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  Bong Hits 4 Jesus’ Case To U.S. Supreme Court?
Posted by CN Staff on August 30, 2006 at 06:51:50 PT
By The Associated Press 
Source: Associated Press 

cannabis Juneau, Alaska -- Former Whitewater special counsel Kenneth Starr petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court to take up Alaska’s “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” case, a dispute involving a high school student, a banner and a tough school policy.

Starr, who gained national prominence while investigating former President Clinton’s Whitewater land deal and relationship with Monica Lewinsky, filed the petition Monday on behalf of the Juneau School District in response to a March ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The appeals court sided with a high school student who displayed a banner reading “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” during an Olympic torch relay in 2002. It ruled former Juneau-Douglas High School principal Deborah Morse violated former student Joseph Frederick’s free speech rights.

The U.S. Supreme Court petition must receive a minimum of four of the nine justices’ votes to be heard.

Frederick, then a senior, was off school property when he hoisted the banner but was suspended for violating the school’s policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event.

“The principal’s actions were so outrageous, basically leaving school grounds and punishing a student for a message that is not damaging to the school,” said his attorney, Doug Mertz.

Superintendent Peggy Cowan said clarification is needed on the rights of administrators when it comes to disciplinary action of students who break the district’s drug message policy.

“The district’s decision to move forward is not disrespectful to the First Amendment or the rights of students,” she said. “This is an important question about how the First Amendment applies to pro-drug messages in an educational setting.”

Starr, of the Los Angeles-based firm Kirkland & Ellis, took the case pro bono.

The outcome could have implications on how student-conduct policies are enforced around the nation, said Eric Hagen, one of two other attorneys from Starr’s office named on the petition.

“It makes it a little harder when teachers and principals in their daily duties might be subject to a damages lawsuit and be held personally liable,” Hagen said.

Newshawk: DankHank
Source: Associated Press (Wire)
Published: August 29, 2006
Copyright: 2006 Associated Press

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Comment #78 posted by Hope on September 01, 2006 at 18:19:01 PT
Whig
I do know the truth of how helpful cannabis can be.

My words...You can run with cannabis in nearly anything...including being able to see "every leaf on the tree"...when without it it's usually a very, very, very slow walk.

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Comment #77 posted by whig on September 01, 2006 at 11:58:21 PT
I believe
I believe that cannabis when consumed is the eucharist, the transubstantiated body of Christ. I have said that, and tried to put it in historical contexts and scriptural contexts but I would say this even if there had been no prior writings. If I were the first to say it, then so be it. I would use other words, other ways to describe it, and you would read them and without the experience would only say it is a beautiful thing he says; But you would not know the truth of them.

So it is.

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Comment #76 posted by whig on September 01, 2006 at 11:51:56 PT
Hope
You are a very great scholar.

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Comment #75 posted by Hope on September 01, 2006 at 09:36:02 PT
Whig...Harm Reduction?
It's good. Very good. I left some comments at Cannablog.

Scripture, with me is a case of data in. I think the Holy Spirit recovers it for me. How did it get there? I think that's the Holy Spirit, too...but in a more obvious way. I've read the Bible lot's and lots'.

When readings on Bible tapes first came out. I bought them. Alexander Scourby and the KJV were my first investment. My favorite for years, actually decades, now has been Stephen B. Stevens reading the New International Version.

I listened to them pretty much constantly. They were background music for my life and my family's lives. They were background music for family gatherings. I listened in the car and I listened in the house and I listened in the back yard. I listened on my Walkman while working and exercising. I've listened to them under the influence of cannabis and not under the influence of cannabis.

They were virtually daily, all day long, sometimes all night long, background music for my life. Continuous play and repeat. They strengthened me, noticably. Sometimes I just couldn't get going without them. When I felt weak they noticably energized me.

They played during my children's sleep and during their waking hours. They played softly in other rooms while I listened to music, even loud music...so they went in on the concious level as well as the unconcious...subliminally.

The recordings were a miraculous blessing for me and mine. The recordings were in addition to reading and contemplating and verifying it. They, on occasion, made a few people unreasonably angry...rarely...but I saw it. They calmed most people who heard them. I have DVDs now.

It's wonderful how many Bibles I've literally worn out. I have many printed versions. I have study Bibles. I have Parallell Bibles..KJV and NIV, as well as one with four versions paralleled. I have a large print Bible and pocket Bibles and a family Bible. I have inherited and notated Bibles, and notated and used seminary texts bought at used bookstores. I have concordances and commentaries. I have a Greek intralinear. I have a little computerized carry around Bible. I was blessed to be literally surrounded by and inundated in the Word.

So that's why I talk, live, and breathe scripture...but not just that...but the Spirit who inspired most of them...if not all of them, I hope, dwells mightily in me and can bring them to mind, usually, very quickly.

I also make quick and constant use of the Bible Gateway. I've got the words themselves in me...but the chapter and verse numbers...and sometimes even the book names are things that I've not commited to memory to the extent that perhaps I should.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

I'm not a natural wellspring of these things...as you so often seem to be...but I've "studied"...hopefully, "to show myself approved" and to be "able to give an answer" for what I believe.

It's so a part of me, that I couldn't get away from it if I wanted to.

Did it make me know everything there is to know? Lol! No way! That's part of the beauty of it. I can read or hear something a hundred times...then suddenly "hear" it..big time.

I was a seeker. I was hungry for the Word...and I've feasted for many years.

It's fun and it's lovely.



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Comment #74 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 23:59:30 PT
Harm reduction
http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/harm-reduction/

I was just writing some thoughts down and I was trying to straighten out my argument in my mind based on a method, not a goal. I wanted to understand how my own principles work, and describe them to myself, so that I could read what I wrote and know. It's something I often do and am doing right now.

I had no goal except to conclude the reasoning, and then the last few paragraphs just poured out of me, and left me shaking.

Please tell me it is good, or if it is in any way deficient. I want to know and I want to have anyone assail this because it is bedrock to me. It is my foundation and if it is loose one tile it could all crumble.

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Comment #73 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 22:43:41 PT
FoM
Goodnight. I'm going out of town in the afternoon, for the weekend, so I don't know how much I'll be on tomorrow. I was planning to put a post up on the blog so people don't wonder where the posts are for the next few days.

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Comment #72 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 22:41:43 PT
Whig
I know what you mean.

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Comment #71 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 22:40:45 PT
Whig
You're very welcome. I'm calling it a day. I haven't read a Bible in maybe 20 years but I spent hours day after day reading the Bible for years and I can recall some Scriptures fairly easily. It got stuck in my head I suppose.

If God is willin' and the creek don't rise I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Comment #70 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 22:34:36 PT
FoM
If we are immune to human law, in the sense that we are not bound to follow it, that does not mean at all that we cannot be subjected to persecution. Obvious, but I wanted to say that so I wouldn't be misunderstood.

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Comment #69 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 22:29:52 PT
FoM
Thank you, I needed to read 1 Corinthians 6. God provides me guidance through you.

Hope's suggestion always to read the entire chapter for context, I do.

Christians do not go to secular court for justice against Christians, for we will judge among ourselves. (1 Corinthians 6:1-6). The rest is explanation.

We are immune to human law. That is the meaning of 1 Corinthians 6:12. We are guided by God and our bodies are Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:15. We are all one spirit with God. 1 Corinthians 6:17.

Translating into plain English is not so hard when you have the benefit of a little kindness. A gift from a friend, which I partake of from time to time.

(And even still I write in code, instead of just saying that it is cannabis. Self-censorship, for the sake of style, sometimes. It sure sounds more flowery, but I don't want to confuse anyone. Kindness, gifts, bread, all are metaphors in different contexts.)

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Comment #68 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 22:10:50 PT
Whig
I used the word because we used the KJV and that was from memory but I knew it meant benefit.

1 Corinthians 6:12 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

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Comment #67 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 21:47:57 PT
Hope
Thank you. The translations, beneficial and constructive, make perfect sense to me. My problem was with the word "expedient."

What really gets me is people who think their particular English translation is the divine word of God itself.

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Comment #66 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 21:45:39 PT
FoM
I don't like the word "expedient" for a benefit, because it means to me something easy regardless of the consequences to others.

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Comment #65 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 20:37:06 PT
I Scared Myself
I know that was harsh but the comparison to me is something that we should look at and understand when confronted with meanings of words from the Bible.

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Comment #64 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 20:37:05 PT
Here ya go....NIV version
1 Corinthians 6:12 "Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything.

1 Corinthians 10:23 "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive.

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Comment #63 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 20:33:07 PT
Whig, she scared me for a minute with that, too.
"Listen to me. I am right and you are wrong. If you don't take my excellent advice we have a place prepared for you. It is called a prison."

But then I realized what she was saying...er...really saying.

You know!

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Comment #62 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 20:23:55 PT
Whig a Correction
somethings will not be a benefit

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Comment #61 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 20:22:28 PT
whig
"Listen to me. I am right and you are wrong. If you don't take my excellent advice we have a place prepared for you. It is called a prison."

I meant some politicians think that way and that seems like mind control which is like sorcery in my opinion.

All things are lawful but not all things are expedient.

That means that we can do many things but everything will not be a benefit.

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Comment #60 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 20:15:46 PT
FoM
"Listen to me. I am right and you are wrong. If you don't take my excellent advice we have a place prepared for you. It is called a prison."

Freaky. Reading those words coming from you. It sounded so like a prohibian.

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Comment #59 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 20:10:25 PT
FoM #57
I don't understand. What does that mean to you?

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Comment #58 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 20:09:29 PT
FoM
I can penetrate right through any drug, but some repress our desire to be with God.

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Comment #57 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 19:59:58 PT
Whig
I liked some of what he said and I discarded other things. Everyone learns in different ways and times. No one is going to think exactly the same on any topic. A scripture that I like is:

All things are lawful but not all things are expedient.

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Comment #56 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 19:51:24 PT
Hope
Now if you want to try a recursive analysis, look at my last message #55 and realize it applies to me too. Whether I am an angel or a demon makes no difference, I confess myself all the time. So do we all.

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Comment #55 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 19:49:41 PT
Hope
Even demons confess themselves. All the time, they are confessing. They blame others, but they are talking about themselves. And they always give up the game in the end.

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Comment #54 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 19:48:07 PT
Hope
Jeremiah 8:22 Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then is there no healing for the wound of my people?

Donald Rumsfeld's company is called Gilead. They make pharmaceuticals. Poison ones.

Evil bastard.

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Comment #53 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 19:44:47 PT
last message
I meant to say, "in which he includes cannabis." In truth cannabis is not a manufactured drug and it does no sorcery or magic, it is not a false power but God's own creation that made cannabis.

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Comment #52 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 19:43:20 PT
FoM #42
The writer (following your link) said: "Drug use is sinful if you use it for a spiritual experience, but not for recreation."

If that's his opinion then he should abstain and not seek spiritual experiences that way. Some people would probably argue precisely the reverse -- that drug use (in which in includes cannabis) is sinful to use for recreation, but not for spiritual use. And some people consider it sinful to use altogether. That's their trip, not mine.

Nobody has the right to prohibit another person from committing a sin which does no harm to anyone but him or herself. I know all about moral hazards but when you establish your personal morality as the absolute and ultimate, your very human mistakes will become prisons for the faithful.

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Comment #51 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 18:56:05 PT
Hope
It's really ok. I understand. I look at it as what causes a disconnect. Hard drugs can do that but Cannabis doesn't in my opinion. A person knows when they feel right inside and no one can tell them otherwise. A person also senses when they aren't right and ultimately fixes it.

I think the whole issue is mind control. We aren't to control people's minds or tell them how to be. Mind control would be sorcery to me and politicans often seem like that's what they are trying to do.

Listen to me. I am right and you are wrong. If you don't take my excellent advice we have a place prepared for you. It is called a prison.

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Comment #50 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 18:47:53 PT
Isn't it funny how the people who are so
quick to say they think God is against this or that...fail to see that other things were spoken of in their pet verses besides what they mention?

Malachi 3:5 "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty.

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Comment #49 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 18:35:36 PT
Sorry, FoM...
but I get so angry about all this 'medicine is witchcraft' stuff. I won't deny that medicine can be poison...of course...I've been poisoned by it myself...by a medicine that is apparently a wonder drug for many.

Of course, I could be wrong...but I trust in Romans 8:39 "neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

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Comment #48 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 18:24:01 PT
Comment 41 "Drugs"?
Micah 5:12 I will destroy your witchcraft and you will no longer cast spells.

Exodus 7: 11 Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts:

Exodus 22:18 Do not allow a sorceress to live.

2 Chronicles 33: 6 He sacrificed his sons in [a] the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.

Daniel 2:2 So the king summoned the magicians, enchanters, sorcerers and astrologers [a] to tell him what he had dreamed. When they came in and stood before the king,

Malachi 3:5 "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty.

(Of course, I used the New International Version and not the KJV)

People that turn all that into taking drugs or medicine or being a pharmacy or pharmacists are just nuts or evil or both.



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Comment #47 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 18:17:36 PT
Hope
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with going to a Doctor but I do believe some drugs will cause problems with a person spiritually. Herbs were used thru out the Bible. I think modern drugs and hard drugs like coke and heroin can block a connection and I hope some understand what I mean. Anything can block but hard drugs do block. I think many prescription anti-depressants block because you really need to feel to connect. It's really very complex and hard to put into words for me.

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Comment #46 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 18:02:15 PT
"pharmaka"
It's a Greek word that some superstitious 'bang you over the head with their Bible' people jumped on and just plain ran wild with.

That's what I see.

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Comment #45 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 17:58:39 PT
(This is the 'poison in the pot' story.
Should have read (This is the 'poison in the pot' story.)

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Comment #44 posted by Hope on August 31, 2006 at 17:57:35 PT
Physicians were not considered sorcerers
Medicine was not forbidden.

Proverbs 17:22 A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.

Luke 11:42 "Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

Numbers 9:11 They are to celebrate it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

Job 30:4 In the brush they gathered salt herbs, and their food was the root of the broom tree.

Job 13:4 You, however, smear me with lies; you are worthless physicians, all of you!

2 Kings 4:39 (This is the 'poison in the pot' story. One of them went out into the fields to gather herbs and found a wild vine. He gathered some of its gourds and filled the fold of his cloak. When he returned, he cut them up into the pot of stew, though no one knew what they were.

Jeremiah 8:22 Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then is there no healing for the wound of my people?

Luke 4:23 Jesus said to them, "Surely you will quote this proverb to me: 'Physician, heal yourself! Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.' "

Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Mark 5:26 She had suffered a great deal under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had, yet instead of getting better she grew worse.

Luke 5:31 Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Colossians 4:14 Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings.

A sorcerer and a witch weren't doctors or physicians. Makers of medicine weren't brewing up spells and they most certainly were users of and familiar with medicines.



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Comment #43 posted by BGreen on August 31, 2006 at 17:42:17 PT
Doctors and Pharmacists = Sorcerers
I've heard people try and use "pharmaka" as an excuse for cannabis prohibition, but nowhere in the Bible is there any exceptions for Doctors and Pharmacists, so if a cannabist is a sorcerer then so are all of the medical personnel.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #42 posted by FoM on August 31, 2006 at 17:22:29 PT
Dankhank
I did a search and found this opinion. I always thought that mind altering drugs were suppose to be taboo because that is what was taught. The word Pharmakeia does mean pharmacy as far as I know. I really looked at this issue very seriously many years ago. I don't know that I have an answer that is exactly how I feel about it but I'll try to explain. I have taken substances that were legal and prescribed that blocked me from feeling the spirit of God guiding me. If you understand that I will try to go further. I believe no substance should become more important then a person's relationship with his God. If a substance becomes more important then a relationship with God then it could block a person from growing spiritually. Hard drugs block but Cannabis doesn't block that in my opinion. I hope this makes sense. We shouldn't decide to build a Tower of Babel either. We are not to try to be like God. We know what happened to the Tower of Babel if you believe that Bible story. No substance is good if it gets in the way.

PS: I am not agreeing with everything in this link but a few things seem right to me.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4499/relmar.html

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Comment #41 posted by Dankhank on August 31, 2006 at 17:06:05 PT
found this ...
Pharmaka (pharmakeia)

Scripture is very clear about pharmaka, the Greek term for “drugs.” The King James Version Study Bible states the following about pharmaka:

“Witch (mekashep) denotes a form of magic. The root means "to cut up," and thus may refer to one who cuts up herbs and brews them for magical purposes (Gr. Pharmaka, drug). The term is used in Micah 5:12 for some such material as drugs or herbs used superstitiously to produce magical effects. The noun therefore means enchanter or sorcerer (Ex. 7:11; 22:18; 2 Chr. 33:6; Dan. 2:2; Mal. 3:5). (KJV Study Bible)”

Also see:

"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." Revelation 18:23 Note: the word “sorceries” is rendered “pharmakeia” in Strong's Lexicon:

http://www.theshepherdsvoice.org/controversial/rick_warren_global_peace_plan.html

just after the lyrics to "Purple Haze"

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Comment #40 posted by Dankhank on August 31, 2006 at 16:45:39 PT
Whig, me neither ...
I should have mentioned that I didn't write that, though, anyone who pursued the link quickly found that out. It's talk of God changing his mind re: hashish piqued my interest.

I recognize many here know much more of scripture than I, hoping someone knows

Somewhere in the bible is a reference to avoiding "pharmakae" or something. It's come up once or twice from a prohibitionist.

I always hope someone knows more, chapter, verse ... whatever ... I'm easy ...

:-)



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Comment #39 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 00:15:12 PT
Clarification
I believe that men prohibited cannabis when they saw that it could undermine their false authority. I believe they wrote self-serving scriptures to support their prohibition.

But here's the dilemma. Someone could easily turn that around and say that I'm doing the same thing in the reverse.

I say again, judge the tree by its fruit.

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Comment #38 posted by whig on August 31, 2006 at 00:12:27 PT
Dankhank
I don't believe cannabis was ever prohibited by God.

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Comment #37 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 20:48:26 PT
New Neil Young Documentary: Roger & Out
http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwvideos/rogerandout-doc_wm.html

Dankhank, I agree with you too.

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Comment #36 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 19:41:25 PT
Dankhank...I soooo agree!
"Simply do not put anything before God in your life, is the key."

In my life, I've found that I'll lose anything that I'm foolish enough to love more than God, Himself. It's something I try to really pay attention to.

Gift, whatever or whoever it is, before the Giver? No way.

Gives me the whillies to think about it.

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Comment #35 posted by Dankhank on August 30, 2006 at 18:46:17 PT
re: bong hits for jesus ...
comment # 384 from MSNBC

http://boards.live.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=67229&BoardsParam=Page%3D32

Lets face it pot is mentioned in the bible on a few occaisons. Hey it wasnt called marijuanna then.

In very broad terms it is mentioned as an herb, in gennesis.

God began to get upset with its use , when people began to use hashish as an incence, that was cheap , and affordable. They offered the incence to God in the holy temple, and God was ok with that.

But it started to irritate him , when they smoked it continuously, and put it befor him in thier lives. Then he prohibited its use in the temple, as a policy to show that nothing should come in a person's life before God.

We have a lot of God given freedoms, and just as the bible doesnt ask people to smoke it, it doesnt say it is a sin to do so. The issue is left open. Simply do not put anything before God in your life, is the key. God is actually a lot more concerned with the use of alcohol, and the impurity of yeast, wich makes alcohol as an excrement.

To clarify this please be reminded that God gave humanity ten rules to follow. No more, and no less.

We live in a nation that has 50 states, and a gazillion laws. When you cross a state line, you best pull out a rack of legal dictionaries, to be sure you are ok.

What matters is INTENT, in every action, not the actual action. You cant enforce morality, it must be cultivated. Everyone must be accountable for thier actions as well.

thoughts ...

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Comment #34 posted by whig on August 30, 2006 at 17:08:30 PT
Police officer resigns, ate marijuana cookies
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Police_Pot.html

SPOKANE, Wash. -- A city police officer resigned after being told two of his fellow officers saw him buy and eat two $1 cookies that apparently contained marijuana at a rock concert, a police spokesman said.

Jonathon Smith, a three-year officer, quit Tuesday after acting Police Chief James Nicks gave him a choice between that and being fired, Cpl. Tom Lee said.

Nicks acted after Sgt. Craig Meidl and Cpl. Robbie Dashiell, who were not with Smith, said they saw him buy and eat cookies that had been described as laced with pot during a Tool performance Sunday at the Gorge Amphitheater near George.

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Comment #33 posted by whig on August 30, 2006 at 17:06:46 PT
Medical marijuana, tax reform fall short of ballot
http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=22820

WAILUKU – A charter amendment on property tax reform and an initiative on medical marijuana are dropping out of the race to be considered by voters in this November’s general election.

Tony Fisher of the Committee on More Equitable Taxation said his group had not been able to collect enough signatures for the tax reform measure to be added to the ballot in 2006. He said the organization would aim instead for the 2008 elections. COMET’s proposal had involved changing the way the county calculates property tax assessments, and making other reforms to the tax system.

“We decided to stop the process,” he said. “We were close, but not that close.”

Brian Murphy director of Maui County Citizens for Democracy in Action, which is involved with medical marijuana advocacy, said his group reached a similar conclusion.

“We’ve already missed 2006,” he said. “We’re shooting for 2008.”

Initiatives and charter amendments faced a Sept. 8 deadline to be submitted to the state Office of Elections. But the county clerk needed to receive them 15 days before that deadline for processing.

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Comment #32 posted by whig on August 30, 2006 at 16:55:00 PT
Authorities Seize $50 Million Worth Of Marijuana
http://www.ktvu.com/news/9763368/detail.html

Authorities Seize $50 Million Worth Of Marijuana In Rural Marin

POSTED: 11:09 am PDT August 30, 2006

BOLINAS -- Authorities found 20,000 marijuana plants with an estimated street value of $50 million in the Olema Valley and on Bolinas Ridge in western Marin County on Tuesday.

The National Park Service reported that the seizure appears to be one of the largest ever in Marin County.

A smaller marijuana grow containing 2,500 marijuana plants was found in the area in July.

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Comment #31 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 16:41:17 PT
Truth
I learned my lesson and will be there very early next time. I didn't have time to see the booths or anything. We had a friend that went with us that didn't get off work until a little late so that's why we got a slow start. Neil has a comment on his LWW Today page.

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

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Comment #30 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 15:05:12 PT
Sam
I have a heck of a time figuring out what you mean sometimes. I have no idea either how anyone voted for Bush. It just doesn't register with me. I really believe we need to fix our country from within more then about anything. If we neglect the people of the USA how can we be expected to be able to stand when harder times come our way? Bush has really wrecked out country with his hate and war.

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Comment #29 posted by Sam Adams on August 30, 2006 at 14:56:01 PT
These people
FOM, I"m talking about the people that voted for Bush!!! I've been trying to figure out since 2000 how anyone could possibly do that. I keep turning it over in my head & trying to rationalize it.



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Comment #28 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 11:46:45 PT
Sam a Question
What do you mean dominated by these types of people? I assume you mean Republicans and the right type people.

I am so happy that finally after living in such oppression by this administration that people are waking up to a much better way. We need to care about people not big corporations. Also I won't move to another state for any reason. It isn't easy or of interest for most folks to just move.

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Comment #27 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 11:42:32 PT
Comments From the CSNY Ohio Concert
I felt positive vibrations thruout this concert. I don't know where these Republican, right leaning people were since I was up on the lawn and I saw all the hands raised in agreement with their songs and message.

We just got a phone call and they mentioned this link. I hope I get more calls like this.

http://nationaldemocraticmessage.net/

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Comment #26 posted by Sam Adams on August 30, 2006 at 11:28:15 PT
comments
I just read some more of the comments from the Ohio paper.

I love the one from the guy that was like "I dropped my son at football practice, had to wait in traffic because of thost damn pinko-hippie commies, etc".

When I see this, I'm not angry. This country is being dominated by these types of people right now. This is what America is. I don't really see this as a problem. These types of people will never go away. The problem is the structure of this country. It's too big. It's too over-centralized. The government is playing much too big a role in our everday lives.

There should be room for all different types of people here. The problem is when only one set of values and beliefs is heavily imposed on everyone. The federal government, IMO, should be tiny. Let states and towns decide what to do. Let's have a bunch of states where cannabis is totally legal, and a bunch where fundamentalists ban everything from beer to dancing. Let the chips fall where they will. People will move to the states they like best.

Which states will be more prosperous? Which will have the top engineers and scientists?

Big Government means that one set of values will be imposed on everyone, and almost no one will be happy.

I liked the other comment - music is just for fun, not politics. What a joke. Music is art. Art is whatever the artist wants it to be. No one defines what is art and what is not art.

The problem for rednecks is that right-wingers make horrible music and art. That's why there's almost no pro-Iraq war music. A few horrible country artists and that's about it. Oh yeah, and Ted Nugent.



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Comment #25 posted by Sam Adams on August 30, 2006 at 11:06:50 PT
Iraq
So the young men in Iraq are fighting for freedom of speech? Wow, I had no idea.

Somebody should let them know about "Bong Hits for Jesus" so they can send a couple of platoons up to Alaska. It's a lot safer than Iraq, all they have to do is "detain" a handful of government lawyers & politicians.

It's amazing what the propaganda masters are able to do. Our poor troops are now basically just refereeing a killing spree between two fundamentalist religious factions halfway around the world. And people here think that that effort is going to boost our freedom of speech in the US? Wow, that's an amazing feat of propaganda, you do have to admit that Karl Rove is a genius. Evil, but a genius nonetheless.



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Comment #24 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 11:02:22 PT
One More Comment on The Wonderful Concert
It didn't rain. I at one point looked up and said thank you Lord for thinking about me I'm alive and doing fine.

No Rain, No Rain, No Rain!

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Comment #23 posted by Truth on August 30, 2006 at 11:00:27 PT
Get there early...
It will give you time to check out the booths and stuff before the show starts. You want to catch the beginning of the show for the full effect.

Reading the comments in that newspaper makes it appear that Carl Rove has been e-mailing his base to get them to make posts. I bet most of the folks with the negative comments didn't even go. They're thinking toeing party line is patriotic. When it's Bush's policies it's more like idiotic.

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Comment #22 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 10:56:33 PT
Whig
I'll be prepared for the Pittsburgh show. I will have to dig out my special magical glasses that filters out - intoxicated, hiccup - people! LOL!

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Comment #21 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 10:54:21 PT
Truth
Find the Cost of Freedom buried in the ground Mother Earth will swallow you lay your body down. Oh yes it moved me too.

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Comment #20 posted by whig on August 30, 2006 at 10:52:40 PT
FoM #16
oops. Well, I guess Columbus isn't that different from Pittsburgh anyhow. As for Pittsburgh that's where Iron City Beer is brewed and it's like the local religion, along with the Stillers.

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Comment #19 posted by Truth on August 30, 2006 at 10:45:29 PT
Old songs
Find the Cost of Freedom was the song that moved me.

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 10:13:06 PT
CSNY Bring Relevance To Songs New and Old
A link to a very good article and almost all were very positive comments.

Thank you, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Neil Young for making a great show for us that are so oppressed by Republicans and right wingers and mostly WAR!

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/weekender/weekender.php?story=208697

I picked one of the comments from the Columbus, Ohio CSNY Freedom of Speech Tour:

Odd, that a bunch of law breaking drug addicts feel compelled to espouse their wisdom on Presidential legal matters and National Defense initiatives. They've made millions of dollars protesting war, and the young men fighting for the freedom of speech. You'd think they'd show a little respect (especially Canadian Neil Young).

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Comment #17 posted by Sam Adams on August 30, 2006 at 09:50:15 PT
Supremes
Let's hope the SC won't even hear the case. You know Scalia would love to take it.

You can see what's developing in the US. Poor, middle class, and upper middle-class kids go to public schools that are essentially prison camps. Prescription drugs for the kids who don't conform enough. Standardized testing for suppression of free thought & increased control & obedience.

The rich will send their kids to private schools, free of drug testing, security guards, and standardized testing.



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Comment #16 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 09:46:43 PT
Hope
This was a Tuesday night and people had to go to work today and I have no idea how they could have possibly done it. Oh demon alcohol sad thing is I can't recall.

Whig this was the Columbus concert. Pittsburgh is coming up soon. We will leave a lot earlier since I know now how packed this tour is. It really was an amazing experience.

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Comment #15 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 09:46:41 PT
oops
That didn't sound very "nice". I don't feel very nice though, when I think about Kenneth Starr and people like him.

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Comment #14 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 09:45:24 PT
Kenneth Starr
There's a saying in Texas for people like Starr. It involves misplacing a corn cob.

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Comment #13 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 09:44:00 PT
I'm sure they think they're invisible...
I've seen reasonable men who would never do such a thing without being drunk, walk up to a woman and grab her boob...with a stupid look on his face like..."No one can see me. I'm invisible."

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Comment #12 posted by Truth on August 30, 2006 at 09:43:29 PT
Kenneth Starr
I think his name went to his head.

I wonder if he's proud of his attack against our constitution.

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Comment #11 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 09:42:11 PT
a bit of paranoia involves thinking...
alcohol can drown that out, for sure. That's probably why there are alcoholics in the first place...drowning their ability to think about things that bother them.

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Comment #10 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 09:40:02 PT
Obviously...
there's not even a hint of any sort of anything even remotely like any kind of paranoia that goes with getting soused.

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Comment #9 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 09:38:14 PT
FoM
Oh no! I'm so sorry that you missed any of it. That's maddening.

"I wonder if these people who drink this much in public know how bad they look to people who don't drink?"

No, they don't. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that people who get drunk in public believe they are invisible. They must.

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Comment #8 posted by whig on August 30, 2006 at 09:21:29 PT
FoM - Angry Drunks at CSNY
Welcome to Pittsburgh.

My old home.

On topic, I have a post on the Bong Hits 4 Jesus case on cannablog from a few days ago.

http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/08/28/bong-hits-4-jesus/

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Comment #7 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 09:16:07 PT
Truth
I wonder if these people who drink this much in public know how bad they look to people who don't drink? Cannabis is gentle and allows people to listen and watch the concert and smile and be all excited when LITP or any of the songs are sung that they sang. I was really happy to see many people smoking rather then drinking.

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Comment #6 posted by Truth on August 30, 2006 at 09:07:25 PT
FoM
Alcohol was pretty much our first observation. We sat in the lawn in the middle of a big group, seemed to be a lot of firefighters amoung them, and they were all congratulating themselves on how much alcohol they snuck in. It was flowing in an instant. One guy had a whole colostomy bag full of something clear and potent. The ladies in front on him used there condiment containers. Vodka from the giant French's mustard bottle. It didn't take long before the alcohol took over. After about four or five songs and a heated alcohol fueled fight we had to move. We went to the handicapped area behind the first section and had a ball dancing the rest of the show.

Alcohol kills.

Pot heals.

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Comment #5 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 08:32:55 PT
Hope and Everyone
I am sorting the whole concert out in my mind. It was truly amazing. I can't seem to find the words to explain how I felt. We got caught in a traffic jam going into the concert so we missed about 5 or 6 songs. Oh my I am having flashes of different things as I type. CSNY were so right on and sounded fantastic. I am very glad we bought lawn seats because people were having a much better time and we had big screens to see them. God Bless the 4 of them for this tour. Neil looked so angry when he played songs from LWW. One observation I noticed was the volume of intoxicated people. A couple in front of us were having a dancing great time and then she fell down. She had to stay sitting. I bet she has a hangover today. I read where a man up in the 7th row or so when Neil sang Let's Impeach The President hurled his beer at Neil and it made it up on stage. I guess a republican really got mad at him for doing it. Why did he pay big bucks for a seat that close to the stage knowing this was an anti-war concert? I will never get it. When we were trying to find our car which wasn't easy and a major alcohol fueled fight happened and we had to walk way around it because it was scary. I thought all the people smoking a little marijuana were fine but oh the drunks whoa. Alcohol is legal go figure and cannabis isn't.

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Comment #4 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 08:10:48 PT
Sam
Isn't that the truth? The sickening truth, but the truth.

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Comment #3 posted by Sam Adams on August 30, 2006 at 08:07:04 PT
priorities
Isn't it interesting that all these kids watch 20,000 beer commercials every time they turn on a baseball or football game, and no one cares about that?

This isn't about "drugs" at all. It's about indoctrinating youth into a system where the government and corporate elite control everything, and no one is allowed to fight back, talk about fighting back, or even think about it.

Always obey your masters in life, regardless of whether or not it makes sense. Tell others about your own thoughts and we'll cast you out. No education, no job, no food. Obey us, in everything we say, or go die.



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Comment #2 posted by Hope on August 30, 2006 at 07:05:14 PT
There you are!
Tell us about it!

Was it great?

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Comment #1 posted by FoM on August 30, 2006 at 06:52:55 PT
MSNBC Live Vote
Do you agree with the federal court's ruling that the Alaska high school student's banner, unfurled across from his school, reading "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" is protected free speech?

Live Vote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11767961/

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