Martin To Roll His Own Pot Bill

Martin To Roll His Own Pot Bill
Posted by CN Staff on December 18, 2003 at 16:25:40 PT
By Jim Brown, Canadian Press 
Source: Globe and Mail 
Ottawa — Prime Minister Paul Martin says he'll press ahead with legislation, first proposed under Jean Chrétien, to eliminate criminal penalties for possession of small amounts of marijuana.But he hinted Thursday he'd like to see a new definition of what constitutes a "small amount" and invited a parliamentary committee to consider lowering the limit from the original proposal of 15 grams.
Mr. Martin told reporters he sees a health risk in pot use and observed that "any doctor will tell you it's far from the best thing for you."On the central point of the law, however, he insisted that it achieves "absolutely nothing to give a criminal record to young people caught with minimal amounts."The bill brought in under Mr. Chrétien, which died on the House of Commons order paper last month, will be reintroduced when MPs return to work in the new year, Mr. Martin said.He then offered suggestions for fine-tuning it before it becomes law."I think that one's got to take a look at the fines. I think that you have to take a look the quantities, and I think that there has to be a larger effort against the grow-ops and against those who distribute."In a year-end interview Thursday with CPAC, the parliamentary public affairs channel, Mr. Martin confided he'd never smoked pot but said his wife Sheila once made some brownies "and I must say they had a strange taste."The Supreme Court of Canada is set to rule next week on whether the current marijuana law violates the Charter of Rights by mandating criminal penalties, including potential jail time, for simple possession.Mr. Martin's comments signalled that — even if the high court upholds the constitutionality of the present regime — he will move to reform it anyway.The bill tabled last spring by then-justice minister Martin Cauchon did not propose outright legalization of marijuana. But it made simple possession a minor offence, punishable by a range of fines, somewhat like traffic violations.Mr. Cauchon denied the government was going soft on drugs, pointing out that the legislation maintained or increased the already stiff jail terms for illicit growers and traffickers.All the same, the bill provoked the ire of hardliners in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.John Walters, the White House director of drug policy, complained Canada was out of step with the rest of the western hemisphere.Paul Cellucci, the U.S. ambassador to Ottawa, warned of long lineups at border points as American customs officers scrutinize visitors from the north.Mr. Martin, who has promised to improve relations with Washington, nevertheless dismissed suggestions that Ottawa should bow to American concerns on this issue."We are an independent nation," he told CTV in another yearend interview Thursday."We will make decisions based on our values and our interests. We're not going to make these kinds of decisions based on what somebody else thinks. We'll base them on what Canadians think."Aside from the U.S. criticism, there was opposition to the original bill from backbench Liberal MPs, many of them well-known supporters of Mr. Martin's bid for the party leadership.Mr. Cauchon, who was dropped from cabinet last week, had tried to deflect that attack by opening the door to possible amendments, among them:• Lowering the limit for non-criminal possession to 10 grams of marijuana.• Increasing fines for repeat offenders. The original bill provided for penalties of between $100 and $400, depending on whether the offender was a juvenile or an adult.• Ensuring illicit growers will do jail time and not be let off with conditional sentences. The bill had already proposed to double the maximum sentence for growers to 14 years from the current seven, but critics say judges rarely impose the maximum and too often let offenders off with probation or community service. Note: Online Edition Newshawk: afterburnerSource: Globe and Mail (Canada)Author:  Jim Brown, Canadian Press Published: Thursday, December 18, 2003 Copyright: 2003 The Globe and Mail CompanyContact: letters globeandmail.caWebsite: Articles & Web Site:Cannabis News Canadian Links Court To Issue Ruling Soon on Pot Law Toke or Not To Toke? Flashback On Tap - Edmonton Sun
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Comment #37 posted by Floyd on December 19, 2003 at 16:49:44 PT
Thanks for the balanced, open-minded approach to the situation. =)
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Comment #36 posted by afterburner on December 19, 2003 at 09:49:53 PT:
Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, Take Note.
[Although opinions are not unanimous, there is substantial medical evidence indicating the medical efficacy of marijuana. The American Medical Association Council on Scientific Affairs has reported that "anecdotal, survey, and clinical data" 
demonstrate marijuana's medical usefulness. The National Institutes of Health stated that "Marijuana looks promising enough 
to recommend that there be new controlled studies done." Groups ranging from the American Cancer Society to Kaiser Permanente 
support access to or research on medical marijuana.Individual doctors agree. In one survey, more than 70 percent of American cancer specialists said they would prescribe 
marijuana if it were legal; nearly half said they have urged their patients to acquire the drug irrespective of the law. A 
poll of the British Medical Association yielded similar results.The New England Journal of Medicine has backed access to medical marijuana. In May Lancet Neurology pointed out that 
marijuana had proved effective against pain in lab tests and could become "the aspirin of the 21st Century." In a recent 
issue of Brain journal, researchers at London's Institute of Neurology reported: "In addition to symptom management, cannabis 
may also slow down the neurodegenerative processes that ultimately lead to chronic disability in multiple sclerosis and 
probably other diseases." Policy analyst Paul Armentano reports that an Oxford University study published in Clinical 
Rehabilitation found that marijuana aided MS patients in bladder relief, pain relief, and spasticity.Earlier this year the American Nursing Association supported legalizing access to therapeutic marijuana. So did the New York 
State Association of County Health Officials.This doesn't mean there aren't risks in smoking pot, or that it is the best medicine for everyone under all 
circumstances. But marijuana should be a legal option in a society that styles itself both compassionate and free.
--Where’s The Compassion? ] 
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on December 19, 2003 at 09:30:44 PT
Related Article from The Toronto Star
Martin Rehashes Pot Bill:
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Comment #34 posted by Virgil on December 19, 2003 at 08:01:43 PT
Ruling will be live on pot-tv at 9:30 Tuesday
Cannabis Culture mentions the announcement and says pot-tv will have live coverage on Tuesday at 9:30 AM. We are within 95 hours of what could be a beautiful Christmas present for Freedom. 
Pot-tv coverage at 9:30 AM on Tuesday
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Comment #33 posted by jose melendez on December 19, 2003 at 02:49:07 PT
The American drug warrior is the single largest contributor to terrorism in the world.
drug war is defined in Constitution: Article III, Section 3 - AS TREASON!
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Comment #32 posted by yippierevolutionary on December 18, 2003 at 23:28:33 PT
Burning Hemp
Would it make more sense to grow a sustainable hemp crop for heating your house? Of course you would have to live in A free country but that aside?
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Comment #31 posted by mayan on December 18, 2003 at 22:56:51 PT
30 Grams
But he hinted Thursday he'd like to see a new definition of what constitutes a "small amount" and invited a parliamentary committee to consider lowering the limit from the original proposal of 15 grams.Wait a minute! Wasn't the original proposal for 30 grams? Before you know it it will be down to 2 grams! 
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on December 18, 2003 at 22:56:44 PT
That is a lot of money. We get very big pickup trucks full to overflowing for $50. Your figures on what it would cost to heat with wood seem about right. It would be around $350 for a winter.
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Comment #29 posted by aolbites on December 18, 2003 at 21:52:37 PT
FoM - It Costs a LOT
I Wish i had the land to harvest from a sustainable tree lot... heard you can get a cord a year per acre if you treat your trees right, tho i am stuck with propane - price is already $1.80+ cap is $1.91/gal this year!!!! gonna take over 600 - 800 gal for this season, and everything in my place [ be glad that you are in a sustainable situation ... [and don't even get me started on electricity, even with all CF bulbs .. .12c+/kW is a lot.][check out Rinnai water heaters, up front cost is big, but save in the long run .. ] or google - rinnai waterps. WARNING!! aquastar is Not a good idea in cold climates, i had negative air issues from my fireplace and it froze solid and burst $1000 down the drain =( - tho i prob saved that even in the short time i've had it installed .. just hate the waste.
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Comment #28 posted by afterburner on December 18, 2003 at 21:52:34 PT:
Hear Canadian PM Martin & Justice Minister Cotler
Newshawks: Paul Martin on Pot
Newshawks with Pot-TV
Running Time: 5 min 
Date Entered: 18 Dec 2003
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Comment #27 posted by Virgil on December 18, 2003 at 21:22:25 PT
Bill Mahre
He is a big pot personality and a hater of hypocrisy. He had a good line on Arnold taking winning election with something like "Now he will be able to read you your rights in the original German." I look for him to now get a doctor's recommendation and up the ante in the big game's pot.
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Comment #26 posted by yippierevolutionary on December 18, 2003 at 20:54:19 PT
more about light bulbs
Virgil have you read Bill Mahr's when you ride alone you ride with Bin Laden? That was his big complaint that Bush didn't produce a visionary energy policy to stop using foriegn oil. His basic logic was oil=terrorism so its our patriotic duty to conserve. Bill Mahr is a very good man. Anyone who preaches the gospel of hemp is good in my opinion. Did anyone catch him on Larry King? A medical marijuana patient from Canada called thanking Bill for saving his mothers life by telling her about medical marijuana.Bill dates really hot models too.
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Comment #25 posted by yippierevolutionary on December 18, 2003 at 20:49:00 PT
Virgil I love your gift idea
It's consumption that reduces consumption. 
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Comment #24 posted by Nuevo Mexican on December 18, 2003 at 20:39:18 PT
Repost: The 23rd in the BEST day!
As it is a New Moon! (Rule #1: Always plant on the New Moon Gardeners!)And in the sign of Capricorn to boot, the sign that has rulership over guess what? Yes, Cannabis/ hemp, (both). This bodes well as the day is blessed for activities that occur at this time, so we shall see! My faith keeps getting rewarded, as all our faith in the positive outcome will be rewarded, that is the point of faith, or positive thinking, it is self perpetuating!(NOte: People born under Earth signs seem to overwhelmingly love cannabis, Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn , but I've yet to find a sign that doesn't indulge to some extent, water signs are next on the 'big fan' list, Fire signs do like to 'party', Sag especially, and are generally 'special occasions' tokers. The Air signs seem to get 'spaced out' easily and consider themselves 'lightweights', or one-hitters!) What the Stars say: (the body of God or Dog (respectfully) and their 'light' represents the 'spirit' of God, or the All-That-Is) :Everything in the uni-verse (one song) has a planetary deva (angel) the 'governs' it, and the New Moon is when you plant seeds for the greatest, most successful and most 'effortless' crop! Co-incidence or what! The full moon is when you harvest! Age old wisdom, farmers and fisherman follow these 'rules' to know when the optimum time is for their activities. Remember Benjamin Franklin and the Old Farmers Almanac. Plant by the moon, harvest by the moon, ancient wisdom that man has had to live by for his very survival!This decision is truly being ordained from the 'TOP'. The walls of prohibition have crumbled, and there will be no putting them back, (if the walls were made of hemp bale, like straw bale, but far superior) they would never crumble, but having been made of our worst fears and illusions, these walls will never stand the test of time.The likelyhood of this being a positive decision is high!Only one glitch, Mercury the messenger is Rx, (Retrograde, or appearing to go backwards, even though it is an illusion only). The up side, this decision is a review of previous ones, and should stand up to scrutiny, the down side, something may be re-viewed or revisited again, but thats okay, it usually favors the decisions thoroughness.Act as though, and it will be, so they say!
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Comment #23 posted by afterburner on December 18, 2003 at 19:38:30 PT:
Recrim, not Decrim
Recrim, not Decrim
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on December 18, 2003 at 19:10:17 PT
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! Happy Holidays!
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Comment #21 posted by gloovins on December 18, 2003 at 19:08:43 PT
Yes, I agree, its time to be festive n celebrate
But can I ask everyone for a prediction on Ashcroft's Justice Dept.'s response to the 9th's most recent ruling, the injuction, against the 1970 CSA?....I think they will wait till after the holidays and then call up the Supreme-ies and we will lose. I'm sorry, but the state of the nation now, the history of OVER-ruling the 9th circut and all, well, I'm just being pessimistic because then you don't get burned but I do HOPE it is ignored by them and it becomes the rule of law of the land which is very unstable now, no? Just a thought.Now, in the immortal words of Jimi Hendrix, "'Scuse me, while I kiss the sky..."
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on December 18, 2003 at 19:07:17 PT
We've saved fuel and that makes me feel good. We have had the same wood stove since 79 and use it to heat our house. Only trees are cut that need to be cut so we aren't wasting trees. I don't know how people afford oil heat. I have no idea what it costs to heat a house with oil.
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Comment #19 posted by Virgil on December 18, 2003 at 19:00:19 PT
You know what makes me shake my head? It is that people do not use flourescent bulbs. I started using the little tube flourescents 20 years ago and it has been about 10 years since I changed all bulbs to the compact flourescent bulbs. I say this because it is an excellent gift.I have tried to tell people to buy these bulbs but people are so set in their ways, you about have to give them one so that they see they are wonderful because you do not have to change them. Usually the compact flourescents say they use about one-fourth the electricity of an incadescent bulb. Big lots has a 40-watt bulb they claim uses only 7 watts. That is another thing about the stupid president. If he did not come out and say we need an energy policy that promotes consumption and prove his stupidity, you could label him stupid because he does not ask people to start using these more efficient bulbs.I can understand prohibition living because people have not even figured out to use compact flourescent bulbs. In 20 years I have only changed about 5 bulbs and only 2 compact flourescents in 10 years. They make a great gift and a better world. 
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Comment #18 posted by FoM on December 18, 2003 at 18:54:06 PT
I am so glad that they got that picture of him off the news. I finally can tolerate at least having the news on a little while now. They got Michael on and even that's better then him. I really don't want to bring him into the talking here. It's a time of year we really need to unwind and hope for good decisions on the different cannabis rulings.
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Comment #17 posted by gloovins on December 18, 2003 at 18:50:05 PT
Saddam n cannabis
Ok I know FoM you dislike politics but can I dare say we need to pool our money & send this man to the 2004 Cannabis Cup? Yo, I got $5 on it...
Pretty stressed out fmr-leader 'o Iraq...Dude, where's your, country?
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Comment #16 posted by Virgil on December 18, 2003 at 18:48:17 PT
Yippie I Aye
Martin cannot sabatoge the decision because it is already made. What I wonder about Martin is how long he will last. The elections are in the spring and he would be lucky if the Supreme Court is not bent by political forces in declaring the prohibition laws a bad memory.My thinking is the newly elected mayor of Toronto has not weighed in because of this decision. If it is history he will not need to address the issue. There sure is not much coming out of Canada. It is all very exciting, especially when you think your team is a big favorite to win.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on December 18, 2003 at 18:47:43 PT
Something Funny
I'm listening to a local classic rock channel and the DJ said today is Keith Richards Birthday. He is 60 he said it's a miracle he's still alive but he looks 100 years old. He said it was probably because of all the drugs that he's taken that makes him look so old but this is what's funny. He said but maybe the drugs were a good thing and acted as a preservative! LOL!
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Comment #14 posted by gloovins on December 18, 2003 at 18:44:17 PT
Hey now...
I wonder what kind of joint conference these two had when apparently they were friends....Don 'n Saddam, buddies n in the '80's...meanies in time just changes so much, but hey we can grow "hemp" in Canada now.... Thank God
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Comment #13 posted by yippierevolutionary on December 18, 2003 at 18:42:25 PT
The meaning of Christmas
I do not want any stuff for Christmas. My mom asked me what I want for Christmas and I said "nothing!". But at the same time I love giving gifts and believe in the power of gifts which is why I will only be giving food as presents because it is somethine people truly need and doesn't end up in the attic or the garbage dump. I hate how they have perverted Christmas into this stressful time of consumerism.Not to be a grinch but I also don't think Christmas lights are a good idea, millions of incandescent bulbs powered by electricity produced from burning coal and giving me and millions other asthma. Let's reclaim the true spirit of Christmas!!
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Comment #12 posted by The GCW on December 18, 2003 at 18:39:35 PT
I wonder if Martin screwed His wife?
I mean, if He says she made cannabis brownies, that may have put her on the black list that prohibits here from visiting the U.S. which may matter once The Bushbomb is out of DC. and they want to visit...And then what about Martin revealing that He ate them?Will He now be banned?
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Comment #11 posted by yippierevolutionary on December 18, 2003 at 18:37:21 PT
Sam no this is bad
Martin is trying to sabatoge the decision that cannabis prohibition is unconstitutional with an appeasement decrim bill. Living in America its hard to imagine hoping a decrim bill doesn't pass, but it is the legslatures failure to enact a policy that has led the courts to action, am I right?But look at how positive this is!!! It truly is a win win situation for our side. The question is whether its a huge colossul win or a minor win.(well except for doubling the jail time for growers, is that still in the bill?)So we must root for Martin to fail and freedom to succeed.System what you're saying about consumption is the central problem that came with civilization, the ability to horde. That is why we can never be satisfied and we always need more because you can always horde more away. Perhaps Cannabists substitute the immidiate gratification of aquiring a cool new thing for a more sublime enjoyment of the pleasures of life.
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on December 18, 2003 at 18:27:55 PT
Oh my how we love Stuff! Stuff is what Americans seem to need above all things. Stuff breaks and then we need to buy more Stuff. Stuff isn't what life is all about in my opinion. The best things in life are Free! I got my Stuff ordered for Christmas and will be glad when I don't need to think if I've ordered all the Stuff I think I might need. It's crazy!
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Comment #9 posted by SystemGoneDown on December 18, 2003 at 18:23:30 PT
The United States of Discrace...
The empire of consumerism. The nation of materialism. The land of Greed. In America, everyingthing is about money and nothing more. The American way is to get you to keep hunting. To keep you searching for more. To keep you spending and consuming to reach "the American Dream". So if one decides that happiness is coming home to a nice hit of a bong, does this not constitute freedom to pursuit happiness? Of course it does, but don't tell them that.There's no question in my mind that the slave masters in the white house and in the tall corporate buildings DON'T WANT YOU TO BE HAPPY. The Dhali Lama once said "The purpose of EVERYONE'S life is to find happiness". And the common way we've been taught as Americans, to find this happiness, is to consume. Spend. We all know stories and perhaps have some of our own of how we mowed lawns, ran paper routes, and did chores to get what we want. Everyone has a story about how as a youngster, they tried so hard to scrap up enough to dough to get a stereo. To get a video game system. To get a new rims on your Mustang. This is the American way, to have the freedom to shoot for whatever you want. However I've learned something about America through the marijuana legalization debate. As our country progresses to the most powerful nation on the planet, and our capatalism evolves into a large organization of robots and computers, the vast majority of the things that we spend are not essential to our survival. However we spend to meet the satisfactory standards that we set for ourselves. But do WE set those standards? TV and internet are filled with advertisements and everything we consume our time with involves some type of promotion to get your money. However, our human potential has reached it's peak. While our lives remain safe and constant, our actions are inhibited and life in general has become pointless. No longer can most people appreciate the physical aspects of life that is blinded by our world of unworldly arcitechture. Some people however, find this lost point of view by smoking cannabis. It is my opinion that most people are either full-time weed smokers, scared to be a weed smoker but want to be a weed smoker, or an alcoholic. Our lives are filled with drugs to escape the reality that life has no purpose. People that smoke cannabis no longer feel the need to spend and consume. All that they need is already there. Laughter, joy and appreciation of the senses overthrow the need push and stride. That's why they say "marijuana lowers your motivation". And our culture succesfully demonizes that. THEY strike that fear that you are lower than other people if you use marijuana. THEY refuse to comform with the truth. Pleasure overrides any material possession they bust their ass to get. So the Pot smoking nation, I think is a less spending consumer nation. And if the secret of pot happiness is got out there, there would be less spending and less dollars being made by the mass conglomerates, hence killing the American way of life... which we are all learning is BULLSH -T. As we learn how we've been enslaved by this country, marijuana will be there to let you know..... Everything is OK. You are alive and George Bush can't take that from you. If they see pot smokers as a threat to consumerism, then we don't need to justify why we smoke herb in the first place. If we are a threat, then this country's System was flawed to begin with. Brad Pitt played a mental patient in '12 Monkeys', but as a mental patient, he actually had a great quote....."Buy alot of stuff, your a good citizen. But if your don't buy alot of stuff, what are you the?....mentally ill".............Or just a peaceful pothead............. 
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Comment #8 posted by Sam Adams on December 18, 2003 at 18:20:05 PT
I think this is really good
If I was Martin and I knew the Supreme Court was about to strike down the MJ laws, this is exactly what I would do. I would position myself on the winning side.  If any major reform happens, it's going to quickly turn into a feel-good celebration up there, I wouldn't want to rain on the parade and be Mr. Sore, Grumpy Loser politician.From what I read last year, this guy was expected to be far more conservative than Chretien on this bill, no one expected him to re-file it. Something made him change his mind.
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Comment #7 posted by ekim on December 18, 2003 at 18:19:56 PT
if US appeals the 9th Kubby should be able to stay
Mr. Martin confided he'd never smoked pot but said his wife Sheila once made some brownies "and I must say they had a strange taste."Paul hear what you are sayen. They had a "strange taste" you have first hand knowledge-- why so hard on such small amounts. The myth about the ill effects should be laid to rest. This is a new century, with great hope and much excitement. Canada has lead the way for rights for human beings. {Stopped Prohibition. Regulated Alcohol.} {Right to Choose. Health Care for all.} {Cannabis Prohibition. Medical Use of Cannabis. Growing Hemp.} Now it is your turn how will you be remembered, Jean had his chance. Stand up for your wife Sheila, stop the Govt from making her feel like she did something wrong.
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Comment #6 posted by Virgil on December 18, 2003 at 18:08:37 PT
Kucinich will be on TV at 10 PM
From is the first of the candidates to appear in this new series on LINK TV. Each candidate will appear in one of these one hour, in-depth interviews.The info sent out by LINK TV is below:LINK LETTER 12/12/2003
===========================================================LINK TV CONNECTS CITIZEN'S GROUPS WITH PRESIDENTIAL 
(Premiere: Thursday, 12/18   10PM ET / 7PM PT)
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Comment #5 posted by sukoi on December 18, 2003 at 18:05:09 PT
iF John Walters were to say "the American “war on drugs” is the single largest contributor to terrorism in the western hemisphere", his statement would then be accurate! 
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Comment #4 posted by afterburner on December 18, 2003 at 17:44:17 PT:
Mr. Martin Needs to Visit this Site & Get Informed
Mr. Martin told reporters he sees a health risk in pot use and observed that "any doctor will tell you it's far from the best thing for you."Au contraire, Mr. Martin. The Canadian Medical Association and many doctors refused to recommend medical cannabis, not because they have scientific studies proving that "it's far from the best thing for you," but because of the lack of double-blind scientific studies demonstrating whether or not cannabis is medically beneficial. There is meanwhile abundant case study and field experience that does indicate palliative benefits.
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Comment #3 posted by Virgil on December 18, 2003 at 17:43:51 PT
Paul Martin might be firing up a joint on Tuesday
The fact that the Supreme Court may end prohibition in Canada should not be discounted. It is not that I would be unhappy about a decision supporting prohibition. It is that I would really not think that it is the proper decision. The justices surely know that the harms of prohibition are far worse than freedom to use. I will not be shocked if they uphold prohibition. In all honesty though, I would be suprised. My desire and intellectual beliefs are both for the unconstitutionality of prohibition. We will know in five days.
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Comment #2 posted by yippierevolutionary on December 18, 2003 at 17:31:24 PT
John Walters other Western Hemisphere Comment
John Walters has said "the American drug consumer is the single largest contributer to terrorism in the western hemisphere" The united states is becoming so isolated on so many issues, how much longer can this go on for? I am trying to see the bright side when I say the more isolataed and bullying we become the larger the reaction against our prohibition policies will be.Does anyone read alex giordano's site bigleftoutside? He covered latin america's rejection of US free trade and drug policy revolution that occured in the past few years and he is an Authentic Journalist.
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Comment #1 posted by SystemGoneDown on December 18, 2003 at 17:18:07 PT
OMFG(Oh my f uck in Goodness!!!!)
"John Walters, the White House director of drug policy, complained Canada was out of step with the rest of the western hemisphere"THIS IS MUTHA F--KIN ABSURD!!!How can he say something so blatantly inaccurate. It is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA that is "out of step" with the rest of the WORLD. We are the lone nation in the globe with a law enforcing grudge agains marijuana. The feds believe marijuana is the anti-american drug it was in the 60's, while the rest of the globe has ACCEPTED it as a part of life and have actually LESS drug abuse than U.S. This blows my mind.Western Hemisphere........that's classice... what a f --ing idiot. 
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