by millions, and the picture isn't pretty.Yet the antis spend 20 Billion a year on money that could have gone to those schools that so desperately needed it. 200 Billion the last 25 years (at leat that much; the actual total is probably around 500 Billion). To me, this smacks of planned failure: 'Johnny can't read' anything but the writing on the wall, gets into the drug trade to earn what he couldn't on a real job, and gets into trouble, and 'needs' incarceration. A decent education equipping him for today's economy would have lessened the chances of this happening - and an education that teaches him to think critically about everything coming out of the mouths of officialdom helps. But officialdom prefers serfs to citizens.
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Comment #44 posted by Industrial Strength on February 02, 2005 at 01:33:28 PT

Hippies
Somebody mentioned something in the middle of this thread about the young people. Being part of this malcontent, listless, spoiled, materialistic, apathetic, damned near illiterate generation I can confirm the pot smoking, but I don't think that testifys greatly to any victory of a forty five year old value system. This generation isn't big on values. This generation, for the most part (obviously) takes pot, like everything else, for granted.Selah.
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 21:53:34 PT

Some Links About Different Cultures in The USA
I did a search and did some reading and learned more then I knew. Since this has been a big part of this thread I thought others might like to check the links out too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Great_Awakeninghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 20:30:27 PT

afterburner
They both sound good.http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6301930010.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 20:20:04 PT

In Memory of Bob Marley
http://www.bobmarley.com/songs/ram/onelove.ramOne love, one heartLet's get together and feel all rightHear the children crying (One love)Hear the children crying (One heart)Sayin', "Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right."Sayin', "Let's get together and feel all right."
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Comment #40 posted by afterburner on February 01, 2005 at 20:15:33 PT

Psych-Out 
I first saw it at a film festival in Ann Arbor, MI. The overall storyline is good. It gets a little over-the-top at times and a little cheesy, but the rest of the movie makes it worth watching. I remember one scene with a Jimi Hendrix rip-off in the days before movies used real musicians. The audience broke out laughing at the cheap version of "Purple Haze."The movie is a fairly honest attempt to deal with the "hippie" subculture of San Franscisco and its lifestyle, characters and dangers. "Free" stores, diggers, spiritual seekers, musicians (like Stoney, played by Jack Nicholson), runaways, a mock funeral, communes, psychedelics (the good and the bad trips), and redneck opposition.I'd like to get it on DVD too. I have only a time-shifted recording so far. Another good period movie I'd like to have on DVD is "Rude Awakening" (1998) with Cheech Marin, Eric Roberts, Julie Hagerty, and Robert Carradine. I have the soundtrack, but I never see even a VHS tape of it on the market. Only used copies on eBay seem to be available. The story is about a pair of hippy fugitives who go to Central America and establish a commune. They miss out on the Eighties and are forced into a "rude awakening" by covert US military involvement in Central America. Upon returning to NYC they discover that their friends have become uptight yuppies and that the loving concerns of the 1960's for the environment and peace are out of fashion. It all turns out in the end with a surprising twist.
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Comment #39 posted by ekim on February 01, 2005 at 20:07:45 PT

One Love
Bob Marley would have been 60 years young today. 
http://www.leap.cc/events
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 19:23:36 PT

ngeo 
Thanks! You are making perfect sense to me. I remember that people that were the first hippies used Cannabis because they wanted to get closer to God. It was spiritual for many of them or so I've read. 
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Comment #37 posted by ngeo on February 01, 2005 at 19:15:24 PT:

hippies
I believe that what the prohibitionists in power fear is the freedom of thought created by cannabis use. That is why the 'war on drugs' is really a war on cannabis. This leads me to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees freedom of thought in Section 2(b). Cannabis prohibition prohibits the thought created by cannabis use. I put a defense based on this section on the NORML Canada web site but few people seem to make the connection. I am puzzled.The Mormons like to send out missionaries to convert the 'heathen'. In the copy of their Bible that I saw (which is complete with color pictures - for the 'heathen' I guess) Jesus is a giant - he is about eight feet tall, he towers over everyone else. And he has long blonde hair. I had to laugh.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 18:53:38 PT

Another Correction
I keep saying pictures of Jesus! I really mean paintings. He could have been very dark in complexion and have had long hair. I wonder how some modern church denominations would feel if somehow Jesus was close to black in color and it was proven. I don't think that would go over too well. Maybe white supremacy and KKK stuff still is alive in some areas of the country. I find it so hard to understand the logic of what people believe in this modern day and age. 
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Comment #35 posted by global_warming on February 01, 2005 at 17:03:06 PT

re:the face of the christ.
Mat 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands, 
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 16:31:11 PT

afterburner
That sounded so good I checked at Amazon about the movie. Dick Clark produced it and Jack Nicholson wrote and starred in it and Bruce Dern too. Bruce Dern was great in the Burbs! LOL!It isn't on DVD yet only VHS it seems.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 16:19:56 PT

afterburner
That was good. I never heard of that movie though. 
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Comment #32 posted by afterburner on February 01, 2005 at 16:16:04 PT

paintings of Jesus 
The one that struck me the most was the scene in the movie Psych-Out in which some long-haired parishioners are talking to the minister, and an uptight, upright fellow parishioner outside church comments, "How can he stand these people?" as the sun shines through a stain-glass window of a long-haired Jesus in the background.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 16:06:06 PT

Sam
That is interesting to know. Jesus could have been dark skinned too. I always wondered why pictures of him were as a white man.
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Comment #30 posted by Sam Adams on February 01, 2005 at 15:37:37 PT

culture war
Kapt, you're totally right, it's more of a cultural jihad than a war, it's a crusade, and crusades never end! In fact, you need to sustain your enemy to prolong the crusade indefinitely.FOM, your point about Jesus brings to mind a classic song by Bunny Wailer, who noticed the same thing as you. Here are some lyrics from "Bald Head Jesus":Every Apostle of Christ was a dreadlocked, bearded man.Every Apostle of Christ was a dreadlocked Ethiopian.This is a message to all church and denomination that respect is due to the dreadlocked Rasta man.Cause you've never seen the image of a bald head Jesus yet.I have never seen the image of a bald head Jesus yet.I have never seen the image of a bald head Jesus yet.He is a humble and dreadlocked Nazarene man, 
look in yourselves and try to understand
 why you've never seen the image of a bald head Jesus yet.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 14:37:51 PT

Sir Paul McCartney
I don't watch Football but this year they will have a very famous hippy doing the half time performing at the Superbowl. I don't know why they would pick him if old hippy types were so disliked. He made a love song to marijuana! And he got busted too! Even Bush had Mick Jagger at one of the Inauguration Parties!
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Comment #28 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 14:24:30 PT

Correction
I meant paintings of Jesus not pictures. 
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 14:18:28 PT

kapt
If that's true then I should hurry up and die. A world without what made hippies such a wonderful thing shouldn't be put in a closet even if the powers that be think it should. That's a major compromise in my mind. Giving up isn't what reform is about is it?Did any pictures of Jesus look like modern day folks or hippies?
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Comment #26 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 14:07:29 PT:

Sam Adams, the perception is everything
The people running the show in America today have got the 1960's on the brain. Anything that even remotely reminds them of a time when they were on the political and social outs (would you ever invite such stuck-up, tight-*sses as Crisco Johnny or Johnny Pee to share a pipe?) seems to cause a virulent reaction against those prompts...no matter how pointless their reactions. I like to think of myself as an observer of the ebb and flow of culture; the precepts of the 1960's era have largely been abandoned by most of the people in this society, save by those who still favor them. (Metaphysics is out; materialism is most definitely in.) Which, needless to say, are a distinct minority. Like I said, you rarely see a real live honest-to-God hippie anymore. (I am reminded of a Sheryl Crow music video where she appears to be part of a museum exhibit, dressed in '60's/'70's era clothing, where she defiantly sings "....and I still get stooooohned.") Yet those who run 'Murikah have, since taking power, made even greater predations against anything that even remotely resembles that (for them) hated era, and needless to say, cannabis is a perfect strawman. Klinton was no friend of ours, but Georgie the Lesser and his friends in the LEO apparatus has been the worst so far in attacking 'cannabis culture'. They really hate it. But it is axiomatic that before you can hate something, you must fear it, first. I leave you to speculate as to what about it they fear the most.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 11:22:37 PT

Something Funny
I'm sort of smiling about the hippie discussion and thought of what a highly intoxicated fan of Neil Young yelled out at the Greendale Concert last spring. He yelled out all you are is a Yuppie. Neil thought a minute and came back with this.Neil Young said:There is nothing wrong with Yuppies. Someday you might grow up and be a Yuppie too!It was so funny I wanted to share it. He also said you can be a capitalist and a tree hugger at the same time in one of the articles written about Greendale.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 10:43:52 PT

Sam
Hippies as far as appearance aren't as prevalent in our area anymore but the belief system of what they stood for is still as strong as it ever was.
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Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 10:41:59 PT:

As if right on cue
I had just jumped over to Libby's at LastOneSpeaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ after writing my last and found this:Seizures of Canadian pot by U.S. authorities rises 259 percent since 2001
http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw110981_20050201.htmThe kicker is that the actual figures still show the US to be receiving only 2% of Canadian cannabis output. But the title makes you think we're being inundated with BC Bud (shamelss nationalistic plug: "Save US jobs; Buy American, dammit!"). This is so contrived to provide a rationale for more laws and budgets, it's transparent.But if you read deeper, you'll find once again the annexation theme running through this. As one RCMP type says:*"We've been working more closely today than we ever have," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police Chief Superintendent Raf Souccar, director general of drugs and organized crime.* More closely...as in letting Texas State Troopers make traffic stops and search Canadians on Canadian soil.
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 10:37:45 PT

kapt
Off topic: Our friends Mother that you met is in the hospital in critical condition from a stroke. If you believe in praying say a little prayer for her. He is very upset. He loves his mom so much.
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Comment #21 posted by Sam Adams on February 01, 2005 at 10:34:49 PT

hippies
The hippies may be somewhat gone, but the vast majority of high school kids & college kids use marijuana - so who really won the cultural war?I liked the article about under-25's. How many 18-24 year-olds voted in the last election? I think 14%. I wouldn't be surprised at anything they do to under-25s. It's interesting, in Iraq they turned out to vote despite the risk of being shot or blown up. Here in America, people don't vote if it's rainy. We hold our chains in our hands.
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 10:29:51 PT

kaptinemo
When cannabis laws are changed the drug war will fall apart. The majority of activist really care about cannabis issues. I know I will feel I have done what I hoped for and will rest in peace when my time is up. 
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Comment #19 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 10:26:57 PT:

But you see what I mean?
Cannabis truly is the cornerstone of their policies; pull it out and the whole thing colapses. No more need for vast numbers of cops and agents the budgets to support them. That's why they fight relegalization of cananbis as if they were fighting Hell's Legions. Their meal ticket is on the line, and they know it. Simplicity itself.
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 10:22:17 PT

kaptinemo
Thank goodness the hippies aren't dead where we live or our one good friend that you met would be out of circulation. We kid him and say if you think Big Foot is in our woods, think twice! LOL! I love hippies and their beliefs! The spirit is alive and well.
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Comment #17 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 10:18:09 PT:

And, as both we and they know, it revolves
around cannabis, since it the most prevalent 'drug', the most popular, and the most easily detected...not to mention has the 'anti-Establishment' cachet to provoke the 1960's-hating neocons presently in power to foam and fulminate and pass laws against it, because it represents a lifestyle they hate.(Which is really weird, because how many hippies do you pass on the street every day? The 1960's are dead and buried, yet these gomers are still busy fighting the last cultural war...which they effectively WON. Another dead horse they delight in whipping.)
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 10:13:17 PT

kaptinemo
What about Cannabis issues? That's what confuses me when we generalize drugs along side of Cannabis.
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Comment #15 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 10:10:19 PT:

Sorry I caused confusion; I'll try to explain
The people running the (very profitable) DrugWar have always maintained a discrete distance from where the actual fighting is being done. These are the 'ivory tower' types, such as Johnny Pee. They never get their shoes dirty from the mud and blood in the trenches. They dream up all kinds of grandiose plans to make 'Murikah' a 'drug free' nation, and give orders to the grunts in the trenches to make it so.The DrugWarriors doing the fighting in those trenches are well aware they are engaged in a lost cause, but have incentives to not say so publicly. Incentives like continuing to draw paychecks. But privately, they have no illusions as to their effectiveness. They know their time is wasted and their lives occasionally squandered in this vainglorious pursuit dictated by the ivory tower types. One look at DEAWatch http://members.aol.com/deawatch/daily.htm will show how deep the cynicism on the part of the DrugWarriors has become. Some DEA Agents are being selected for duty in Afghanistan...which many consider a death sentence. It's all a sham, and only the most naive participants don't know it. But, so long as the ivory tower types don't have to smell the stink of the rotting horse that has "DrugWar" painted on it's side, the game goes on. If they had to deal with the reality of that stink every day, the war would be over quicktime.
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Comment #14 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 09:38:08 PT

kaptinemo
Sometimes you confuse me. Cannabis and the drug war aren't the same thing. We need to get the laws changed on cannabis. The future for drug laws being changed is not for this time. Even if this administration hadn't stayed in power fighting hard drugs is still an important issue for average people here in the USA. 
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Comment #13 posted by Hope on February 01, 2005 at 09:36:33 PT

Kap
I forgot about their ivory towers!Dang.
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Comment #12 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 09:29:29 PT:

Hope, the problem is distance from the horse
Namely, the distance between the realities of the trenches (the DrugWar is lost) and the ivory tower (everything's just peachy; keep it up). When you're way up in the tower, you don't have to smell the stench of rotting horseflesh on the field, just wave your perfumed hankie under your nose and sniff contentedly. So long as the policy makers are not forced into the trenches for extended periods but only daintily hop in and out of those trenches, and never get a nose-full of rotting equus stink (poor horse; it's not his fault), the game will continue.
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 09:26:29 PT

I Like This Part of The Article
The drug war makes me think of hard drugs but the reality is the government chases marijuana in it's ads. The war on Cannabis must be stopped. If they want to keep fighting a drug war cannabis shouldn't be considered in ads or in the same group as meth or heroin.***In recent years ONDCP's commercials have focused overwhelmingly, almost obsessively, on marijuana. But marijuana is well documented to be far less toxic or addictive than alcohol and tobacco, much less cocaine, heroin or methamphetamine. A scientific review by Oxford University researcher Leslie Iversen in the February issue of Current Opinion in Pharmacology concludes, "Overall, by comparison with other drugs used mainly for 'recreational' purposes, cannabis could be rated a relatively safe drug."But you would never know that from those government ads, which suggest that if you smoke a joint you will shoot your friends, run down little girls on bicycles and end up a homeless derelict. Far more dangerous substances are rarely mentioned in this ad blitz, whose government origins are typically disclosed in a minimal, easy-to-miss fashion.

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Comment #10 posted by Hope on February 01, 2005 at 09:04:12 PT

Siege...About dead horses
They eventually begin to stink. We've smelled it for a long time. The stench will surely reach the nostrils of those with power...eventually...surely...or the whole danged rotten dead horse will blow up in their faces.Bury the Drug War and bury it deep!
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 08:59:30 PT

goneposthole 
I agree that the drug war ( hard drugs ) will get really bad as far as arrests and prosecutions but maybe just maybe Cannabis as medicine might stand a chance. That's my only hope with this administration.
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on February 01, 2005 at 08:59:08 PT

The last line of article mentioned in comment 7
The best way to do that, he added, "is by passing laws."
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Comment #7 posted by Hope on February 01, 2005 at 08:54:33 PT

A new issue is begun...
Now they may start changing things to where you are a minor until you're twenty five years old! Except for sending you off to war, of course.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6891821/
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Comment #6 posted by goneposthole on February 01, 2005 at 08:52:26 PT

The Bad News
The drug war is going to remain entrenched, the cost to taxpayers will not decrease, the overt and covert propaganda will continue unabated, people will continue to be arrested for cannabis use, no legaization in sight, and the stupidity of it all will prevail.That's the bad news and there won't be any good news.That's the truth of the matter and I doubt very much that it will change anytime soon.Don't use legal drugs, they kill. Smoke and enjoy your cannabis. That's some good news, by golly.
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Comment #5 posted by siege on February 01, 2005 at 08:43:48 PT

inconsisted
This is every inconsisted of the gov't. from aug.04 to nov.04 the Marijuana anti-drug ads on television, radio where about 5 to 6 an hour from nov. 04 till know it is about one or two a day. So what is one to think, at election time the/our KIDS are more importance then any other time. one would hope that they would run out of money, but again they just wast our taxs ON a die horse and will not burier it!!.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on February 01, 2005 at 08:26:11 PT

afterburner 
I believe that CNews is read by many organizations and individuals. One time Richard Cowan thanked me for making his research work so much easier. Steve Kubby thanked me just recently for CNews and how it has helped with reforming cannabis laws.
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Comment #3 posted by afterburner on February 01, 2005 at 08:19:27 PT

Do You Think MPP Is Reading This Site?
It seems that the overall theme of this article has been previously discussed here. Your honest research, at work, underpinning the good fight.Thanks to Steve Fox for connecting the dots in a logical way, pointing up the extreme illogic and deception of the taxpayer-funded government agencies.
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Comment #2 posted by kaptinemo on February 01, 2005 at 08:02:44 PT:

'Conservative' and 'liberal' being reversed
It's been remarked upon here before and lots of other places that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' seem to be reversing meanings, now. Used to be, the (neo- they aren't real)'conservatives' wailed and gnashed their teeth at the liberal's use of government to dictate life in these United States; now (neo)conservatives do it, while the liberals pee-and-moan about it. And now the liberals have 'discovered' the means of defense that they accused the conservatives of using: placing more control of resources to solve local problems in local hands instead of from top-down centralization. Otherwise known as (with an irony so hard it's industrial strength) 'State's Rights'.What does this have to do with reform? Mainly this: both sides have had their turn, and loused things up. Both sides have used the power of government to have their way, and both sides have in the past and are now making drug law matters worse. Both sides have in the past and are now misusing public funds to subsidize attacks on their pet peeves...and just dug us all deeper into the swamp. This latest article illustrates that starkly. The only conceivable solution I can think of is to make this a matter for referendum and let the people decide once and for all. We just can't afford this DrugWar monstrosity anymore.
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Comment #1 posted by potpal on February 01, 2005 at 06:53:46 PT

Found AlterNet interesting...
...a followup to the fired (tobacco) smokers...http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/21131/
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