Rainbow Farm Outcry

Rainbow Farm Outcry
Posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 14:38:22 PT
Law Doesn't Cover Cannabis 
Source: Herald-Palladium
Editor, When Tom Crosslin's state representative and federal congressional representatives were elected, they swore defense of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Yet, when Tom was being threatened by the state authorities, and eventually the FBI, where were his representatives? No matter the law. No law usurps the Constitution. Cannabis, as any other substance, is outside the federal government's authority. Seizing property without due process is unconstitutional. 
Yet not a hand was raised in his defense by his elected officials. Is this representative government or cowardice? Is this how the folks of Cass County want to be treated by their government? You had better open your eyes! Waco may be in Texas but the FBI can be in your yard whenever they want to. Are we free, or prisoners of our government? Bruce Rideout Madison, Wis. Police Only Know One Way - Violence Editor, Back in 1982 in Winder, Ga., a very similar standoff ended in the death of my father, John B. McMillan. Why don't these police units learn about other ways of doing their jobs? This has upset a lot of people. This is an uprising as big as the Revolution that shook the world between 1890 and 1920. Beware. We are not going to take it anymore. I am a peaceful person - this only fuels our fires. Tom McMillan Whittier, N.C. God Will Punish The Punishers Editor, As I fight back tears to write this letter, words cannot explain the sorrow in my heart, not only for Mr. Crosslin and Mr. Rohm, but for us all as a nation, so vengeful, so corrupted and cruel, that we would allow government agents to murder these men, for such a fraudulent, unholy crusade, in which so few actually believe. What have we become? History will not look kindly on us for what we've allowed to happen in this deadly war against our own people, who have beliefs of freedom, so deeply rooted, that they attempted to face down this insane drug war machine. We applaud the Chinese for standing before tanks in Tianamen Square, yet we ignore our own citizens when they exercise there inalienable right to live as free people. I have little doubt that if the founders of this once free country walked the earth today, they too would soon be causalities of this hysteria that drives the "war on drugs." As a veteran, I'm ashamed to have ever served for such a heartless, gutless and corrupted land. It shocks my senses that we stand idly by while such, by all descriptions, kind and gentle Americans are blasted to eternity by government agents and they shield the killers from our citizenry. The agents who slaughtered Mr. Crosslin and Mr. (Rolland) Rohm were no heroes and only the most depraved of minds believes otherwise. If this was such a heroic deed with a consensus of support, why must our government spirit the killers away under a cloak of secrecy? Shouldn't they be held up on a pedestal, so we may all thank them for such noble deeds? I think, by now, every American with a shred of conscience already knows the answer. John Ashcroft and John Engler, since these slayings took place on their watch, with their blessings, had better pray that come judgment day, as they approach the pearly gates, that the God I was raised to believe in doesn't sit upon the throne, because I have no doubt that he'll condemn them to the darkest of hells for allowing his children to die at the hands of their underlings, for merely using a plant that God placed on this earth for food, fiber, medicine and the mental well-being of all his children. And the elected officials who have created such a false doctrine, which allows these catastrophes to occur in the first place, I believe God reserves a special punishment for them that the mortal mind is unable to comprehend and they deserve it. What have they wrought? Mike Plylar Kremmling, Colo. War On Weed Is The Real Crime Editor, My wife, son and I drove to Southwest Michigan last year to attend a Rainbow Farm event. We had a wonderful time, meeting too many great people to mention, and were highly impressed with the Michigan "vibe." We are sickened by the recent events and the two senseless deaths. Who were they bothering? And whatever happened to the "land of the free"? Our government is waging a war on a plant that grows around the entire planet! Let's lock up the real criminals, not the dope smokers. My forefathers once said, "Give me liberty or give me death." Americans, wake up. Our rights are being taken from us. Craig Pugh Omaha, Neb. FBI Guilty Of Heartless Murder Editor, Call in the FBI. It's good at killing American citizens who are standing on their own property. What has this country become when death squads from Washington come in and murder our brothers and sisters and abduct our children? Over marijuana? An unnamed FBI gunman? Just call this the USA. Michael Krawitz Elliston, Vir. Drug Effort Is Wasting Billions Editor, If I was part of California law enforcement, I would be very frustrated by the stats listed in your Sept. 2 article titled, "Vandalia campground owner continues standoff." Thirty years of the war on drugs, with escalated enforcement budgets ( estimated at $40 billion annually ), and yet both the potency and the availability of marijuana continues to skyrocket. How long will this go on before we realize that the war on drugs is doomed to failure? I, for one, can think of much better uses of our police officers' time than running around pulling up plants - especially considering the softening attitude of American citizens towards marijuana. A recent Gallup poll shows that 34 percent of U.S. citizens favor legalization. These tremendous and ineffectual efforts to curb marijuana production seem like an enormous waste of time and money. I would like to see that $40 billion annually go toward better schools for our kids, improving medical care for seniors, or to our welfare programs. Instead we spend it on paying law enforcement to run around uprooting plants. Adam Wiggins Pasadena, Calif. Men Were Killed For Their Views Editor, Although I don't live in your state, this could happen where I live. If you oppose the government's policies it is obvious that you can be killed. How many people are going to have to die in this insane war on drugs before we say enough? These men were marijuana activists and had become a thorn in the side of the government by politically organizing people to object to the draconian laws against marijuana. I sincerely hope the people of your state demand an end of the killing over this failed policy. Lee Monnet Ogdensburg, N.Y. Another Casualty Of The Drug War Editor, How did a peaceful campground owner become public enemy number one? No matter how you paint it, marijuana prohibition killed Tom Crosslin, the owner of the Rainbow Farm in Michigan, murdered by the FBI after a four-day standoff for standing up for his rights. A hard worker who built a good life for himself and others through his farm; a generous supporter of the community he lived in, Crosslin found himself facing the loss of his home, life's work and freedom all because of a plant. In the end he paid the ultimate price. Another peaceful American is dead because of this senseless fraud, and undoubtedly he will not be the last. On Labor Day it was Tom Crosslin. Tomorrow it could be you or your neighbor. Who will lead us out of this bloody mess? Gary Storck Madison, Wis. Keep Up The Fight Against Insanity Editor, We have watched this war on drugs take away our liberties, take away our property, take away our children and take away our lives. When will the people of America see that this country is no different from any dictatorship when peaceful citizens, who have hurt no one, are gunned down by the FBI? This is about freedom, not drugs. We are tax-paying citizens who work hard and believe in a better world, one of peace. But America is on a death trip and has been for most of this century. We will miss Tom and we will continue the fight to end this insanity. Mary Mackenzie Tucson, Ariz. Rainbow Pot Parties Never Hurt Anyone Editor, I am a Canadian marijuana activist who has had the great opportunity to attend one of the Rainbow Farm events in 1999. For years the farm hosted parties, with much pot use involved and no deaths involved. As a matter a fact, no one has ever died from marijuana use. Yet the FBI stormed in and this resulted in two deaths and one wounded. Families and lives have been ruined. The only thing ever to come out of America's "war on drugs" has been death and destruction. Farewell, Mr. Crosslin and Rolland Rohm, may you rest in peace. Fred Pritchard Windsor, Ont. US MI: 10 PUB LTEs: Rainbow Farm OutcryURL: Stop The KillingPubdate: Fri, 07 Sep 2001Source: Herald-Palladium, The (MI)Copyright: 2001 The Herald-PalladiumContact: letters heraldpalladium.comWebsite: Bruce Rideout, Tom McMillan, Mike Plylar, Craig Pugh, Michael Krawitz, Adam Wiggins, Lee Monnet, Gary Storck, Mary Mackenzie, Fred PritchardBookmarks: (Cannabis) (Asset Forfeiture) (Rainbow Farm Shooting)Note: Title by mapinc editorNewshawk: Rock-N-Roller Related Articles & Web Sites:Rainbow Farm Campground Crosslin & Rolland Rohm Memorial Teter: Shooting Details Will Be Released Drew Line in Blood News Articles - Tom Crosslin 
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Comment #56 posted by dddd on September 08, 2001 at 12:54:28 PT
yea,,,I'm kindof a wimp...
..and that new Nacho Flavored Soylent Green is really quite tasty,,,,it's good both as a dip,,,and a sauce.......yea,,,I gotta admit,,,The spirit of zealous revolution,,,The 'Live Free or Die'/Give me Liberty,or Give Me Death',,,,,no more Mr nice guy,,,,"I have my rights!",,,,,type of focus,and conviction,,,,,,,well this attitude has a way of becoming suddenly bashful,,when you are suddenly involved in a law enforcement nightmare from hell,,after you realize that your zealous convictions are less important than a doughnut to the burley thumb-head cops,,who are lookin' at you in the back of the squad car,,kinda like you are some sort of strange trophy,,,,,,and the voice of revolution in your mind,,is now saying stuff like,,"Take me back Mr. Wizard..".......nowdays,,,who DARES to mess with a cop?,,,you never know what your gonna get,,,the power-crazed,ex marine guy who HATES people who do drugs,,or the sleazy,seasoned Rampart type weasel,who would cut ya loose after he confiscated a half oz of buds,and a few hundred bucks......of course,,I gotta qualify all this,by including the fact,that there are many good,true,honest and honorable cops out there,,and many shades of gray in between......... I have a theory,,,that confuses matters further,,I think cops are similar to politicians,in that they generally begin their careers with good intentions,,,but after a year or two of AWESOME POWERS,,over anyone who's not a cop,or a senator,,,,their egos become skewed,and their bravados start to have nasty little affairs macho labido,,,and their dogma runs away with their karma.............................anyway,,after a couple of years,,the cops are devoted members of a very real form of CULT.....cops are trained to find something wrong,,,cops develop an "us against them" attitude that encourages a certain cultlike brotherhood......cops are put in the bizzarre place of thinking they are some kind of moral hall monitors.....a welcome mat is left out,for the superiority complex to wipe its' feet on.........the "authority factor" plays tricks on the mind,,and leaves fertile ground for rampant arrogance....,,,,combine all these factors,,,and make these people members of a special group,,and you end up with something that very closely resembles a cult,,,,,not that much unlike a bunch of Hare Krishna Moonie guys with guns....?..uh oh,,,,I think I may have gone off topic......
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Comment #55 posted by Rock-N-Roller on September 08, 2001 at 12:54:14 PT
Good Job FoM. Thank you.
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Comment #54 posted by lookinside on September 08, 2001 at 12:09:44 PT:
yup...that ain't paranoia...that's just a desire for selfpreservation...let's just give it lip service til kraft starts marketingsoylent green in 3 delicious flavors...
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Comment #53 posted by dddd on September 08, 2001 at 11:56:17 PT
you are right lookinside
....and please dont let my ramblings dampen your spirit.You wrote;" ...our paranoia prevents our banding together to make a point..."I totally agree,,,,,I hate it when some jack-booted cartoon action figure,SWATsticka,drug-pig freak points a Glock my way,as he screams;"GET DOWN ON THE GROUND..GET DOWN ON THE GROUND...NOW...LEMME SEE YOUR HANDS.....LIE FLAT ON YOUR FACE,,,,,DONT LOOK AT ME.,."I must admit,,,such scenarios do make me paranoid,,,,come to think of it,,,yea,,I'm scared shitless!I'd rather spend my energies sneaking around in the shadows,,and doing my part behind the scenes,,,I think I'd rather remain a sort of reclusive leprechaun,,that makes it less likely that I would get suprised by uncle freekin sam,,and end up with a fresh armor peircing hollowpoint between my eyes,,,they'd tell you I had a gun,,,they'd say they found a meth lab where I lived,and that the walls were lined with kiddie porn.......yup,,,the more I think of it,,,I'm freekin terrified!dddd
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Comment #52 posted by Silent_Observer on September 08, 2001 at 11:32:14 PT
lookinside, we do need a focus...
but lets be logical about it. If our goal is freedom, I can assure you that buying the farm and setting up memorials is not going to cut it. Part of the problem here lies with the image that is projected of pro-legalizers/anti-WOD folks. The image of the tie-dye clad hippie does not always sit well with everyone (not that there's anything wrong with it). I realized during the July 4 celebrations in Washington DC why the present appraoch to protesting is no more effective in brining us our freedoms than the WOD is on curbing rampnat drug use. One look at the people in the parade, and you knew none of them would gain an entree into any serious discussion. As if the attire wasn't enough, all you could hear were bad-ass slogans and expletives. This is not going to work.Neither is dramatizing the situation or resorting to name calling (such as Asscroft, or Amerikkka). Nor is Mahatma Gandhi-esque civil disobedience.All these things may gratify our immediate need for vindication, but get you no further to a better future.The focus we need has to be practical and workable. If we are capable of starting a donation fund, we are surely capable of raising that money to gain political clout. If we are capable of buying farms and building memorials, we are surely capable of building grass-roots support for the Libertarians, or whoever else you think agrees with us.But I guess this is not glamorous enough...  
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Comment #51 posted by lookinside on September 08, 2001 at 11:09:31 PT:
i was thinking about AFTER we win...FBI thugs pulling weedsaround various varieties growing and on display as part oftheir punishment...maybe we don't need a focus...maybe we don't have what ittakes to do something like this....maybe because ouractivities were for so long hidden from the public, ourparanoia prevents our banding together to make a point...
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Comment #50 posted by dddd on September 08, 2001 at 10:58:40 PT
your idea of buyin' the farm is a noble,and honorable thing,,,,,,,but,,,,think about it,,,,first off,you would have all mannerof governmental suspicion,,,you'd feel nervous lightin' up a reeferin the chicken house,,which would probably be bugged by the feds,,you would be scrutinized to the max by everyone from the localbuilding inspector,,to Asa Hutchinson.....They would probably tryto burn you bigtime on the price,,you'd be dealin' with the samepeople who can get 50 pounds of weed out of fifty plants,the street value of the 50 pounds would be around 800 grand..........they'dsell it to ya,,and then claim it is zoned for a nature preserve,,oroil drillin' rigs only.......I like the idea of a Memorial,,and please dont be offended by mydark,negative,sardonic ramblings....lemme know if ya get theplace,,I'll move up there and help ya build may,,howeverwant to consider a reassessment of this particular quest....LoL..,,May JAH Continue to Shine on You,and Yoursdddd
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Comment #49 posted by lookinside on September 08, 2001 at 10:26:40 PT:
purchasing the farm...
i wasn't blowing smoke when i suggested it...i will put someof my hard earned cash toward it...we need someone who lives nearby to co-ordinate afund...maybe take pledges and contributions...any overage incash can go toward an on site memorial to all those who havebeen murdered by our government in the name of the WoD...if anyone has any ideas about how to go about this, pleaseemail me at "lookinside"
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Comment #48 posted by Patrick on September 08, 2001 at 10:00:25 PT
Where is our Freedom?
Last week I read an article regarding people being fined as much as $50K for visiting Cuba without permission from the US Government. I have been around for awhile and this was the first time I ever heard that our government can tell us where we can travel and what countries we Americans can visit. Are we imprisoned here or not? PAPERZ PLease. We are not free. Freedom is an illusion created by the goons who have over taken our government to keep us inline. Get out of line with your local elected officials and you will be prompltly executed. Especially if you exercise your right to bear arms on your own property. These clowns that have over taken our democracy and steal the fruits of our labor(taxes) are not only forcing us to pay but use "our" money to keep us imprisoned.I do not have any links to the article about traveling that I read just last week. However, I can certainly dig it out of MSNBC or CNN for anyone that wants to read it.
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Comment #47 posted by Silent_Observer on September 08, 2001 at 06:36:44 PT
Legal Weapon 3
It pains me greatly to witness the hurt and anger reflected in the board - every one of them a legitimate expression.Yet, I am convinced now that nothing will ease the pain more than solid action. In fact, these precious lives would have been lost in vain if we are not galvanized by all this - not to merely commiserate and talk about resistance, but to USE our weapon.I have decided to go one step further myself. I will no longer just vote Libertarian. I will join the party and go to the local meetings and provide support.Will you? Please? 
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Comment #46 posted by dedbr on September 08, 2001 at 05:30:09 PT:
Rainbow Farms...
If We Don't Resist,Then We Only Assist,If We Don't Resist,Then We Won't Be Missed,
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Comment #45 posted by dddd on September 08, 2001 at 03:43:02 PT
I agree p.o.a.o.
...there is ZERO chance that any significant changes will occurin the dubya regime,,,quite the contrary.......The dubyas'carefullyselected group of evil henchmen,,cronies,,and thugs are going tocontinue as the ruthless corporate puppets they have alreadyshamelessy proven to be.....This country is in BIG trouble,,,and thereaint no bright spots on the horizon,,,,,just watch as these bastardstry to maintain the empire by manipulating the news,pretending thingsare just fine....dubyas tax cut debacle has already become unavoidablyexposed as the transparent scam that it is...unemployment is way up..mega-corporations are merging weekly with nary a mention of anti-trustconcerns,,,massive quanities of jobs are being cut by these same corporatecriminal conspiracy aint pretty,,,,,nope,,,not pretty,,,,indeedddd
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Comment #44 posted by The Offspring on September 08, 2001 at 03:17:13 PT
Diping into Social Security
I heard the American Government is going to dip into the Social Security Trust Fund to keep the Government out of Debt. I would think dipping into the Drug War money would be a better idea. What a President "Dubbya" is turning out to be.
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Comment #43 posted by pissedonandoff on September 08, 2001 at 01:16:21 PT:
Way over the line
The more I think about it, the more upset I become. Our elected officials do not protect our freedom, our media is not covering the world wide change of attitude to NarcoImperialism, Dumbya is a dud and a puppet that will not stop the waste and the imprisonment, the war on peace continues, and they want us to pay for everything. Thank goodness the internet came along. I think they ought to cut the military buget and the war on peace budget and give every poor person in America at least a $600 computer so everyone can find out what is going on.I wish one lawyer would bring a wrongful death lawsuit against the FBI. Lawyers can argue anything. In this case with all the means available to the government they could have gotten these men alive. I doubt this will happen but it sure needs to. How could they not sue for negligence, except they were not negligent- they were out to kill them.I am thinking about getting a black piece of cloth and fly on my radio antennae except I might get charged with littering (when the FBI throws it on the ground) and paraphanalia(the antennae) and maintaining a vehicle for the purpose of littering. Good grief they may charge me with treason and failure to pay a treason tax. They may confiscat my car. No, they wouldn't do that- they would just shoot me. 
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 21:02:00 PT
Thanks Kathy
A double Rainbow. How comforting. I sure will post any information that I would find out about. Are you saying that People's is in serious condition?
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Comment #41 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 20:56:01 PT
Mr. greengenes
There will be a gathering at the farm.Important E-Mail News from Richard Lake for Rolland Rohm's funeral service are now again pending as the result of his lawyer obtaining a second autopsy.A memorial service is scheduled for Saturday, 15 September for friends & relatives - at what's left of the Farm. A map is at:
Tom Crosslin & Rolland Rohm Memorial 
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Comment #40 posted by freedom fighter on September 07, 2001 at 20:41:41 PT
Thanks for the double rainbows
I burned a candle outside as I write this.You brought tears in my eyes..Double rainbowsLong Live the Rainbow FarmEach must not forget what have had happened to countless names..As dddd would say, May the Jah shine on you!Peace be with you and with your family..\/ff
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Comment #39 posted by mr.greengenes on September 07, 2001 at 20:37:11 PT
I spoke to a woman outside the funeral home and she said the bodies were going to be cremated, so there isn't going to be a funeral prossession that I know of, unless everyone is going up to the campground afterward. Hard to say.
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Comment #38 posted by Kathy on September 07, 2001 at 20:29:19 PT
Rohm's son and vigil--a double rainbow tonight
Please anyone who gets an address for Rohm's son, or sets up an account for him, please post it. That is an awesome idea for everyone who is human to send in a dollar for him. To honor the memory of the men who died.I heard tonight that the other man that was shot is in Bronson hospital, which is in Kalamazoo, Michigan, and is in serious condition....Please everyone say prayers for him, and for Rohm's son, and the families. Light a candle and say some prayers. Then include a prayer for justice. The blood of American people is being spilled and it is wrong. The government must pay, and I hope we can reclaim our freedom in a non-violent way. I spoke with friends tonight to try to figure out what to do. No one had any ideas that would work. One idea to protest is a year from now everyone hold a candlelight vigil....that is when people all gather together and stay up all night with candles lit all night, and pray together and sing songs, and honor the people who were murdered. We did it during the war in El Salvador and the spritual force of a vigil is an awesome mystery full of power. I think we should have such a vigil not only to honor the memory of people and to continue the vision and sweet dream of Rainbow Farms, but to end the violence and oppression of the government. Here in Michigan, there was the most beautiful double rainbow tonight after the storms that passed, which were also beautiful...the clouds were low, sweeping past and behind them was a grey changing sky with lightning behind it, so it all kept changing. Then the rain and lightning swept through, refreshing everything. Later, the sun came out, and the dewdrops glistened like diamonds in the light, and there was a double rainbow that made an arch across the whole sky, over the sweet green farmlands of Michigan. At the horizon, there was a clearing and in the clearing was a band of golden light, and I could feel the presence of God there, and I know that the men that were killed are ok with God, I could sense them there, and I said a prayer that I can meet God like that someday. I am not making this up, it happened, and we are not that far from Vandalia here. I am hoping there was a rainbow over Cass County too----I think those men wanted everyone to see that rainbow. I think it is a sign that they wanted us to see. A double rainbow and horizon like that is like a miracle.
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Comment #37 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 20:24:40 PT
Thanks web surfer
I never thought of doing it that way. 
Tom Crosslin & Rolland Rohm Memorial 
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Comment #36 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 20:23:25 PT
You aren't off base. That's a good idea. I know people are going to the funeral tomorrow but I have no idea who and how many and where will people meet after the funeral etc. 
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 20:19:10 PT
You read it right. One article said the farm was in his parent's name and the other said they might pursue forfeiture. 
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Comment #34 posted by Mirror Reflects on September 07, 2001 at 20:05:35 PT
Rainbow Farm Memorial
The question was posed:>If they don't like to look stupid and greedy, then why did >they become cops & beauracrats?Because they are stupid and greedy? :^)
more letters about the farm
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Comment #33 posted by mr.greengenes on September 07, 2001 at 19:58:38 PT
Cops and beuracrats
"One thing cops & beuracracts can't stand is to look stupid & greedy because they are' If they don't like to look stupid and greedy, then why did they become cops & beauracrats? 
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Comment #32 posted by web surfer on September 07, 2001 at 19:51:39 PT
Rainbow Farm Massacre
The way to keep the gov't from jacking the price up, is to make the forfeiture so publicly unpopular that they drop theaction to save face. So let's start a mail in campaign to the Michigan media, belittling the empathy of the powers that be, that are willing to steal an orphan's inheirtance.One thing cops & beuracracts can't stand is to look stupid & greedy because they are. 
Detroit News Letters regarding Massacre
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Comment #31 posted by Reader on September 07, 2001 at 19:49:21 PT
the property
One article said that the land was in Tom's father's name and the government was not going to pursue forfeiture proceedings. Maybe I dreamed it.
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Comment #30 posted by mr.greengenes on September 07, 2001 at 19:34:06 PT
 The only problem with publising something like that is that the gov. would pick up on it and hold a sealed bid auction, which they might plan on doing anyway. More then likely they would just hang onto the land as a facist training ground and day camp for all their little nazis in training. A DARE re-education facility perhaps. Maybe a textile factory specializing in brown shirts, arm bands, and jack boots with an attached work release center where all the "employees" reside.
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Comment #29 posted by web surfer on September 07, 2001 at 19:27:42 PT
Rainbow Farm Massacre
Someone asked:>Hi Web Surfer,>  I wish there was a way to save all those cyber letters. >I gave up counting and didn't even make it to the end.>  Is there a way?Use the file save as option on your web browser, this willsave these web pages as HTML which you can convert in MS Word to a standard Word or Text document. You will need to save each page of 15 messages under a different letters1.html, letters2.html etc.Let me know if you need more details.
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Comment #28 posted by Lehder on September 07, 2001 at 19:20:52 PT
good ideas
i like all your ideas, mr. greengenes.i have been wondering: if it were well publicized that a small fund had been established to buy the farm well below value and put it in trust for the boy, and if a crowd of well behaved supporters were to show up at the auction, then would anyone be so boorish as to buy it for bigger money and selfish use? i think the crowd of supporters should contain a lot of locals as well as mj people. any selfish, big-moneyed who bought it would know that his name would live in infamy and that his presence on the land would be resented by townspeople. a few dollars of the money collected should be used to place ads in the local paper explaining the purpose of the fund - the ads might be donated though too. i think this might work. who is going to organize such a thing - somebody local with the right attitude, then i would send a small donation.
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Comment #27 posted by mr.greengenes on September 07, 2001 at 19:08:30 PT
Funeral viewing
  Just got back from the funeral home a little while ago. I didn't stay too long because I didn't know anyone there and felt kind of creepy being at a funeral for someone I never met. Anyway I saw the flowers from MAP. Norml sent a nice flower wreath with a large peace sign in the middle. Somebody named Andy left a flower with a fairly long note promising Tom and Rolland that he would fight as hard as he can to end the drug war. I actually felt a tear welling up in my eye as I stood there in front of the casket.  I like the idea about a fund to buy the land back at auction and giving it back to the family. The only problem with that is the county would get the proceeds. I'd rather see someone go to the auction and pay the bidders a few thousand apiece not to bid and then buy it for cents on the dollar.  One fantasy I came up with is right before the government takes possession, hire a cropduster to spray the land with Round-up ala Colombia killing all trees and vegatation on the land. If the government complains, they could just say they wanted to make sure that all marijuana growing on the land was eliminated, and then send their regrets to Scott Teter that they couldn't find any Indian peasants to camp on the land the day of the spraying.
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Comment #26 posted by freedom fighter on September 07, 2001 at 19:00:28 PT
Countless names
Too many names to countLives snuffed outAnd for what?And for pete's sake, Why?Knowing what is it like to try to snitchize my son, watching grown boys pointing shotguns at his head is something one does not ever could believe it could happen to you.. It could be you.ff
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Comment #25 posted by Mystic on September 07, 2001 at 19:00:08 PT
I feel it was the big business of law enforcement to eliminate the problem with low exposure. The Bush administration is all about big business. We, I mean people, need to take back this country.
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Comment #24 posted by Jeaneous on September 07, 2001 at 18:58:02 PT:
MM Flag?
Just wondering if there are any medical marijuana flags?? One that he would have proudly waved?In a war... the dead warriors are honored with a flag covered coffin and then that is given to the survivor, the son.Are they available at all??? Tell me if I'm way off base.. just a thought.
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Comment #23 posted by Lehder on September 07, 2001 at 18:54:15 PT
Terry Fesler
Just want you to know that I read your link. I've encountered these stories before; a lot of families all over the country are being torn up by bureaucrats just this way. I did not read all the links within the link, but enough to know that I don't need to get any more frustrated today, thanks.You know, there are so many millions and millions of us that have legitimate gripes of all kinds, and the problems all arise from the overbearing officious government and its bureaucracies of utter incompetents and emotionally disturbed. If, somehow, all of us plaintiffs - mj, your people, Parents Against Ritalin, and many others - could recognize our common enemy, tolerate each other and organize in one giant unit - well, it would soon be a new day. Somebody's gotta come up with the magic formula soon. Somebody with Charisma and intelligence has got to show up. Somethin's gotta happen soon. 
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Comment #22 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 18:42:42 PT
Hi Web Surfer,I wish there was a way to save all those cyber letters. I gave up counting and didn't even make it to the end. Is there a way?
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Comment #21 posted by Terry L. Fesler on September 07, 2001 at 18:39:11 PT:
Rainbow Farms
Rainbow Farms is in Cass County Michigan.There is a lot more going on than meets the press, or the eye.Terry L. FeslerThree Rivers, Michigan[8 miles east of Rainbow Farms]
Fraud and Corruption in Cass County Michigan
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Comment #20 posted by Bruised Butnotbeaten on September 07, 2001 at 18:35:02 PT:
A memorial fund
I think it would be a good idea to start a memorial fund while this tragedy is fresh in people's minds. The fund could be used to buy the farm back from the state, since it still intends on stealing I mean, asset forfieturing the land away from its now dead owners. How mean is this country when it will take the inheirtance of a child? And of course the money could be used for the welfare and education of the child.
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Comment #19 posted by Lehder on September 07, 2001 at 18:32:10 PT
sorry, can't see sending 70 million to one person. that's orders of magnitude more than george soros has spent fighting the drug war and he has accomplished a lot. i'd like to see some lawyers sue the g and give the boy the farm. but 70M - with that kind of money we could....well, think about it.i agree with dddd - television is the key. it could reveal the truth and end the war. we can still hope for a movie, maybe. ----------------two short & interesting articles:Review of the Bush Dyslexicon contrast Bush with the amazing Mayor of Bogota:
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Comment #18 posted by Web Surfer on September 07, 2001 at 18:22:33 PT:
Rainbow Farm Massacre
You might want to look at the postings at thedetroit News regarding this tragedy.
survey on who caused the Rainbow Farm Massacre
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 18:22:17 PT
That really is a nice thought tdm. I'm getting behind on my reading but that's a very good idea. Let's see what could happen. I've received a couple nice emails thanking us from Michigan. The person will be attending the funeral and will let me know how it goes when they get back and I'll let you know. Maybe we'll get more of a feel for a way to help with good ideas like this one or how it could be implimented.
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Comment #16 posted by kaptinemo on September 07, 2001 at 18:19:03 PT:
Esequiel Hernandez has company
The Marine snipers who murdered Esequiel Hernandez in 1997 said that he had pointed a rifle at them, too...while they were wearing ghillie suits (a highly effective camouflage ensemble that makes you look like little more than a patch of brush when laying prone) and completely invisible to him. Yes, Hernandez was shooting a decrepit old .22 doubt at what he thought were varmints after his sheep. Had the Marines stood up and made boogeyman noises, the poor kid would probably had fled in terror - and not had any trouble going to the can for months afterwards. But the Marines evidently had 'buck fever'. As, so it seems, did the FBI. And the coroner's report said that he had been shot with the rifle pointing away from the Marines. The Marines, the FBI, they all go to the same sniper school in Quantico, where the FBI Academy is. Is it any wonder when they exhibit the same ruthlessness? And they are paid to do this...with our tax dollars. We are all, every taxpaying one of us, highly reluctant accessories to this crime.Tex-Mex shepherd boys, 11 year old Alberto Sepulveda, and now the slow-witted, gentle Rohm. Killing kids to 'save' them. I would have given my life to protect this country; God, right now, I am so ashamed of being an American...
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Comment #15 posted by dddd on September 07, 2001 at 17:55:49 PT
I didnt miss it tdm,,,I'm with you all the way my friend.I gota dollar to send....this is a good idea.I havnt a clue on how tofind out where to send it....Perhaps setting up a fund at a localbank would be the thing to do?....dddd
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Comment #14 posted by tdm on September 07, 2001 at 17:23:38 PT:
reach out to Rohm's son -- crosspost
I guess I'll keep posting this until more than one person responds or until everyone tells me to shut up. I'd like to think it was just missed because of the large volume of postings.***********After listening to Richard Cowan's analysis (link below), I was struck by his comments regarding Rohm's son. This boy is now without a family. I read that his grandparents were going to try to gain custody, but that does little to ease the pain he must be feeling right now. Imagining what he must be going through at age 13 is painful. My father died when I was 16, but that seems to pale in comparison.My thought -- we need to let this boy know he has an extended family of thousands, if not millions. Two ideas came to me: 1) If we can find out how to reach him, we can all send him a word of encouragement in a card or letter, letting him know he is far, far from alone in this world. 2) We can show the world the love and compassion in each of us by establishing a trust fund for his ongoing care, wherever he may end up. Imagine if everyone who ever inhaled sent just $1. A $70,000,000 trust fund might just do the job. I'm sure that's not exactly what would happen, but we can sure give it our best shot.I'd like to hear comments. And anyone who has the expertise to set up such a fund, please contact me and I will do everything within my power to help see that it happens. Likewise, if you know how we can get cards and letters to the boy (anyone know his name?), please post the information here. We can then spread the word to the entire online community.
Richard Cowan - POT-TV
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Comment #13 posted by dddd on September 07, 2001 at 16:47:47 PT
the factor...
..that cancels all others.......who knows???there could have been 5 or 10people killed...if you own the press,,,you are the supreme ruler of the nation.You can manipulate,and poison the publics mind,,,you can make innocenceappear devious,,,you can make evil appear good,,,you can make murderappear necessary and benevolent,,,you can create a gunshot that mayhave never happened,,or you can erase a gunshot that did,by reportingthat it was fired by someone else.......If you got the national press,yougot it all dont make much difference how much you scream orshout about obvious injustice when you can be portrayed as an anarchistwho fired a shot at a plane,,,even a group of people can be blamed forsuch a thing.......the place where change will occur,is regaining controlof the "publicly owned" airwaves,,,,,unless we can get them back,,weare doomed to exsist in the new Evil Empire....ddddcheck it out....
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Comment #12 posted by lookinside on September 07, 2001 at 16:44:59 PT:
any one...
of us could be next...we must all hang together, or we will surely hang seperately...(i think abe lincoln said something like this)
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 16:34:30 PT
New Mexican 
I can't go either. It's very hard to get away but that's ok. I would post on Indymedia but I have no idea how to do it and I just don't have enough hours in the day. Keeping up with C News takes all my time. I never thought that would happen but it sure has. More news then ever before and some like this really sad. Thank you for the suggestion. 
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Comment #10 posted by New Mexican on September 07, 2001 at 16:14:44 PT
Freedom of the press is dead in U.S.A.
Thanks to everyone for sending LTE's. I suggest we continue this approach as this story will not see the light of day otherwise. The cover-up of this crime will backfire as always, discrediting the media, law enforcement, the war on drugs and highlights the spinelessness of politians, both democratic and republlican. Where is the outrage by the tv pundit/spinners? Obviously, they support (or fear) these actions as they were directed at the counter-culture and the cannabis movement. They are targeting YOU folks, how does it feel to know the guns are aimed at your belief systems, your right to know, your right to medicine, free speech, and the list goes on and on and on... I am very upset as is everyone, but we have to take our country back or as sure as the sun shines, Hitler will have his day and it will be bush who is the catalyst. FOM, I won't be there, but I suggest posting articles at requesting citizen video activists' participation. You will find lots of support.
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Comment #9 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 15:50:13 PT
You're right
Lehder you're right. I fear for him. I hope they are keeping him safe. Isn't that horrible to have to think this way?
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Comment #8 posted by Lehder on September 07, 2001 at 15:45:40 PT
sole witness
yes, something is really, really wrong. some are asking where is the witness, why isn't he talking? oh, he's been told not to talk. end of story. huh? another question is where is the press?? in a "normal" tragedy the press is there sticking microphones in your face and asking, insisting, being obnoxious: how does it feel to have your mother run over? what is like to have your daughter blown to hell? what is like to have 100,000 cubic feet of propane explode in your ear??where is the press and its question??
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Comment #7 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 15:39:01 PT
Kathy he was told not to talk to anyone. He must be very scared. I read something this morning from a staff editor and what stuck in my mind was this part.These are my own words.A sharp shooter wouldn't stand in the open. So if Tom had a gun and slightly moved it around too much it could point at an FBI agent but Tom wouldn't have known it. They shot him 8 times !!! Something is really wrong. Really Really Wrong.
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Comment #6 posted by Lehder on September 07, 2001 at 15:34:53 PT
fbi-police executions
"Do you think it is true that the victims   raised guns?? "No. I think Rohm was killed in part because he knew this was untrue in the case of Crosslin. Another article told how Peoples has been told to be silent. There are no witnesses. No Pictures. Only the word of the killers. I also think the shots fired at a helicopter were contrived in order to provide the 'federal violation' legally needed to involve the fbi. I would like to know the exact point at which the fbi became involved, the first phone call, who talked to whom, and what was said. 
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Comment #5 posted by FoM on September 07, 2001 at 15:27:01 PT
What heart wrenching letters
I am so proud of all these letters. I have tears in my eyes. Thank you all so much. 
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Comment #4 posted by Kathy on September 07, 2001 at 15:22:56 PT
where is the witness?
Where is the third person that got shot? How is he doing? Did he witness the killings? If he is a witness, has he "disappeared?" Anyone know?Did anyone besides the FBI/MSP see the killings? Do you think it is true that the victims raised guns?? My sister went over there the day of the killings. She said there were hundreds of cops and all the ways in were blocked. So from what she said, there was no way anyone of "us", meaning real people. could get in.....but where is the other victim, and is the news carrying the story of what happened to him at all?
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Comment #3 posted by Kathy on September 07, 2001 at 15:17:22 PT
I want to thank all you people for writing editorials on support of the Rainbow Farms people. It is interesting that these were from all out of IS that bad here!!Terry Nichols is also innocent. So were the people that died at Ruby Ridge and Waco. I don't know how, but somehow we need to hold our (our?) government accountable for its crimes against humanity.
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Comment #2 posted by pissedonandoff on September 07, 2001 at 15:15:42 PT:
out with the old & in with the new
I'd say that is about right. A war against peace. What leadership and integrity from the Whitehouse. What does compassionate conservatism mean anyway? Death before prison? Why was the FBI there anyway? Couldn't the state police have killed them just as dead?Absolutely sickening and it won't even be covered in the press. Thank goodness for the internet.It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. Vote with a litmus test.
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Comment #1 posted by Gary Storck on September 07, 2001 at 15:08:23 PT
Great job, all!
It is quite heartening to see this outpouring of truth in the face of these murders. The "MAP Minutemen" strike again! We can be thankful we have the internet as a tool to resist the kind of tyranny and death the drug war has spawned.A few years ago, this would have happened in a vacuum. Late Monday night, I started writing my LTEs when I first read about Tom's murder, right here on cannabisnews.We can't and we won't let them get away with these atrocities this time.Great job, y'all!Gary
Drug Policy Forum of WI
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