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Drug Czar Visits Canada Wants Tougher War on Pot
Posted by CN Staff on June 12, 2002 at 19:25:39 PT
By Alexander Panetta
Source: Canadian Press
Now's the time to step up the war against marijuana, not to decriminalize it, not to use it for medicinal purposes and certainly not to make it legal, the United States' drug-policy chief said Wednesday. Canada is free to have its medicinal-marijuana program but the drug is dangerous and the American government doesn't agree with the idea, said John Walters, director of national drug policy and cabinet member under President George W. Bush.
Marijuana is the most heavily abused drug in the U.S. and addiction rates have risen in recent years, he said during a two-day trip to Canada."People my age - baby-boomers who have children - do not believe that's possible," Walters told an international meeting of the College on Problems of Drug Dependence. "They went to college, they watched movies like Reefer Madness, they had friends who experimented and they do not believe that you can have a dependency on marijuana. "We have research that suggests otherwise." Of the 4.3 million Americans suffering drug addiction, 65 per cent are dependent on marijuana, he said. "If we're going to effectively face the dependency problem in the United States today, we have to begin doing a better job with marijuana, as well as cocaine, alcohol and the other drugs of abuse," Walters added. Arguments about marijuana include whether to approve the drug for medicinal purposes, to fully legalize it or to decriminalize it, which means the drug would not be legal but users would not be penalized. In Canada, the federal government has taken a more liberal approach to marijuana. More than 250 Canadians have clearance to smoke marijuana provided by the federal government. Ottawa amended drug laws last year to allow such clearance for patients with conditions such as HIV, cancer, and multiple sclerosis. Also, a federal Senate committee on illegal drugs will release a report in August following public hearings. The committee chairman, Senator Pierre Claude Nolin, and Tory Leader Joe Clark have called for the decriminalization of marijuana. Canada can do what it wants - as long as it doesn't affect the U.S., Walters said. "Canada's decision about how it handles this or other issues of regulated substance is its decision. We respect that," Walters told reporters. "(But) it certainly could become a problem if the trade is able to use our borders as a vehicle to enhance their effectiveness to move drugs across the border." As for medicinal marijuana, there are better ways to treat patients than providing them with pot, he said. "We have the most sophisticated and capable medical system in the history of humankind. Smoked marijuana is not likely to be a modern medicine." Proponents of decriminalization dismiss the war on drugs as a waste of time and money. Marijuana leaves no long-term effects on most users, and an estimated 30 to 50 per cent of Canadians aged 15 to 24 have used the drug despite its illegality, critics say. Meanwhile, Canadian federal agencies spend about $500 million each year to fight drugs and more than 30,000 people are charged with simple possession annually, the Senate committee said in a preliminary report last month. But opponents of decriminalization note that most addicted hard-drug users start with marijuana. Complete Title: U.S. Drug Czar Visits Canada and Preaches Tougher War Against Pot Source: Canadian PressAuthor: Alexander PanettaPublished: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 Copyright: 2002 The Canadian PressRelated Articles & Web Site:Canadian Linkshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/can.htmCommittee Invites Advice on Legalizing Marijuana http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread13045.shtmlCanada: The Debate Over Decriminalization http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12697.shtmlShould We Treat Pot Like Tobacco? Senators Ask http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread12696.shtml
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Comment #35 posted by afterburner on October 28, 2012 at 23:17:45 PT
Hope
Remember when we were talking about bombarding John Walters with love?I have been doing something similar to counteract road rage, mine and other peoples.' Based on Timothy Leary's observation in "Jail Notes" that in prison each prisoner must acknowledge the others if s/he is to survive, I have been trying to catch other drivers and even pedestrians and cyclists in the act of good driving or walking acts. Instead of getting mad at bonehead actions that threaten my vehicle or body, I wave when another car does something helpful to the flow of traffic or when a pedestrian waves me turning through an intersection. Lately, I see more waves coming back. Wow! There are actually people in the cars!Cool video:Rhymes And Reasons John Denver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBOUHhIFDN8&feature=relatedBring back the wave!
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Comment #34 posted by Hope on June 13, 2002 at 11:08:24 PT
"Arrogant?"
No doubt. Arrogance is synonymous with "that" kind of pride. That kind of pride leads to a certain sort of blindness, rendering one unable to see the realities and the obstacles of life,though they be right in front of him. We all know the old saying, which, I believe King Solomon, of old, made famous,in the proverbial teachings he wrote down for his sons. "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."That makes me so sad. Most of the "people" of this nation aren't headed for that fall...but it sure looks like our so called "leadership" is, if Solomon was right. To make matters that much worse, I believe Solomon wrote the proverbs for his sons to help them be good rulers...or leaders. "Government is like sausage."
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Comment #33 posted by FoM on June 13, 2002 at 09:09:19 PT
R-earing
I'm very happy to see you again. It's been a long time.
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Comment #32 posted by R-earing on June 13, 2002 at 08:44:53 PT:
Arrogant?
"Canada can do what it wants-unless it affects the US."Have you ever heard anything SOOOO dismissive of a foreign government? (Especially one that is your largest trading partner and ally in the war on terrorism.)It seems to be his opinion that our sovereignty is by his permission only.We'll accept the American position on drugs when "y'all" accept our position on guns.To have the Americans lecture on virtue and health is amazing in it's degree of silliness.More Americans die of gunfire in one day than in a year in Canada.More Americans die of obesity than all Canadian causes combined.
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Comment #31 posted by FoM on June 13, 2002 at 08:05:16 PT
TroutMask
I know you are right. I hope that you all can stand against our pushy political leaders. They embarass me to say the least and I'm so sorry for how they are trying to run your beautiful country. It's so depressing that money will be the issue. It's like what you do with a child. If you aren't good Johnny we won't give you your allowance. That's not the way to accomplish anything.
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Comment #30 posted by TroutMask on June 13, 2002 at 07:59:57 PT
The Way Out
If Canada's courts determine that marijuana prohibition is unconstitutional and/or rule that the Canadian government did not meet the constitutional requirement of easier access to medical marijuana, marijuana will be legal in Canada per the Canadian Constitution. That would be a very easy out for the Canadian government: "WE didn't legalize it! Our Constitution did!" And the US will have an extremely hard time convincing the Canadian people to amend their constitution to prohibit marijuana.Fingers crossed...-TM
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Comment #29 posted by Industrial Strength on June 13, 2002 at 07:06:09 PT
romans again
Nero was hardly the most bizarre emperor Rome had. They had a 17 year old transvestite who was assassinated after anouncing he wanted to be publicly castrated. Caligua made his horse a senator, he also gave him a marble house with an ivory bed. I think it was Octavian (although I am not 100% sure) who decided to become an actor...If anyone left during his performance, he had them killed. Some people became so bored they opted for death. A lot of madmen have ruled Rome.
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Comment #28 posted by Industrial Strength on June 13, 2002 at 06:56:23 PT
Canada
Eventually, Canadian's will get fed up with at least Marijuana prohibition. It seems the media is ever so slowly coming around. Over 50 percent of the population in both Quebec and British Columbia support legalization. I found it intresting that more Quebecers, percentage wise, support legalization than BC'ers. The average Canadian has a dislike of America, we see you for the bumbling, moronic, bully that you are (no disrespect to all you Americans, we have nothing against you the people) and the people of this great country, my adopted homeland, will only take so much.
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Comment #27 posted by goneposthole on June 13, 2002 at 06:39:09 PT
Claudius Nero
Used fat from 'sacrificed ' Christians to light his torches. When Rome burned , he blamed the Christians. He also committed suicide at the age of 31. That is bizarre.
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Comment #26 posted by Lehder on June 13, 2002 at 06:11:45 PT
encroachments by work site Canada on US territory
Here, from the Canadian Centre for Foreign Policy Develoment in Edmonton (whatever that is, I don't know), is a short and very interesting summary page about the economics that will shape US-Canadian relations. Of primary interest to US corporations are petroleum, water, the discovery of diamond deposits in Northern Canada, pipeline routes over Canadian territory. Canada operates on a third-world economic
dependence trade model with the United States, so
how does this affect our sovereignty? One response
was that Canada excels at balancing between
having the most sovereignty and the best economy
possible. Another response was that through
NAFTA, the marketplace is now the key player;
since Canada signed away its natural resources, it
reduces its sovereignty to the status of a work site. The summary is well worth reading in full;
http://www.ecommons.net/ccfpd/main.phtml?city=ed&show=ed_report_3my own, following, comments on US-Canadian border disputes are probably not.Imperialist Canada unlawfully encroaches on the US homeland and waters in four areas: The Dixon Entrance Monday, December 14, 1992 Mr. Garden to move --
Be it resolved that the Government of Canada be advised that this House
opposes nuclear submarines using Dixon Entrance.Long-standing but relatively quiet U.S.-Canadian maritime border dispute at the Alaska-British Columbia
boundary at the Dixon Entrance, south of Alaska’s Prince of Wales Island and north of Canada’s Queen
Charlotte Islands.Web posted Wednesday, August 11, 1999 By ERIC FRY
THE JUNEAU EMPIRE In the aftermath of an international incident this summer, Canada and
the United States are discussing how to enforce fishing rules in the
disputed waters of Dixon Entrance, south of Ketchikan. ``We are trying to develop a practical arrangement where each side
will leave the other's vessels alone,'' said David Balton, who is
leading the American side in the talks for the U.S. State Department. The Canadians want to make sure both parties understand clearly
how the other side will enforce fisheries laws, said David Bevan, the
director general of conservation and protection for the Canadian
Department of Fisheries and Oceans. http://www.state.ak.us/adfg/geninfo/press/1998/7-13-98.htm maps:http://hawk.fab2.albany.edu/fraid/fraid.htm Related to sovereignty concerns, DND argues the Upholders would provide Canada with the
necessary leverage to gain information about allied submarine movements, claiming that "without
submarines, incursions into Canadian waters, without permission, could potentially increase." Four
vessels would allow Canada a permanent submarine presence in the Pacific to respond to the lack
of US consultation about American submarine movements "even in the shared waters of the Straits
of Juan de Fuca," as well as the Dixon Entrance (near the Queen Charlotte Islands) where DND
alleges US submarines travel submerged with "minimal prior notice."
http://www.ploughshares.ca/CONTENT/MONITOR/monm98e.html Beaufort Sea
I have not collected any references here, but am resolved to protect our interests against Canadian incursion. Search Internet.Strait of Juan de Fuca
ditto Machias Seal Island ( Maine )
see picture of Canadian birds divebombing US citizens
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=001RC6---------------
Puffins, too, nest offshore, on Machias Seal Island, almost exactly halfway between Grand Manan
and Cutler, Maine. This tiny island is home of a staffed Canadian lighthouse, as well as Canadian
wildlife personnel; however, the island is claimed by both Canada and the United States, a remnant
boundary dispute from the War of 1812 between England and the United States. While there is disagreement regarding nationality of the island, it is visited by both Canadian and
American birding excursions alike, without the typical customs and immigration clearance required at
other border crossings. There are, however, restrictions as to the numbers of people allowed on the
island each trip and each day, in order to avoid disrupting the nesting seabirds. Thus, only a
restricted number of vessels can make the trip. http://www.quoddyloop.com/gm.shtml All four territorial disputes are named in the CIA World Fact Book (goto United States, scroll to frame bottom):
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/The disputes are interesting - they were news to me - if not terribly serious or significant.But it's a very serious and sick matter that the US should wish to put the squeeze on such a peaceful and respected country by sending Walters to make such hostile and disrespectful remarks. It's almost unbelievable that the US government should wish to sour relations with so good a neighbor, but greed has no limits at all. As usual, and as DCP infers, statements made as matters of fact - even when those statements are blatantly false - can best be interpreted as statements of intent. And US intentions for Canada strike me as sleazy and dishonorable. Americans should be ashamed of their government's actions toward Canada.
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Comment #25 posted by goneposthole on June 13, 2002 at 06:02:45 PT
gods like the ones on Mt.Rushmore?
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt are worshiped consantly from afar. People drive hundreds of miles just to look at their faces. Look at the violence that has been generated from all those guys. Get a grip everybody!
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Comment #24 posted by Letsgetfree on June 13, 2002 at 05:26:34 PT
don't worry about it john...
I really really realy don't think there's anyone with the balls in Ottawa to decrim tha Herb. The Liberal party-err sorry I meant the government because u see we live in a 1 party state- hates rocking the boat, and this would capsize tha sunbitch. So rest easy John....we're all talk... Please prove me wrong Canada.
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Comment #23 posted by Industrial Strength on June 13, 2002 at 04:24:11 PT
come to think of it...
I may be confused with the religion where people would gather at night and dance themselves into a kind of trance which would free them from their everyday life, meaning that women and slaves felt on the same level as the elite ... E, you seem pretty well versed on the subject, perhaps you could confirm my suspicions? They may even have been just a strange sect of Christians...
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Comment #22 posted by Industrial Strength on June 13, 2002 at 04:02:13 PT
romans
For along, long time, there was complete religious freedom in Rome, except for once a year people had to pay lip service to the paganistic traditions.
"Christians renounced all kinds of things that defined Romans, like property, slaves, spouses, parents and children. This felt quite threatening to many Romans, because family was very important in Roman culture, and it had nothing to do with needing a scapegoat." Part of that is true, but if you research it, you will find that the "scapegoat" thing rings true, I just cant at this present second fully pull it out of the depths of my groggy mind.
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Comment #21 posted by E_Johnson on June 13, 2002 at 03:42:52 PT
Roman reasons
The Romans started persecuting Christians for two reasons even when they thought it was a bizarre cult: 1. Christians renounced all kinds of things that defined Romans, like property, slaves, spouses, parents and children. This felt quite threatening to many Romans, because family was very important in Roman culture, and it had nothing to do with needing a scapegoat. 2. Christians refused to take part in Roman pagan public worship. Communal worship in pagan cultures back then was thought to have direct effects on the well being of the people. Chrsitians refusing to take part in public worship was feared by some Romans to bode ill for their country by insulting the gods and goddesses in whom they believed.One reason why Christians were so persecuted is because grisly violent martyrdom was as prized and even fetishized in their culture as it is in suicide bombers in the Middle East today.
So when the Roman courts would give them a chance to plead down or make concessions like agreeing to engage in token public worship to avoid being persecuted, they would refuse and actually seek martyrdom.It's always been a violent religion.
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Comment #20 posted by Industrial Strength on June 13, 2002 at 00:40:21 PT
romans
Actually, for along time, Romans dismissed Christianity as merely a bizzare cult, it was only when the empire started slipping that their democratically elected dictator (Ceasar tried and failed, his newphew Octavian was the first ever Roman Dictator, and they ELECTED him..history repeats itself)...Anyway, where was I? It wasnt until the empire started to slip that the Romans started to victimize christians. They needed a scapegoat. Christians fit the bill. Romans wrote one damn intresting chapter of human history.
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Comment #19 posted by Industrial Strength on June 13, 2002 at 00:36:20 PT
anger
As a Canadian, this just brings forth anger and frustration. Of course they will "disrupt trade", more so than they are doing now. You want to talk about disrupted trade, talk to west coast salmon fishermen, loggers, farmers, steel workers...ad nauseam. I happen to think that stepping, rather, steamrolling over EVERYONE's toes shall be "America's" (as we know it) undoing. Even your strongest allies dislike you. Ever seen the Chris Rock bit about OJ..."he shouldnt have killed her, but, OJ, I understand..."
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Comment #18 posted by freedom fighter on June 12, 2002 at 23:27:42 PT
SirReal,
I tried very hard to listen to your newest wav. file..Not so sureMy ears do'nt work right all the time. Does it sound like Mr. Walters farting big time?ff
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Comment #17 posted by freedom fighter on June 12, 2002 at 23:14:09 PT
But, But, buttt,
Mr. Walters ought to buy one way ticket to China or Iraq or Iran and I do'nt care which but get the HELL out of my country!Gawd! He is a perfect drug war ABUSER!But, But, Butt, get the hell out of my country!ff
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Comment #16 posted by SirReal on June 12, 2002 at 23:12:00 PT
Actually...
...everytime this schmoe speeks,..I here thishttp://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/misc/Keelor01.wav
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Comment #15 posted by goneposthole on June 12, 2002 at 22:56:08 PT
Look out Canada
The Americans are coming! The Americans are coming!
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Comment #14 posted by goneposthole on June 12, 2002 at 22:49:26 PT
Illegal to preach Christianity
It was illegal in Rome, too. The spread of Christianity during the Roman Empire was a threat to how people could be governed (contolled, enslaved), and is analogous to the spread of cannabis here in the US of A. Christians had land, houses and money and a Roman life style. Until they were 'found out', then the Roman government confiscated their land, houses and money and thrown into prison. Sound familar?
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Comment #13 posted by BGreen on June 12, 2002 at 22:26:51 PT
So?
The Taliban were afraid if people heard the Gospel of Christ they might convert. That legitimizes Christianity more than it refutes it.
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Comment #12 posted by Lehder on June 12, 2002 at 21:47:55 PT
you can learn something from anybody, almost
remember when the u.s. first began its invasion of afghanistan - there were some christians being held there for spreading the word. i learned then that it's illegal to preach christianity in afghanistan, probably in a lot of islamic countries. it's regarded as dangerous bullshit.and you will remember that it was bush lite who said, "there should be limits to free speech."but i have better things to think about. nothing can be learned from walters. adios.
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Comment #11 posted by DCP on June 12, 2002 at 21:42:00 PT
Note the Threat
"It certainly could become a problem if the trade is able to use our borders as a vehicle to enhance their effectiveness to move drugs across the border," he said of drug smugglers."
What he is saying is that if Canada legalizes cannabis, then the US will disrupt trade with Canada. DCP
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Comment #10 posted by Lehder on June 12, 2002 at 21:24:24 PT
deal with him
Walters said there were better ways to treat patients than smoking marijuana.yes, we've heard of it: prison.there are better ways of dealing with assholes, too. ask my homeboys.
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Comment #9 posted by E_Johnson on June 12, 2002 at 21:13:11 PT
Even Republicansdon't stand behind this schmoe!!!!
I had my nails done today and I got a conversation going about Ashcroft and medical marijuana and there was not one woman in that salon who backed the Bush adminsitration on medical marijuana.And this was at an expensive day spa frequented by the rich Republican persuasion, none of the staff even have piercings.Even the Christian lady who thanks Jesus Christ for everything was against Ashcroft.
America is not behind Walters. Members of his own party are not behind him. The rich are not behind him, the poor are not behind him. If only there was some way of showing that more strongly and clearly.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on June 12, 2002 at 21:10:42 PT
Related News Article from The Associated Press
U.S. Drug Czar Calls for War on Marijuana During Visit to Canada
Wednesday, June 12, 2002
Copyright: 2002 Associated Press
(06-12) 18:08 PDT QUEBEC (AP)
Canada should get tough on marijuana instead of decriminalizing the drug or allowing people to use it for medicinal purposes, U.S. drug policy chief John Walters said Wednesday.
"Canada's decision about how it handles this or other issues of regulated substance is its decision. We respect that," Walters told reporters during a two-day visit for an international meeting of the College on Problems of Drug Dependence.
But he made it clear the American government disagrees with recent moves in Canada to liberalize drug policies.
More than 250 Canadians have federal government clearance to smoke marijuana for medical reasons. Canada amended drug laws last year to allow patients with conditions such as HIV, cancer, and multiple sclerosis to use marijuana legally.
Walters said there were better ways to treat patients than smoking marijuana.
A Canadian Senate committee has expressed initial support for decriminalizing marijuana, with its final report due in August following public hearings. A preliminary report released in May said no scientific evidence exists that marijuana use leads to harder drugs, or that it is more dangerous to society than alcohol.
Canadian federal agencies spend about $326 million each year to fight drugs and more than 30,000 people are charged with simple possession annually, the preliminary report said.
If Canada follows the committee's initial recommendations, marijuana would still be illegal, but users would not be penalized. That would differ from the zero tolerance policy of the U.S. government.
Walters, the director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said that of the 4.3 million Americans suffering drug addiction, 65 percent are dependent on marijuana.
Liberal drug laws in Canada would be a concern for the United States, Walters said.
"It certainly could become a problem if the trade is able to use our borders as a vehicle to enhance their effectiveness to move drugs across the border," he said of drug smugglers.
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Comment #7 posted by E_Johnson on June 12, 2002 at 21:07:37 PT
As if they asked permission
Canada is free to have its medicinal-marijuana program but the drug is dangerous and the American government doesn't agree with the idea, said John Walters, director of national drug policy and cabinet member under President George W. Bush.How nice for him to say this, but what drug is he on to think that he can give Canadian health service permission to do something they have already done?
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Comment #6 posted by Lehder on June 12, 2002 at 21:07:18 PT
the ugliest american
unbelievable arrogance. unbelievable that he hasn't been stoned. i just read that, under u.s. pressure, cambodia criminalized weed three years ago. about twenty years ago the u.s. accomplished the same in india. maybe you canadians have no self respect either. you accept such condescension and insult? is he taxing your whisky and taking your women too? palabras que lucha, cabrone! maybe, like most of the rest of the world, you're ripe for exploitation by u.s. corporations. you'll regret it: drug warring is just a foot in the door. ugh, canada.before i knew better i was grossed out by machismo, but there's more to it than i saw.
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Comment #5 posted by st1r_dude on June 12, 2002 at 20:58:50 PT
what about tobacco and booze, john ???
"Marijuana is the most heavily abused drug in the U.S. and addiction rates have risen in recent years, he said during a two-day trip to Canada."
my response to john walter's claim -
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Comment #4 posted by st1r_dude on June 12, 2002 at 20:47:02 PT
maroon - from our favorite bunny, bugs
maroon: bugs bunny's version of moron, yepper !http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:XqRPxPSfpzYC:www.barbneal.com/bugs.asp+bugs+bunny+maroon&hl=en&ie=UTF8scroll down and click on bugs29.wav and bugs34.wavits my favorite hare giving his opinion of john walters...i would love to have a loud speaker playing these sound-bites every time walters makes one of his moronic statements, as in the above article...then laugh hysterically like bugs... enjoy -st1r
bugs bunny's response to john walters
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Comment #3 posted by hempity on June 12, 2002 at 20:25:39 PT
"what a maroon"
"Canada can do what it wants - as long as it doesn't affect the U.S., Walters said."
Seems the US can do what it likes no matter who it affects, what arogance what ignorance, it is appalling that this man represents anyone.
I agree "what a maroon" or is that moron?
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Comment #2 posted by p4me on June 12, 2002 at 19:49:39 PT
I was wondering what happenned
It really seems that this article should have said that Walters spoke Wednesday at The College on Problems of Drug Dependence. I just came from their website- http://views.vcu.edu/cpdd/ -and could find nothing at this early time.Does anyone know where to find the quote about "It is the duty of a patriot to rid the government of corruption?" I read it in a list of over 1000 quotes on civil liberties but now can not locate that list or quote.Yes, I would like to see the new free government hang Walters too. Instead of the casting of stones maybe it would be more appropriate to anchor him in a deep pool and let Americans pee in it until he drowns. The country is in bad shape and when the world boycotts our products people will wish for the present rotten economy.1
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Comment #1 posted by st1r_dude on June 12, 2002 at 19:46:06 PT
wah wah wah -
"Canada is free to have its medicinal-marijuana program but the drug is dangerous and the American government doesn't agree with the idea, said John Walters, director of national drug policy and cabinet member under President George W. Bush." what a maroon - the epitome of complete cluelessness.note how he states the american government, not the american people disagree with canadian MMJ policy...at least he got that one right - DOH !i'll say it again - what a maroon.
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