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  Another Try at Legalizing Marijuana

Posted by CN Staff on December 07, 2003 at 14:48:21 PT
By Guy W. Farmer 
Source: Nevada Appeal  

Even though Nevada voters handed them a decisive defeat last year, the drug legalizers are at it again. Masquerading as "Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement," the potheads lost big-time in November 2002, when Nevadans voted against Question 9 - a marijuana legalization measure - by a 61 to 39 percent margin.But now, they're back again with a costly television spot advocating drug legalization in our state. The ad is sponsored by the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project, which spent $2 million on Question 9 last year.
Using a split screen, the ubiquitous new spot shows a group of sad-looking Nevada teenagers on one side wearing T-shirts reading 67 percent (the percentage who have allegedly tried marijuana) and a group of smiling Dutch teenagers on the other wearing 28 percent T-shirts.The message is that we should legalize marijuana in order to keep our teenagers happy and reduce drug use. And if you believe that, I have a nice piece of waterfront property for you in Washoe Valley.Let's take a closer look at the MPP statistics. Although a 2001 study by the White House Office on National Drug Control Policy stated that "more than 67 percent of Nevada high school seniors reported using marijuana at least once in their lifetime," it added that only 26.6 percent of Nevada high school students were regular marijuana users (which is still too high). Assuming that the 28 percent figure for Dutch teenagers is correct, the comparison isn't so bad for Nevada.Nevada State Medical Association Director Lawrence Matheis recently told Reno's alternative weekly, the News & Review, that the MPP was "disingenuous" when it chose to portray Question 9 as a medical marijuana measure in an effort to mislead Nevada voters. We weren't fooled, however, and most of us applauded Washoe County District Attorney Dick Gammick, when he urged the drug legalizers to "pack your baggies and go home. We don't need this stuff in Nevada." And we still don't.When I wrote a column in opposition to Question 9 last year, its supporters accused me of not understanding that marijuana is a life-saving drug. But if that's true, why did the Nevada Legislature put the State Agriculture Department in charge of the medical marijuana program instead of the State Pharmacy Board? As Pharmacy Board Executive Secretary Keith McDonald told me at the time, "Obviously, marijuana isn't medicine. That's why they (the Legislature) gave it to the Agriculture Department."The drug legalizers were even more upset when I listed the fatalities that marijuana-smoking drivers had caused in Nevada. Convicted drugged drivers included the retired California firefighter who crashed head-on into a van on I-80 east of Reno in May 2002, killing five members of a Utah family including four children; a 24-year-old Douglas County man who killed a 46-year-old mother of four in a high-speed, head-on collision in Gardnerville Ranchos in July 2001, and a 22-year-old Las Vegas stripper who ran off the road and killed six teenagers on a highway work detail in March 2000.And to that list of marijuana-related highway fatalities we can now add the case of 39-year-old Jonathan Hyde, of Reno, who was allegedly high on drugs when his truck struck and killed 24-year-old newlywed Kelly Berry, of Virginia Foothills, as she walked with her husband near their home last August. Police allege that Hyde had five times the legal limit of marijuana and nearly twice the limit of methamphetamine in his blood when he was arrested. If convicted, he could face up to 50 years in prison.I dare the MPP or anyone else to tell the victims of these horrific accidents that marijuana isn't a dangerous drug. Also, no one has yet supplied conclusive medical evidence that marijuana smoke cures anything. Nevertheless, those who believe they need THC, the main active ingredient in marijuana, for medical reasons can easily obtain a prescription for Marinol, which contains higher doses of THC than the typical "joint." That's why I believe the whole medical marijuana campaign was nothing more than an excuse to smoke dope in public. Although Nevadans fell for that scam in the 1990s, we don't have to compound the error by legalizing marijuana, which is a first step down the slippery slope of broader drug legalization.So who pays for these expensive pro-drug TV campaigns? The largest single contributor is billionaire financier George Soros, a Hungarian-born socialist who was described by former Health and Human Services Secretary Joseph Califano as "the Daddy Warbucks of drug legalization." Soros, who hates President Bush and contributes millions of dollars to Howard Dean and other left-wing causes, has identified "capitalism and market values" as the main threats to world peace. Despite considerable evidence to the contrary, he probably thinks that legalizing dangerous drugs would help to achieve a more perfect world. Frankly, I think he's been smoking something."These people (Soros and his MPP allies) use ignorance and an overwhelming amount of money to influence the electorate," said White House drug czar John Walters during the 2002 election campaign. "(But) you don't hide behind money and refuse to talk and hire underlings and not stand up and speak for yourself." Therefore, I cordially invite MPP/Nevada spokesman Bruce Mirken to tell us what their real agenda is. I'm sure his answer would be both revealing and educational. How about it, Bruce? I can hardly wait.Guy W. Farmer, a semi-retired journalist and former U.S. diplomat, resides in Carson City.Source: Nevada Appeal (NV)Author: Guy W. FarmerPublished: December 7, 2003 Copyright: 2003 Nevada AppealContact: appeal tahoe.comWebsite: http://www.nevadaappeal.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/Stop Teen Usehttp://www.stopteenuse.com/Marijuana Ad Has Both Sides Talkinghttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17840.shtmlSmokin' Airwaves - Reno News & Review http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17839.shtml Legal Pot Supporters Back With New Tactic http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17848.shtml

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Comment #41 posted by rchandar on December 10, 2003 at 10:44:13 PT:
guy farmer is an idiot
I agree with the commentors--Guy Farmer is an IDIOT. To try to make it look like marijuana is harmful at all is absolutely distorted and stupid. And if pot-related car accidents are a big deal, then where's the effort to outlaw alcohol, which causes so many more accidents?Is it just that we think we have DUI for alcohol under control, with limp beer ads that say "know when to say when?" are we that stupid? But besides this, I get offended by the fact that people like Guy Farmer think (or want us to believe he thinks) he's doing us a great f#$king favor by opposing legalization because of all the chaos it would create. It's parenthetically stupid, falsely moral, and ignorant of all the facts we have today. Keeping cannabis illegal will do nothing, nothing for our society but line the pockets of criminal mafias and promote a culture of violence on our streets. That's all; the old government argument that legalizing weed would encourage the mafia in business is simply laughable; too many ordinary, working people grow pot as it is; it is THEY who would be encouraged.The problem with their arguments is that they, people like Mr. Farmer, think that marijuana-related murders is SUCH a serious problem that we need to keep grass under criminal code. That's just laughable, and people should know it. Instead all Mr.Farmer's, Mr.Guliani's, and others' comments mean is this: on a "controversial" issue, people will not stop to think and evaluate the government's claims about the harmful effects of legalization. They'll buy the government line out of abdication of the issue. By the time they get to our arguments, their arms have been so twisted by the government that they won't try very hard to listen to us.Peace.
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Comment #40 posted by jose melendez on December 08, 2003 at 11:09:48 PT
sent to peters swiftnews.com
Editor:There's an Aesop's fable about a fox that lost his tail, then attempted to convince others to do similarly. Guy W. Farmer recently lost his wife to pancreatic cancer. The chemical cocktails profitably pedaled by those charged with managing her pain were and continue to be far more hazardous than smoked marijuana. Yet the widower, as do all that cling blindly to laws that depend on suppression of the truth, omits material, factual evidence that would tend to exonerate the pot-heads he demonizes in his column, Another Try at Legalizing Marijuana.First, the Office of National Drug Control Policy's claims have already been outed by the Dutch government and most credible scientists as disingenuous and fraudulent. Several false claims by that well-funded propaganda agency, specifically regarding cannabis use and crime rates, have been consistently disproved and publicly disputed.Youth use rates, substance abuse and in fact, as our own "Justice" department admits, per capita homicide rates peak during historical periods of alcohol and drug prohibition. Also, if it is true that marijuana isn't medicine, then it is indisputably an herb and a food, as well as the least toxic intoxicant known to Man.The plant's active ingredient, THC, is less harmful than aspirin and more effective than dronabinol, the multimillion dollar synthetic molecular simulation often vomited up by it's users.Also, despite repeated claims to the contrary, doctors are extremely hesitant to consider prescribing that drug, since they know that doing so invites bureaucratic scrutiny that will likely lead to harassment. No such intervention is evident for liver damaging drugs that would normally have to compete with ganja.It's probably true that cannabis should be permitted freely by the Agriculture Department.This writer's sense is that hysterical rhetoric promoted by corrupt, hypocritical lawmakers will circumvent that reasonable solution to the issue. In fact, even cigarettes, for which no one needed to be arrested to reduce consumption rates, are being considered for FDA regulation as drug delivery devices. Meanwhile Tommy Chong is in prison. Got hypocrisy?Since I qualify at least as, "anyone else", I will take on Farmer's dare, and proclaim this to the families of anyone whose death has been associated with cannabis abuse:You have been lied to. Laws that increase demand, profitability and strength of ganja lead not only to increased violence, but also to abuse and use in inappropriate settings. For you moralists out there, look on the first page of your Bible. Green, seed bearing herb is called good by, and a gift of food from, none other than God. On the Atkin's kick? Note that the healthiest part of a cheeseburger and milkshake are the essential fatty acids and proteins, most palatably available in cannabis seeds. But wait, there's more. The published anecdotal evidence, claimed by the columnist as representative of pot's effects on driving, ignores at least four peer reviewed studies, all of which concluded that impairment displayed by stoned drivers rarely approached, and NEVER exceeded that of test subjects with .08 blood alcohol levels. Some experienced stoners even drove consistently better than 'sober' folks.Really.Even the label for the aforementioned synthetic claims, "Do not drive a car or operate machinery until you know how MARINOL® Capsules affects you."Yet scientists raised a ruckus from alcohol lobbyists and their bar buddies in Congress when they proved some years back that a joint is less debilitating than half a glass of wine.Setting aside the logical fallacy in Farmer's argument that methamphetamine abuse is largely associated with cannabis use in any way other than through legal status, amphetamine abuse popularity might have something to do with the flood of Ritalins winding up on the streets. You know, the go-pills traded by school kids in exchange for beer, cigarette and fake I.D. money, or snorted before exams. No wonder Johnny is so well behaved. If his last name is Ashcroft, one can be sure he won't be doing much time for peddling drugs in school, though.Since pot is bad because meth is bad, (it used to be heroin and crack, but kids did not buy the message), does it not occur to these racketeering, corrupt incarceration industry contractors that advertising household chemicals as a way to make millions in meth is not the smartest way to to increase law enforcement budgets? Go fight real crime!Pop quiz: Who is sworn to uphold Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution? That's right, those chain smoking, beer swilling, caffeine pumped, uniformed gun wielding punks barely older than the high school kids whose Fourth Amendment rights they violated on CNN!As for other expensive TV campaigns, at least George Soros tells the truth. Note that his efforts led to the peaceful overthrow of a corrupt regime. Amazingly, Guy Farmer ends his diatribe against pot with a xenophobic ad-hominem against that well known peace activist. Hungarian-born socialist, indeed! If you think anti-McCarthyism is treason, you've been listening to Ann Coulter too long. Treason is defined as war waged on citizens, or aid and comfort to our enemies.Heck, even Ozzy Osbourne just fired his cocktail serving pill pusher doctor. The guy speaks normal now, and does not wobble. Go figure! Meanwhile, I hear Arnold just pardoned two killers in California, yet is silent, to date, on Tommy Chong's 9 month prison sentence. One would think there are more effective ways to cut the budget than to free murderers but keep jailing stoners. That's compassionate conservatism, for you. Freedom. Justice. Right.To be frank, and at the risk of being rather rude, I'm truly sorry that Guy Farmer lost his piece of tail, Consuelo Mata-Olalde Farmer to pancreatic cancer. But since it can be shown that those charged with her care profited greatly by denying her access to a naturally occurring plant that likely would have ameliorated pain and nausea brought on by the illness and it's "treatments", I'm inclined to exercise my right to free truthful or commercial speech and denounce his position as willfully ignorant, or outright deception. Disagree? Tell your advisers to stop filtering your media, and actually read the truth. In 1974, peer reviewed experiments on mice, repeatedly demonstrated several times between 1998 and 2002, showed that cannabinoids reduce cancerous tumors through a process of programmed cell death called apoptosis. Three quarters of a million U.S. citizens are busted every year for somehow self medicating with the plant, while over half a million die each year due to complications from the legal alternatives. Finally, studies show that in Canada, where some of the strongest marijuana is increasingly grown and smoked, lung cancer rates are dropping.Found your outrage yet? It's high time you wrote Congress, newspapers, radio and television stations, and insist prohibition be criminalized. Or, have another drink. Whatever you are smoking, it's your butt. If these self evident truths are enough to inspire others to write, here's my publishable email address: legalize marijuana.com
bust these crooks
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Comment #39 posted by freedom fighter on December 08, 2003 at 07:44:47 PT
mamawillie
It's an OPED piece.. I talked to this guy farmer before.. Sorry to say but he is a bigot.Kind of person who likes to think that he knows everything and you don't. It was diffcult for me to understand how this guy could think like this. He really does not care if you sit in a Jail because you had a joint. Make it clear that this guy think it is okay to send that 26% whatever children to jail for smokin.......gotta go pazff
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Comment #38 posted by mamawillie on December 08, 2003 at 07:19:40 PT
Is this guy employed by that newspaper?
Is he a paid reporter, or was that an opinion piece?I was patiently reading until I got to the part about marijuana related traffic deaths. Now I'm angry. Had this guy done his research, he would have seen that there is NO test available to test the *active* levels of THC in a person. And we all know people could go 5 days, for example, without smoking and still test positive for THC.He deliberately tried to portray those accidents as Mj related... maybe they were, maybe they weren't. The point is there is no test to prove those drivers were actively under the influence of MJ.This is what we have to fight.I still say when these antis get their panties in a wad like this, it means we're gaining ground. They are worried.. very very worried. 39% of voters in 2002 could easily now be 51% of voters in 2004.
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Comment #37 posted by Dankhank on December 08, 2003 at 06:20:22 PT:

Register ...
Register to Vote now ...
Register to Vote
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Comment #36 posted by jose melendez on December 08, 2003 at 05:44:12 PT

but wait, there's more!
from: http://documents.cancer.org/116.00/116.00.pdf"Often, late in the course of pancreatic cancer, the duodenum becomes blocked
 by cancer. This will cause pain and vomiting that requires surgery. ""The other common problems for people with cancer of the pancreas are anorexia (loss of appetite), weight loss, and weakness. These symptoms are due in part to side effects of treatments and the effects of the cancer on metabolism. Dietary recommendations that include high-energy supplements may be helpful. In some cases, temporary placement of a feeding tube into the stomach can improve the person's nutrition and energy levels. Pain is a significant concern for people with cancer of the pancreas. Growth of the cancer around certain nerves may cause severe pain. Only you know how much pain you have. Telling your doctor and nurse when you have pain is important. Not only is pain easier to treat when you first have it, but pain can be an early warning sign of the side effects of the cancer or the cancer treatment. You, your nurse, and doctor can talk about how to treat your pain. It is important that patients take advantage of pain-relief treatments.There are proven ways to relieve pain associated with cancer of the pancreas using a combination of medicines and, in some cases, surgery. For example, cutting some of the nerves that carry pain sensations or injecting concentrated alcohol into these nerves can provide relief. Often, if the cancer is being removed surgically, these nerves will be cut during the same operation. For most patients, treatment with morphine or other opioids (medicines related to opium) will reduce the pain considerably. For the treatment to be effective, the pain medicines must be given regularly on a schedule, not just when the pain becomes severe. Several long-acting forms of morphine and other long-acting opioids have been developed that need only be given once or twice a day . . ."
losers rule: It's so 'high school'
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Comment #35 posted by jose melendez on December 08, 2003 at 05:42:24 PT

farmer reaps misplaced anger from loss
In this case, farmer plays fox. What am I talking about? While I am sympathetic that Guy Farmer lost his piece of tail, a few careful searches of his late wife's condition and the policies of the business contracted with her care tells me she was likely denied access to cannabis, but probably consumed far more harmful drugs to ease her final days of pain.read on:from: 
http://www.circumstitions.com/Fox.html A FOX, caught in a trap, escaped by tearing off his brushy tail.  After that, the other animals mocked him, making him feel so ashamed that his life was a burden to him. He therefore worked out a plan to make all the other foxes the same as him, so that in their common loss he might better conceal his own deprivation.  He called a meeting of foxes. A good many came to it, and he gave a speech, advising them all to cut off their tails. He said that they would not only look much better without them, but that they would get rid of the weight of the brush, which was a very great inconvenience.  But one of them interrupted his speech.  "If you had not lost your own tail, my friend," that fox said, "you would not be giving us this advice."- Æsop, 6th century BCEhttp://www.lustgartenfoundation.org/LUS/Navigation/CDA/Controller/0,2064,20-0,00.htmlhttp://www.cancer.gov/cancer_information/coping/leads to:http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/8_4.htmDate reviewed: 12/12/2000        Marijuana Use in Supportive Care for Cancer Patients   Cancer, and cancer therapies and their side effects, may cause a variety of problems for cancer patients. Chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, and anorexia and cachexia are conditions that affect many individuals with cancer. Nausea and Vomiting     Some anticancer drugs cause nausea and vomiting because they affect parts of the brain that control vomiting and/or irritate the stomach lining. The severity of these symptoms depends on several factors, including the chemotherapeutic agent(s) used, the dose, the schedule, and the patient's reaction to the drug(s). The management of nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy is an important part of care for cancer patients whenever it occurs. Although patients usually receive antiemetics, drugs that help control nausea and vomiting, there is no single best approach to reducing these symptoms in all patients. Doctors must tailor antiemetic therapy to meet each individual's needs, taking into account the type of anticancer drugs being administered; the patient's general condition, age, and related factors; and, of course, the extent to which the antiemetic is helpful.     There has been much interest in the use of marijuana to treat a number of medical problems, including chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting in cancer patients. Two forms of marijuana have been used: compounds related to the active chemical constituent of marijuana taken by mouth and marijuana cigarettes. Dronabinol (Marinol®), a synthetic form of the active marijuana constituent delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), is available by prescription for use as an antiemetic. In 1985, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved its use for the treatment of nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy in patients who had not responded to the standard antiemetic drugs.     National Cancer Institute (NCI) scientists feel that other antiemetic drugs or combinations of antiemetic drugs have been shown to be more effective than synthetic THC as "first-line therapy" for nausea and vomiting caused by anticancer drugs. Examples include drugs called serotonin antagonists, including ondansetron (Zofran®) and granisetron (Kytril®), used alone or combined with dexamethasone (a steroid hormone); metoclopramide (Reglan®) combined with diphenhydramine and dexamethasone; high doses of methylprednisolone (a steroid hormone) combined with droperidol (Inapsine®); and prochlorperazine (Compazine®). Continued research with other agents and combinations of these agents is under way to determine their usefulness in controlling chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting. However, NCI scientists believe that synthetic THC may be appropriate for some cancer patients who have chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting that cannot be controlled by other antiemetic agents. The expected side effects of this compound must be weighed against the possible benefits. Dronabinol often causes a "high" (loss of control or sensation of unreality), which is associated with its effectiveness; however, this sensation may be unpleasant for some individuals.     Marijuana cigarettes have been used to treat chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, and research has shown that THC is more quickly absorbed from marijuana smoke than from an oral preparation. However, any antiemetic effects of smoking marijuana may not be consistent because of varying potency, depending on the source of the marijuana contained in the cigarette.     To address issues surrounding the medical uses of marijuana, the National Institutes of Health convened a meeting in February 1997 to review the scientific data concerning its potential therapeutic uses and explore the need for additional research. The group of experts concluded that more and better studies are needed to fully evaluate the potential use of marijuana as supportive care for cancer patients. Anorexia and Cachexia     Anorexia, the loss of appetite or desire to eat, is the most common symptom in cancer patients. It may occur early in the disease process or later, in cases where the cancer progresses. Cachexia is a wasting condition in which the patient has weakness and a marked and progressive loss of body weight, fat, and muscle. Anorexia and cachexia frequently occur together, but cachexia may occur in patients who are eating an adequate diet but have malabsorption of nutrients. Maintenance of body weight and adequate nutritional status can help patients feel and look better, and maintain or improve their performance status. It may also help them better tolerate cancer therapy.     There are a variety of options for supportive nutritional care of cancer patients, including changes in diet and consumption of foods, enteral or parenteral feeding (delivery of nutrients by tube), and the use of drugs. An NCI-supported study to evaluate the effects of THC and megestrol acetate (a synthetic female hormone) used alone and in combination for treatment-related and cancer-related anorexia and cachexia completed patient accrual earlier this year. Researchers will compare the appetite, weight, and rate of weight change among patients treated with THC to patients treated with megestrol acetate or with both therapies. Researchers will also evaluate the effects of the drugs alone or in combination on nausea and vomiting, assess for toxic effects of the drugs, and evaluate differences in quality of life among those patients who were treated with THC. # # #The Institute of Medicine (IOM), part of the National Academy of Sciences, has published a report assessing the scientific knowledge of health effects and possible medical uses of marijuana. The IOM project was funded by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy. The IOM released its report on March 17, 1999. Copies of the report, Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base, are available from National Academy Press, Lockbox 285, 2101 Constitution Avenue, NW., Washington, DC 20055; (202) 334–3313 or 1–888–624–8373. The full text of the IOM report is also available at http://pompeii.nap.edu/books/0309071550/html/index.html on the Internet. 
unreasonable search and seizure
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Comment #33 posted by BGreen on December 08, 2003 at 02:23:43 PT

Cannabis could have helped relieve her suffering
Guy W. Farmer wants ALL cancer patients to suffer just like his wife. All of the "potheads" and "legalizers" pushing the "medical marijuana campaign" are just trying to help relieve the suffering of people JUST LIKE YOUR WIFE! Unlike you, Guy W. Farmer, we're not going to watch our loved ones suffer just to push your "cage the sick and dying" agenda.The Reverend Bud GreenFebruary 13, 2003Obituary: Consuelo Mata-Olalde FarmerStaff reportsConsuelo Mata-Olalde Farmer, a longtime resident of Carson City and wife of Nevada Appeal political columnist Guy W. Farmer, died Feb. 12, 2003, of pancreatic cancer at Evergreen Hospice in Kirkland, Wash. She was 66.A native of Mexico City, Mrs. Farmer graduated from high school and secretarial school there. She emigrated to the United States in 1960 to work for the Mexican Government Tourist Office in Los Angeles.She and her husband were married that year in his hometown, Seattle in 1960. After living in Klamath Falls, Ore., for two years, they moved to Carson City in January 1962, when he became the capital correspondent for the Associated Press. During the mid-1960s she was a sales clerk at Murdock's Department Store in downtown Carson City.Mrs. Farmer became a U.S. citizen in 1967 when her husband joined the Foreign Service. Over the next 28 years, they lived and worked in Bogota, Colombia; Canberra, Australia; Caracas, Venezuela; Lima, Peru; Madrid, Spain; and Mexico City. During stateside assignments they lived in Alexandria, Va., and Newport, R.I., while maintaining their permanent legal residence in Carson City.Mrs. Farmer was the bilingual secretary to the first State Department anti- narcotics coordinator in Colombia. She managed the American Embassy Commissary in Madrid and did extensive charity work with embassy women's organizations.The Farmers moved back to Carson City in December 1995, following his retirement from the Foreign Service. During the past four years, Mrs. Farmer volunteered at Friends in Service Helping's Ross Medical Clinic, where her kindness and compassion earned her many new friends.In addition to her husband of 42 years, Mrs. Farmer is survived by her children Guy J. Farmer of Reno and Maria Consuelo Farmer of Seattle; son- in-law Richard C. Green of Seattle; daughter-in-law Carol Gilman, of Reno; sister Lucia Mata de Flores of Mexico City; and numerous nieces and nephews. Her brother, Rodolfo Mata, preceded her in death.Before she died, Mrs. Farmer wanted to thank her many friends in Northern Nevada for their love and their prayers. In lieu of flowers, the family requests donations to the Ross Medical Clinic, c/o "FISH," 131 E. Long St., Carson City NV 89706 and/or the Lustgarten Foundation for Pancreatic Cancer Research, 1111 Stewart Ave., Bethpage, NY 11714.Memorial services are pending in Seattle and Carson City. Walton's Chapel of the Valley is making arrangements for a private burial at Lone Mountain Cemetery in Carson City

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Comment #30 posted by mayan on December 08, 2003 at 02:14:29 PT

"They're Back Again"
"Even though Nevada voters handed them a decisive defeat last year, the drug legalizers are at it again. Masquerading as "Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement," the potheads lost big-time in November 2002, when Nevadans voted against Question 9 - a marijuana legalization measure - by a 61 to 39 percent margin."Gloovins, my thoughts exactly. A "decisive" defeat? The "potheads" lost "big time"? 39% to 61%? Basically 4 in 10 in Nevada voted for outright legalization!!! LEGALIZATION!!! "They're" back? Who in the hell are "they"? "WE'RE" BACK! WE ARE THE PEOPLE!!! All I had to do was read the first two paragraphs and the minimal intellect of the author became immediately apparent. Guy W. Farmer, a semi-retired journalist and former U.S. diplomat, resides in Carson City.Is that his real name? "Semi-retired"? Surely, he jests. Joyce, is that you?The way out is the way in...The 9/11 "investigation"– sometimes priorities dictate:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/120603Tomasi/120603tomasi.html9/11 Visibility Project:
http://www.septembereleventh.org/9/11 WIDOW CHARGES BUSH WITH FOREKNOWLEDGE AND ABETMENT OF MURDER IN RICO SUIT: http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=33&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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Comment #29 posted by BGreen on December 08, 2003 at 01:09:35 PT

He's a University of Washington Alumni
Guy W. Farmer: BA (Journalism), 1957Mr. Farmer writes a Sunday political column for the daily Nevada Appeal of Carson City, NV. In October of 2003, he won a columnists' award at the annual convention of the Nevada Press Association.http://www.com.washington.edu/program/alumni/notes.html
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Comment #28 posted by gloovins on December 08, 2003 at 01:08:08 PT

Attn: MICHIGAN VOTERS...
Hi all, as a pt-time resident of Mich, I belive the following constitutional petition drive may just have a chance. Ck it out, I, however, won't be surprised by its outcome --either for or against.Hope it passes, its long over due...And hey for the record the NV results were 39% to 61% ...trust me that aint no landslide. I call it a lieslide because all the anti's lies thru out the campaign. Even Walters went there on our tax dollars no less, Well buddy John, you didn't sway 39% of the voters, you just swayed enough of the fence sitters (thru outright distortions, agian w/ my tax $) to vote no --only because of your illegal camapaign against it

http://www.apublicservice.com/The%20Petition.htm
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Comment #27 posted by BGreen on December 08, 2003 at 00:40:21 PT

He Was In The Gambling Business
Guy Farmer, a Gaming Control Board employee in the 1960s, said Keefer was a man intent on ridding the gaming industry of corruption."He was one of the principals in tightening up gaming control and getting the bad guys out," said Farmer, adding that one of the more notable events during Keefer's tenure was the decision by regulators to suspend Frank Sinatra's gaming license.http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1999/Jan-08-Fri-1999/news/10374295.htmlFarmer gave a lecture on that subject on Oct. 7 at the Gold Hill Hotel in Virginia City, NV., ( http://www.goldhillhotel.net ) which leads me to this conclusion:Entertainment must SUCK in Virginia City, NV!The Reverend Bud Green
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Comment #26 posted by BGreen on December 08, 2003 at 00:26:23 PT

Farmer's Dead Wife Cared About The Sick
What a shame he's a cruel, cold, heartless bastard.The Reverend Bud GreenEarly on, Consuelo Farmer, born in Mexico City, a child of poverty who struggled for a better life and education, married to Guy Farmer, was the translator for our doctors and nurses. This beautiful and talented woman moved among the poor and ill patients at Ross Medical as easily as she had hosted international receptions on behalf of her diplomat husband. There was something very sacred about the work going on in those exam rooms. Not only healing of body, but a connection of spirits, a gentleness, a respect for all. She was doing something very important in our community!Consuelo, with her own funds, would pay an annual visit to Kirk Wentworth at the Medicine Shoppe. She would place a generous gift in his hand, to be used as a credit for Ross Medical prescriptions. Those who could not pay his generic prices were healed through Consuelo's generosity.Consuelo died early this year. Before she died, she paid her usual visit to Kirk. And after her death, dozens of those who loved her sent gifts to FISH in her memory. Those gifts have been transferred to Kirk's Consuelo Farmer Prescription Trust. Her love continues.
Ross Medical Clinic Must Continue!
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Comment #24 posted by Breeze on December 07, 2003 at 23:35:51 PT

When we vote for candidates for prez...
Pleased to inform you of this bit of information.
The nomination for candidates is around the first of Febuary- BUT!!! You need to register to vote now if you haven't done so. Tell EVERYONE to register NOW because it takes a MONTH - yes, 30 days for you to be approved to vote for a candidate!!!
Some candidates would rather the public not know this information, just so that when the time comes for the nomination for a candidate, the pressure is off a wee bit, and they can breathe a little easier, because they "KNOW" the underdog doesn't stand a chance to be nominated.
And so, those who want to vote cannot, simply because they did not register in time.
I once wanted to vote for a candidate and called the office of voters registration to see when I had to be registered. They told me I could do it the day before the election. I was indeed purposely misled, because I went down to register- and they told me sure, for the next election 4 years later!!!
So, register to vote NOW!!! Today, not tommorow or next week. Go ahead and do it. Get out there and make a difference! If Kucinich doesn't get the majority- at least we will have sent a message to the other candidates, and then we can hammer THOSE guys to re-thinking their stance on the issue of prohibition. But its going to take a MAJOR shove to get Kucinich to win. And I do mean- MAJOR!!! 
It would be great if we could get every one to know about this issue, what is at stake, and who stands where on this matter- but , like I said, this is just one issue that needs attention NOW!!!!
The other candidates seem to also support the police state already in force, and GETTING STRONGER!!!!
MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!! VOTE KUCINICH!!

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Comment #23 posted by FoM on December 07, 2003 at 22:45:17 PT

Virgil
Why I don't post my email is because I would get more then I could handle and more then likely tons of spam. It's the abuses of the email system that make me hesitate to use it. I'll write you an email tomorrow. I'm done for the day too. Cannabis Enthusiast elections will be in November of 2004 for the Presidency.
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Comment #22 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 22:38:40 PT:

about time to crash
If you want to be able to receive e-mail you can fill in the e-mail box when you fill in your name and password in the comment box. I filled it in on comment12 and this one. I have got to get some other people on the skype software because both parties have to have it. FoM, if you do not have a headset you can e-mail me and I will see you get one. All I would need is an address or a name that you could use to pick it up at circuitcity in Somewhere, Ohio.Isn't it weird about all the secrecy like we are big time criminals or something. 
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Comment #21 posted by Cannabis Enthusiast on December 07, 2003 at 22:20:41 PT

When do we vote for the next U.S. President?
Sorry if Im out of the loop, but when do U.S. citizens vote for the next president of our country?When do they choose the Democrat and Republican candidates?
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on December 07, 2003 at 20:01:23 PT

Virgil
Let me know how it goes. Please don't worry about me. My computer is fine. I can make CDs and do CNews and make web pages. I'm in my own little heaven doing those things. I'll probably get a new computer next year. I'm really ok and thank you. I'll pick up a phone and call you if you give me your phone number. If you want me to call I'll find your email address. I know I have it somewhere.
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Comment #19 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 19:28:53 PT

Headset means microphone with earphones
I will let you know on the skype program after I use it. Virgil was taken as a username, but I got VirgilJohnston. 
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Comment #18 posted by goneposthole on December 07, 2003 at 19:25:38 PT

I wonder
Mr. Farmer somehow benefits from cannabis prohibition, me thinks. Although, I don't know for sure. I have my suspicions.
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Comment #17 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 19:22:19 PT

FoM, you need a splitter
You need to put a splitter where your computer speakers are so that you can still use your speakers and a headset. Your headset should have a plug like your speaker, althought there have to be adapters.I bet come Christmas someone will have an extra computer. I hope your dinoputer holds up as it is involved in saving the free world. 
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Comment #16 posted by jose melendez on December 07, 2003 at 19:12:35 PT

So who pays for these expensive - TV campaigns?
from: http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/030818.asp" the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), requires federal agencies to study and disclose the environmental effects of federally funded road and highway projects and to involve the public in their planning."No such policy regarding social harm caused by prohibition propaganda exists at ONDCP, DEA etc.When ATF asks for input on beer bottle nutrition labeling and there was very little public input, so there was no action.Meanwhile the DEA attempts to avoid and evade voluminous input on the legal status of cannabis, instead applying vigorous and counterproductive actions. And ONDCP still gets the bulk of last years bloated budget, slightly cut by a few million in no small part because their ads INCREASED youth use rates.How many math books would $145 million buy? Go figure.
we pay, they play soldier
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on December 07, 2003 at 19:01:02 PT

Thanks So Much Virgil
Thank you Virgil, I think my computer is still good. I've had it going on 3 years but it has worked fine compared to the Pentiums I had before. I make my own CDs with this. I can't play a DVD though but that doesn't bother me. I'm glad I can make CDs though. This is an AMD. Thank you for the offer but please send anything to Dennis Kucinich not me. Mine is set at 1280 by 1024It is a 19 inch monitor.I didn't know you could use head phones and I looked but I'm not sure where to plug it in. I'll wait until my husband is here to try plugging something in. If I do something wrong I'd be bummed out. I can set it too this one. Should I? 1600 by 1200
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Comment #14 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 18:56:06 PT

Glaxo-Our drugs do not work on most patients
From http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=471139Glaxo chief: Our drugs do not work on most patients
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
08 December 2003A senior executive with Britain's biggest drugs company has admitted that most prescription medicines do not work on most people who take them.Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.It is an open secret within the drugs industry that most of its products are ineffective in most patients but this is the first time that such a senior drugs boss has gone public. His comments come days after it emerged that the NHS drugs bill has soared by nearly 50 per cent in three years, rising by £2.3bn a year to an annual cost to the taxpayer of £7.2bn. GSK announced last week that it had 20 or more new drugs under development that could each earn the company up to $1bn (£600m) a year.Dr Roses, an academic geneticist from Duke University in North Carolina, spoke at a recent scientific meeting in London where he cited figures on how well different classes of drugs work in real patients.Drugs for Alzheimer's disease work in fewer than one in three patients, whereas those for cancer are only effective in a quarter of patients. Drugs for migraines, for osteoporosis, and arthritis work in about half the patients, Dr Roses said. Most drugs work in fewer than one in two patients mainly because the recipients carry genes that interfere in some way with the medicine, he said."The vast majority of drugs - more than 90 per cent - only work in 30 or 50 per cent of the people," Dr Roses said. "I wouldn't say that most drugs don't work. I would say that most drugs work in 30 to 50 per cent of people. Drugs out there on the market work, but they don't work in everybody."Some industry analysts said Dr Roses's comments were reminiscent of the 1991 gaffe by Gerald Ratner, the jewellery boss, who famously said that his high street shops are successful because they sold "total crap". But others believe Dr Roses deserves credit for being honest about a little-publicised fact known to the drugs industry for many years. Response rates Therapeutic area: drug efficacy rate in per cent Alzheimer's: 30 
Analgesics (Cox-2): 80 
Asthma: 60 
Cardiac Arrythmias: 60 
Depression (SSRI): 62 
Diabetes: 57 
Hepatits C (HCV): 47 
Incontinence: 40 
Migraine (acute): 52 
Migraine (prophylaxis)50 
Oncology: 25 
Rheumatoid arthritis50 
Schizophrenia: 60 
  
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on December 07, 2003 at 18:41:47 PT

News Article from Snipped Source
Police Unload Property on Internet Auction SitesBy Haya El Nasser, USA TODAYPublished: December 07, 2003Police departments across the nation are flocking to the Internet to sell their inventories of stolen property, confiscated items and worn-out equipment. They're discovering that customers are willing to buy almost anything.Take a guitar autographed by Gene Simmons of the rock group KISS. It fetched more than $6,000.Property Bureau, an Internet auction service for law enforcement agencies and based in San Clemente, Calif., counts more than 300 police and fire agencies in 23 states as clients. One of the founders of its propertyroom.com Web site is Daryl Gates, former Los Angeles police chief."We don't handle firearms and drugs," says Steve Lupinacci, president of propertyroom.com. "But we get a lot of grow lights." Grow lights are used to grow plants indoors, including marijuana.The auction site includes a free registration service for people looking for their lost or stolen goods http://www.stealitback.com/Another popular Internet auction firm is GovDeals Inc., based in Montgomery, Ala. It specializes in auctioning surplus and stolen goods for state and local governments on govdeals.com. Clients include the states of Tennessee and Ohio and more than 300 local governments. The fee: 7.5% of the winning bid. State and local agencies say use of the Internet generates far more revenue than that of local auctions. "Smaller clients are probably our most loyal," says Bob Bowen, vice president of business development at:  http://www.govdeals.com/  "They sell one tired old police cruiser with 170,000 to 190,000 miles for $2,700 that they would have given away for $800."Montgomery County in Ohio netted $260,000 in one year on govdeals.com, more than three times the average $80,000 a year it normally brings in from local auctions, says Roy Sigrist, director of purchasing for the county that surrounds Dayton.Snipped:Complete Article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-12-07-police-internet_x.htm
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Comment #12 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 18:36:37 PT:

FoM
You would probably want a headset. You could use a microphone and your computer speakers, but you get that echo thing going on. Microphones are everywhere and are pretty cheap anyway. I would send you one but the postage would be more expensive than the microphone and what you need is a headset.Even a headset is not very expensive and if you go to Goodwill or a flea market they would only be a couple of dollars. I think we need to figure a way to take up a collection to replace your dinoputer. Anyone have a suggestion how we can get a collection going? Even if we could collect only $400 it would be enough for a decent computer. You need a 19 inch screen 1200x1600. We could buy it online and let her pick it up at a Circuit City. Let's talk about it. Ill put up for the headset and maybe even a splitter.We need to make this happen. $4.20 for FoM. 
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Comment #11 posted by jose melendez on December 07, 2003 at 18:34:48 PT

try telling us the truth: drug war is treason
try telling the families of people who have died as a result of cannabis prohibition that marijuana is dangerous!Bowers:http://sg.netor.com/m/box200104/m83.asp?BoardID=83The screams in Spanish of the Cessna's pilot: "They're killing us! They're killing us!" The blood on his infant daughter. His wife slumped over in her seat. More than a year has passed since a single bullet took the lives of Bowers' wife, Roni, and his daughter, Charity, in the sky over the Amazon River. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread13303.shtmlVillarreal:
"They sandwiched the car so we had to stop," Robles said. "Then they started shooting. I thought we were getting attacked by gang members. I tried to shield Ashley but I could tell right away she had been hit. She whispered my name. I felt her shaking and could see she had a hole in her head. Look what they did to poor Ashley. And then these men get out of their cars and come at us, and we are out of the car and on the ground, and she is moaning and crying. I see chunks of her head; her face had turned purple and blue. I was covered in her blood. She was dying and wanted me to hold her. I said to one of the men, 'Please let me hold her, she's going.' He stomped his foot hard on my back and said, 'Don't move.'"http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2998.htmlCrosslin and Rohm:Let us all pledge to stop the hate with love, drive out the darkness with light and never resort to violence. Tom and Rollie's death highlights a lesson we must all learn - non-violent resistance is the only sensible and strategic approach to ending the violent war on drugs. We must stop the spiral of destruction by constructing sensible and peaceful methods of dealing with marijuana and other drugs. And, we must not forget Tom and Rollie.http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread10953.shtmltry telling the families of people who died using 'available legal alternatives' that they are less dangerous than cannabis:FDA Takes On Drug Name Confusion 
 Matthew Herper, 12.05.03, 12:32 PM ET 
 
 NEW YORK - Yesterday, an advisory committee to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration met to discuss a serious problem: confusing names for prescription drugs. The committee's decision, reportedly, is that more study is needed.   
 
 According to briefing documents available on the FDA's Web site, sound-alike and look-alike names are a common cause of medicine errors--when patients receive the wrong drug or the wrong dose. According to presentation slides used by Timothy Lesar of Albany Medical Center, more than 20% of prescribing errors may be related to drug names and nomenclature. Messy doctor handwriting can make the diabetes drug Avandia look the same as a prescription for the blood thinner Coumadin.   
 
 We took a serious look at the problem in February, using data provided by U.S. Pharmacopeia, a nonprofit dedicated to promoting health care safety (see "Lethal Confusion"). The data included examples of confounded drug names that were anonymously reported between May 2000 and April 2002. Here, we republish the most harmful and the most common drug name mix-ups.   
 
 Deadly Drug Mix-Ups      These mix-ups caused the most patient harm among the incidents reported to USP between May 2000 and April 2002. As many of these mistakes involved patients who were very sick, it's not always possible to what extent the error harmed them.       
 
 Drug Name And Maker      
Indication      
Confused With      
Indication      
Worst Reported Consequence      Primaxin IV: Merck   (nyse:    MRK -         news   -       people   )      
Antibiotic injection      
Primacor (Sanofi-Synthelabo)      
Hypertension injection      
Death      Taxotere: Aventis   (nyse:    AVE -         news   -       people   )      
Chemotherapy      
Taxol (Bristol-Myers Squibb)      
Chemotherapy      
Death      Cartia XT: Andrx   (nasdaq:    ADRX -         news   -       people   )      
Hypertension      
Procardia XL (Pfizer)      
Hypertension      
Permanent harm      http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/12/05/cx_mh_1205confusion.html
habit, not skill
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Comment #10 posted by jose melendez on December 07, 2003 at 17:28:25 PT

baloney, same as it ever was
here's some older data, and a chillingly similar pattern of deceipt exposed, from:http://www.marijuananews.com/marijuananews/cowan/drug_czar_distorts_facts_to_mali.htm"It is unacceptable for a high ranking U.S. official to stoop to using   such tactics to malign the Netherlands’ drug policies," St. Pierre said.  Earlier this week, McCaffrey claimed that the Dutch murder rate is more than   twice that of America’s. He further purported that three times as many Dutch youth   admit trying marijuana than do their U.S. counterparts. McCaffrey said that liberal drug   policies were to blame for the higher Dutch figures.   In fact, however, both Dutch homicide rates and   prevalence of youth marijuana use are far lower than those in America.  "There is a very disturbing trend of blatant misinformation coming from   Barry McCraffrey, which seems to indicate that he is woefully uninformed about key parts   of the very policy he is paid to represent and enforce," said David Borden of the   Drug Reform Coordination Network, an Interet-based information center on drug policy.  Official data from the Dutch government’s Central   Planning Bureau put the country’s murder rate for 1996 at 1.8 per 100,000 people.   That figure is 440 percent lower than the current U.S. murder rate of 8.2 per 100,000.   McCaffrey falsely claimed that the Dutch murder rate was 17.58 per 100,000.McCaffrey also alleged that Dutch youth experiment with marijuana in greater   numbers than U.S teens. However, 1996 data recorded by the University of Michigan’s   Monitoring the Future project determined that 45 percent of America’s high school   seniors admit they have tried marijuana.By comparison, research compiled by the National Institute of Health and Addiction in the Netherlands found that less than 21 percent of   Dutch adolescents have experimented with the drug. McCaffrey falsely stated that only 9.1 percent of American teens had ever tried marijuana.
criminalize prohibition
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on December 07, 2003 at 17:18:24 PT

Virgil
Do you have to use a mic or a phone? I don't have a mic. Never needed one. Some of these techy things go over my head. I tried Net Meeting years ago and I didn't like it but that was when I was first on line. Actually I don't use my phone. I haven't talked to anyone just to talk for a long time. I was on the phone constantly when we were in business and I started to dislike the phone. My sister has a walkie talky type thingy and she got in touch with her son in law in Texas from Ohio when she visited me. That was cool. I believe it's $10 a month.
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Comment #8 posted by jose melendez on December 07, 2003 at 17:18:20 PT

How many dutch teens are regular users, anyway?
I agree the article is easy to debunk, I also would like to know, how many dutch teens are regular users? These arguments are easily put into perspective when compared to the 400,000 cigarette and 100,000 alcohol related annual North American deaths, as well as the cannabinoid anticarcinogenic research demonstrated in 1974, and confirmed several times since between and including 1998 and 2002. 
look at the mice scurry
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Comment #7 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 17:05:39 PT

The power of the Internet, continued
There is a new program called Skype out that is free and will let you talk to people anywhere in the world using the Internet. It is reputed to be clear as your phone line. I have my user name but have not used it yet.FYI- http://www.skype.com/help_userguide.html
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Comment #6 posted by Nuevo Mexican on December 07, 2003 at 17:05:30 PT

These lies costs lives!
This article has 'backfire' power! They are afraid for the day when we hold them accountable for their violent, incarcerating abuse of humans.It is now okay to kill people who are thought to be 'high' on drugs, whether they are or not, (embalming fluid, no pot, curious, for such a happy guy, they probably found a joint, dipped it in fluid, pcp, whatever. Can you say 'suspect' evidence? Look at how fast the Mayor and Police Chief, and the media incriminated this guy, so that the jury of public opinion would side with the cops, I don't believe anything they say, if fact, 180 degrees opposite of what they say is the easy way to 'guess' the truth. They KNEW they killed a man for NOTHING. or for being provoked. Eyewitness reports on BET.com say he was maced at the same time they told him to stand down. No chance to comply, only react, as anticipated. They got their token dead black man for the month (police in one precinct in l.a. are rewarded with a new tatoo for every person they brutalize, an initiation into the 'gang'). Now it comes out that 'hey, he was on illegal drugs! line. This is our opportunity to raise the issue of subhumanization of people of color if they're truthfully OR falsely accused of 'being high on drugs'. This is a human rights, civil rights issue, that needs to be dealt with immediately, or those people will be wrapping barb wire around your community next.http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=14063&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0Washington Post Smears Dead Man To Justify Police Brutality in CincinnatiCourtland Milloy's editorial in the Washington Post marks a new low point in the treatment of police brutality by the press. A man is beaten to death with most of the killing blows comming as the man lay motionless on the ground. In response the Washington Post condemns the man for having taking drugs and blames that (even though according to officials he wasn't high when he was killed) for the police's actions.http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/12/1663300_comment.phpHow the media is silenced by anonymous phone calls, (it's their only excuse)Lawyer quits terror cases after death threat"I'm not on the verge of tears for my safety. I'm on the verge of tears because it means we now live in Colombia. It means that the rule of law is meaningless. It means that lawyers cannot represent anyone even in what you profess to be a democracy here in Canada," he said. "It comments on where we've arrived as a society."He issued a direct appeal to "whoever I've angered," pleading that they take his statement Thursday "as my bowing out."The Toronto-based lawyer - who represents at least seven people in national security cases - said that he received a threatening message one day after he answered media questions with former terrorism suspect Abdurahman Khadr. He played it Thursday for reporters gathered at his office."Well, Mr. Galati. What's this I hear about you working with the terrorist now, helping to get that ... punk terrorist Khadr off. You a dead wop," a voice said, in low and calm tones.http://www.prisonplanet.com/120503deaththreat.htmlDue to exportation of Democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, the
U.S. states can't afford 'democracy', 7 primarys cancelled!
By the time of the election next year, this country will be unrecognizable as to what it was in November of 2000. We need a law to make it illegal NOT to have an election in the case of a terrorist act near election time (bush), as that is what the 'terrorists' would want, even if its the 'supposed' government!Why have a primary, when Dennis Kucinich would win Washington State anyway?http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&ncid=536&e=6&u=/ap/20031206/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_primary
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Comment #5 posted by Virgil on December 07, 2003 at 16:12:02 PT

Gag material 
One thing about it is the hate shows through. The hate and goofiness are overwhelming and probably help our side. He surely did not convert people from the Logical Conclusion to more failure on CP.I think the reason for the failure was in the details of the iniative and the fact that there are a lot of Mormons that vote in high numbers in Nevada. If the wording is right, it can easily pass. I guess it all goes to prove Walters was full of crap in saying the Freedom Movement for Cannabis had reached its high-water mark after the elections of November 5, 2003.Our choir will outvote their choir, but they need to make sure they chose the right song. The details are everything and the tide is still coming in, Walters.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on December 07, 2003 at 16:10:43 PT

People Die in Accidents
More people die in driving accidents than wars. I wish I could remember the exact comparison but I'll leave it at wars. We are a fast moving society. Cars go fast and many roads are in bad repair. Do we put the people in jail who don't make our roads safer? No we don't. Just the way we live now and how much more driving people do will cause accidents. It isn't what people consume as often as just bad luck.
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Comment #3 posted by ron on December 07, 2003 at 16:05:38 PT

Where do you start on crap like this?
1)  "more than 67 percent of Nevada high school seniors reported using marijuana at least once in their lifetime" it added that only 26.6 percent of Nevada high school students were regular marijuana users (which is still too high). Assuming that the 28 percent figure for Dutch teenagers is correct, the comparison isn't so bad for Nevada.Why wouldn't you assume the same ratio of casual/regular use in Dutch teenagers or did you diplomatically forget to make the adjustment for your readers, Guy? That would make it about 12 percent for the Dutch. 2)"MPP was 'disingenuous'" It's hard to believe a Guy could use this word to refer to any organization other than the shameful Drug Warrior Bullies who have been disingenuously filling our ears with fear and lies for almost a century. 3)"Frankly, I think he's been smoking something."Seriously Guy, you better lay off the booze.4)bait and switch...   5)Soros uses ignorance...6)...  there must be at least a dozen more, but I'll try to hold back the lack of respect I feel for people like you, Guy.When a persecuter like you displays contempt for the motives of the legalizers, and crows his ignorance for us all to see, it's hard to be polite.   
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Comment #2 posted by lombar on December 07, 2003 at 15:54:23 PT

lies and obfuscations
"Let's take a closer look at the MPP statistics. Although a 2001 study by the White House Office on National Drug Control Policy stated that "more than 67 percent of Nevada high school seniors reported using marijuana at least once in their lifetime," it added that only 26.6 percent of Nevada high school students were regular marijuana users (which is still too high). Assuming that the 28 percent figure for Dutch teenagers is correct, the comparison isn't so bad for Nevada."Lets take a closer look at this misleading statement. 28% of dutch teenagers have 'tried' cannabis versus 26.6% in Nevada who are 'regular users'. Nothing like comparing apples to oranges to get a fallacious conclusion. How many dutch teens are regular users?"The message is that we should legalize marijuana in order to keep our teenagers happy and reduce drug use."Nope. The message is that less teens use cannabis in Holland DESPITE having a semi-legal environment. Adults are free to imbibe cannabis without fear of jack-booted thugs kicking in their doors and shooting them dead because they have a TV remote in their hands."Police allege that Hyde had five times the legal limit of marijuana and nearly twice the limit of methamphetamine in his blood when he was arrested."Don't they teach critical thinking? Both meth and cannabis are illegal so there is no 'legal' limit. "I dare the MPP or anyone else to tell the victims of these horrific accidents that marijuana isn't a dangerous drug. "Pretty hard to tell a dead person anything however it was not the cannabis that killed these victims but careless driving and there was probably alcohol involved as well.What is it that causes these people to call for the caging of human beings for their enjoyment of a little euphoria?

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Comment #1 posted by The GCW on December 07, 2003 at 15:34:40 PT

In case this spew is making You sick,
& In case You haven't heard: Kucinich put in writting that as presedent He will: 
"decriminalize marijuana" -"in favor of a drug policy that sets reasonable boundaries for marijuana use by establishing guidelines similar to those already in place for alcohol." 
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread17917.shtml I am sick of the concept of people caging humans for using a plant.If You are too, vote Kucinich

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