Medical Marijuana: Dopey Decision |
Posted by CN Staff on November 26, 2006 at 18:13:10 PT By The Seattle Post-Intelligencer Board Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer Washington -- The Washington Supreme Court, for hardly the first time in judicial history, has rendered a ruling that is at the same time legally correct and morally wrong. Yes, as the court ruled Thursday, state law enacted by the 1998 passage of Initiative 692 does require that anyone mounting a "compassionate use" defense in a marijuana-related crime must meet specific criteria. And, yes, Sharon Lee Tracy failed that test. The California doctor who approved her use of medical marijuana was not licensed in Washington and thus doesn't meet the I-692 standard. The 6-3 majority also rejected Tracy's attempt at a Constitution-based defense, in part because she failed to produce a copy of her California medical marijuana card. "It appears," the court says, "that the card was never returned to her after the police seized it at the time of the original search." She couldn't make her case because the cops never gave her property back? Snipped: Complete Article: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/293606_maryjaned.asp Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer (WA) Related Article: Out-of-State Doctors Can't Advise Use of Pot CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archives Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
Comment #59 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 15:42:42 PT |
I had another idea, if people aren't so artistically minded and don't have the time to build a wreath or the money to spend... We can make an image of a peace wreath and people can just download that and print it and stick it on a suitable door -- perfect for apartment living. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #58 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 15:40:36 PT |
That's a good idea, we should all consider making Peace Wreaths this Christmas. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #57 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 15:22:43 PT |
That's a very good idea. We'll sure give it some thought. Neither my husband or myself our geared to try arty things. We live so far out that no one but a few people would see it. The deer might think it's cool! LOL! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #56 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 15:20:42 PT |
especially craft and hobby stores. I'm considering making one, Toker. Sounds like a good idea. Actually I have a peace sign up, already, in the house. I keep it up year round. It says P E A C E. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #55 posted by Toker00 on November 27, 2006 at 15:14:11 PT |
Here is what I think I will do. I will buy a wreath, and use garland to make the cross/limb/foot. Yeah. Then I will put it on my door, or perhaps on the Gable on the front of the house. Let's see what happens. Maybe we could all do one, as a symbol of unity among C-newsers this Christmas. But only it you want. Let me know how they turn out, if you do. Toke. Peace. Love. Christ. Goodwill toward Mankind. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #54 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 15:13:53 PT |
That is so cool. I checked out the prices and they are expensive but if a family wants to do a project like that what fun it would be. That house looks like it has eyes the way they did the lights in the windows. It makes me smile when I watch it. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #53 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 15:02:39 PT |
about that house. Here's one. http://store.lightorama.com/sequences.html [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #52 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 14:54:22 PT |
That house is so amazing. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #51 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 14:51:11 PT |
isn't a straight round wreath. With those other pieces in it...it might brace it enough to keep it round. Hmmmm. We've discussed just about everything in the world here... now...crafting peace symbol wreathes. Sweet. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #50 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 14:48:06 PT |
What you said about your peace sign decoration reminds me that I've seen it used somewhere around here before as Christmas decoration, too. I'm sure I have. Coat hanger wire won't hold the shape of a very large wreath when it's hung. I've tried it before. You could make a small one though, that way. If you had a way of twisting several wires into something stronger, cable like, it would probably work (as it does with the larger barbed wire wreaths)....but otherwise, it will droop into an oval when it's hung. At least mine, did. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #49 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 14:37:27 PT |
Thanks for all the input. That must have been something to have lights with a Peace Sign on your roof. I like how people wire their houses to the lights using music too. http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=NN00Mbks7oY&search=tran%20siberian%20orchestra [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #48 posted by Dankhank on November 27, 2006 at 14:18:59 PT |
For Christmas 1968 I convinced my dad, and mom too, to let me make a peace symbol on the roof of our house with tree lights. I did it for a couple of years ... it was visible from a busy artery at the edge of town, so many saw it ... Maybe wire it with coat hangers ... HMMMMMMMM [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #47 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 14:16:00 PT |
Cool! Japanese willow? Reminds me of this I saw this morning. http://www.japantoday.com/jp/popvox/358 titled "Do you know why Japanese people make the V sign with their fingers when they pose for a photo?" [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #46 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 14:11:27 PT |
Thank you for the ideas. I do have a Japanese Willow Tree that the branches are wavy and I have a number of ones that could be cut. I'll see if Stick will help me figure it out. Thanks again. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #45 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 14:05:23 PT |
"our" greenery. I meant, of course, your greenery. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #44 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 14:02:30 PT |
There are several different methods. I've made them using cedar branches wired together. You should be able to form a good version of one out of bendable and straight twigs...then wire greenery around them...or leave them bare. Look around. Maybe there's an old barrel ring you could start with as a base. Bet Stick could find a way to whip you up a nice base for one. You can tie greenery and or lights to it. If you have the right equipment you could cut it our of plywood or some rat-wire or something. Anything heavy enough to hold it's shape and to attach our greenery and a hanging loop to. I'm thinking bent twig wreathes could be turned into peace symbols with the right placing of the right width ribbon or sticks. It would take a pretty heavy gauge wire to form one that was fairly large, but it could be formed with wire. The way acting, a peace symbol wreath formed from rusty barbed wire might be a good one. I like the peace symbol you used at Freedom to Exhale. It's beautiful and peaceful. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #43 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 13:49:10 PT |
If I was artsy I would make a big Peace Sign out of Christmas Lights and hang it on my front porch. I'm just not good at figuring out how to do it. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #42 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 13:21:39 PT |
I have one now...a black one with a white symbol. Maybe I shouldn't admit that in public in today's atomosphere. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #41 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 13:08:08 PT |
Enjoy the gif. I found it on Neil Young's My Space page. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #40 posted by Dankhank on November 27, 2006 at 12:50:18 PT |
I pinched a copy of it ... I love the peace and reefer art I had a nice white t with a big black peace symbol on it, for years ... sure it's time to get another one ... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #39 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 12:44:08 PT |
Thank you for the links. This is the Peace Symbol I use on my personal web page. http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/pcandle.gif [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #38 posted by Dankhank on November 27, 2006 at 12:28:35 PT |
I lived in England, close to London, from autumn 1959 to summer 1963. I got hold of one of those early black-pin/white-symbol peace buttons. Had it for years, alas, disappeared into memory ... I was just a kid, but peace sounded like a good idea then, too. http://www.cnduk.org/pages/press/060404.html http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/~lcushing/addpages/PeaceSymbolArticle.html [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #37 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 12:23:44 PT |
A society where we become the police or we become the ones that are policed. That's about what it seems like to me now. I don't remember it being like this when I was young. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #36 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 12:20:03 PT |
I haven't kept up with it...but I'm sure we are going into deep debt to be fighting all these wars we're involved in. Deep debt is a hole that weakens the entire structure...so this government that was behind this has already dug out the foundation from beneath itself. We'll start over with something better...or with the original plan. Government in the United States has come to mean prisons and wars. Prison and war are it's biggest industries. We don't even try to make anything worthwhile anymore, it seems...just more prisons and more war. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #35 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 12:14:34 PT |
Thank you. I understand that concept. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #34 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 12:13:03 PT |
It makes sense. EJ's comment on your comment are very interesting and make sense, as well. Government's that have gone bad need to collapse. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #33 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 12:04:29 PT |
I think I understand what you are saying. I don't know a lot about history so my opinions are just something I feel rather then know. All these isms make my head spin. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #32 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 11:56:14 PT |
Whether of the "proletariat" or of the royals themselves, is wrong. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #31 posted by E_Johnson on November 27, 2006 at 11:45:55 PT |
The USSR didn't last much longer after that. It certainly wasn't capitalism that sent the Red Army to overrun Kabul. I think partly they shared the illusion with Bush and the neocons that one could modernize and democratize a country by war. They saw it as part of the "class war" -- that's Marx's idea. War is supposed to be a natural part of the progression to socialism, according to Marx. Some people to this day still try to paint the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan some regrattable but excusable part of the global class struggle AGAINST capitalism. So you see, war isn't ONLY caused by capitalism. We think it's about capitalism NOW because the Soviet Union is no longer on the map and people are conveniently forgetting it ever existed. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #30 posted by E_Johnson on November 27, 2006 at 11:34:50 PT |
After the Soviet Union collapsed, they had an economist on the Lehrer News Hours who had predicted its collapse. I think he got a Nobel Prize or something. I forgot his name. He reminded the interviewer that he was also predicting the collapse of America. America???? How could that happen? He said that military economy is unsustainable and any country that overinvests its national resources in war is headed for doom in the long run. He said the USSR collapsed because it overinvested its resources in the economy of war, and we risked being the next big power on the list. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #29 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 11:34:33 PT |
Mammon. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #28 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 11:33:27 PT |
Capitalism is not our form of government. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #27 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 11:15:14 PT |
The fact about war is we can't maintain our current form of government without war. War is a big money maker. I look at war in general as a capitalistic idea. Does that make sense? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #26 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 11:12:48 PT |
They attack not only the hope and symbol of peace...but the people who want it...like Cindy Sheehan. That's about as low and unreasonable as an anti-peace person can go...calling peace makers, "devil worshippers". It's really scary in that they are so closely and unconciously, perhaps, aligning themselves with the witch burners of the past. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #25 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 11:05:15 PT |
"The Peace Sign to me is flower children, flowers in a gun and no more killed soldiers." As we all know, there are many enemies of peace. They cannot tolerate the thought of peace and they will attack it, or the selected sign or symbol for it, however they can. They really just want to make trouble, I believe, and try to cast a bad light on those that disagree with them. It's hard to believe they even believe that stuff...but I do believe they want to scare other people and cause trouble and unrest. It's what they like to do. Dramatics. Stir up an uproar. Arouse hatred and fear and doubt. It's what they do. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #24 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 10:39:24 PT |
Thank you. That was a good article. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #23 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 10:27:22 PT |
http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Community/MrSmartyPants_view?oid=oid%3A287120 [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #22 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 10:24:09 PT |
That link you posted gave me the feeling of a minister who believes in spooky type things. Follow the stuff that means nothing it seems to be saying. People can use a symbol as an expression of harmony. They are always trying to make something out of something perfectly normal. Symbols can interwine because they just do. The Peace Sign to me is flower children, flowers in a gun and no more killed soldiers. That is a good feeling and one that should be thought of as the right thing. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #21 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 10:22:01 PT |
I was wondering if you had any good music online. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #20 posted by Max Flowers on November 27, 2006 at 10:08:46 PT |
The wreath controversy reminds me of something that really put some distance between my dad and I. It happened about ten years ago but is still as fresh as if it happened yesterday. I was at his place in Reno, and I woke up and put on a t-shirt that a friend had made for an organization he conceived but never actually launched which he called the World Peace Foundation. My dad (WWII veteran, of course) saw the shirt and got angry. Can you imagine? Angry that his son believed in peace. His neighbor across the street was an old RAF fighter pilot, and he was worried about being embarrassed by my shirt, that the guy would see that I was some kind of "peacenik freak" (my words, not his, but that was what he felt) and think that he (my dad) was into peace also. Perish the thought! That incident really blew my mind, because it showed me that he had no affinity for peace at all, 60 years after fighting in WWII. It proved that he believed in war more than peace and cared more about what his neighbor thought than what I believed in. It was very damaging to our relationship. As said in other posts, it really shows some serious psychological imbalance when people are offended by a sign of peace. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #19 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 10:07:42 PT |
That was an interesting link. I am looking for some of the information in your link to try to figure out what it all means. Thanks. http://www.veteransforpeace.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_sign http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #18 posted by whig on November 27, 2006 at 09:58:13 PT |
There's a religious war going on, haven't you heard? The prohibitionists are the anti-Christ, but they've held power in the church for aeons. So look at what lies they tell. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #17 posted by Hope on November 27, 2006 at 09:51:41 PT |
I've always heard that stuff about the peace sign. I kind of see it as "OOhhhh....Booga Booga" stuff. It is to me, anyway. It seems ungodly to be so fearful and superstitious, I believe. http://www.nisbett.com/symbols/peace_sign.htm [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #16 posted by FoM on November 27, 2006 at 07:45:24 PT |
Hi Everyone. I can't find any news to post. Hopefully after the Democrats get in power we will see some positive movement but until then we appear to be in limbo. I really like the Peace Sign Wreath. Maybe they will be able to be bought somewhere on line. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #15 posted by goneposthole on November 27, 2006 at 07:31:29 PT |
Who's that? A detainee at Gitmo? The peace sign is a sign that peace is out of the box. War is war. All is fair in love and war. Any kind of war. War on drugs, war on terror, war on reason, war on the Constitution, war on peace. It's a new day for war again today. War on medical marijuana 'users' is really cool too. Any kind of war these days is inside of the box. Killing is the thing to do these days. It's all over the place. Death is a commodity. Peace is divisive. War rules these days. Peace doesn't have a chance. The flag-draped coffins coming home from Iraq are testimony that death is where it is all at these days. Jesus Christ would have been killed by the current US government. The 'War President' probably would have had him put to death. Terry Schiavo was 'put to death,' for her own good, of course. Peace causes irreparable harm to the current 'government' that has been absconded by the damned 'warmakers.' The Three Kings of the Orient came to honor the Prince of Peace. Too bad the modern day 'rulers' don't have the common decency to do the same. Peace doesn't pay, war does. The only gifts the current crop of kings have to bear is war. It's so cool. Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, George Bush, John Walters are the Kings of War. That is all that is on their minds. 'Monday, Monday, can't trust that day' [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #14 posted by mayan on November 27, 2006 at 05:30:54 PT |
What a beautiful wreath. When folks are offended by a peace sign then something is truly wrong with them. I suppose some folks would rather have wreathes shaped like bombs! What idiots. Cancer drug to be produced from Ganja: http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEX20061126111616&Page=X&Title=Kochi&Topic=0 THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN... SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH: ON ITS FIRST ANNIVERSARY: http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ScholarsAnniversary.html Airwaves of the Revolution: Kevin Barrett's Upcoming Radio Guests: http://mujca.com/airwaves.htm JAN. 3RD: Embarass the New Congress Into Action: http://911blogger.com/node/4653 Join the Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth - 12/16/06 http://boston911truth.org/teaparty/index.html 9/11 PROOF: http://911proof.com/Index [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #13 posted by The GCW on November 27, 2006 at 04:56:38 PT |
Toker00 I don’t understand any reference with the peace sign to Satanism except that I understand when people reject Christ God Our Father; reject, “love one another,” they will not think clearly. War mongers are smart yet they are dumb. The peace sign simply signifies peace and is an anti war sign in general. I don’t think anyone else will have an answer to how the peace symbol relates to Satanism either. It is I think, the first time I heard such bull. An then consider this: Just to get their way, some warmonger uses the satan word to get the peace sign removed. Just because they say it doesn't make it so, but because they say it gives power when relating to others of like mind, when and because they both identify with rationalizing something sinful like war, killing, murder etc. That type of thinking has produced cannabis prohibition. Just because the war mongers say cannabis causes cancer, doesn't make it so. But because one war monger says it to another creates a platform / wave length that otherwise may not exist. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #12 posted by Toker00 on November 27, 2006 at 03:35:47 PT |
Why the reference to Satanism? How does the symbol relate to Satanism? If so, why was it adopted by the Peace Movement? Where did it originate? I could do a search myself, but someone probably has this info right on the tip of their fingers. Toke. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #11 posted by E_Johnson on November 26, 2006 at 23:25:15 PT |
A Korean soldier with large bullet holes in his chest lies unconscious on a table in the OR, being tended to by the doctors and nurses of the MASH unit. Hot Lips: That man is a prisoner of war, doctor. Hawkeye: So are you, sweetheart, but you don't know it. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #10 posted by whig on November 26, 2006 at 22:21:01 PT |
I will not make idols. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #9 posted by The GCW on November 26, 2006 at 22:12:12 PT |
That peace sign is upside down... Last Century's peace sign. For today’s, Turn that baby 180 degrees. Now what do You see? The New peace sign for this century has the tree of life and the hanging Christ in it. Remember, the last page of the Bible informs Us the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations. War mongers reject the tree of life / kaneh bosm / cannabis. The tree of life is a gift to those who accept from the Ecologician. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #8 posted by whig on November 26, 2006 at 21:58:50 PT |
God created cannabis, and the people who make war against it make war against God. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #7 posted by The GCW on November 26, 2006 at 21:48:52 PT |
Rejection of truth, beauty and goodness. Rejection of God. In the physical life, mortals may be outwardly beautiful though inwardly unlovely. Spiritual (soul) death. -see Urantia paper 112 Survival doesn't come from winning or surviving war; it comes from obeying the Christ / choosing eternal survival. A choice of destiny acceptance or destiny rejection. War mongers create a world of toil. Like telling a lie; one lie covers up the next lie... Committed war mongers must direct their thought patterns to rationalize war and leave spiritual reality behind. "Love one another," gets losts and rejected. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #6 posted by Hope on November 26, 2006 at 21:27:37 PT |
as some of the supposedly offended do, I would want peace, likely, even more fiercely than I already do. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #5 posted by Hope on November 26, 2006 at 21:25:20 PT |
was, I think, a beautiful gesture. I consider "Peace on Earth, Good will toward men" to be one of the elements that is supposed to be celebrated at this time. I put the photograph of her wreath up as my desktop. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #4 posted by FoM on November 26, 2006 at 21:19:47 PT |
What is wrong with people? That's beautiful. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #3 posted by The GCW on November 26, 2006 at 21:17:45 PT |
Photo: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ANTI_PEACE_SIGN?SITE=COFRI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (I think war is a sign of satan.) [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #2 posted by The GCW on November 26, 2006 at 21:04:41 PT |
Subdivision bans Christmas wreath http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20061126/NEWS/111260039 DENVER - In a town in scenic southwestern Colorado homeowners are battling over whether a Christmas wreath that includes a peace sign is an anti-Iraq war protest or even a promotion of Satan. "We have had three or four complaints. Some people have kids in Iraq and they are sensitive," said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. He also said some believe it is a symbol of Satan. Jeff Heitz, of the association board, sent a letter to Lisa Jensen saying: "Loma Linda residents are offended by the peace sign... CONT. BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS November 26, 2006 [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #1 posted by The GCW on November 26, 2006 at 20:31:35 PT |
It was refreshing to read this editorial after reading about Sharon Lee Tracy being persecuted for using the God given plant cannabis (kaneh bosm / marijuana). [ Post Comment ] |
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