cannabisnews.com: The Violent Side of Marijuana Use
The Violent Side of Marijuana Use
Posted by CN Staff on September 17, 2002 at 09:41:52 PT
By Bob Garfield
Source: AdReview.com
This is your conscience. This is your conscience on drugs. Thus the basic message of the latest pool of spots from the White House Office of Drug Control Policy, which once again seeks to explode the notion of drug use as a victimless crime. We'll see. So far, the main victim has been the drug office itself. When the campaign broke on the Super Bowl drawing a connection between drug money and terrorism, the critics pounced.
'Absurd extreme' "Blaming nonviolent kids for terrorism is like blaming beer drinkers for Al Capone's murders," Ethan Nadelman, a decriminalization advocate, told the Miami Herald. Abigail Trafford of the Washington Post said the premise was exaggerated to an "absurd extreme." And Christopher Caldwell of the Weekly Standard declared the campaign, "Propaganda worthy of the Soviet Union." Oh, really? Well, comrade, the FBI earlier this month said it has conclusively linked a Midwest amphetamine manufacturing operation to the Hezbollah. The Taliban, of course, was in the opium business. And if counterfeit infant formula is a cash cow for Egyptian extremists, is it not reasonable to suspect that drugs are, as well? Deadly consequences The point of the advertising was never to blame the 9/11 attacks on a bunch of American stoners; it was simply to emphasize that recreational drug use -- wholly apart from any health and social-policy questions -- has deadly consequences. Maybe the message argues more for decriminalization than for abstinence, but in any event it is sobering to consider, and sobering is what this advertising wants to be. So now come two fresh scenarios from Ogilvy & Mather, New York, cleverly showing the chain -- link by link -- between domestic drug consumption and all sorts of mayhem down the line. One spot begins with a pretty young woman buying a dime bag and ends with a child shot in drug-warfare crossfire. Another shows us Dan, just a guy in his 20s, watching the tube. He could be your buddy, your big brother, your kid brother, your dad. "This is Dan," says the voice-over. "This is the joint that Dan bought." We see the joint. Then we see a phenomenally beautiful and only vaguely dangerous-looking young woman descending into a cellar club. The ultimate drama "This is the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought." Then we see a total dirtbag, as, one by one, the various players in the ultimate drama are introduced. No reason to further describe the visuals. You get the point. "This is the smuggler that smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought. "This is the cartel that uses the smuggler that smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the joint that Dan built. "And this is the family that was tied up by Dan's cartel and shot for getting in the way. "Responsibility's a bitch -- isn't it, Dan?" Then the onscreen message: "Drug money supports terrible things. If you buy drugs you might too." We could do without the last sentence, which would superfluous even if it were properly punctuated. But otherwise we are totally sold. No dime bags for us. Although we would like to meet Dan's dealer, just to, you know, explain the error of her ways. Note: White House Drug Office Spots Aim For Public Conscience.Advertiser: White House Office of Drug Control PolicyAgency: Ogilvy & Mather, New York -- Star Rating: 3.5 Source: AdReview.com Author: Bob Garfield Published: September 16, 2002 Copyright: 2002, Crain Communications Inc.Website: http://www.adreview.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Drug Policy Alliancehttp://www.drugpolicy.org/New Drug War - ABCNews.com http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14128.shtmlInside The White House Drug Office Tanglehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14056.shtmlDEA Launches Exhibit: Drugs -Terrorism http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13918.shtml
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Comment #45 posted by DANA on September 18, 2002 at 02:36:38 PT
Outstanding
Ddc,comment #4 was awesome.
Hi Hope.
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Comment #44 posted by Hope on September 18, 2002 at 02:25:15 PT
Ddc
It sounds wonderful! I'm smiling so at four nineteen in the morning!!!Shotguns? The only HEALING SHOTGUNS in existence! Way to go!Sounds like it was a wonderful afternoon and, finally, a great step forward for us!!!
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Comment #43 posted by BGreen on September 17, 2002 at 17:46:20 PT
We're still at 84%
Vote if you haven't already.Question: Should it be legal to smoke marijuana for medical reasons?
CNN poll
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 17:43:24 PT
DdC
Thanks and as things come to you please post them. Thousands of heads hey? LOL! Good job!
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Comment #41 posted by DdC on September 17, 2002 at 17:37:35 PT
Hey All: Thousands show up at City Hall...
Many News radar trucks, mics and camera's but will they show it? I had to work my way around barricades to get near the stage but finally made it. Didn't see too many cops or tokers for that matter. Valerie and Mike got standing ovations and solid support from the City. There was a mock camophlage wearing, Uzi toting DEAth squad goon harrassing someone in a wheelchair so I blew several shotguns of smoke at him and the crowd laughed. One helicopter circling got several fingers pointed at it, guess what finger? ¶8) Otherwise a good clean gathering and message for the Feds...Stay Out of Santa Cruz and California!!!
Well I see its past time to prevent an illness.
Let's Roll!!! ¶8)
Peace, Love and Liberty or D.E.A.th!
DdC
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Comment #40 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 16:22:28 PT
It ain't over till it's over....
Now to wait anxiously for Ddc's report.
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Comment #39 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 16:19:53 PT
immediately after the short piece at
Santa Cruz, they went to the announcement of the government's new campaign against marijuana...and cut it short and rather abruptly.
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Comment #38 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 16:17:04 PT
Turn on Fox
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread14143.shtml#1
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 16:15:19 PT
Sweet
Hope I agree sweet is a very good word to call it.
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 16:14:22 PT
I'm Mad at Myself
I hit all the wrong buttons on the tv and vcr and I think I missed an update. I can get to wound up and blow it and I just did. I have it fixed now. Too many buttons for my eyes to see.
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Comment #35 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 16:10:01 PT
What they did show!
I meant to say, "What they did show was sweet"...and it was.
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 16:08:43 PT
Sweet
What they did so was sweet to see. I hope they all get home safely without being busted on the way home or at home.
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 16:03:06 PT
Hope
I'm sure your husband is very kind. Mine is too. He wants these laws changed too. It is a mother thing isn't it? I can relate.
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Comment #32 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 15:55:54 PT
He didn't give me any trouble
when he realized what was going on. Everyone I know knows how obsessed I am with righting this terrible wrong. I'm something akin to a mama bear protecting her young when it comes to this matter.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:50:53 PT
Hope
DdC is a good typer and will answer questions we have I know. PS: I hope your husband understands that you need both in your reach for a little while. My husband stays out of my way when something like this is going on. I'm like a little whirlwind! Maybe more like the tazmanian devil. LOL!
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Comment #30 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 15:46:36 PT
Ddc
I wish Ddc had a live feed going....directly to us!
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:43:16 PT
Oh To Be A Fly On The Wall!
I agree Hope. I want to know what is happening right now. Not later but right now! I have no patience.
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Comment #28 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 15:42:57 PT
Hogging the TV and the computer!
My husband has just been in here, allowing how I should let him have the tv or the computer, that I didn't need both. But I do!
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:41:50 PT
Hope
I hope it goes OK. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they are taping and doing interviews and planning on a detailed edited report soon. DdC will let us know when he gets back since he is from Santa Cruz and was going over to the event.
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Comment #26 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 15:39:55 PT
This is so nerve wracking!
I wish we could see what is going on out there. Right now! All of it!
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Comment #25 posted by Hope on September 17, 2002 at 15:38:13 PT
It looks like
they aren't going to show anything happening...unless there is a confrontation...which they mentioned there could be.
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:33:51 PT
VitaminT
Hopefully a video will be made available. It has been great. They did a countdown all day and the news people always smiled when the WAMM segment came on.On time the news person said do you want to know where to get some Kind Bud?I thought that was nice because it really is a Kind Bud.
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Comment #23 posted by VitaminT on September 17, 2002 at 15:32:59 PT
be sure to write to Phil Donahue!
Tell him he got scooped by CNN! But he's welcome to step in and pick up the ball tomorrow!
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Comment #22 posted by VitaminT on September 17, 2002 at 15:29:25 PT
I envy you guys!
I don't have a TV at work while this is going on live! I just hope something is still happening when I get home! Keep us posted!
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Comment #21 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:28:58 PT
BGreen
Yes I did see the interview with Valerie and Mike. It was very good. I think Santa Cruz has to be one of the nicest places in the United States. Three cheers for Santa Cruz!Hip Hip Hurray!Hip Hip Hurray!Hip Hip Hurray!PS: And the Mayor is so cute! LOL!
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:26:03 PT
POT TV
Do you think POT TV will be there?
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Comment #19 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:23:41 PT
Nuevo Mexican & BGreen
I'm mostly staying on CNN Headline News but want to check the California News when it comes on. I really like getting California news. It's KABC from Los Angeles. I get New York News too but I'm a California type person. I don't get any local news but nothing happens in Ohio. Well maybe sometimes but it isn't interesting.
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Comment #18 posted by BGreen on September 17, 2002 at 15:17:29 PT
Not interviews but soundbites
Still, it showed their gentleness.
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Comment #17 posted by Nuevo Mexican on September 17, 2002 at 15:16:55 PT
CNN said d.e.a.TH was there, but no further info!
This is big! I haven't felt like this before!
Which version of CNN are you watching FOM? Headline News is sticking with the story.
Hope, faith are being rewarded! We'll see what happens, but expect the unexpected! In a big way! When the interviewer asked, 'but what kind of example are we setting for the kids?' first thing, you knew his bias. The doctor said the misinformation and lying to our kids was the greater harm. "Telling the truth to kids would be better!"
What a Day!
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Comment #16 posted by BGreen on September 17, 2002 at 15:15:42 PT
My thumb hurts
from changing the channel so much.FoM, did you get to see the CNN report with the interview with Valerie and Mike?
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 15:13:25 PT
Nuevo Mexican
We saw the Doctor and he was good and kind. I have the remote control in my hand and I keep jumping between different channels trying to catch something. I have a tape that I've been taping each segment when I catch them. What a day. If they show people being handed medical marijuana on the news that will be the first time ever I think!
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Comment #14 posted by Nuevo Mexican on September 17, 2002 at 15:04:29 PT
Headline news had live footage!
but Wolf Blitzers coverage was limited, but I didn't see all of it. The live footage was an interveiw with the doctor prescribing the medicine and he was a great spokesman! Honest, articulate, fatherly, caring and informed! Shot down the CNN interviewer, some new guy who seemed lame, but still gave the Dr. plenty of time to give great answers! I'm happy! As far as the give-away goes, everything was smooth at this point, but still 10 minutes away from beginning. They also said CNN Headline news would continue to cover the story, they must smell revenue! Can you say Nevada! I think Wolf was dissapointed due to being preempted by the two Cessnas planes that collided in mid air! Covering Cannabis issues is so much more exciting than bush! He seems bored with the antics of the shrub misadministration. Take the poll!
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on September 17, 2002 at 14:55:53 PT
In 5 Minutes!
CNN has been doing a great countdown to the medical marijuana handout. What a day!It is swarming with press! I love it! I love it! I love it!
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Comment #12 posted by Nuevo Mexican on September 17, 2002 at 14:35:55 PT
You nailed it Firedog!
unfortunately most Americans are addicted to legal doctor-prescribed mind-numbing drugs and are immune to common sense, compassion, logic and reason. Now the European Union is banning naturapathic herbs and medicines, and of course, GMO's are legal and you are eating them unknowingly as we speak. School children across the country are reciting the pledge today in unison, ala Hitleryouth, (under God) being the main reason this is being required of our kids. The nazi-like mentality is now fully embraced by the media and corporations that decide our fate from far away and right next door, from behind closed doors and gated communities, top secret locations and so on...but I insist it is all out of fear, fear of losing their grip on power! They will lose!
Nature rules! The segment on CNN is coming up and it is 3:36pm, mdt! Gotta go! Thanks to all for your activism and intentions!
NM
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Comment #11 posted by firedog on September 17, 2002 at 14:01:43 PT
I could do better...
This is Dick.This is Dick's big, shiny, new SUV.This is the gas station where Dick buys gas for his SUV.This is the oil refinery where the gas comes from. Look at all that nice pollution the refinery makes.This is the oil tanker that brought the oil from the Middle East. Look at that nice, big oil spill in Alaska. Look at those shiny black seals.This is the man who sold the oil to the big American oil company.His name is Mr. Bin Laden. Can you say "Hi, Mr. Bin Laden?"These are the buildings that Mr. Bin Laden flew airplanes into.These are some of the people who died that day.Responsibility's a bitch, isn't it, Dick?Oil money supports terrible things. If you buy oil, you might too.
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Comment #10 posted by Nasarius on September 17, 2002 at 13:38:08 PT
Oh boy...
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"This is the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought." Then we see a total dirtbag, as, one by one, the various players in the ultimate drama are introduced. No reason to further describe the visuals. You get the point.
---------------------------Now it's personal. *shakes fist*On a lighter note, maybe Dan should just buy better weed, so he's only supporting his local grower.
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Comment #9 posted by VitaminT on September 17, 2002 at 12:23:58 PT
Oh really?
The point of the advertising was never to blame the 9/11 attacks on a bunch of American stoners; it was simply to emphasize that recreational drug use -- wholly apart from any health and social-policy questions -- has deadly consequences.Oh really?Then perhaps you should point out that prohibition, by failing to regulate the market for some drugs, effectively provides protection to criminals who would supply money for violent terrorist acts. Any high school economics student is aware of the law of supply and demand even if Ad Execs and fanatical government idealogues are not.By the way, Saudi national Osama bin Laden and family made their money in oil, and the United States buys a lot of it from them. Doesn't that make the act of driving your car the equivalent of smoking a joint? I'd say it's a lot worse! Certainly if not for our addiction to oil the entire Middle East, terrorists and all would be as common a nightly news item as Surinam or Chad is today.
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Comment #8 posted by BGreen on September 17, 2002 at 12:21:19 PT
The Violent Side of Marijauna Use
is from the POLICE pointing their guns at our heads!
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Comment #7 posted by krutch on September 17, 2002 at 11:01:10 PT:
It is all such nonsense
"recreational drug use -- wholly apart from any health and social-policy questions -- has deadly consequences."This wrong. The reason criminals can make so much money on drugs is because they are contraband. This allow huge profits for those who would deal in them. It has deadly consequences because it is illegal. Booze had the same deadly consequences when it was illegal. That is why the idea of keeping it illegal was dumped. The exact same thing should happen with pot. If users could grow their own without risking several years in federal prison the market for smuggled pot would dry up.I detest the use of the word comrade in the article. It angers me that legalization is looked at as some liberal, left wing idea. The anti's are the true bleeding hearts. They want to save everyone from themselves. The current draconian laws are as impractical communism. True conservatives want the government out of peoples' lives. True consevatives want small government, not Big Brother.The ad is pious load of crap. Legalize today. Stop funding organized crime.
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Comment #6 posted by moot point on September 17, 2002 at 10:59:04 PT
follow the leader...
"This is the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought." Then we see a total dirtbag, as, one by one, the various
players in the ultimate drama are introduced. No reason to further describe the visuals. You get the point. "This is the smuggler that smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought. "This is the cartel that uses the smuggler that smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the joint that Dan built. "And this is the family that was tied up by Dan's cartel and shot for getting in the way. "Responsibility's a bitch --
isn't it, Dan?" Then the onscreen message: "Drug money supports terrible things. If you buy drugs you might too." Okay as long as we are now playing this game....Dan buys a pair of Nikes, boy Dan looks good in those shoes... Next here we see the salesman at the shoe store going home to have a few drinks and yell at his wife, or maybe his kid. Or maybe alcohol is not involved he is just has a complex because all he ever made of his life is a shoe sales man. Then we go to the Nike executives in their multimillion dollar homes smoking cuban cigars and having extra martial affairs on the side. As we follow the trail to the manifacturing we see the poorest of the poor in a third world country making just above the minimum (that way Nike looks good in the international corporate community) lacking proper health care and income the family of the worker lives in a place that being killed by others in a danger that you have to live with every day. Maybe your newborn baby dies due to lack of proper medical attention, or you are killed by the government of your nation because you try to speak about the conditions that you and your friends have to work in."Responsibility's a bitch --
isn't it, Dan?" Then the onscreen message: "Nike money supports terrible things. If you buy Nikes you might too." And the same message can be said about hundreds of corporate entities. Especially the ones that run the United States of America. Just trying to shine a little light,
moot point
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Comment #5 posted by Morgan on September 17, 2002 at 10:57:54 PT
Whores
Having had worked in advertising for a while, I wouldn't say they are idiots, JR. They are just alcohol fueled, cocaine snorting, money grubbing, empty suited whores, that would literally sell their own mothers for the right price. (Think I'm exagerating? I think I'm being kind.)Apparently, Bob Garfield's price has been met.
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Comment #4 posted by DdC on September 17, 2002 at 10:51:00 PT
The Violent Side of D.E.A.th's WoD
This is your conscience. This is your conscience on WoD.
Thus the basic message of the latest pool of spots from the White House Office of Drug Control Policy, which once again seeks to explode the notion of drug use as a victimless crime. We'll see. So far, the main victim has been the drug office itself. When the campaign broke on the Super Bowl drawing a connection between drug money and terrorism, the critics pounced.
'Absurd extreme'
"Blaming nonviolent kids for terrorism is like blaming beer drinkers for Al Capone's murders," Ethan Nadelman, a decriminalization advocate, told the Miami Herald. Abigail Trafford of the Washington Post said the premise was exaggerated to an "absurd extreme." And Christopher Caldwell of the Weekly Standard declared the campaign, "Propaganda worthy of the Soviet Union."
Oh, really?
Well, comrade, the FBI earlier this month said it has conclusively linked a Midwest amphetamine manufacturing operation to the Hezbollah.
marijuana amphetamines? Made in Korpses laboratories?
The Taliban, of course, was in the opium business. Given $40 million by Bushit...How cozy...
And if counterfeit infant formula is a cash cow for Egyptian extremists, is it not reasonable to suspect that crude oil is, as well?
Deadly consequences
The point of the advertising was never to blame the 9/11 attacks on a bunch of American stoners; it was simply to emphasize that recreational drug use -- wholly apart from any health and social-policy questions -- has deadly consequences when the D.E.A.th terrorizes the local growers.
Maybe the message argues more for decriminalization than for abstinence, but in any event it is sobering to consider, and sobering is what this advertising wants to be, potside of getting drunk on Superbowl Budweizer ads....
So now come two fresh scenarios from Ogilvy & Mather, New York, cleverly showing the chain -- link by link -- between domestic drug consumption and all sorts of mayhem down the line when D.E.A.th criminalizes patients.
One spot begins with a pretty young woman buying a dime bag and ends with a child shot in drug-warfare crossfire caused solely and exclusively by prohibition the same as it did with Al Capone. Thanks Bushit.
Another shows us Dan, just a guy in his 20s, watching the tube. He could be your buddy, your big brother, your kid brother, your dad.
"This is Dan," says the voice-over.
"This is the joint that Dan bought."
We see the joint. Then we see a phenomenally beautiful and only vaguely dangerous-looking young woman descending into a cellar club.
The ultimate drama
"This is the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought." Then we see a total dirtbag, as, one by one, the various players in the ultimate drama are introduced. No reason to further describe the visuals. You get the point. The point is only only only made under prohibition, not when Dan buys from the local co-op or dispensary...
"This is the smuggler that smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the joint that Dan bought, the smuggler that is out of business when pot is sold the same as beer.How many beer smugglers have you met?
"This is the cartel that uses the smuggler that smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the joint that Dan built. The cartel is called UpJohn Pharmaceuticals. They supply the ingredients that turns the coca leaf into a white powder. No cartels needed to grow cannabis in the herb garden.
"And this is the family that was tied up by Dan's cartel and shot for getting in the way of fascism. "Responsibility's a bitch -- isn't it, Walters?" Then the onscreen message:
"Drug money during prohibition supports terrible things. If you buy drugs you might too."
We could do without the last sentence, which would superfluous even if it were properly punctuated. But otherwise we are totally sold. No dime bags for us, except for the entrapraneurs thinking they can make the $400.00 an ounce. Dime bags???LOL Whats that a half a joint under prohibition prices?
Although we would like to meet Dan's dealer, just to, you know, explain the error of her ways. Dan's dealer is a compassionate grandma from the local co-op except when the Feds see their tax based prohibition falling apart.
Note: White House Drug Office Spots Aim For Public Conscience. Propaganda by any other name is still propaganda.
Who to Boycott?
Advertiser: White House Office of Drug Control Policy
Agency: Ogilvy & Mather, New York -- Star Rating: 3.5
Nazism or WoD?
SCAPEGOATING - Blaming social problems on a cultural, racial, or behaviorial group.
PREJUDICE - Selling the public on the idea that all members of the targeted group are 'bad' people.
LIES - 'Facts', which cannot be verified, and pseudo-scientific studies are used as propaganda against the targeted group. History is rewritten.
NO PUBLIC DEBATE - "These people have no right to have their viewpoiunt aired." and " Anyone who disagrees or questions us must be one of them!"
DEHUMANIZATION - Characterizing all members of a targeted group as subhuman and typically capable of monstrous deeds and/or crimes.
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN - "They corrupt, seduce and/or destroy our children."
CIVIL LIBERTIES SACRIFICED - "We must give up some of our freedoms, liberties, and rights in order to combat this menace to society."
LEGAL DESCRIMINATION - Laws criminalize members of targeted group and they may be denied jobs, the right to own property
and/or be restricted as to where they may live or go.
INFORMERS - Citizens are urged to 'turn in' friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members.
SECRET POLICE - Non-uniformed police squads set up to wage war on targeted groups utilizing deception, infiltration, espionage and entrapment.
CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY - Property and assets are seized from people who are members of targeted group. Property may be divided between the informer and the state.
REMOVAL FROM SOCIETY - Prisons, rehabilitation camps, 'hospitals', executions and genocide...
("kill them all" "Zero Tolerance")
Reefer Madness, Anslinger, Hearst, Bayer, Farben, Ogilvy & Mather, Demonization
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionprohibitionistwodjunkies.showMessage?topicID=50.topic
I.G.Farben, Ogilvy & Mather, Dupont, Ford, Hearst
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionprohibitionistwodjunkies.showMessage?topicID=49.topic
The Emperor Wears No Clothes
http://www.jackherer.com
Why they call it dope!
http://www.cannabis.com/ezine/just_say_know/2.shtml
More D.E.A.th Deceptions
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Comment #3 posted by mrherbalwarrior on September 17, 2002 at 10:50:03 PT:
Hey, heres a funny idea to help stop terrorism
So i watch these commercials and think, oh my god, im funding terrorists
but wait.....
im funding terrorists becuase my gov't says marijuana is bad, and refuses to think otherwise
if pot was legal, i wouldn't be funding terrorists, i'd be funding philip-morris, or a friend of mine whos got an acre of land, really, most likely, i wouldn't be funding anyone, i'd be growing my own, and people would be funding me.So, if you don't want to support terrorists start drafting a letter to you congressmen telling him, you want to see marijuana legalized so terrorists stop getting money.
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Comment #2 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on September 17, 2002 at 10:24:18 PT
Of course they're idiots. They're in advertising.
This is the helicopter which the CIA filled with cocaine and had Barry Seal fly between Ilopango and Mena, Arkansas:
Crack The CIA
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Comment #1 posted by Dankhank on September 17, 2002 at 09:47:11 PT
cnn now
cnn now...1141 central
story on santa cruz
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