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Pot Plan Puts U.S. Noses Out of Joint
Posted by CN Staff on May 03, 2003 at 08:20:59 PT
By Tim Harper, Washington Bureau
Source: Toronto Star 
Washington — Welcome to the latest flashpoint in Canada-U.S. relations, one that has nothing to do with regime change or war and everything to do with pot.Even as the wounds from a winter of bilateral discontent fester, Washington this week sharpened its attack on Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's plans to decriminalize marijuana, indicating a move most Canadians are prepared to accept with a shrug is seen as an affront to the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.
John Walters, Bush's drug czar, said the Liberal government hasn't done its homework in studying data to justify the move and accused Ottawa of allowing "poison" to be shipped to his country. He implied the Chrétien Liberals were naïve and have no plans to deal with the "explosion" of high-potency pot — which he called the crack cocaine of marijuana — being grown in British Columbia, Manitoba, Quebec and Ontario.The U.S. threat is clear. If Chrétien doesn't blink, the U.S. will have to slow down the movement of goods across the border.Walters said a flood of Canadian pot moving south becomes an American problem, meaning increased border patrols."You expect your friends to stop the movement of poison to your neighbourhood," Walters said. "And that is what's going on here. If we were sending toxic substances to your young people, you would be and should be upset."In short, Canada is being seen in some quarters here as a pot-crazed, irresponsible nation living in the late 1960s.First, we're soft on Saddam. Now, we're soft on pot.Canadian officials privately believe it is Washington that's stuck in a time warp, taking the world back to an earlier era of Reefer Madness.When a Canadian Senate committee called for legalization of pot and the House of Commons followed with a recommendation of decriminalization, there were gusts of displeasure from Walters and his colleagues, but nothing like this week's gale of protest. In Vancouver, where the city is working to open up the first injection site for drug users, David Murray, an assistant to Walters, went further on threats of border slowdowns. He said it would be "regrettable" to see the "loss of the mutual co-operative partnership we've had with Canadians regarding our borders, regarding the integrity of the hemisphere, regarding our commerce, regarding the implications of trade and value to ourselves."In Canada, where decriminalizing pot possession has been off and on the public agenda for more than three decades, the first impulse was to ignore the complaints from the south, but that also changed this week."The difficulty we have with Mr. Walters' comments is, are they driven by ideology or are they based on facts?" said Richard Mosley, a federal justice official in charge of criminal law policy. "On the evidence, the decriminalization experience in some states, Australia and Western Europe does not increase the use of cannabis."There is a huge gulf in philosophy toward marijuana control between Canada and the U.S., Mosley said."The United States has zero tolerance to possession and trafficking, while the approach of many other countries is to try to reduce the harm," he said. "The approach in the U.S. has been to absolutely prevent the use of cannabis."Marijuana possession will still be illegal in Canada, Mosley says, and this country is not shirking any of its international responsibilities toward drug control. Other sources have indicated that any move to decriminalize possession would come in tandem with a crackdown on large-scale growing operations which have sprung up in Ontario and British Columbia."We have to keep things in perspective," Mosley said. "The amount of cannabis produced in Canada is a small proportion of that produced domestically by the United States or smuggled into the United States from other countries."According to the United Nations, 2 per cent of the cannabis seized worldwide in 2002 was nabbed in Canada, while 5 per cent came from the United States and 46 per cent came from Mexico. The Chrétien government has studied the Australian model, in which tickets are issued for those charged with marijuana possession.A Canadian analysis of the Australian laws showed no increase in cannabis use.As many as 14 U.S. states have also loosened marijuana laws, and some have eliminated the possibility of jail for possession since the 1970s.None of that matters to Walters. "The RCMP tells me privately that they are frustrated that the political leadership in Canada simply does not support stiff sentences and simply hasn't come to grips with this problem," he said in the interview. "If you look at anywhere in the world, at any time in history you want, when you reduce the deterrent forces in society for using drugs, you get more drug use and you get more drug trafficking."He also said it is "particularly troubling" that — in his view — Canadian officials have admitted to him there is no reliable data in Canada about how many people smoke pot, how many people are dependent on it and what age groups use it.Justice Minister Martin Cauchon told reporters this week there are 100,000 cannabis users in Canada, although he did not define the term "user.""In the absence of any data, there is apparently a certainty that decriminalizing doesn't cause trafficking, despite every single example everywhere in the world is the reverse," Walters said.Walters used an analogy many Canadians might find amusing — gun control. If laws were relaxed on possession of illegal weapons, he asked, does anyone believe there would be a decrease in gun crime?"That would be ludicrous. The same principle applies to drugs," he said.U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci told reporters in Ottawa yesterday the decriminalization of pot could cause tensions at the border if there is a perception it has become easier to get hold of marijuana in Canada, the Star's Allan Thompson reported."No one has seen the proposal yet," he said. "Does it actually make it more difficult to get marijuana? Is the enforcement of the civil penalty going to be a strong one? Are the criminal penalties for those who grow marijuana, are they going to be strengthened?"I think it comes down to a perception. If the perception is that it might be more easy to get marijuana here, then that could lead to some pressure on the border because U.S. customs and immigration officers are law enforcement officers. And they would have their antenna up as people were going over from Canada and into the United States."Asked about U.S. concerns, Deputy Prime Minister John Manley said, "We do need to have a discussion with the United States about it to make sure that they understand what it is we intend to do," the Star's Les Whittington reported.Manley said Ottawa "believes this approach could enable more resources to be directed to enforcement against trafficking and production, which ought to reduce the problem rather than contribute to it."He said U.S. concerns could cause slowdowns at the border if decriminalization in Canada increases the likelihood of more trafficking of the illegal drug into the U.S. But "I don't think we have evidence that decriminalization of the possession of small amounts of marijuana is necessarily going to lead to increased smuggling. I think that's a bit of a leap."Walters praised efforts of the Mexican and Colombian governments, saying they have made efforts to cut into the cocaine trade while the Canadian pot situation "is out of control."I've heard a lot of people in Canada talking about how they are doing this because there are people clogged in the criminal justice system with possession charges," Walters said."We don't lock up people for possession here. We have serious criminals in jails here." Note: Trade at risk, warns drug czar. Decriminalization called a mistake.Source: Toronto Star (CN ON)Author: Tim Harper, Washington BureauPublished: May 3, 2003Copyright: 2003 The Toronto Star Contact: lettertoed thestar.com Website: http://www.thestar.com/ Related Articles & Web Site:Cannabis News Canadian Linkshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/can.htm War On Drugs Now Threatens America's Neighbors http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16157.shtmlCanada's Drug Policy Draws U.S. Warning http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16150.shtmlU.S. Warns Canada Against Easing Pot Laws http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread16149.shtml
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Comment #6 posted by WolfgangWylde on May 04, 2003 at 06:56:41 PT
Perhaps a little on the conspiracy-minded side...
...but, I happen to believe that the Drug War is absolutely 
necessary to the powers that be, and that Marijuana Prohibition is absolutely necessary to the Drug War. Without marijuana, 
there are simply not enough users of all other drugs combined to warrant the huge budgets and strictly Prohibition-style laws of the Drug War. And why is the Drug War necessary? Simple, inflated profits. By some accounts, the illegal drug trade accounts for as much as 8% of world trade.  That's trillions of dollars, tax-free, and unaccounted for. It props up every aspect of the world economy. Without it, a whole lot of bankers, financiers, and consequently, politicians, would be out of a job.That is why the U.S. is fighting for the status quo. Because those bastards depend on, and profit from, it the most.
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Comment #5 posted by ekim on May 03, 2003 at 19:30:23 PT
Hey John M
you ask "Why isn't there a website somewhere that displays and tracks how polititians and bureaucrats try to keep the black market healthy and strong?"you are at it this very second. I print out one of the storys and copy it and hand them out at coffee shops people are starving for the truth. how did you find this site. Thanks for posting.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on May 03, 2003 at 19:13:55 PT
Phil
You asked a question that I've never understood. I never heard of any Cannabis EVER that came from Canada. Mexico Yes! Canada No! I'm just one person so I figured it just didn't get around but the way it's sounds from our drug czar that it's raining Cannabis down on us. I'm at a loss. 
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Comment #3 posted by phil_debowl on May 03, 2003 at 11:43:31 PT
Why would people traffic herb across the border
I'm sorry, but as easy as it is to grow here, why would anyone try to make it across the border with a large quantity of herb. The expense of the trip, I don't think many canadians would wanna take a chance of being put in prison for many many years, when they can just sell it there and not deal with any of that. It would be much easier and safer, to take some seeds to a liberal community in the us and grow there. It would be more realistic if he were referring to the easier availability of seeds or something. I hate him so much. I wonder how many uneducated, listless in front of fox news, actually believe statements like "the crack cocain of marijuana". It still amazes me how some people associate the downgrade of the crack epedimic with the war on drugs, and totally overlook the easier and more logical explanation of people seeing what it does to society and their neighborhoods. I guess we're a bunch of dumb cows that don't know or notice anything and are totally dependant on our government to tell us what to do and not to do so we don't hurt ourselves. GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, did i say i hate that ! Every time i read something from him it literally makes me sick to my stomach. HOW CAN WE PUBLICLY CONTRADICT. Every time there's any kind of media debate on the subject, it's crammed into like 30 min's or less including commercials. That's only enough time to say what you believe, and by the time the actual evidence starts being looked at its time for the end of the show. So in essence, you could say "marijuana kills 300,000 people a year" and get away with it cause you wouldn't have to validate that, there's not enough time. PBS puts out some decent media sometimes, and they're commercail free. Would probably make a great forum. Ok, i just woke up and read this and it upset me a little, but i think i'm ok now.peace
phil
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Comment #2 posted by lombar on May 03, 2003 at 11:19:08 PT
Blatant LIAR
"You expect your friends to stop the movement of poison to your neighbourhood," Walters said. "And that is what's going on here. If we were sending toxic substances to your young people, you would be and should be upset."Ok, what about that TOXIC gasioline additive that we have been FORCED to buy thru NAFTA? 
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Comment #1 posted by John Markes on May 03, 2003 at 09:45:37 PT
Walters needs therapy...
I find it fascinating that John Walters can complain so much about a very small amount of cannabis coming from Canada while at the same time never mentioning that the USA produces more than any other country. Why do we hire mental incompetents like this anyways? Why do we pay people to insult our intellignce like Walters does on a regular basis?Why isn't there a website somewhere that displays and tracks how polititians and bureaucrats try to keep the black market healthy and strong?
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