Getting Rid of Unwanted Weed

  Getting Rid of Unwanted Weed

Posted by CN Staff on January 13, 2004 at 10:12:23 PT
By Curtis Rush, Staff Reporter 
Source: Toronto Star  

Now that police have broken up the biggest pot growing operation in Canadian history, they face a second problem: how to dispose of 30,000 marijuana plants. "Something this large, there is no normal practice," said Barrie Police Sergeant George Cabral. "That may present some difficulty in itself." The plants will either be burned or buried. But there's so much stock, the police aren't exactly sure how they should proceed with the process.
And since the plants are in various stages of growth, many of them still in potting soil, police won't know exactly how much volume they're dealing with for several days."We're not talking pounds and pounds," Cabral said. "We're talking tons and tons."Authorities are considering the dilemma in the wake of a massive weekend bust. Police uncovered a sprawling marijuana grow operation hidden in plain sight in the former Molson brewery on Highway 400 near Barrie. The site held eating and sleeping quarters for up to 50 men, police said, and was capable of generating hundreds of millions of dollars. Nine men face charges in connection with the bust.More charges are expected as the investigation continues.Right now, police aren't even sure who will make the final decision on what's to be done with the piles of pot."We'll just have to wait to see what's going to be done," said Cabral. "They will have to be destroyed."Keith Solomon, director of the Centre for Toxicology at the University of Guelph, has some suggestions."The easiest thing would be to have it incinerated," Solomon said.Police are also considering shredding the plants, mixing it with other garbage and burying it."If it were buried, they have to make sure it's deep enough so that it wouldn't germinate," Solomon said. "If it's mixed with other garbage, it would be a lot of work to dig it up, but some people … might attempt to do that. So I suspect they'll incinerate it and won't tell anybody where they're doing it."Police have confirmed that whatever happens to the plants will happen at a secret location.But even if certain enthusiasts are able to attend an outdoor bonfire, they aren't likely to get much for their trouble, according to Solomon."The joke would be that people should stand downwind," Solomon said. "But the concentrations wouldn't be effective. All you'd get is a lung full of smoke, but it would be diluted because it mixes with the air and wouldn't be effective."For now, police are busy getting a handle on the enormous size of their bust and cataloguing the evidence."They're in doing photographs and video and cataloguing the various pieces," said OPP superintendent Bill Crate. Samples are being taken in order to forensically determine that the plants are marijuana. Those few samples will then be presented as evidence."We're not going to take 30,000 plants into court with us," Crate said.Note: Toxicologist suggests incineration is best route.Source: Toronto Star (CN ON)Author: Curtis Rush, Staff ReporterPublished: January 13, 2004Copyright: 2004 The Toronto Star Contact: lettertoed Website: Related Articles:Huge Marijuana Factory Was One Strange Joint Bust Worth $30-million, Police Say High on Big Brewery Bust 

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Comment #74 posted by FoM on January 20, 2004 at 09:53:37 PT
I am really sorry to read about how things are going for you. We haven't done anything about a old age retirement hippie home. We aren't sure what we going to do. It was a nice idea but in reality until the laws are changed it wouldn't be a wise thing to even consider. Maybe someday that dream can come true but if it doesn't it was a nice dream. 
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Comment #73 posted by SWAMPIE on January 20, 2004 at 09:42:32 PT
The Fun Of Life.........
 Thank you FoM,for your comment.I can only go to the library occasionally,and,yes,we are having a rough time of it.We got behind on rent and need to move our trailer out of the park,but have no other place to go.We are trying to get a social worker to help us with this.We own it,but it's too big to pull with a van.10x50'.Too bad you live so far away,we could start that "Hippie Retirement Home" that we all used to talk so fondly of! LOL!!! We'll make it somehow,but it's gonna be crowded in the van with 13 cats! Roxann won't give 'em up,and I'd be lost without them too.We have to be out next week.Life goes on.......Got a spare room in the barn?If so,call 330-801-8143 and I'll call you back.We don't have any minutes on the cell,but it works as a pager,and as soon as I can get to a phone I'll return it.ANYTHING is better than Roxann in bed for weeks at a time,as it has been.Sorry to remble,but I gotta vent sometimes.  Love ta all! KEN
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Comment #72 posted by yippierevolutionary on January 15, 2004 at 14:56:45 PT
I think we can all agree
Sean Hannity Sucks
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Comment #71 posted by FoM on January 15, 2004 at 11:08:04 PT
I thought how arrogant to say that he never suffered from depression. I'm glad he doesn't have illness in his family or money problems or marital problems. It must be nice to live up their above us all. It really got me angry when he said that and knowing Montel is very sick really upset me.
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Comment #70 posted by yippierevolutionary on January 15, 2004 at 10:52:41 PT
cloud7 I think that is wishful thinking
Now I dont know what Hannity's position on MM is but I doubt hes a strong supporter. Of all the right wing squawkers Hannity is the worst, the most whorish of all of them.He was like "I dont understand depression because it something I never went through" That scares me. People who have never been sick, or have never been down. 
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Comment #69 posted by cloud7 on January 14, 2004 at 15:27:55 PT
I thought it was an odd question too, it didnt fit into the conversation. One view would be that Hannity supports MM and wanted to illustrate that it's not a liberal or conservative issue.
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Comment #68 posted by yippierevolutionary on January 14, 2004 at 14:50:49 PT
I only read the transcript but
It seemed duffus like when hannity asked Montel who was talking about suffering from a terrible disease "are you a democrat or a republican" as if that point would decide whether or not he should feel empathy towards Montel.
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Comment #67 posted by Dankhank on January 14, 2004 at 12:40:09 PT
FOMyes, they did, but he got some pretty good shots in.He was firm that what grows out of the earth is the only thing that helps him.A giant step forward yesterday from Montel.Thanks, Man ...
Hemp N Stuff
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Comment #66 posted by FoM on January 14, 2004 at 10:58:31 PT
We stayed up to listen to Montel on that show. God Bless him for saying what he did but they hurried the medical marijuana issue thru quickly. I couldn't believe how rude they were to his feelings about the issue.
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Comment #65 posted by Nuevo Mexican on January 14, 2004 at 10:48:00 PT
How to frame the debate! Police destroy Medicine!
or better yet, (sample headline): Police plan to destroy 30 million dollars worth of Medicine, where's the outrage?This article points out how lame Democrats fall for the Republicans favorite, and most effective tool, framing the issue!We have this same technique used against Cannabis, and Cannabis activists' everyday, so it's time we call them on it!Frame the debate, and ignore 'the change the subject' tool, hammer them on why millions of dollars of high grade medicine should be destroyed? An honest answer would be: we have to demonize the evil weed, burning weed is the equivalent to burning witches, and though not subtle, the brain dead masses eat it up! 
From Buzzflash.comWe'll Grant This to the Republicans: They Know How to Frame Issues and Keep the Democrats on the Defensive. A BuzzFlash Interview with "Framing" Expert, UC Berkeley Professor George LakoffOn the first day that Bush came into office, the language completely changed coming out of the White House. The press releases all changed. One of the new expressions that came in was the term "tax relief." It evokes all of these things -- that taxation is an affliction that we have to get rid of, that it’s a heroic thing to do, that people who try to prevent this heroic thing are bad guys.The press releases went out to all the TV stations, all the radio stations, all the newspapers -- and soon the media started using the term "tax relief." That puts a certain frame out there: a conservative frame, not a progressive frame. Soon a lot of people are using the term "tax relief," and, before you know it, Democrats start using the term "tax relief," and shooting themselves in the foot. That’s a nice example of how language can evoke a way of understanding society, the world, economic policy, and so on, with just two words -- very, very simple. This happens all the time. need to continue to frame the issue, as has been taking place for the last few years, but with the huge bust in Canada, the question must be asked, why would Canada grow pot in flin flon, at the cost of millions of dollars, and then throw away millions of dollars worth of high-quality weed they got for....nothing, free! (stolen really)? To keep black market prices sky-rocketing, and the profits rolling!This must be infused in our letters to the editors, calls to news programs, articles in the paper, etc.What a waste of medicine, looks like it was all a set up from the beginning, can we get the inside scoop on the people arrested, this will reveal the agenda taking place!If it is members of the Liberal Party, were they planning on getting busted, knowing all the right people were paid off, (and what about the one that skipped the country, 'no big deal' was the reaction, huh?)This bush will backfire, as is already happening, as the previous post indicates.Headline should read:Scarry Marijuana plants replace PODS (hemlock and poison ivy) as most feared plant on Earth, run, Marijuana plants are coming!
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Comment #64 posted by The GCW on January 14, 2004 at 07:09:41 PT
Lawyer says public sees case as a joke.
Barrs said several popular comedians have already made jokes about the huge bust -- including Bette Midler, who called the massive plant "your one spot stop-and-shop," for booze and pot., January 14, 2004 Wacky weed?Lawyer says public sees case as a joke
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Comment #63 posted by The GCW on January 14, 2004 at 05:32:07 PT
Thank You.4204EVERFlin Flon is not needed anyway. When God created all those green plants and said they were good on the 1st page of the Bible, I have made note in reading the rest of the Bible after that 1st page and there isn't any place Biblically that says We must have a note from the government to use cannabis / kaneh bosm.I agree with Krieger & Reverend Damuzi."Krieger's win affirmed what many activists have attested since Canada wrote med-pot regulations: medical users shouldn't have to apply to the government to grow and possess for personal use. Krieger himself has never applied, as he always contended that the process was a sham." user busted despite constitutional exemption Cops seize pot and Tim Horton's gift certificateby Reverend Damuzi (10 Jan, 2004) 
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Comment #62 posted by lilgrasshoppah77 on January 14, 2004 at 00:07:13 PT:
This is insulting...
two words: Flin Flon Manitoba. Or izzat three words!? That place is widely understood to be a F***KUP, in the typical bureaucratic fashion. Anyhoo, I think of all the sick and dying peoples who would benefit from this... and all they can think to do is destroy it!Smart, real smart indeed!
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Comment #61 posted by Had Enough on January 13, 2004 at 23:36:38 PT
Things are moving along
NORML Launches First Ever "Smoke The Vote" Voter Registration Drive Montel speaking out, the 9th circuit court of appeals, LEAP, NORMAL's campaign, and others, things are going to happen.I've had enough and I'm sure you have too. Go Vote.
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Comment #60 posted by Max Flowers on January 13, 2004 at 22:52:25 PT
An unexpected hero emerges to lead the fray!?
Long live Montel Williams! He just moved to the head of the class as far as I'm concerned! He's the man. Now we're cooking.
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 22:39:51 PT
I missed it but it is repeating at 2 and I will watch it. Montel was great today.
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Comment #58 posted by Dankhank on January 13, 2004 at 22:35:56 PT:
Montel ...
was on Hannity and Colmes this eve.After a few minutes the talk turned to Medical Marijuana and Montel said that "right now I can get medical morphine, oxycontin, I can be addicted to any number of drugs that don't work for me. Marijuana works for me."For once SHannity's lying, fetid and hate-spewing mouth was shut and I thought I could see a strange cant to his shoulders as they faded out.
Hemp N Stuff
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 21:38:14 PT
Good job!
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Comment #56 posted by ekim on January 13, 2004 at 19:47:12 PT
this is great time for example of understanding
Why not turn the business in to something good for the people. make jobs and produce oil and fine herbs. heal -- just the fact that someone could be helped and to keep it from them is not example for those that follow.
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Comment #55 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 18:49:25 PT
You're too much too! LOL! It was a good show and I don't know how Montel got the nerve to do it but thank God he did!
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Comment #54 posted by ekim on January 13, 2004 at 18:46:16 PT
FoM your too much:)--- this has been a good day
Well the show is coming together. A speaker from Leap, Martha DeWolfe read her bio ( . Tim Beck the head of Detroit's med petition.( and two MI reps of Norml.
Jan 19 04 Cable Access KAl 07:00 PM Martha DeWolfe Detroit Michigan USA 
 Martha DeWolfe will be a phone in guest with Amos in the Evening to discuss the State of California's current and the City of Detroit's proposed medical pot laws, as well as LEAP and drug prohibition. 7 PM EST. Montel is courageous. When Emme asked who in the audience was against Montel using Cannabis I thought I would die. Not one person moved or raised a eyebrow. That spoke volumes to me and to the hundreds of thousands that were watching. I hope Montel will gather the facts on just how many Med Patients are currently allowed to carry cards in the Nine States. Over 7,500 in OR alone. I wonder how many are in CA. and the other States. I feel when this number is known it will shock many. Here is to Montel --------Oprah better hurry up.We all know what the Buzz will be on 
'National NORMLcast' every Wednesday evening   10:00 PM (eastern).Webcast Info 
Wed. Jan. 7, 2004
10:00 pm EST
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Comment #53 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 18:39:14 PT
Virgil and Everyone
I did find a PBS Show on the History of Opium.
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Comment #52 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 18:29:12 PT
I am just unenhanced
On M.A.S.H. they always called for morphine. On Montel he said heroin is a Schedule 1 narcotic. To me it seems like heroin would be needed to treat heroin addiction except the pill people want to sell methadone or whatever. They used to use heroin for pain. I quess I will have to look up the difference between morphine and heroin. I thought morphine a more refined heroin. I guess I will have to look it up. That is why Dr. Russo would be the one to ask.
It has been so long since I studied the effects of cannabis, I need to undertake some more personal research.Yes, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals would apply to the 9th Circuit. But still, they cannot have different standards for different circuits. That is why if it is appealed to the Supreme Court and they deny it, it would mean they felt the ruling was accurate and it applied everywhere. It gets complicated when you think what it means if they do not appeal it as another view could develop somewhere else and it would be different and have to be resolved.But even if you chose another state that did not have a MMJ program in the 9th Circuit, why would federal law be different in separate states because of state law? I realize the state could still have its own laws, but how can the federal government have federal laws that differ from state to state. Well, the Nazis won't want their total prohibition to have a hole in its defenses. It will have to be appealed.
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Comment #51 posted by mayan on January 13, 2004 at 18:22:58 PT
I haven't seen the show but it sounds like it was great! Imho, his show reaches the "other half" of society that isn't very knowledgable about the injustices of the drug war. His show will enlighten millions of housewives,househusbands and others who watch way to much tv and it will bring even more minds over to our side! These folks will in turn talk to their friends about the show. Support for medical cannabis has to be approaching 90%. Once again, why haven't we seen a national poll regarding support for medical cannabis in a very long while? Now would be a good time for one. Maybe the major mainstream media outlets were advised by the feds not to do any more since the lopsided results are very embarrassing for said feds! Regarding the above article, it would be interesting if we could somehow determine just how much money the Canadian government(taxpayers) will spend on this bust. If the people could see just how much of their money was spent from the initial investigation all the way through the trial and possible incarceration, I think they would be very pissed off. I mean, will this bust keep anyone from finding weed? If anything, it will only drive the price up a tiny fraction. Just what does this bust accomplish, really?The way out... Vindication... Courtesy of Mainstream Media: Visibility Project: Prior Knowledge/Government Involvement Archive:
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Comment #50 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 18:12:13 PT
I don't know either. An interesting TV show for TLC or Discovery Health Channel would be to explain about different plants and what they were used for. I also think it is interesting that the most beautiful plants are the ones that seem to be banned. It's like they have their own little flag that goes up and says see me!
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Comment #49 posted by E_Johnson on January 13, 2004 at 18:10:15 PT
"The question I have about the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is why it would not apply to everybody."I read that this decision only applies in the Ninth Distict, which means west of the Rockies, not even including Colorado. The Ninth District ruling only applies to federal law. The drug laws are redundant. There are both state and federal laws that both crominalize drug possession. The state laws apply even if the federal law doesn't.
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Comment #48 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 17:29:21 PT
I really appreciate your kind words. I feel sorry for my husband today. I'm angry at everything. I said if I had a sledgehammer I'd smash my computer! Now that's mad! LOL!PS: I wouldn't do that but I've sure felt like it today! The news is driving me crazy. It's hard to keep everyone getting along with everyone when there is too much idle time so I like lots of news! LOL!
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Comment #47 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 17:24:12 PT
I agree. Is opium pure or does it need to be processed? If it is natural even opium shouldn't be illegal. I think it takes a while to get strung out on opium but there again I am not sure. 
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Comment #46 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 17:22:39 PT
I guess I should at least try...
to be straight foward. Actually, I think the poppy seeds if eaten in bulk can lead to failing a drug test. I really do not know if they come from opium poppy or not, although I would not think so. But that really comes from my ignorant department.
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Comment #45 posted by goneposthole on January 13, 2004 at 17:22:26 PT
FoM says:
"I sure don't know much about anything today."You're a diamond in the rough, FoM.Don't be too hard on yourself.You help insure domestic tranquility. My hat goes off to you.
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Comment #44 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 17:16:59 PT
opium poppy is one kind of poppy
There must be different families inside the poppy family like orchids have all kinds of varieties. Bagel poppy seeds come from the bagel poppy, don't you reckon?I agree with you FoM, that plants belong to the people. Even if they were concerned about cocaine use, they should attack cocaine use and forget the plant. The plant belongs to the people and it is not for medicine. If there is herbal remedy, it should not need regulation unless it really is dangerous. 
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Comment #43 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 17:14:21 PT
I wonder if they check poppy seeds for chemicals since we spray the fields where they would be grown. I bet no one checks to see if poppy seeds for bagels are contaminated. I guess poppy seeds can be bought but I don't know how or where that would be legal and I don't know if they have any mind altering properties. I sure don't know much about anything today.
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Comment #42 posted by DeVoHawk on January 13, 2004 at 17:08:16 PT
Where do Poppy Seed Bagels come from?
I am curious if cannabis is the only exclusive schedule1 plant?
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 17:08:07 PT
I get so upset with all this sometimes. A plant is not a drug but a plant with medicinal properties. They have bunched plants with drugs and I think it's wrong. I won't defend opium or even coca because you can get addicted to opium but not cannabis. Coca I don't know about. I have never met a person who only uses cannabis that is hard to deal with. I have met a few who use cocaine and I don't like them. They get mean and nasty and down right hateful. Meth is the same way. I've seen the effects of meth and hate that drug. Cannabis makes a person gentler and kinder though.
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Comment #40 posted by global_warming on January 13, 2004 at 16:55:58 PT
ShouveIt Up Their CB Asses
These CP Fools will never stop dancing,
They make merry,In the light of the flames,That light the prisoners, Fate,WOE, to the imbiciles,That reach not for WISDOM,WOE, to the children,For they have not yet been born,WOE to my sisters and brothers,For we have not yet bonded,WOE to my burden,That seeks LOVE,And has been forgotten,..-gw
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Comment #39 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 16:48:43 PT
My thinking is
Heroin is the active ingredient from opium and that the poppy plant itself probably is schedule 1. Cocaine is the active ingredient isolated from the coca plant. The plants themselves probably are Schedule 1, although I am guessing. Of course anyone that every watched M.A.S.H. or reads about war knows the value of heroin for pain. Whoever supplies the heroin would have to have standards to insure safety and keep it in the pipeline. If you somehow got a prescription for heroin, you could not go out on the street and buy it and be legal. The same is true for cocaine. It has limited applications for numbing and stuff and has medical value and therefore is not in Schedule 1. Of course it is addictive and can be abused and meets the guidelines of schedule 2 on those three qualities. Coca leaf and coca paste like used in South America would not be recognized as having medical value. The source of the cocaine would have to be approved by the FDA and if you had a prescription it does not mean you could buy it off the street.The money people are not going to allow the plants because of the money involved. Smoking opium has medical value. When the British introduced it at gun point in China some of the people that took up the habit needed for pain. They could live a full and productive life as it is addictive but not deadly. Then when the Chinese government cracked down on the addicts many people died because opium was what kept them alive or able to deal with the pain. Anyway, I have read people died when opium was cut off.So really coca, opium, and cannabis bud have tremendous value on their own without extracting certain compounds. It would be important to a peasant, but it sure is not medicine to a government or the pill companies. And since the wealthy have won the class war, you see where we are.
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Comment #38 posted by mamawillie on January 13, 2004 at 16:35:55 PT
Montel's show is on Pot-Tv now
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 16:23:07 PT
Is Cannabis the only plant as a scheduled drug? Even heroin and cocaine are man made drugs. They don't mention the plants themselves except Cannabis do they?
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Comment #36 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 16:19:29 PT
FoM, we have years to find out if we are alive
The guidelines for Schedule 2 recognize it has medical value. It would be best for Dr. Russo to take this. A doctor would be able to prescribe something if the FDA approved the source, is the way I would think it would work.That is what will be interesting to find out about the UK with GW extracts. The taxpayer could be paying big money for extracts for the sick and prohibit cultivation because there is an approved extract of the same thing. Then the taxpayers say, please let them grow it and not suck the money out of the system.So, I think the fact that cannabis is actually a plant instead of addictive, dangerous drug will come to a brilliant illumination. They will say cannabis is not recognized as a drug for MS. We do not prescribe plants. Are you crazy? What have you been smoking?
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 16:00:22 PT
Montels recommending that cannabis be moved to Schedule II drug would make it available to those in states that don't even have a medical law on Cannabis on their books I would think. Am I right? Does anyone know?
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Comment #34 posted by mamawillie on January 13, 2004 at 15:59:09 PT
right on, Virgil
I don't live in one of the 9 states where it is legalized. But I do use it for my restlessleg syndrome and my bruxism. Restless leg may not be as bad as MSMy bruzism (teeth clenching) is wearing down the enamel of my teeth. I've actually had a tooth crack from it. I also have destroyed the inside of my mouth because of it (I involuntarily clamp down on the inside of my cheeks when I'm sleeping and my jaw gets locked). This happens both when I'm awake and when I'm asleep (they think it is a form of stress), but when I'm sleeping I do it much harder and more often. I have awoken with facial pain from it and some days I have no idea how I didn't break my front 2 teeth off. Of course, MJ is the only thing that stops that too.So I used this plant for muscle relaxation and I'm a criminal for it. Damn shame.
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Comment #33 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 15:47:52 PT

Montel told it like it was
Doesn't his show come from New York? He basically said I am a criminal, but it is life or death and a live criminal is better than a dead anything.I think he played it very well in stating that cannabis should be classified as Schedule 2. It is an impossible thing to argue on an intellectual level. It is flat impossible. Had GW gotten their extracts on the market for MS, it would have been bombshell time. The question I have about the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is why it would not apply to everybody. If I grow MLG for myself in California and I say it it is for medical reasons, why does the legal status under state law matter? It is a federal law that is not allowed to be applied because there is no commerce. It is the no commerce part that is significant and not the state law. So what if my sister grows it in North Carolina for her MS, why would federal law apply to her? It shouldn't. Where is the line on what is recognized as medical laughing grass. I could see that it takes state recognition to determine what has medical applications while the federal government says there are none. But because North Carolina does not recognize the medical value of cannabis for MS, why should she be a criminal under federal law because she lives in North Carolina and not one of 9 other states.All these lies sure has screwed up a lot of things. 
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Comment #32 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 15:46:19 PT

Nuevo Mexican 
I agree with you that it should have a big impact but we don't even have people who are regulars here saying much. Why the silence? Is it prejudice? Why aren't people happy about Montels show? Where is a news article. It sometimes seems people would rather talk about news that serves no purpose for us here then try to communicate an emotion about what is our issue.
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Comment #31 posted by Nuevo Mexican on January 13, 2004 at 15:36:57 PT

Montel did it right!
Mamawillie has got it right, I agree with your detailed assesment! Thank you! And thanks Montel!He explained things in a way I could never explain, whether to my wife, family members and friends, as Cannabis is attached to the 60's Culture I represented as I was a teenager. Thus, it has cultural baggage!I guess I still represent the 60's ideals, but things didn't turn out the way they thought.I am not a drain on our system, as Montel pointed out Cannabis allows him to be a productive citizen, and able to carry his own weight, as he can function with the proper medication.This show will have a huge impact!My sister called me to tell me (from accross the country)
it was on in the tire center where she was at getting her car fixed, as I was leaving the same message on my moms machine. I bet it was like that all over America!Middle America has been spoken to, thanks to Montel, spokesman for people who know suffering. Amazing!
The lock on daytime talk shows has been broken, only this time, he gets to stay on the air!You're not just heroic Montel, you are a role model for medical cannabis activists/patients everywhere! Be honest, real, compassionate, and willing to share your feelings, things we're learning how to do here at C-News! LOL!FOM is our Montel! What a day!
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Comment #30 posted by E_Johnson on January 13, 2004 at 15:34:18 PT

His book is selling well
He's ranked 64 at
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 15:22:03 PT

The Sounds of Silence
What is really bothering me is no story has been published about what Montel said today. I know it is early but the AP usually is fairly quick with an article. I don't like the sounds of silence.
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Comment #28 posted by E_Johnson on January 13, 2004 at 15:20:16 PT

The front page of the NYT
Paul Martin, practically sitting in Bush's lap.Proving that things can be accomplished by working together.
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Comment #27 posted by E_Johnson on January 13, 2004 at 15:15:39 PT

I sent my ACLU fax 
I wonder how they're doing, if they're getting a lot of responses from the show. The daytime audience becomes younger and more liberal when unemployment is high. Montel has a loyal following. Bush is in trouble now. He may be able to beat Dean but he's got nothing on Montel.I was thinking, when he was talking about weightlifting -- anandamide!He and Bush have that in common -- a dedication to raising their own anandamide.Meanwhile, Dean looks like he doesn't follow his doctor's advice at all. He needs to lose weight and exercise.
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Comment #26 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 14:23:04 PT

I think how you said it is right. He is fighting for his life and we should be the ones fighting for legalization. Sick people can't go that far. The disease itself stops them dead in their tracks.
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Comment #25 posted by mamawillie on January 13, 2004 at 14:18:02 PT

About Montel's show
I'm watching it right now and he put it out there that medical marihuana is THE ONE AND ONLY THING that is keeping him from being a drag on society. he said if he was using Oxy or morphine, he'd be an addict and on disability. Medical MJ KEEPS him from being an addict and keeps him a productive taxpaying member of society.This is a really good show.He also stated he isn't fighting the battle for legalization for everyone. He said he's fighting his battle, which is to get it from schedule I to schedule II. He said if you want it legalized, then YOU go fight for legalization... which I think he means.. he's out there fighting for it in some way, now it is time for everyone who believes in it to stand up. I saw it as a call to action, and not passing the buck.He is also very adamant that it is NOT addictive, that doctors DO believe in the medicinal qualities of MJ, and that is is studied and there are experts out there and this isn't some this is your brain on drugs drug (my pharaphrase...)
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Comment #24 posted by goneposthole on January 13, 2004 at 13:34:18 PT

Sam Adams
It has to be. There can't be any other explanation.  Must be good for independent, small growers. Support your local grower. 
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Comment #23 posted by Sam Adams on January 13, 2004 at 13:26:43 PT

Why were the growers so blatant?
Simple: because they had the approval of LEO and the government, through bribery. I've posted before here about Canadian MJ coming down in 18-wheelers.  Hint: it's all an inside job! 

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Comment #22 posted by freedom fighter on January 13, 2004 at 13:20:29 PT

One by one!
.............................................snippedHarris has pledged to continue Hallinan's practice of supporting patients receiving medical marijuana, refusing to seek the death penalty and prosecuting three-strike offenders only for serious or violent felonies. "It takes much more than building prisons and locking away prisoners to keep our city safe," Harris said. She said she would not compromise on her resolve "to protect our loved ones who need medical marijuana. Those who need medical marijuana, I want you to know that I will defend your rights and vigorously oppose any encroachment on them by outside agencies.'' ........... snipped I like about the article is the title. It's "New D.A. promises to be 'smart on crime' 
Harris speaks well of Hallinan, will continue some of his policies "Now, who will be the next prosecutor to come out of the closet and be smart about crime?pazff
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Comment #21 posted by goneposthole on January 13, 2004 at 13:07:09 PT

four ounces yield per plant
one-fourth of a pound per plant is 75 hundred pounds of marijuana. That is 3.75 tons of marijuana. It is not tons and tons. Twenty-five hundred dollars per pound, the total value is 18,750,000 Canadian dollars. At four grand per pound, the value is thirty million Canadian dollars.Something is still fishy about this growop. Why would these growers be so blatant? Make it all into paper and print money or rolling papers. The total weight will print a lot of Canadian or US dollars. It would be a shame to waste it all.
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 13:02:42 PT

A Comment About The Show
Montel did a wonderful job speaking out for the medicinal value of Cannabis but he has a control problem in my opinion. When a person has a terminal illness this is not uncommon. It's a stage where the person feels that as long as they keep a stiff upper lip that the disease will not progress. At some point this will pass and the realization that we can't control anything in life will settle in and that is the acceptance stage of a terminal disease. It frees a person then to enjoy what time they have left and it could be years. That's what I thought after watching the program.
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 12:44:35 PT

ACLU Action Alert
Support the “Medical Necessity” Defense for Medical Marijuana 
 Medical marijuana is the only hope that some seriously ill patients have for relieving chronic pain, intractable nausea and the other side effects of chemotherapy, radiation treatment, and HIV/AIDS medications. Yet the Drug Enforcement Agency continues to prosecute sick people under federal law.Even in the nine states where medical marijuana is legal under state law, patients may have their assets seized, their medical marijuana destroyed, face massive fines and be imprisoned by federal courts. Federal prosecutors and judges often bar juries from hearing testimony about patients’ medical need for marijuana and instead present these patients as run-of- the-mill drug users.The “Truth in Trials Act” (H.R. 1717) is the first-ever medical marijuana bill in the U.S. House of Representatives and will help prevent sick people from being labeled as criminals. By amending the Controlled Substances Act, the Truth in Trials Act allows medical marijuana users to indicate the “medical necessity” of their marijuana use during criminal trials. Another important provision requires the government to return seized marijuana to patients after a determination that it was for legitimate medical use.Take Action! Urge your Representatives to support H.R. 1717 and defend the rights of sick people! The War on Drugs has become a war on sick people.
Even though eighty percent of Americans support the medical use of marijuana and nine states have legalized it, the federal government continues to prosecute patients under federal law – subjecting them to massive fines, seizure of their property, and possible imprisonment all in the name of the “War on Drugs.” Medical marijuana users are not criminals.
Medical marijuana users are guilty of nothing more than alleviating pain and nausea. Patients do not use marijuana to “get high.” They often use medical marijuana in place of powerful prescription drugs that cause debilitating side effects and leave them in drug-induced stupors. While many prescription pain medications are highly addictive, marijuana is relatively inexpensive, offers few or no side effects and is not physically addictive. Patients should have the right to tell their entire story to juries.
Without the “medical necessity” defense created by the Truth in Trials Act, patients are often barred from presenting any evidence that they possess marijuana for medical use. Juries may come to uninformed verdicts, misconstruing patients as recreational drug users.TAKE ACTION! Send a Free FAX in 2 Clicks!
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 12:35:20 PT

Oh My
Now he is talking about medicinal cannabis. This is wonderful.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 12:15:52 PT

I'm watching it now and it's making me cry.
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Comment #16 posted by The GCW on January 13, 2004 at 12:07:10 PT

Cannabis is known as many things, BUT 
"Unwanted Weed", is not one of them!That cannabis is wanted by citizens around the world!!!!&! There are poor people around the globe...Who ever claims those plants are unwanted, should be questioned!&In case You haven't heard: Democratic Presidential nominee, Dennis Kucinich, put in writing that as PRESIDENT He WILL: 
"DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA" -"in favor of a drug policy that sets reasonable boundaries for marijuana use by establishing guidelines similar to those already in place for alcohol." (POSTED ON His website!) 	

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Comment #15 posted by TecHnoCult on January 13, 2004 at 12:06:31 PT

The show was excellent. Really emotinally moving. He two segments, 15 minutes on medical cannabis. He was passionate about it too. I don't think this has been done on daytime television before.
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Comment #14 posted by jose melendez on January 13, 2004 at 11:52:16 PT

ask Dr. Solomon: is pot really poison?
Sometimes antis claim to be ignorant of such issues. Perhaps a kindly worded letter or email containing some real statistics on this issue would help Dr. Keith Solomon*:      Director, Centre for Toxicology University of Guelph
  Bovey Bldg., Gordon St.
  Guelph, Ontario
  N1G 2W1  Email: ****
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Comment #13 posted by jose melendez on January 13, 2004 at 11:42:13 PT

here's a great related letter to the editor
This Barrie pot factory is getting lots of press. This letter contrasts the efficiencies of industry vs. Flin FLon styled flops. Heavy metals, anyone? If you are in journalism, just don't mention it.
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Comment #12 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 11:37:46 PT

Strange Brew
They need to make Strange Brew II. I thought about this movie since they were grown in vats! LOL!
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Comment #11 posted by jose melendez on January 13, 2004 at 11:30:04 PT

let me get this staright
They can feed dead cattle to livestock intended for human consumption, but not figure out that cannabis is food?Chances are the illicit stuff contains no heavy metals or poisons, as is rumored in the suppressed Flin Flon crops. 
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 11:21:02 PT

Hi Swampie
You sure have had things go badly for you but it is good to know you are still kicking. Hang in there.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 11:19:07 PT

Not yet! It comes on at 3 ET for me. We just got a phone call from a friend and he had just stumbled on to the show and called us right away. He isn't someone who follows our news so I expect the show to be good.
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Comment #8 posted by SWAMPIE on January 13, 2004 at 11:17:03 PT

Hi,all! just stopped in!
  Goood article! Wish I could get a sample! We are alive and alive,but not doing too well.Got the '04 blues, and things arent gettin' any better.Got evicted from a trailer park of all things!So much for Government help!(SSI)I'll be in touch soon,hope everyone's OK.Take care..................SWAMPIE
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Comment #7 posted by TecHnoCult on January 13, 2004 at 11:07:13 PT

Did anyone watch Montel today?
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Comment #6 posted by goneposthole on January 13, 2004 at 10:55:09 PT

just too much
Greedy, capitalistic pigs are what these growers were. What more could they expect? A trip to the moon on gossamer wings?Again, keep it simple, stupid.
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Comment #5 posted by VitaminT on January 13, 2004 at 10:40:31 PT

Stupid Cops
They've just managed to steal $100,000,000.00 worth of the Good Green Herb and all they can think of is how to get rid of it!?!Canada has a Medical Pot program but we're going to bury all this herb!!!! Who's running the show up there? MORONS!
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 10:40:15 PT

That was so good! No coke to trade! I love it!
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Comment #3 posted by aocp on January 13, 2004 at 10:38:03 PT

give it to me!!
I'm a medicinal user and use it frequently as an anti-depressant. Really. Although i don't have any coke to trade for it, i will gladly help the canadian narcs in their desire to rid themselves of such evil ORGANIC material. Cheers.
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Comment #2 posted by FoM on January 13, 2004 at 10:27:41 PT

That's a Lot Of Cannabis To Burn
How will they get rid of it all? 
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Comment #1 posted by Virgil on January 13, 2004 at 10:25:34 PT

Chavez of Venezula and the need to change
The countries of the America's are having a summit of the Americas in Monterrey, Mexico. Last night, Chavez spoke. This article is informative, but more importantly it will give a standard to judge the work coming from NarcoNews when they report on the Summit- says things have to change and of course the Nazis would rather just change him.
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