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Will of Oregon Voters Meaningless To Ashcroft 
Posted by FoM on November 17, 2001 at 09:21:05 PT
By Ellen Goodman, Syndicated Columnist
Source: Seattle Times
Let me see if I have this straight. We have terrorists on the loose, anthrax wafting through the mail and the Justice Department is in hot pursuit of ... terminally ill patients? We have another plane crash to investigate, a network of foreign "sleepers" apparently eluding the FBI, and Attorney General John Ashcroft is taking aim at ... the state of Oregon? 
What's going on here? The rest of us are worried about suicide bombers. He's worried about doctor-assisted suicide. Who is Ashcroft's public enemy No. 1: Oncologist bin Laden? It was bizarre enough last month when federal law-enforcement officers began a crackdown on cannabis clubs in California that provide medical marijuana to AIDS and cancer patients. I chalked that up to reefer madness. Then Ashcroft, using the same legal ploy, decided to go after an Oregon law permitting and regulating assisted suicide. He issued a blunt directive to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) that doctors would lose their licenses to prescribe federally controlled drugs if they prescribed them for assisted suicides. Doctors obeying the state law would be breaking the federal law. Is it possible that the attorney general took the president too seriously about getting back to "normal"? Politics as usual? Assisted suicide has been on the national agenda since Jack Kevorkian used carbon monoxide — not a controlled substance, by the way — on his first patient. He jump-started a passionate argument about the right to die and a deep conversation about the need for compassionate care at the end of life. Oregon was the first state to pass a careful law allowing doctors to provide, though not administer, a lethal prescription to patients with less than six months to live who wanted the drugs and were judged capable of making that choice. The voters passed this referendum in 1994 and again by a wider margin in 1997. Since then, only 70 Oregonians have chosen assisted suicide. But more have found comfort in having the option. Now it appears that elections make little impression on Ashcroft. After all, the former senator lost one in 2000 to the late Mel Carnahan, only to gain a Cabinet seat for his conservative views. Remember back in 1997 when the Supreme Court ruled that there wasn't any right to die in the Constitution but encouraged state experiments? In Chief Justice William Rehnquist's words, "Our holding permits this debate to continue as it should in a democratic society." But the attorney general ordered the DEA to do what Congress, the courts and the voters didn't do: stop the debate and upend the state law. A group of doctors and patients have won a temporary injunction, but the whole mess goes to court next Tuesday. Ashcroft is not the only opponent of assisted suicide who frames it as a "pro-life" issue. But there is something particularly perverse in applying "pro-life" politics and "rescue" rhetoric to patients who are dying. Richard Holmes, one of the patients in the suit, told a reporter, "I'd love to stay alive. ... But I've also had enough medical diagnosis to know this, that my days are numbered." Near the end of a long battle with liver cancer, he wants to be able to choose that number. Of course, no one needs a barbiturate to end his life. "I could do myself in a lot of other ways. I've got three guns in the house," he says. But isn't this where we came in? Scare tactics will not only frighten doctors away from prescribing drugs for patients considering suicide. It will frighten doctors away from giving patients an alternative: enough painkillers to make their last days bearable. In his order, Ashcroft writes blithely, confidently, that there are "distinctions between intentionally causing a patient's death and providing sufficient dosages of pain medication necessary to eliminate or alleviate pain." But that is not nearly as clear to doctors who use, say, morphine in a delicate balance between relieving pain and hastening death. As we lie dying, do we want our own doctors worrying that DEA agents are counting how many painkillers make a criminal? Every study will tell you that dying patients are more terrified of pain than death. Surely, the attorney general of the United States should be fighting terror, not promoting it. Source: Seattle Times (WA)Author: Ellen Goodman, Syndicated ColumnistPublished: Friday, November 16, 2001 Copyright: 2001 The Seattle Times CompanyContact: opinion seatimes.comWebsite: http://www.seattletimes.com/Related Articles & Web Sites:Los Angeles County Research Centerhttp://www.lacbc.org/Medicinal Cannabis Research Linkshttp://freedomtoexhale.com/research.htm John Ashcroft Declares War On Non-Terrorists http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread11361.shtmlPot Club Crackdown - Mother Joneshttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread11360.shtmlLatest Showdown Over Assisted Suicidehttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread11344.shtml 
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Comment #45 posted by FoM on November 19, 2001 at 20:40:48 PT
World Link TV
Hi Everyone,If you have Direct TV there is this channel that has different news on it. Right now it is called Radioactive America. Thought I'd pass it on. It's channel 375 on DTV.WORLD IN CRISIS
Search For Peace and Justice: A Global Perspective
http://www.worldlinktv.com/
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on November 19, 2001 at 18:30:02 PT
Lehder
My oh my did you say a lot. I'm afraid I think you're right.
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Comment #43 posted by lookinside on November 19, 2001 at 18:19:48 PT:
lehder...
an excellent piece...deserving of the top center on any editorial page in the world... your fears are founded on facts...i think that our gut feelings about the criminal activities of our "leadership" fall short of the horrible truth...hopefully something will expose their REAL agenda before the borders close and the elections are cancelled...
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Comment #42 posted by goneposthole on November 19, 2001 at 06:18:24 PT
it's too good, Lehder
You've outdone yourself. Hats off to ya, outstanding.
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Comment #41 posted by Silent_Observer on November 19, 2001 at 05:57:52 PT
Lehder..
An insightful and absorbing piece of writing, as always - thank you.
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Comment #40 posted by Lehder on November 19, 2001 at 05:05:53 PT
war
Do you really sense the beginning of the end of civilzation in its genuine form?Yes. Not the end of all civilization, but the end of America. And I am pessimistic but not without hope. That's why I have such a big mouth.Exactly as Hitler blamed Jews for Germany's hyperinflation, unemployment and wounded national pride, American politicians have attributed our problems of crime, poverty and poor education to drugs. This propaganda allows politicians and the public who feel better about themselves by believing it to be satisfied with a quick answer explaining everything and solving nothing. The causes of the problems can be ignored, so social and economic conditions only grow worse - allowing, in turn, for more effort and money to be expended on fighting drugs, again exacerbating the original problems. The new programs to fight drugs (or Jews) then empower more and more brutal and ignorant people ( like SWAT and SS ) who take pleasure and pride in persecuting those who would be productive and willing and able to solve the original problems. It's a self feeding cycle of propaganda, social decline, anger, empowerment of the ignorant, and more propaganda. It produces an ever sharpening focus on a false belief that arises from frustration and prejudice, is fed by the easy explanations of propaganda, and which saps a society and culture of its life and decency. It is easy for leaders to exploit the madness and achieve personal power and success by, for example, introducing harsh measures against Jews or executing 130+ people in Texas. As conditions grow worse, as people grow impatient for solutions, as more and more of the brutal and unthinking are empowered to fight Jews or drugs and all the while are rewarded for their destruction and told they are doing God's work, the climate grows warm for dictatorship, tyranny and genocide.There are many examples of this sort of catastrophic dynamic wherein an obsession and concentration of resources and power lead to a collapse. The crash of Internet stocks in the spring of 2000 is one. What started as good investment in a new industry became an obsession. For a while, everyone made money easily. It became almost a religion, people claiming that it did not matter what you paid for an Internet stock because it would always go up. The market averages rose each day, but the numbers reflected only the huge increases in about a hundred overpriced and often profitless companies; there was diminishing justification all the time in the broad economy for such numbers. If you tried to make this argument you were shouted down. But the stocks collapsed.The tyranny of the drug war is not restricted to the broad policies of the federal government, but is destructive of relationships and social intercourse on personal scales too: kids hiding their dope from parents while parents hide their dope from kids; people who use drugs declining friendships because they wonder if new acquaintances also use drugs or if they are narcs while people who hate drugs fearing if new acquaintances are addicted to drugs and are they going to steal from their purse - are they just having coffee or casing the house; people making false reports to the police about drug use for revenge against a real or imagined slight. i have read news reports several times about grow rooms or dealers or even occasional users busted because spiteful ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends made a true, false or exaggerated police report. Kids in school are taught to turn in their parents, parents are urged to drug test and spy on their children. An ugly and unnatural, fear-inspiring dynamic is introduced into society by totalitarian movements. When the Berlin Wall was dismantled fully 1/3 of the East German population were informants for Stasi(sp?), the secret police.Totalitarian movements are destructive to societies both macroscopically - sapping the economy, undermining institutions, disenfranchising and destroying productive people, exacerbating existing problems - and microscopically - testing, trying and often destroying even the strongest interpersonal bonds. And that is how tyrants like to see their subjects: isolated, afraid, wanting in the basics of life and without physical or spiritual resource except by the bureaucratic graces of the state. These movements drive people on both sides of them out of their minds, ruin much of what makes life enjoyable, and arouse enmity domestically (there are estimated to be two to four million armed "militiamen" whom I do not love either) and internationally (I think you've noticed). Yet there seems no way to stop these movements' progress so long as they feed on themselves, rewarding the many who take monetary ( the homes of Jews sent to the ghettos didn't just disappear, you know - they were given to the police and to informers ) and emotional (tyrannical bureaucrats just love persecuting and casually manipulating you) profit from them. Any true leader who tries to warn of the danger and restore sanity to public life is quickly shouted down, called a traitor ("soft on drugs" or "sympathetic to terrorists") or barred from the media and political debate. Every success in taming the drug war - as legalization of medical marijuana - is heartlessly put down by the totalitarian movement. So I do not see how to stop the totalitarian movement, now bolstered by its newly hatched war on terrorism. There is every possibilty that the war on "drugs" and "terrorism" will end as the Fascist movement ended: with the destruction of its host society. It is not impossible, though, that the whole war could collapse more peacefully just as the Berlin Wall did and as did the Soviet Union two years later. That sort of end would certainly be preferable to the Nazi end. But if life in America must become as bleak and precarious as in East Germany or Russia for the drug war to end, well, good luck. Also, darkly, I think that our own war movement, so focused on and empowered by a single object of blind hatred, has more in common with the Nazi movement that with the former USSR. Maybe the Internet will be successful in exposing the drug war's injustices and eventually we can simply vote these horrible people out of office; maybe people like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond (now 99 and a senator still - does this make sense??) will eventually die off and we'll finally be shed of them. Maybe. If 87% of the people continue to get nearly all their news from television and radio, then maybe not. If it were demonstrated in the foreign press that the Bush family is indeed guilty of some kind of purposeful, passive acceptance of the plane attacks to further their own ends, or if someone gets up on his tiptoes and looks through a corporate window and sees a smirking George bundling big heaps of cocaine-tainted, oily cash and manages to live - then maybe it could end sooner and peacefully.I hope that my worst projections are entirely wrong. I'd love to wake up feeling humiliated and stupid one fine day with everyone telling me how foolish my fears have been, and get back to interesting work in earnest without having to think about war war war. But I was born under the incessantly repeated threat of nuclear annihilation, lived through the cold war, McCarthy, Korea, Vietnam, many other smaller wars, the drug war (so far) and war war war. I think there has not been even a single day when America was not under somebody's doomsday threat or when we were not at war or threatening war or told that we were threatened by war with somebody, and it does get tiresome. As I have said: there are better ways to spend our money and better things to do with our time!
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Comment #39 posted by freedom fighter on November 18, 2001 at 23:55:22 PT
Dark days ahead
When a country "pretend" to be free, I am afraid of every word I typed.To some folks, the day you got your SSN is the day you became a subject of a government. In other word, you are a slave.It sounds corny but hey, you got your SSN when you were 10-12 yr old. You signed a contract which are not even legal because you were not of an age to be able to agree to a contract. Today, 4-5 yr old are forced to get SSN. If you sign a contract, you are suppose to be of a legal age, 18 yr old or so! In other word, the contract you signed to obtain SSN was under duress. I am afraid as I typed these words out. Because once you become a subject of a government, the 1-10 amendments of Consitution just does not apply to you. Consitution is just a toliet paper to wipe your bottom, while you can pretend you are free.Most importantly, Mr. Asscroft and Mr. Bush are doing this in your name. If you want to call yourself a civilized being, you better think twice.You may think because I typed these words out, I still have the freedom of speech but I do not think so because I am afraid. I am afraid that it is only going to get darker ever so slowly everyday.I can only hope that there be a bright candle shining on a hill.ff
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Comment #38 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 18:09:29 PT
Fear Central
applies even more when the source is our own power elite - for me anyway...
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Comment #37 posted by goneposthole on November 18, 2001 at 18:03:46 PT
smirk on George Bush's face
If I had any information about the terrorist attacks or any information about the anthrax mailings, I would be scared to death. Trying to collect the 1.25 million dollar bounty would also be a death sentence. It would only take hours, too. A definite Catch 22 and I would take no part at all.Fear Central is not just NYC, it is everywhere. Thanks a lot American politicians!My apologies if I offended you, Lehder.L-eagle eyes
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Comment #36 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 17:50:49 PT
Lehder..
Lurking behind all the metaphorical references in all our posts, I can't help but detect a sense of hopelessness for the future.Do you really sense the beginning of the end of civilzation in its genuine form? By that I mean genuine compassion, civility and consideration for people and the planet itself.I seem to live each day with this growing unease in the pit of my stomach. Every time I hear a siren, every time I see a state trooper, I feel like I'm experiencing the Gestapo entering my life. Why do I feel like I'm living in a police state? 
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Comment #35 posted by Lehder on November 18, 2001 at 17:03:43 PT
to our health
Suggesting that George, Bush Sr. or Jr. should be put to death is not a very healthy attitude towards our present RULERS. I made no such suggestion, but I would be available for jury duty should trials for murder, genocide or treason be held. I would vote, if a verdict of guilty were reached, against the death penalty, despite the fact that GB2 was nominated for the presidency in part on the strength of his record as the country's most prolific executioner. 
I do suggest that Congress investigate the Carlyle-bin-Laden-Bush-9/11-FBI-CIA connections which are all over the Internet and can be found in major newspapers throughout the world. After all, Nixon was investigated for far less than whatever nebulous but very dark transgressions these reports insinuate, and Clinton was investigated for having a girlfriend.So far as health goes, starving 7.5 million Afghans and driving them from their homes in the approaching winter - which can go to 40 below - is unhealthy for one and all involved, including all Americans. I am uncomfortable, physically and morally, being an American and therefore someone who is hated world-wide by ever growing numbers.But I do get your point, and you are quite right. Were I to peer down some dark alley and spy George Bush hacking up a body and he were to look up with a smirk on his face and mentally photograph me, then I would know that I had but hours to live. 
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Comment #34 posted by freedom fighter on November 18, 2001 at 10:42:17 PT
Bringing a Harry Potter book to airport
can kick you out of the airports...Read the article about one journalist who's freedom of speech being denied..
http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2001-10-25/cover.asphttp://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtmlhttp://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=102144ff
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Comment #33 posted by goneposthole on November 18, 2001 at 09:40:23 PT
DEA
DEPRAVED EVIL A  HOLES IS WHAT CAPTAIN KONA CALLS THEM.GO TO YAHOOKA, TYPE IN 'CAPTAIN KONA'. HE HAS GOOD IDEAS AND A GOOD SITE.ALSO, JOHN GALT, JR. HAS A GOOD SITE. HERE IS THE LINK:
webstation # 19
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Comment #32 posted by Patrick on November 18, 2001 at 09:22:41 PT
if this don't work never mind
Attorney General - Attorney Mullah
Attorney General - Allah General
DEA - Drug Edicts of Allah
DEA - Department of Evil Ashcroft or Department of Evil of Asa
Supreme Court - Supreme Dictatorship
Supreme Court - Supreme Taliban Ruling
Undercover Agent - Officer of Vice and Virtue sneaking around with the tool of entrapment
Democracy - Ruling elitists tossing the will of the people back in their face. 
Right to bear arms - 40,000 plus gun laws to prevent the people from ever over turning a government that has far out reached its authority and has become a ruling tyranny. 
Right to pursue Happiness - The right to pursue the ruling mullah's vision of happiness or be arrested. 
Compassion - the right to buy $10 toxic pills instead of using herbal remedies that work.
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Comment #31 posted by Patrick on November 18, 2001 at 09:16:58 PT
oops
Here are a few other suggestions:I hope this reads better than the last oneAttorney General - Attorney Mullah
Attorney General - Allah General
DEA - Drug Edicts of Allah
DEA - Department of Evil Ashcroft or Department of Evil of Asa
Supreme Court - Supreme Dictatorship
Supreme Court - Supreme Taliban Ruling
Undercover Agent - Officer of Vice and Virtue sneaking around with the tool of entrapment
Democracy - Ruling elitists tossing the will of the people back in their face. 
Right to bear arms - 40,000 plus gun laws to prevent the people from ever over turning a government that has far out reached its authority and has become a ruling tyranny. 
Right to pursue Happiness - The right to pursue the ruling mullah's vision of happiness or be arrested. 
Compassion - the right to buy $10 toxic pills instead of using herbal remedies that work.
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Comment #30 posted by Patrick on November 18, 2001 at 09:15:10 PT
E_Johnson
Here are a few other suggestions:Attorney General - Attorney Mullah
Attorney General - Allah General
DEA - Drug Edicts of Allah
DEA - Department of Evil Ashcroft or Department of Evil of Asa
Supreme Court - Supreme Dictatorship
Supreme Court - Supreme Taliban Ruling
Undercover Agent - Officer of Vice and Virtue sneaking around with the tool of entrapment
Democracy - Ruling elitists tossing the will of the people back in their face.
Right to bear arms - 40,000 plus gun laws to prevent the people from ever over turning a government that has far out reached its authority and has become a ruling tyranny.
Right to pursue Happiness - The right to pursue the ruling mullah's vision of happiness or be arrested.
Compassion - the right to buy $10 toxic pills instead of using herbal remedies that work.
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Comment #29 posted by FoM on November 18, 2001 at 09:08:51 PT
Silent_Observer & Everyone
I get a definite sick feeling in my stomach when I see Bush. I change the channel as fast as I can find the remote control. I liked listening to Clinton but Bush can't talk. I find myself trying to help him find a few words when he speaks. I can type faster then he can complete a sentence speaking and I sure don't type fast. That is pathetic.
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Comment #28 posted by goneposthole on November 18, 2001 at 09:05:48 PT
cleaning house
It looks like to me that anthrax has done the job.I read at the UNDERNEWS that people are afraid to visit the U.S. Capitol.
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Comment #27 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 09:03:49 PT
FoM..
I don't recall the auto incident; but that whole Bush family makes me sick. 
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Comment #26 posted by goneposthole on November 18, 2001 at 09:03:00 PT
Oh, I forgot
about Good Friday and Easter Sunday. Those would be good days to crucify and bury a great many innocents.The World Trade Center disaster was an attempt to 'rape' a culture. The two planes flying into the WTC makes me think of rape.Sometimes, 'me thinks' that the murders of Tom Crosslin and Rolland Rohm are somehow connected to what happened eight days later. I'm not a believer in 'conspiracy theories', but there is a conspiracy.Sometimes I sits and think and sometimes I just sits.
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Comment #25 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 09:02:02 PT
posthole..I agree..
but how about putting them to their political deaths?What are the odds of cleaning house in the Congress, the Senate and the White House?
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on November 18, 2001 at 09:01:17 PT
Silent_Observer & Everyone
I have a real problem with Laura Bush too. Have you ever noticed and I'm sure you have that politicans only talk to small children and very, very old people? People that are in their productive years get bypassed all the time because we all have good arguments and wisdom. They don't like wisdom. Did she kill a person while driving drunk years ago? I think that is right but I haven't heard that mentioned in a long time and I think I only heard it one time before Bush was made president.
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Comment #23 posted by lookinside on November 18, 2001 at 08:25:53 PT:
executions...
lehder...i think which ever bush is closest to a telephone pole and a rope should go first...just depends on how fast someone can tie a hangman's knot...actually that should be done in advance so that no time is wasted...while we're at it, there are about a million more who deserve to join the bushes...nearly ALL of congress...most of the elected politicians in each state...the DEA in totality...most of the FBI...local DA's...most street cops...ALL of these folks are desecrating the constitution and destroying the lives of the innocent...hang em all...with hemp rope...
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Comment #22 posted by goneposthole on November 18, 2001 at 08:23:38 PT
Seditious acts
Suggesting that George, Bush Sr. or Jr. should be put to death is not a very healthy attitude towards our present RULERS. We are no longer governing ourselves but are being ruled. What a revoltin' development this has become. I do not believe in the death penalty, a 10 X 10 x 10 hole in the ground with only bread and water is more humane.What do I fear most about all of this? To mete out a death penalty to some is the last thing on my mind. I fear what may happen on Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Memorial Day, and most of all Independence Day.  A question for Emily Post: Is it proper to conduct wholesale terrorism on those days by people hellbent to destroy anything and everything that does not conform to their beliefs? Maybe the prohibitionists could supply an appropriate answer. They are the ones responsible for the present day problems we so fearingly endure. Freedom endures? Maybe, flip a coin.
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Comment #21 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 07:54:50 PT
Lehder's point
is echoed every single time by Harry Browne - and even by Jesse Ventura occasionally.I'm personally disgusted by the Bushes (if Laura Bush is such a good mother, how come their kids get caught trying to booze it up all the time?), all the "I'm from Texas" grandstanding (get rid of that place in Kennebunkport then) and just about everything the Bushes stand for. Not that I'm any less disgusted by what the Gores stand for.Sick...sick...sick.... 
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Comment #20 posted by Lehder on November 18, 2001 at 06:42:09 PT
a question of propriety
Political service was never intended as a career. Two or three or four years of service, as in getting called by Selective Service, should be the longest stints in politics, and then back to the farm. Even Washington declined nomination for a third term as president. Yet our choice in 2000 was between the career-term representatives of two political dynasties, while legitimate alternative candidates remained invisible, treated as jokes and barred from the media. Nothing good could have been expected from either Bush or Gore. The U.S. is now a dictatorship with no Bill of Rights and the legislative and judicial branches subservient to the chief executive.But I'm a bit befuddled on one point and ask you a queston on term limitations: What is the common prescript or etiquette in the circumstance that two chief executives, father and son, are convicted of mass murder and treason and condemned to die in a federal execution chamber? Is it the father who is first laid to rest, or the son? I can find no answer on the Internet. Maybe someone has a copy of Emily Post handy. Thank you.
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Comment #19 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 06:18:26 PT
By the way...
Am I the only one nauseated by the sanctimonious Laura Bush?
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Comment #18 posted by Silent_Observer on November 18, 2001 at 06:14:18 PT
CS, FoM et al
As correctly pointed out, neither Bush nor Gore deserves to be President. We would have had some other troubling issue with Gore - remember, every insecure politican needs a war to solidify his/her support base.All this only reinforces my long-standing belief - ain't a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and the Reps.To make matters worse, I bet you all that Bush gets re-elected by a landslide come 2004.What a tragedy.
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Comment #17 posted by Bounce to the Ounce on November 17, 2001 at 21:07:15 PT
Bush vs. Gore
I dont support Bush but I dont think Gore would be doing a great job, either. Republican or Democrat, most politicians are ruled by greed and corruption. Yeah, with Bush we have his far rightwing religious stuff, but Al "Let's ban everything for the sake of the children" Gore wouldnt exactly be benifiting the common man if he were in office.
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Comment #16 posted by FoM on November 17, 2001 at 20:53:38 PT
CongressmanSuet
I don't like Bush or Gore. I dislike Gore less then Bush. What a way to have to say this but neither of them would be what I want in a president but what can you do? America the land where they tell us we have choices but we really don't.As far as the Bush administration choices they are worse then what Gore's would have been. The republicans and religious leaders are too close for comfort for me. I was sick when Bush got in.
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Comment #15 posted by CongressmanSuet on November 17, 2001 at 19:08:26 PT
 I agree FoM...
 This has been in the works for a long time...but let me ask you this...Do you believe Gore would have appointed cabinet members and advisors with such religious stances? Do you think the AG under Gore would be talking about "crusades"? Would there have been the tax cuts for the rich that there are now? A Gore presidency would of course been addled in political mire, but would Gore make a special point of trying to federally close the Compassion clubs in Ca.? I think not. And to think I didnt really like the guy...
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Comment #14 posted by MikeEEEEE on November 17, 2001 at 18:44:24 PT
Fear Central
I'm hearing sirens while writing this, but I'm used to it, this is NYC, fear central.CongressmanSuet said it right, You reap what you sew... 
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Comment #13 posted by FoM on November 17, 2001 at 16:49:18 PT
My 2 cents
I think this was planned before Bush was made president. They were only partially successful when they tried to blow up the World Trade Center the first time a few years ago. This hatred for the US goes back a long time. I haven't heard any sirens but I live way out in the country. If anything it is strange the silence. Very few planes and no helicopters since 9-11. I sure don't mind the silence but it is very odd.
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Comment #12 posted by Silent_Observer on November 17, 2001 at 16:31:49 PT
CS..
I think things would have been just as bad with Gore, perhaps in a different way.Is it just me, or have other people noticed a significant increase in police and ambulance sirens? I'm getting so jumpy these days - not a night goes by in this hitherto quiet neighborhood without wailing of sirens for several hours.Feels like a prelude to a massive invasion - its anybody's guess who the invader is.
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Comment #11 posted by CongressmanSuet on November 17, 2001 at 16:11:48 PT
 Cry about this evil incarnate...
  piece of neonazi roadkill all you want,but he couldnt be pulling this crap wthout the approval of King George[ you know, the guy so many of you actually believed when he came out with his "states rights" BS] Did no one learn from Nixon, Reagen, and Daddy Bush that the Republican party is nothing more than an enormous revival meeting that will kill you if they have to, to SAVE you? Sure, the Dems are awfull in their own way[ I cant Believe Feinstein was mayor of SF] but do you think we would be in the mess we are in today if Gore was elected? NO WAY!!! Im starting to think the terrorist attacks were a direct method of repayment for Daddy Bush and his "big business" excursions around the globe. You reap what you sew...
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Comment #10 posted by kaptinemo on November 17, 2001 at 12:51:10 PT:
Ever notice something about people like Ashcroft?
They never talk to their victims.They have all kinds of legal advisors...but for those who profess such tender concern for those they condemn to painful lingering deaths, they...don't have the time. To my knowledge, at only one news conference was there ever a confrontation between those being 'served' - and those 'public servants' doing the 'serving'. That was when Elvy Musikka bravely gave McC a piece of her mind.Nope, the Grand Poo-bahs assiduously avoid ever having to face those they have wrongly incarcerated...reduced to penury...or even murdered, all under 'color of law'. And now they want to sick and dying to suffer. Such 'compassion' is deserving of a residency in one of Dante's Rings of Hell. 
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on November 17, 2001 at 12:30:15 PT
Pentecostal 
Lehder believe it or not but don't anyone be angry with me for saying I was also Pentecostal plus raised Catholic to boot. Being Pentecostal can really mess up a persons head and that is why I no longer attend any church. I do much better on my own.
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Comment #8 posted by Lehder on November 17, 2001 at 12:23:20 PT
opus dei
...his attorney general, J.D. Ashcroft, is a Pentecostal Christian who starts each day at eight with a prayer meeting attended by Justice Department employees eager to be drenched in the blood of the lamb. In 1999, Ashcroft told Bob Jones University graduates that America was founded on religious principles (news to Jefferson et al.) and "we have no king but Jesus."Read the article:"The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh" by Gore Vidal in Vanity Fair, September, 2001See the girl:who loves Venezuela, advertising a denim skirt for GAP. You might never exhale again.
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Comment #7 posted by Silent_Observer on November 17, 2001 at 11:57:31 PT
yup....
Mullah Mohammad Ashcroft
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Comment #6 posted by goneposthole on November 17, 2001 at 11:39:47 PT
The Honorable AG Ashcroft
Lighten up on the guy. He's a nice guy. All he wants to do is help people stay alive for a few more sunsets. Sheesh, give him a break. Of course he looks like he is ready to slam down three martinis at a time, but that is beside the point. Judge not lest you be judged; I will politely excuse myself from God's Holy Place when he is brought in for the judgment he may receive. Boy, will he be surprised. Satan is wringing his hands with delight. He might be in a hot seat now, but the searing heat that is awaiting him will make him jump.Wee doggies, that is hot.God may not forgive for this, but he needs a good laugh, too.
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Comment #5 posted by E_Johnson on November 17, 2001 at 11:09:52 PT
Mullah Ashcroft
Let's stick him with the nickname Mullah Ashcroft, it's good and timely and fairly appropriate.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on November 17, 2001 at 10:55:18 PT
About Ashcroft
I know appearance means nothing when it comes to figuring out a person's character but Ashcroft is so scary looking to me. He looks like come hell or high water everyone will be a good little Christian and people like that freak me out and I am from a Christian background.
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Comment #3 posted by markjc on November 17, 2001 at 10:47:33 PT:
Fuk Ashcroft
Why couldn't the terrorists have taken him out?
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Comment #2 posted by MikeEEEEE on November 17, 2001 at 10:19:01 PT
Brown shirt wanta bes
Dial 1-800-Ashcroft.Scare tactics will not only frighten doctors away from prescribing drugs for patients considering suicide. It will frighten doctors away from giving patients an alternative: enough painkillers to make their last days bearable. 
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Comment #1 posted by Silent_Observer on November 17, 2001 at 09:53:57 PT
Is it time yet?
To say...Heil Ashcroft?
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