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An Inmate's Death
Posted by CN Staff on October 01, 2004 at 22:30:48 PT
Editorial
Source: Washington Post 
Judith E. Retchin, Associate Judge, D.C. Superior Court: "I checked with the Chief's [Chief Judge Rufus G. King III] office, and the jail should be able to accommodate all of his medical needs. I checked with them last week." Boniface Cobbina, an attorney for Jonathan Magbie: "Very well." The deputy clerk: "So he doesn't need to do a medical alert?" 
Judge Retchin: "Yes. He [Mr. Cobbina] still should fill out the medical alert. I just wanted to make sure they would be able to attend to his needs."  Sept. 20 transcript from the court case of Jonathan Magbie And with that, the proceedings were concluded, and Jonathan Magbie, a 27-year-old quadriplegic who had been unable to breathe on his own since he was 4, was sent to a Corrections Department facility for 10 days for marijuana possession. Four days later he was dead. The short period between sentencing and his death is a story of what can happen when an impersonal system treats inmates as if they are nobodies with no one to turn to. The marijuana charge was Mr. Magbie's first offense. He pleaded guilty to the charge but told the presentencing officials that using marijuana made him feel better and that he didn't believe there was anything wrong with using it. Judge Retchin also noted during sentencing that cocaine was found in Mr. Magbie's coat and a loaded gun in the car in which he was riding. Despite a recommendation of probation by the presentencing office and the lack of objection from the prosecution, Judge Retchin told Mr. Magbie that it was unacceptable to have a loaded gun in the city. "And I believe under all of the circumstances here, the appropriate sentence is ten days in jail [and] a Victim's Assessment of fifty dollars." Then the buck-passing began. After arriving at the D.C. jail, Mr. Magbie was evaluated as needing "acute medical attention" and nearly nine hours later was shipped to Greater Southeast Community Hospital, which has handled inmate hospitalizations since the closure of D.C. General Hospital. Greater Southeast, however, discharged Mr. Magbie the next day and sent him to the Correctional Treatment Facility (CTF), another Corrections Department unit near the jail. A physician at the CTF concluded that Mr. Magbie belonged at the hospital and asked that he be taken back, but Greater Southeast refused. The physician then asked Judge Retchin to order the hospital to take Mr. Magbie, but the judge said she didn't have the power. And there at CTF Mr. Magbie stayed. After his mother, Mary Scott, and his lawyer haggled with the medical staff for two days, she was finally permitted to bring his ventilator to the building. By the time Ms. Scott got there, her son had been taken back to Greater Southeast. He died that night. Yesterday, we asked the chief judge's office if the matter of Jonathan Magbie was closed or under review. The case is closed, we were told, but Chief Judge King has arranged a meeting with Odie Washington, director of the Corrections Department. They will review in detail the department's ability to handle different medical conditions at the jail, the CTF and Greater Southeast to make sure that judges fully understand the medical capacity of all Corrections Department facilities. If necessary, we were advised, the chief judge would arrange a training program for Superior Court judges. But did Mr. Magbie deserve jail? Why was he sent to the hospital? Why did the hospital discharge him and refuse to take him back? Why did two days elapse before he could get his ventilator? Why is his case closed? Source: Washington Post (DC)Published: Saturday, October 2, 2004; Page A20 Copyright: 2004 Washington Post Contact: letterstoed washpost.comWebsite: http://www.washingtonpost.com Related Article:DC Jail Stay Ends in Death For Quadriplegic Manhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread19578.shtml
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Comment #87 posted by FoM on October 03, 2004 at 13:16:23 PT
How About Mine
Hell hath no fury like a woman! I'm just kidding but I know I can be a pistol.
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Comment #86 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 13:15:59 PT
FoM ...Lol! ....face turning red
I think my eyes get big first...maybe my jaw sets first, though.
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Comment #85 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 13:13:54 PT
Like ole Will himself once noticed
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."Scorned for any reason. I just hate scorn.
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Comment #84 posted by FoM on October 03, 2004 at 13:12:44 PT
Hope
That was good! My husband knows that point for me too. When my head starts to look like a red beet he stops! LOL!
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Comment #83 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 13:10:47 PT
That's ok, FoM
I'm used to it. Papa Grizzly shows his teeth sometimes...but as I'm sure all you guys out there know the feeling...he knows when he's near Mama Bear's trigger point.
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Comment #82 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 13:05:41 PT
Lol!
I'm the "Quiet Grizzly".
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Comment #81 posted by FoM on October 03, 2004 at 13:04:07 PT
Hope
I'm really sorry. That has to be very hard to handle. My father was a republican and my mom was a democrat. They never talked about it. The only time my father voted for a democrat was for JFK. He was protestant and my mom was catholic. I know the confusion and I really do sympathize. I grew up with it. They were so different then each other but maybe that's why I can understand the differences between people.PS: I've 56 too. Getting ready to turn over one more time though. 
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Comment #80 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 13:00:59 PT
The Quiet Woman
When I say, "I'm the quiet woman around here.", you all obviously would know I don't mean here being CNews. Far from quiet...I fear I monopolize threads sometimes. Sorry about that. Sometimes I just catch fire and don't realize what I've done till I look back. Dang.Sometimes I have to wonder if I don't have a little bear dna.
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Comment #79 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 12:56:59 PT
It makes perfect sense
I have to live with a Republican...and I tread softly. I've given him ultimatum after ultimatum...and I'm sure I will continue to do so..."I do not want to talk about politics. You won't listen to anything I say anyway. You have no respect for other people's oppinions. You get mad. I want know part of it. I don't want to Rush Limbaugh and I don't want to hear Glen Beck. Take your radio out of the house. I don't want to hear it. Go away. You'll only get mad at me. I can't talk and I don't want to hear it. Git away!!!)He's trying but he still sneaks one in here and there. Aaaarrggh. I'm 56 years old. I'm tired of it...all of it...religion, politics, anything that will lead to arguing. Everytime I really say what's in my heart I get my head snapped off and am ridiculed for being some sort of moron...if only in the shocked expressions on their or his face.I've tried to be as gentle and careful of other people's feeling as I can be. Life is hard enough for everyone without me making it any harder.I'm the "quiet woman" around here. I don't play they game. They try to get me to play...I'm the "quiet woman". The old ticker says "walk away"...if they want to stew and boil and bubble. Fine. I have other things to accomplish with what little energy I have.I'll take the next bus.
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Comment #78 posted by FoM on October 03, 2004 at 12:40:09 PT
Hope
The way I see it is we have many people here who don't believe in a God. I believe each person needs to find their own way thru life. When we appear to preach to someone who is an atheist it gets them angry and in a forum like this one respect for each other is very important. It's like politics. Our issue has politics in it but it is the issues that are political not who is to be our next president. I consider Nicholas a friend. He just sent me some lovely pictures of his daughter. I talk to him in e-mail and recently about Steve Earle and Neil Young. If there is anyone that is a diehard Republican he is it and he'll be the first one to tell you. We don't need to fight over things like that and we don't have too. If Bush wins I will cry but I will get over it. We are a cannabis community and we need to stand together in all that we do and why I believe how this forum should work is because I want to protect it's integrity for all different people to enjoy. Does this make sense?
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Comment #77 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 12:39:10 PT
Drug Warriors and Prohibitionists
Let me place this one seed in the palm of your hand and closed your fingers softly around it.Mark 4:19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 
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Comment #76 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 12:33:21 PT
Gosh
I love you guys, all of you, so much.
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 12:30:33 PT
to some of us...we see seeds of startling beauty
Others just see superstition and mumbo jumbo. Same would go for Shakespearean fans or any other writer for that matter. A verse of Shakespeare can be startlingly beautiful to those among us who love his work...some people are just overwhelmed at a large section and won't get anything out of it anyway.
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Comment #74 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 12:22:33 PT
We've got to remember
that our lovely and kind hostess doesn't want us dumping bucketloads of them there 'seeds' on people's heads, though. 
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Comment #73 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 12:19:19 PT
Global Warming
I was listening to Mark yesterday...and the 'sower of the word' passage was on about the time your post came up. I couldn't help but notice...you ole farmer/sower person, you.:-)
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Comment #72 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 11:18:34 PT
Global Warming
Mark 4:14-19
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Comment #71 posted by Hope on October 03, 2004 at 10:46:46 PT
tokenitallup4162 
Thank you.Washington Post hasn't replied to my post to them. I've had editors answer my posts before, but I guess the Wahington Post is just too big and busy to bother with it.FoM, nothing in the Post today?
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Comment #70 posted by tokenitallup4162 on October 03, 2004 at 08:19:58 PT:
HIGHER POWER AND CANNABIS
I like to thank all of you who post your articles. they are all very good! I read alot of articles everyday but I don't always put my oppinion to all. thank you to the people who help create this website. you are a blessing! as for a website for Mr. Magbie. it would be a great way to show our support to his mother and to others out there. putting a newly creative calendar in the website could help cover his exspences, and then some. as for a lawsuit, GO FOR IT !!! Now for cannabis and OUR HIGHER POWER!!! Kaneh-bosem is a hebrew word for cannabis. WE all know cannabis goes back along way. tell a christian, that JESUS used cannabis, and your be scoffed at very ugly like., tell a muslim, that MUHAMMED indulged in a little cannabis, you will get,"for the most part" 90% agreeable terms., tell a islamic,ALA, indulged, and still we would get different minds on this issue of cannabis.The point being, WE NEED TO FULLY EXPLAIN TO CHRISTIANS that CANNABIS is GOOD FOR US, IF IT HELPS OUR SUFFERING. since we are mostly CHRISTIANS here in the ole USA, I used this for. just my oppinion! I know of no other herb in the world that can give you the notion of compassion, when indulged. I think most of you would agree!! The government sometimes likes to help our suffering more, if money or politics is involved. I do know that by the federal government lifting the ban on hemp products, is like getting a big toe, in the door, so to speak. and it has always been my experience," get your toe in and the rest will follow." and we have a new creation on a old issue. hope, love the way you can epress your anger,sadness,joy and hope, all at one time., very good.patrick, a hell of an ideal,CIA!, global, the supreme court is an awesum website, ty. fom, ty, for the websites, well informed!. last but not least, This has got to be one of the biggest comments, I've seen, thus far. A QUOTE FOR NOTE!, from Melchizedek of Nabeon!, " TRUE RELIGION MUST EVER BE, AT ONE AND THE SAME TIME, THE ETERNAL FOUNDATION AND THE GUIDING STAR OF ALL ENDURING CIVILIZATIONS!!!. salom,peace,godbless, our fighters and our enemies, for a balance will come.
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Comment #69 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 18:04:03 PT
Dankhank 
Thanks no I never saw them. I don't think I want to see them. I worry about enough things. I think I'll pass. 
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Comment #68 posted by Dankhank on October 02, 2004 at 17:55:44 PT
Crazyworld
Commercials by truth.com The information broadcast by the truth.com's Crazyworld commercials is mind-blowing. These commercials expose how tobacco companies bend the moral rules that all other American companies are forced to keep. Unfortunately, the people who need to listen are the ones who don't ever quite get the message. http://www.easttennessean.com/news/2003/12/09/Viewpoint/Commercials.Tell.Truth.Risks.Of.Smoking-575463.shtml
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 17:43:16 PT
Crazyworld Commercial
Dankhank what is it?
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Comment #66 posted by Dankhank on October 02, 2004 at 17:35:41 PT
Thanx
Thanks, FoM, I love that man as a true brother.I was on duty in the Army the night he was murdered, and stayed awake all that night demanding to know where justice was. It's not on this earth. Have ya'll seen the "Crazyworld" commercials? Made to address the niciotine dichotomy wherin the substance that kills the most Americans is legal. The substance that HEALS is illegal and Americans in the land of the free and home of the brave are murdered for using.
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this IS crazyworld ... or hell ... take your pick
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Comment #65 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 17:20:46 PT
Dankhank
I thought you might like to read this news.FBI May Be Forced to Reveal All on Lennon:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=568383
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Comment #64 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 17:08:50 PT
Imagine
Dankhank I love that song. That's one of my favorite ever.
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Comment #63 posted by Dankhank on October 02, 2004 at 17:03:03 PT
Another, perhaps saner view ...
Imagineby John Lennon
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today, ah-haImagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in pieceYou, may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as oneImagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
Nothing to kill or die for
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the worldYou, you may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as oneJohn Lennon
1940-10-09 :: 1980-12-08murdered by one who claimed to be a Christian, as so many millions have been murdered by Christians, and I bet Judge Retchin thinks SHE is a Christian
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Comment #62 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 15:07:56 PT
global_warming 
I've asked nicely before when someone posted lots of scriptures to please remember we have people who don't believe in a higher being and we need to respect all who comment here. If you want to show a scripture posting a link gives people the option to not go to it if they don't want to read it. Thanks in advance.
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Comment #61 posted by global_warming on October 02, 2004 at 14:59:29 PT
Faith In God's Plan
Dan 2:3 And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream. Dan 2:4 Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation. Dan 2:5 The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill. Dan 2:6 But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof. Dan 2:7 They answered again and said, Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation of it. Dan 2:8 The king answered and said, I know of certainty that ye would gain the time, because ye see the thing is gone from me. Dan 2:9 But if ye will not make known unto me the dream, there is but one decree for you: for ye have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak before me, till the time be changed: therefore tell me the dream, and I shall know that ye can shew me the interpretation thereof.Dan 2:10 The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king's matter: therefore there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean.Dan 2:11 And it is a rare thing that the king requireth, and there is none other that can shew it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh.
Dan 2:12 For this cause the king was angry and very furious, and commanded to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.Dan 2:13 And the decree went forth that the wise men should be slain; and they sought Daniel and his fellows to be slain.Dan 2:14 Then Daniel answered with counsel and wisdom to Arioch the captain of the king's guard, which was gone forth to slay the wise men of Babylon:Dan 2:15 He answered and said to Arioch the king's captain, Why is the decree so hasty from the king? Then Arioch made the thing known to Daniel.Dan 2:16 Then Daniel went in, and desired of the king that he would give him time, and that he would shew the king the interpretation. Dan 2:17 Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions: Dan 2:18 That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.Dan 2:19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven. 
Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: Dan 2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.Dan 2:23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.Dan 2:24 Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.Dan 2:25 Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste, and said thus unto him, I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation. Dan 2:26 The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof?Dan 2:27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;Dan 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; Dan 2:29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.Dan 2:30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.Dan 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. Dan 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.Dan 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 
Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
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Comment #60 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 13:25:06 PT
More On Monday
Thanks EJ for the lawyers name. Monday is an important day. I hope it goes really well.
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Comment #59 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 12:56:38 PT
I think we'll hear more on Monday
Washington, DC: Patients, health professionals and drug law reform advocates from across the nation will converge in Washington DC on Monday, October 4, 2004 to participate in a two-day rally demanding that the US government reschedule marijuana so that doctors may legally prescribe it. Participants will hold a press conference at the National Press Club on Monday, followed by a demonstration outside the offices of the US Health and Human Services on Tuesday.
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Comment #58 posted by global_warming on October 02, 2004 at 12:45:55 PT
Supreme Court Returns
October 2, 2004
Supreme Court Returns to Divisive Issues
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSFiled at 3:05 p.m. ETWASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court session starting Monday features many of the same wrenching issues that splintered the justices during the last term and led to some unusually acrimonious dissents. The death penalty, free speech and prison sentences are back on the agenda, along with new topics such as medical marijuana and out-of-state wine purchases that are likely to produce significant disagreement.Many of the biggest cases last session came down to 5-4 votes and some justices on the losing end offered harshly worded minority opinions.Justice Sandra Day O'Connor predicted a disastrous impact from the court's June ruling limiting judges' roles in sentencing convicted criminals. ``The court ignores the havoc it is about to wreak on trial courts across the country,'' she warned in what turned out to be a prescient statement.The ruling struck down a state sentencing system and led judges around the country to invalidate the similar federal system. Some federal judges started reducing sentences and prosecutors changed the way they handle cases, putting more information in indictments and revising the way plea bargains are done.Justices agreed over the summer to hear arguments on the first day of the nine-month term in two appeals that will determine if the federal sentencing system violated defendant's Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial. The decision will affect many thousands of people.``Often the court draws back when it looks over the precipice, but I'm not sure they're going to pull back'' on this case, said Chris Landau, a Washington lawyer and former Supreme Court clerk. ``They're not a timid court.''Justices also were divided 5-4 in a major test last term of the government's power to control speech. In this case, which upheld major parts of a campaign finance law, Justice Antonin Scalia complained that his colleagues caused a tragedy: ``This is a sad day for the freedom of speech.''Washington lawyer Erik Jaffe, a former Supreme Court clerk, said strong opinions rarely produce long-standing animosity among justices.``They get annoyed, frustrated or mad or whatever you see expressed in critically worded opinions. Then they get over it and go to the next case,'' he said.During each term, the Supreme Court hears about 80 appeals, only a fraction of the nearly 10,000 the justices are asked to consider.On schedule this year are cases dealing with the rights of immigrants, the power of the government to prosecute cancer patients who use marijuana at the recommendation of their doctors and the government's authority to take private property through eminent domain.A case sure to elicit strong opinions will be argued this month when justices are asked to rule on the constitutionality of executing killers who committed their crimes when they were juveniles.Two years ago, the four-member liberal wing of the court -- Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer -- criticized their colleagues for being unwilling to ban what they called the ``shameful practice'' of executing juveniles.Those four were outvoted in a major death penalty case in June, over whether to throw out more than 100 death sentences that were handed down by judges instead of juries. The court ruled earlier that juries, not judges, are final arbiters of the death penalty, but it refused to apply the decision to old cases.The juvenile case will decide the fate of about 70 people on death row who killed when they were teenagers, including a Missouri man who was 17 when he helped push a woman off a railroad bridge in 1993. The United States is among only a few countries that allow execution for crimes committed before age 18.This year's top free speech case asks if the government can force cattle producers to pay for programs such as the ``Beef: It's What's for Dinner'' ad campaign. The court's ruling is significant because the government forces growers of many agricultural products, from eggs to alligators, to share expenses for marketing. The eventual ruling would affect nonagriculture government programs, too.The nine justices, with an average age of 70, have served together without a retirement or death for more than 10 years, a modern record. At least one retirement is considered likely at the end of the term. Most mentioned prospects are Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, 80, the 74-year-old O'Connor and Stevens, 84.Jesse Choper, a constitutional law professor at the University of California-Berkeley, said that the court, under Rehnquist's leadership, has been notable for taking on many tough issues.``They certainly wade in where lots of others hesitate to tread,'' he said.An appeal not yet at the court, but likely this fall, involves Oregon's assisted-suicide law. An appeals court has ruled that Attorney General John Ashcroft cannot hold doctors criminally liable for prescribing overdoses under the state's voter-approved law. The White House has until November to appeal the decision.^------On the Net:Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/
Supreme Court Returns
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Comment #57 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 12:45:03 PT
You're right, John Wayne! How ironic.
Wretched Judith Retchin.
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Comment #56 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 12:39:03 PT
Yes, Patrick
It was a story yesterday. A report.Today it's an editorial.
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Comment #55 posted by john wayne on October 02, 2004 at 12:38:32 PT
The judges name is "Retchin" ???
Retchin' is what I did as I read the story.
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Comment #54 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 12:37:21 PT
e-mail sent to the Washington Post
Dear Editorial Staff,I'm thankful you didn't let this tragedy be swept under the rug. Thank you.Do you have any information about where and when any service or memorial for Mr. Magbie will be held? Has a fund been set up as a memorial for him or anything? I'm sure there are many others like myself who would like to offer his family our condolences...pitiful as they may be. After all it was our wretched, public "servant", who did this to them.Thank you,
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Comment #53 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 12:33:04 PT
His lawyer
Boniface Cobbina1825 Eye Street, N.W., Suite 400Washington, DC 20006Tel: 202-463-6900Fax: 202-223-3224E-mail: bcobbina lawyer.com
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Comment #52 posted by Patrick on October 02, 2004 at 12:31:30 PT
It was a story...
by Henri E. Cauvin,Washington Post staff writer and it was the first article I read and posted my comments on here regarding this "story."
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Comment #51 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 12:29:39 PT
The Post?
Do you think they might know? Or would they even bother to answer?I'll try.
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Comment #50 posted by Patrick on October 02, 2004 at 12:27:00 PT
Not even a news article?
It was an editorial and not a story? Is that true? Maybe the story appeared in an earlier addition?
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Comment #49 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 12:26:14 PT
obits
I couldn't find one online for him.
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Comment #48 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 12:21:56 PT
something we can do
For flowers...perhaps we could call our local florist and FTD something to Mary Scott for Jonathan Magbie's funeral...but what city? Local banks in her area? Her bank? Her lawyer...to start a fund?
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 12:15:24 PT
EJ I Just Looked
I can't find a memorial web site. I thought of how a gift from people would be appreciated but how to do it I just don't know how. Maybe something could be found in an Obituary somewhere. I'll look.
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Comment #46 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 12:07:17 PT
Will there be a memorial service?
A memorial service, a web site, donations to the mother?Coincidentally, the leadership of our community is gathering there right now for the HHS meeting.I would like to know where to send flowers, donations.
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Comment #45 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:59:38 PT
Joy
Maybe you can tell I'm experiencing what I call "The Joy of The Lord"....it can exist even in the presence of suffering. I'm amazed. On some level...this looks like a Miracle to my small mind. 
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:52:16 PT
THE WASHINGTON POST
I always sort of thought that NYT would be the first domino! 
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Comment #43 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:50:34 PT
It is an editorial!
Thank you, AgaetisByrjun. I couldn't bear to read it thoroughly again and now is the first time I've realized this is an Editorial! Thank you! And thank you, THE WASHINGTON POST!
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Comment #42 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:43:19 PT
lol....goneposthole
look around...you aren't alone!
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Comment #41 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:42:09 PT
FoM
Wow...I thought that was a cannabis site! It's a TV station...not Pot TV!
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Comment #40 posted by goneposthole on October 02, 2004 at 11:41:35 PT
no hope for me
I'm out of my tree. Have been for 53 years. 
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Comment #39 posted by AgaetisByrjun on October 02, 2004 at 11:40:37 PT
Update
I checked online, and I'm pretty sure that this is the lead editorial. That's good.
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:40:16 PT
Bill Bennet!
Where's the outrage?Here it is...right here.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 11:37:10 PT
Here's More On The Show
http://www.nbc11.com/potandpolitics/index.html
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Comment #36 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:32:36 PT
One more thing, please
Has Hope lost it?Hope has got a better grip on it than ever.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 11:22:37 PT
Shame Shame Shame
I'm only kidding. I know it was a busy night for news and it was easy to get sidetracked. Maybe it will wind up online for us to watch. 
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Comment #34 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 11:18:59 PT
FoM
Oops, I forgot to watch it!
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 11:14:40 PT
EJ a Question
How was the NBC show on medical marijuana in California the other day? We don't get that particular channel on Direct TV.
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Comment #32 posted by goneposthole on October 02, 2004 at 11:14:39 PT
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd, you don't mess around with JimA musical admonishment from Jim CroceYou tell yourself: "Well, yeah, you don't tug on Superman's cape. Some things you just don't do."The 'didactic'His tragic death is the story that tugs at your heartstrings. It goes through 
the back of your heart.  "The didactic assaults the fortress of your mind, but the story goes throught the back of your heart."The US government says you can't smoke marijuana. Don't mess with the government; it's going to teach you a lesson if you do.The 'didactic'The tragic story of Mr. Magbie, a quadriplegic, goes through the back of your heart.The actions of the court aren't too impressive. They were going to teach Mr. Magbie a lesson, a didactic. Make fun of a crippled fool.The government could have cared less about his story."...And he was just a gentle boyA real florescent lightCried pennies on Sunday morningLaughs nickels on Saturday nightAnd your bullets they can't harm himNor your knives tear him apartHumiliation killed himGod bless his little heart...Now some folks they waitAnd some folks they prayFor Jesus to rise up againBut none of these folksIn their holy cloaksEver took Billy on as a friendFor pity's a crimeAnd it ain't worth a dimeTo a person who's really in needJust treat 'em the sameAs you would your own nameNext time that your heart starts to bleed"- 'Billy the Bum' by John PrineSo, what is it that is needed? The didactic from the US government or the sad stories that it inflicts upon its own people?Who is it that needs to learn a didactic, a 'moral lesson'?If Johnathon Magbie had been Superman, I don't think the 'court' would have tugged on his cape.Maybe he was. A crippled old fool maybe was Superman.Maybe the government messed around with the wrong guy.The 'didactic' is yet to come... for the US government.Have a nice day.
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Comment #31 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:13:21 PT
AgaetisByrjun, comment #28
I'm so glad to hear that. Thank you.
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 11:09:02 PT
EJohnson
Amen!
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Comment #29 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 11:02:42 PT
If an awful tragedy like this was going to happen
The best possible place it could have happened was in Washington DC while the Supreme Court is getting ready to rule on Raich.
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Comment #28 posted by AgaetisByrjun on October 02, 2004 at 10:58:02 PT
Hope
Pages A20-21 are the op-ed pages. A21 has the syndicated columns (Krauthammer, Novak, Buckley, Cohen, etc.) and A20 has the political cartoon, the LTE, and the staff editorials.So this article is actually getting pretty big ink: it's right next to the letters to the editor, and they've considered it one of the 2-3 most affecting issues of the day. Page numbers can be deceiving.
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Comment #27 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 10:24:43 PT
Drug Warriors and Prohibitionists
You may think I’ve finally lost it. Not so. I’m just showing it to you.Do I really pity you and love you, for God’s sake?Yes. I do. I’ll prove it. I’ll tell you that there is a hidden staircase out of your pit of perdition. If you are able to take the first step…which you likely can’t…the next step will be illuminated and so on…until you’ve made it out.The first step will light up when your foot touches it.It says, “I was wrong.”
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 08:41:53 PT
Drug Warriors and Prohibitionists
Does what I've said mean I hate you?No. God forbid. I'm angry...but I pity you deeply and I shudder inwardly at the thought of the pit you have dug for yourself.
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Comment #25 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 08:40:39 PT
Hope
You're welcome. I'm still looking for news to post but nothing has surfaced so far. I'll keep looking.
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Comment #24 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 08:38:12 PT
Thank you, FoM
At least it was in the A section...albeit 20 pages back.
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Comment #23 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 08:31:27 PT
Rule
The very fact that they use the word rule in their neat little praise phrase to their false god..."The Rule of Law"... is a Freudian slip revealing their true intentions.
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Comment #22 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 08:27:22 PT
Patrick
Amen...you're right and I agree with you.
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Comment #21 posted by Patrick on October 02, 2004 at 08:09:24 PT
We need a 
Cannabis Information AgencyMy own little twist on the C.I.A. The Central Intelligence Agency obviously doesn’t have the intelligence to read mountains of evidence noting the medical use of cannabis or recognize that another department within the government itself grows and distributes cannabis for just such a reason. If they do know the truth, then where’s the intelligence in remaining quiet about it at the C.I.A.? Note to record; we arrest a paralyzed man for a little cannabis (marijuana) and within 96 hours he is dead from a lack of compassion and care? It doesn’t take very much intelligence to see a “system” in need of serious repair. The System makes Cannabis a Schedule 1 drug with no medical value. The System grows and distributes medical marijuana to patients and has for nearly 30 years. The System approves a synthetic version missing key ingredients to sell for profit. The System continues to arrest its citizenry for growing its own supply? Nobody can have it both ways not even the System. We either live in a free society or we are ruled by tyranny. I submit Mr. Magbie’s death is the result of tyrannical desire of the System wanting to rule over our lives rather than govern them.Since 1937 this ignorant war against a plant has been waged on the citizens of this great land like a cancer. Countless lives have been lost on both sides. It’s time for some serious changes to our drug laws starting with no more arrests for cannabis possession period.
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Comment #20 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 08:05:00 PT
Do I feel better, now?
Hell no!But I've said something that's needed saying for a long time.
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Comment #19 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 08:03:27 PT
Drug Warriors and Prohibitionists
When you start talking "collateral damage"...I say you might as well have "Cold Blooded Killer" tattooed on your forehead.And...you Godless, witless, mindless, spineless, soulless freaks out there that worship the "Rule of Law" like it was some kind of god instead of manmade rules...you need shearing...like the mindless goats you are. "Oh well...he shouldn't have broken the law. The law is the law. He knew the risk he took." Their favorite conscience salve. They slap a little of that on and go about their witless, mindless, destructive way.What about God's law? What about natural law? Godless, witless, mindless, soulless freaks is what you've allowed yourself to become.
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Comment #18 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 07:34:55 PT
Tyrants, Tormenters, and Murderers
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." 
 -- C.S. Lewis
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Comment #17 posted by Patrick on October 02, 2004 at 07:32:49 PT
Well said Hope
Hope. I feel your anger in your words. I couldn't express my disgust with this story any better. All I could do is curse too. Keep venting.EJ I am with you on the lawsuit. If ever an inept bungling government department deserves to get sued I can't think of a better case. Get Larry King to cover this one! Court TV where was the compassion in the system I ask my chosen leaders??? I as a citzen don't believe the "case is closed." Not from the two articles about this that I have read so far.Hope I like your cannabis calender idea. Pictures of cannabis growing and put the names of drug war victims with the dates they died and to say a prayer or something. I think it would be a powerful calender that would sell provided the tradional holidays were included. The more that know the closer we get to change.I am sure someone from this board could A. either find one or B. create when and offer it for sale on thier website for 2005! Post and let us know!
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Comment #16 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 07:31:19 PT
Drug Warriors and Prohibitionists
You ARE the "White washed sepulchers" that Jesus spoke of.All pretty and sharp and sparkling clean looking on the outside...but I know what’s inside you. You’re full of stench and rotted flesh and dead people's bones.
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Comment #15 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 07:08:44 PT
Drug Warriors and Prohibitionists
You could show your "snuff" films to each other as proof of all the PROGRESS you are making in your War on Drugs. Hey, you could make a party out of it....kind of like a super bowl party.You stink. I'm sure the stench has reached God's nostrils by now.Next time water touches your stinking flesh...think of it as spit. You need spitting on.
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Comment #14 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 07:01:56 PT
A calendar sold for funds 
The calendar will have to be quickly updateable of course. Stickers or updates sent out to add the new victims.Any drug warrior or anti out there… YOU are vile and wicked in what you do and support. We need a calendar. You'd probably like to have some "snuff" films of all the people you've murdered and all the misery you've caused. You're like blind venomous serpents. Soon you'll bite your own self in the tail. I suspect you drug warriors might think..., "Oh...collateral damage is a part of any war." You made the "war". That grievous stench you smell is you.
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Comment #13 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 07:00:11 PT
Now I will say something crass yet hopeful
If a judge was going to kill one of us, this was the perfect place and perfect time to do it. The Supreme Court is getting ready to tackle Raich v. Ashcroft and HHS has a rescheduling hearing Monday. And now the possibility of a disabled marijuana being killed by a minor jail sentence has been demonstrated to them in their own back yard to be a reality, not merely a paranoid pothead conjecture.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on October 02, 2004 at 06:56:45 PT
Hope
Page A20
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Comment #11 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 06:52:32 PT
Righteous Anger and Indignation
Righteous Anger and indignation start turning to hate when I find myself imagining that judge shackled by the neck and anything else that she can wiggle, to a wall for the rest of her wretched life.There's a fine line between "righteous" anger and indignation, and pure hate. When I start imagining that sort of vengence...the anger is slipping into hatred. 
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Comment #10 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 06:35:37 PT
We need a Resistance calendar
A Johnathan Magbie Day. An Alberto Sepulveda Day. A Charity and Veronica Bowers Day. Many victims will have to share days and every day will be a Holy Day...but we need calendars like that.
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Comment #9 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 06:31:50 PT
FoM
Do you know what page of the Post the articles have been on?Surely not the front.
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Comment #8 posted by Hope on October 02, 2004 at 06:30:18 PT
Like the Lovers of Forfeiture and Seizure said
"Hit em where it hurts em...in the pocketbook."It's the only place the Government has any feelings. It's the only thing they/it can feel. It's souless. The money is nothing...it can never bring the young man back...but it's a prick against the "Pricks"....which I mean as an ugly word in the last instance of it's use! My apologies, FoM. I want to say even uglier words. I personally can't sue the "Crusaders" sending their vile "messages"...Cussing is about all I can do. 
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Comment #7 posted by mayan on October 02, 2004 at 06:28:02 PT
Sue,Sue,Sue
I'm with EJ. Sue the hell out of them! We should sue them in every instance and every chance we get as long as we have a good chance to win. Hit these dolts in the pocketbook and they might think twice before screwing with someone else's life.I still can't believe the judge ordered this guy to jail. Then they shuffled him around like a UPS package? Unbelievable. God rest his soul.The way out is the way in...An October Surprise for Bush and the FBI? A CP/Bush Wars interview with Sibel Edmonds:
http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/sperry/9/11 COMMISSION COVERUP - THE MEDIA REPEATS A STORY FULL OF HOLES:
http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Cover_Up.htm Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil:
http://www.septembereleventh.org/alerts/ruppert.php9/11 - "Bush Knew" flash animation:
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html
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Comment #6 posted by E_Johnson on October 02, 2004 at 06:06:58 PT
Suing is valuing life
b4daylight, If the government wrecked your car, would you not sue to to compensated?This man's life was at least as valuable as a car, to his mother.
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Comment #5 posted by The GCW on October 02, 2004 at 05:32:24 PT
Caffeine and suing.
This news indicates, America needs credible drug law reform.420REFORMSuing (the money part) may just be a part of it. Suing may help change law.Suing to change policy, is added to everything else We do.Every little bit helps... even the advertising from the suit. etccc420ZZZZCaffeine Withdrawal Is Real!!!On addiction charts, caffeine is more addictive than Cannabis.http://www.drugwarfacts.org/addictiv.htm
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Comment #4 posted by Treeanna on October 02, 2004 at 05:13:40 PT
Suing is good
Civil action is the only recourse we citizens have in a corrupt society.And you can seek injunctive releif as well as money.Even when you only get money, and assuming there are no other benefits like publicity, higher levels of scrutiny by insurance companies, engenderment of public participation, etc, dont you think that an activist with a wad of cash will be a bit more effective?
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Comment #3 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on October 02, 2004 at 04:55:48 PT
OT: Caffeine Withdrawal Is Real
Withdrawal from caffeine is a real medical disorder, with symptoms including headache, fatigue, drowsiness, moodiness, lack of concentration, and even flu-like symptoms.Full story:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/30/health/webmd/main646620.shtml
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Comment #2 posted by b4daylight on October 01, 2004 at 23:42:54 PT
below
Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on October 01, 2004 at 23:32:48 PT
I hope his mother sues
When the state takes responsibility for a person's life, they'd better be able to live up to that responsibility.Wrong attitude.
Sueing people does nothing espically the government.
What needs to happen is for the American public to stand up with this and other events which are inhuman. We need to seek an end to the war and justice for these individuals who follow the law bilndly.
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Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on October 01, 2004 at 23:32:48 PT
I hope his mother sues
When the state takes responsibility for a person's life, they'd better be able to live up to that responsibility.
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