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  What If Pot Were Legal?
Posted by CN Staff on August 20, 2006 at 07:52:26 PT
By Sandi Doughton, Seattle Times Staff Reporter 
Source: Seattle Times 

cannabis Seattle -- Fast-forward 20 years. The fondest dream of Seattle Hempfesters has come true: Pot is legal. But what of the iconic "protestival," with its swirl of tie-dye, aroma of patchouli and counterculture chic?

It could well morph into the kind of mainstream affair many of today's adherents abhor, concedes the man who launched the legalization movement nationwide more than 35 years ago.

If people are able to buy weed like liquor and beer, it will probably come with the same kind of corporate trappings, said Keith Stroup, founder of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

"I would love to see only nonprofit cooperatives ... or little produce stands," he said Saturday at Hempfest 2006. "But the truth is somebody is going to make a lot of money off of marijuana."

The crush in Seattle's waterfront Myrtle Edwards Park on Saturday testified to the potential market. Organizers expect 150,000 people for the 15th annual event, which continues today and is the largest of its kind in the United States.

The smell of marijuana wafted through the air, though most of the smokers gravitated to the margins of the crowd or gathered on rocks and logs on the beach. One group of six sharing a pipe gave their ages as 15 to 17, but declined to share their names.

"My parents don't know I'm here," said one boy, wearing a rainbow-colored, crocheted cap pulled over blond dreadlocks.

In a world where the legal fight over marijuana has been settled, Hempfest spokesman Dominic Holden envisions a festival that would be more celebratory than activist. Like an Oktoberfest beer bash or a wine-tasting gala, participants could partake of different vintages and varieties of pot — probably in the kind of roped-off beer gardens common at concerts.

"Marijuana has an array of aromas and flavors, like fine tobacco," he said.

Former Seattle restaurateur Kanti Selig, selling brownies and cookies made with hemp seeds — sorry, no THC, pot's active ingredient — sees only good things if the drug becomes more widely available.

"It would make everyone less fearful," she said, pulling the lid off a 4-quart container to display the cocoa-brown hemp powder she uses in baking. Hemp — marijuana without the hallucinogenic effect — is grown for food and fiber. It can be imported, but cultivation is restricted in the United States.

If the high-protein plant were more widely available, the price would drop — seeds currently cost $12 to $13 a pound — and products like hemp milk, hemp cheese and hemp flour would be easier to get, she said.

But a man who called himself Cloud, an organizer of Emerald Empire Hempfest in Eugene, Ore., worries that mom-and-pop artisans would get squeezed out if marijuana and its accoutrements went legit.

"That's a factory-produced tie-dye sheet," he said, pointing to a purple-and-red-banded cloth draped over a table where he and his buddies were selling buttons, hand-dyed T-shirts and PVC bongs as a fundraiser for their festival. "They just pump them out, and the quality suffers."

Jan Earl of Tumwater paddled his aluminum canoe from Magnolia to avoid parking headaches.

"I came here for the party," he said, frying burgers on a crepe pan perched atop a tiny propane camp stove. But he also believes marijuana should be legalized — as a way to increase tax revenues and help pay down the national debt.

Today at the festival, former Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper is scheduled to call for an end to what he says is a futile and costly war on drugs. Stamper advocates legalization and regulation of not just pot, but heroin, cocaine and all other street drugs.

Legality could douse Hempfest's cool vibe, said Stroup. But the sheer numbers of Americans who use pot — 27 million in the past year alone, according to government estimates, Stroup said — should keep the event afloat.

"It's not going to go away," he said, "even if it loses a little of its luster."

Seattle Hempfest 2006 Pictures: http://tinyurl.com/ze23e

Source: Seattle Times (WA)
Author: Sandi Doughton, Seattle Times Staff Reporter
Published: Sunday, August 20, 2006
Copyright: 2006 The Seattle Times Company
Contact: opinion@seatimes.com
Website: http://www.seattletimes.com/

Related Articles & Web Sites:

NORML
http://www.norml.org/

Seattle Hempfest
http://www.seattlehempfest.org/

Marijuana Policy Reform is Emphasis at Hempfest
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22080.shtml

Medical Pot: Legal, But Still Under Wraps
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22083.shtml


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Comment #308 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 10:23:09 PT
Hope
I don't believe there is anything wrong with the coca leaf. Natural plants have properties that synthetic drugs don't. Man mad versus created makes the difference in my opinion. Even the poppy (that even my mother grew years ago when I was very young) is a natural pain medicine.

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Comment #307 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 10:17:30 PT
Cocaine
Apparently, cocaine is a lot different animal than the natural coca leaf. I hope the pharmaceuticals don't figure out a way to do something like that with the cannabis leaf.

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Comment #306 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 09:50:20 PT
Hope
I saw Robin Williams on tv and he said that his cocaine years were his lost years. (About 10 years) He doesn't do that drug anymore so he is probably ok now.

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Comment #305 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 09:42:05 PT
Robin Williams is a very funny man...
It makes me sad to think that he might be so unhappy on the inside...as is often the case with those who are gifted at making us laugh.

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Comment #304 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 09:38:26 PT
Dankhank
I liked him in Mrs. Doubtfire and Birdcage. I don't think I've seen his other movies.

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Comment #303 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 09:37:57 PT
Whew! It wasn't the edge.
"Babbling lowly"? Gloovins?

I thought I was babbling loudly.

:0)

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Comment #302 posted by Dankhank on August 23, 2006 at 09:34:20 PT
Robin ...
He's got quite a list of accomplishments ...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000245/

Some things I liked more than others ...

"The Fisher King,"

"Jack"

"Artificial Intelligence," but that was really Haley Joel Osment's movie ...

and "The Final Cut", a truly hard-hitting character

"Bicentennial Man" was good, more in my mind since the original story was written by Issac Asimov.

"RV" was funny in spots, not so much his, but, others.

I have seen more animated movies than normal for me as I have attended them with children. Too many use his voice.

I want new animated movies that have different voices.

Too much Robin, I fear ....



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Comment #301 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 09:32:37 PT
Hope
I don't think there is a limited on comments only on how big a comment might get.

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Comment #300 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 09:31:01 PT
A Question
Can Renee come back to live in the USA with her husband if she wants?

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Comment #299 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 09:29:57 PT
Reckon
this thing will accept a three hundreth comment? Is this the edge?

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Comment #298 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 09:28:29 PT
Comment 296!
Something wonderful! Something good!

I'm so glad.

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Comment #297 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 09:27:01 PT
Renee IS Free!
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4803.html

Reefer refugee Renee Boje is finally free. In 1998, Boje faced a 10 year mandatory minimum to life sentence in a US Federal Prison for her minor involvement in a well known medical marijuana and research garden owned by cancer patient and marijuana activist Todd McCormick and best selling author and Aids patient Peter McWilliams.

In 1998, fearing persecution over medical marijuana charges, Boje fled from the US to Canada on the advice of her lawyer. In 2001 Boje Married Canadian marijuana activist and author Chris Bennett and in 2002 she gave birth to their Canadian son, Shiva Sun Bennett.

Many had hoped that Boje's marriage to a Canadian and the birth of her Canadian son would be enough for her to be allowed to stay in Canada and avoid the ten year sentencing she was facing in the US. But sadly through the decision of the same Justice Minister who allowed US authorities to raid Emery Seeds, this was not to be the case.

Boje lost her fight against US extradition when the Liberal Justice Minister Irwin Cotler decided against her in 2005. Boje and her family were devastated by the decision because they were told by her lawyers that the Minister’s appeal was her best chance for winning her freedom in Canada and that there was a 99% chance she would lose her appeal in the higher courts with the current Conservative government in power.

Boje appealed Cotler's decision and in that intervening period she received an offer from the US for a plea bargain and negotiations then were initiated between Boje's Canadian lawyer John Conroy and Federal US Prosecutors in LA.

On August 10th Boje traveled to Los Angeles for an August 14th court date in which she pled guilty to possession of half of a gram of marijuana. Judge George H. King, who was the judge throughout the McCormick and McWilliams hearings, sentenced Boje to one year’s probation, giving her permission to reside in Canada with her family.

Boje returned to Canada on August 15th and Canadian officials almost denied her entry into Canada, but relented and let her stay for one week while a decision about her status was in the works at Immigration Canada.

In the end after a week of worrying she might be deported Canadian Immigration officials granted Boje a 6 month visitors permit, which will likely give her time to secure Canadian citizenship so she can remain in Canada permanently with her family.



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Comment #296 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 09:13:33 PT
Good News: Renee Boje is Free
I read Renee is free! I haven't found an article so far though.

http://www.reneeboje.com/

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Comment #295 posted by Dankhank on August 23, 2006 at 09:06:25 PT
my fault ...
i may have too may email accts, don't think of it I will read it shortly ...

thanx

Peace ...

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Comment #294 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 08:59:37 PT
Celaya...comment 278
I agree.

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Comment #293 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 08:54:32 PT
Whig, Comment 272
Wow! "Rip a shirt" at you? He was mad! I've heard of that. You've been through it, haven't you? Mercy!

I've seriously considered all this as some sort of insanity. Finally, I decided..."Yup...maybe." and jumped in anyway with both feet!

Lot's going on before we rot in that box! Go out swinging! Crazy or not!

Part of my craziness though requires justice and getting rid of us as much pain and misery as possible here on Earth while we're still breathing...or dreaming we're breathing...I've thought about that, too. Maybe it's all a dream...somebody's or something's wild dream. Got a lot to do before they wake up.

I hate pain, and misery, and sickness and suffering. I do hate it.

"Drug War Victims"...before Pete ever made the page...is what brought me to this point. Stop the cruelty. Stop the idiocy.

It's not idiocy to contain a murderer or a rapist where he can't hurt others...but the Drug War is idiocy. If we don't fight against it...we're as bad as the murderers and rapists.

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Comment #292 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 08:50:15 PT
Dankhank
I can understand that a lot of it depends on how you feel about Robin Williams. I'm still a big fan of his.

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Comment #291 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 08:44:42 PT
Off Topic: Living With War Today
Marines Ready to Call Back Thousands of Reservists

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5315514

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Comment #290 posted by Hope on August 23, 2006 at 08:37:14 PT
We are "nutty"...aren't we?
Mispoke a few things late last night. Those preachers that don't preach the really good news aren't "lying"...they just didn't get the whole message.

That's worried me until I got back here.

Rot in a box? We'll be lucky if we don't all blow away in a mushroom cloud the way things are looking.

Nothing wrong with big ideas, while we can have them, I say...unless they come after you with Marsh's "White coats" and "Nets".



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Comment #289 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 08:35:45 PT
Dankhank
My son and I watched this movie together and we both really liked it. I had forgotten the name of the movie and just went and checked and found it.

Heart and Soul: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107091/

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Comment #288 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 08:26:08 PT
Dankhank
Maybe they will tour again next year and we can plan it a little better. I sent it to another e-mail account (juno). Oops sorry.

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Comment #287 posted by Dankhank on August 23, 2006 at 08:22:30 PT:

movies ....
FoM, Celaya ...

My standard for a good movie ... will I watch it again? ... fails me for "What Dreams May Come," but I think it was OK. At this time of my life, I think I have seen enough of Robin Williams and heard enough of his voice. As proof of that I saw his latest movie in the theatre. Enough, I fear ...

Heavenly Kid was great, we all liked that one 'round here. I just watched a piece of it last week ...

FoM, I didn't get you email the other day, don't know why ...

I'm sorry to say that my schedule precludes attendance at CSNY ... thanks for you kind offer .......

Peace to all ....



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Comment #286 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 07:57:31 PT
Celaya
We had a video store years ago and now there isn't any place to rent movies. I don't watch movies often since I had to watch trailers every night. I will cancel Showtime after Weeds is over this season. We kept it for a year but we can count on one hand how many movies we've watched.

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Comment #285 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 07:52:54 PT
FoM
That could be a l-o-o-n-g wait! If it weren't for Weeds, I'd cancel Showtime. Seems like they show the same movies over and over - for years!

Best bet is to rent it.

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Comment #284 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 07:22:57 PT
Celaya
I'll keep my eyes open for it. Maybe they will show it on Showtime.

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Comment #283 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 07:12:22 PT
FoM
Try it. You'll like it. 8^) It's one of all-time favorites.

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Comment #282 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 07:03:40 PT
Celaya
I think I would like seeing that movie. I loved a movie years ago called the Heavenly Kid and one with Robert Downey Jr. and Ghost.

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Comment #281 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 06:56:27 PT
Sorry about that
Try these:

http://www.mrqe.com/lookup?What+Dreams+May+Come

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19981002/REVIEWS/810020306/1023

It is Roger Ebert's review at the Chicago Sun/Times.

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Comment #280 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 06:45:06 PT
Celaya
The link didn't work. I haven't seen the movie but from what you said it sounds interesting.

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Comment #279 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 06:40:08 PT
Speaking of Spiritual Speculation
Has anyone seen the movie, "What Dreams May Come?" To me, it is the most beautiful, and satisfying vision of what an afterlife might be like.

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Comment #278 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 06:28:17 PT
BGreen
In my optimistic/agnostic/leaning toward Gaia perspective, I look at it this way. If there is a God and an after life, I don't believe he/she could be so cruel as to hold it against any of us very limited, humble humans who couldn't find a way to believe in him/her.

Or, as a "psychic" told me many moons ago, "You're on the right track, you just need to stop worrying about it." 8^)

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Comment #277 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 06:19:57 PT
gloovins
I finally have made a stand on a political party. I am going from an Independent to a Democrat after the election this fall. I won't switch now for fear my vote might not count and we are voting for a new governor in my state but I will be ready for 08. What is The ULC? Everything I have done here on CNews has been because I believe in a guiding hand. I am not smart enough to do what I do on my own.

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Comment #276 posted by FoM on August 23, 2006 at 05:58:41 PT
Celaya
I agree.

That's what I liked about the sixties/seventies so much. As long as your heart was in the right place, nothing else mattered.

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Comment #275 posted by BGreen on August 23, 2006 at 05:30:37 PT
The eternal question comes to mind
Am I religious because I'm nutty or am I nutty because I'm religious?

I toke, therefore I am.

I addressed those of you like gloovins in post #191, so relax and remember this ... you better hope when it's all said and done that WE'RE the nutty ones or you'll feel really silly. LOL

The Reverend (and proud of it!) Bud Green

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Comment #274 posted by Celaya on August 23, 2006 at 05:00:04 PT
gloovins
Thanks for your perspective. I hope that here, in this very special place, there's room for religious AND non-religious people to come together and love and respect each other.

That's what I liked about the sixties/seventies so much. As long as your heart was in the right place, nothing else mattered.

Beyond Tolerance

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Comment #273 posted by gloovins on August 23, 2006 at 03:27:15 PT
You nutty religious people
We rot in a box

when we die

all of us

Now, on planet earth, as we destroy her slowly

We babble about religion lowly

Embrace the truth

You are "god" of your own world

Universal Life

Believe in the force or god that exsisted before the Earth was created

BIBLE = Books Involving Bogus Literature Entirely, see

Just wake up & join either The ULC or the LP.org (& vote!)

& make a difference

Jesus was a good man, but just a man, see?

It's a hard pill to swallow but so is that big multi-vitamin you take at the start of the day.

:)

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Comment #272 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 23:31:22 PT
Hope
I'll tell you when it happened -- self-psychoanalysis is ever so much fun.

First, there were some radical Jewish people who came to our Sunday school and told us all about how the Moshiach was coming. (They were right, by the way. But let's leave that alone for the moment.) They got us all inspired about this or at least I was, and I was told to go home and start kosherizing or something ridiculous. I was all of, I don't know, ten years old maybe.

My parents had a fit, of course. Condemned the temple for letting those radicals in, and me for believing them. Condemned me for believing in God.

So I stopped believing.

Then I was expected, anyhow, to get a Bar Mitzvah. I didn't want to get a Bar Mitzvah, it didn't mean anything at all to me. I didn't even believe in God. It was stupid. But my grandfather became angry, he was furious, he threatened to rip a shirt at me... to cast me out of the family...if I did not have a Bar Mitzvah. So I had a Bar Mitzvah and I congratulated my grandfather on it.

And I hated God, who my grandfather believed in, and for whom I'd had to do this thing.

And then there was the confirmation. The temple my parents belonged to was a Reform congregation. They had a confirmation from the sunday school at age 16. It was important to my father that I be confirmed. He said he'd never cared about the Bar Mitzvah, that was all my grandfather (maternal)'s idea and all he wanted to make sure of is that I had "completed my Jewish education" by having the confirmation.

So I said I would not. And the Rabbi spoke with my father, and my father told the Rabbi he had offered to let me have his old chevy when I turned 16 and got my license, and the Rabbi told him that he should make it conditional on my getting confirmed. Now I don't actually know what the Rabbi and my father said to one another, but this is what my father told me, and because the Rabbi had told him he should break that promise, I would not be allowed to have the car if I did not get confirmed.

So I had my confirmation. And congratulated my father.

And I hated the Rabbi, and I hated my father.

And I did not drive that car for two years.

He never understood how harmful his deceptions were. He never understood that honesty is best with children. Perhaps he never had anyone that was honest with him.

I love my father, and he's making a lot of progress as am I.

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Comment #271 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 23:18:57 PT
Hope
I have a tendency to write certain thoughts in a very abbreviated form. Maybe I understand it better that way but it's not too helpful to anyone who doesn't know how I was getting myself to the point of making that statement.

I'm saying that really hatred and evil are the same thing. If you hate you have evil thoughts, even if you don't act on them. If you act on your evil thoughts then you are hating someone with force.

Some people hate everyone so intensely they have no feelings at all. Because that's what ultimate hatred is. I had no feelings, once. When I was a child. I would laugh at bad news. I mean, it was really awful. I think MDMA (though it could have been MDA) shocked me back to life. Literally, I went from being full of anger and rage to having laughter and friendship and love and all of my emotions, positive and negative together. I was confused for a long time until cannabis woke me up the rest of the way.

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Comment #270 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 23:17:03 PT
Good night...
and keep looking for something good. Something wonderful. Expect it.

There's bound to be some of the other stuff, too...there always is...but keep looking for and expecting the good...the wonderful.

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Comment #269 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 23:14:47 PT
Comment 263
Typo! I meant that I don't want him to be governor OF anything...not or anything.

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Comment #268 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 23:09:33 PT
Thank you, Whig.
You encourage me. We're supposed to inspire and encourage each other and build each other up as much as we can.

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Comment #267 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 23:06:59 PT
Hope
Thank you for everything you wrote on Pastor Louie's blog. You were inspirational.

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Comment #266 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 23:06:35 PT
I'm not a linguist, Whig...
but I see what you mean.

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Comment #265 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 23:04:21 PT
Hope
Hatred is Evil.

Evil is Hatred.

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Comment #264 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 23:02:05 PT
He certainly is...
and you saying "Dad" is very appropriate. I think the Jewish term...and you should know this...Abba is or was equivalent to our term, "Daddy".

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Comment #263 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 23:00:02 PT
Murkowski
I certainly don't hate Gov. Murkowski. I just don't want him to be governor...or anything.

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Comment #262 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 22:59:22 PT
Hope #259
He's with us right now. Hi Dad! :)

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Comment #261 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 22:58:40 PT
Hope
I'm not free of dislike. I don't think I have to like everyone. I think if you don't like a person you might not want to spend as much time helping or talking with him or her. But that's not hatred, it's not a wish to harm. I also don't think it is evil to defend against an attack or protect your family or friends. It's not hate unless you want to go beyond defending and actively will the person you are fighting to die.

I have hated. I have never acted on my darker thoughts. But I have, and I know how it feels. It feels powerful and dangerous and even very sexual. I could have been a demon of a man. But even demons know God and fear Him. Once I knew God I could not be a demon. I became a Christian.

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Comment #260 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:58:21 PT
First John 4
19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

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Comment #259 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:54:28 PT
"God wants to be with his friends..."
Indeed, he does. And not just after we leave this flesh...but right now.

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Comment #258 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:53:05 PT
256 is right on too
but I was talking about 254.

Even if you don't have the written word...it's written right there in your heart. That was a promise.

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Comment #257 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:51:39 PT
Whig
That's EXACTLY right!

There's scripture to back up every word you said.

It was "written on your heart".

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Comment #256 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 22:50:49 PT
Hope
In the end we are all in heaven, together, when hate disappears.

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Comment #255 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:50:36 PT
I'm sure some of you are regretting
pulling me out of that funk I was in early on in this thread.



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Comment #254 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 22:47:36 PT
Hope
I was just thinking about what it would be like to be "saved" without your friends, and then I think I have a better understanding of heaven. God wants to be with his friends. That is heaven.

And we're all his children and we're all part of him and he is part of all of us. So if you hate any one of us you hate God. Don't hate people. Because that is hell.

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Comment #253 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:47:04 PT
God himself was in that "body"...
"He made himself a little lower than the angels. He put on a robe of flesh."

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Comment #252 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:45:23 PT
There you have it! Why I am the way I am.
A pearl of such great value...that you can't even sell everything you own to buy it!

You wouldn't be surprised, I'm sure, at how many people I've shown that have rejected it. All those preachers couldn't have been lying...Ole Joe is bound to be going to hell...They just don't like it.

Why a death? Why a sacrifice?

"To put an end to all sacrifice." "God was not pleased with the blood of bulls and rams. He prepared a body..."

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Comment #251 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:36:22 PT
I'm hoping Murkowski is
outta there! I hope, hope, hope!

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Comment #250 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:34:40 PT
My admonition then is not "Come and be saved"
for you already are! But come. Repent of wrong doing, trust in him, and let him live in you and you in him and get to know him. See him and be with him every day of your life! Don't miss out on that if you can keep from it. But you already are saved..."once for all". Don't wait until you're dead! Do it now!

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Comment #249 posted by Dankhank on August 22, 2006 at 22:30:58 PT
well maybe .,,,,,
or rather is losing ...

we can hope ...

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Comment #248 posted by Celaya on August 22, 2006 at 22:30:27 PT
The Condemned Belly-Buttonless
I could be wrong, but I think Gaskin gives a special dispensation to those who have lost their navel. 8^)

This whole saved/non-saved nonsense does cause lots of suffering, though. I have a sister who says she agonizes all the time because she thinks my father wasn't "saved."

All that angst about nothing!

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Comment #247 posted by Dankhank on August 22, 2006 at 22:28:24 PT
looks like ...
Murkowski lost ...........................

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http://www.adn.com/



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Comment #246 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:26:58 PT
Ah! I fogot to check for those little notations
that can come through as computer codes...but it says the same thing...just some of it is made bold by a bracketed b somewhere.

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Comment #245 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:25:24 PT
I used to worry about it almost constantly...
I prayed about it often. Then one time I was sitting up late by myself, watching tv at my son's apartment in Missouri and for some reason I started watching a preacher from Texas preach. I thought that was kind of odd.

He preached on "No man comes to the Father except through me." and he talked about how some people believed that that meant that you had to be a Christian to be saved and what about the people that didn't accept Christ? and he admitted...right there on tv that he didn't know the answers and it worried him, too.

I studied that scripture carefully. I studied what came before it and what came after it and what it's context and setting was. I prayed for understanding. The Gospel of John Chapter 14. Then I knew! He was comforting the disciples...he was saying in his mysterious way...you know the Father you know me...We are one.

John 14 Jesus Comforts His Disciples 1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God[a]; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going." Jesus the Way to the Father 5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit 15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?"

23Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

25"All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

28"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me. "Come now; let us leave.

I kept praying and then I was listening to my Bible tapes and something caught my attention...and I ran the tape back and I looked in the Bible...I'd heard it maybe fifty or a hundred times, maybe more, and then one day it just jumped out at me...and there it was. My answer!

First Timothy chapter 4: 9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

11Command and teach these things.

ESPECIALLY! Not EXCLUSIVELY...but ESPECIALLY!

ESPECIALLY! ESPECIALLY! ESPECIALLY!

What a beautiful word!

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Comment #244 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 22:07:50 PT
It really would be, Whig. It really would be.
"Wouldn't it be terrible if you were "saved" but none of your friends were?"

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Comment #243 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 21:58:50 PT
Hope
Wouldn't it be terrible if you were "saved" but none of your friends were? I guess that's why so many preachers think they have to save people, so they have someone else to talk to besides God. And God is very cross with them, I'll have you know. All that fire and brimstone they're talking about all the time, oh I know God shows it to them. We make our own heaven.

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Comment #242 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:55:28 PT
I'm serious though!
It was surgically removed and closed! I guess you'd have to say they had one once, though.

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Comment #241 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 21:54:19 PT
Whig
Oh my goodness. I looked and I don't have one either! LOL!

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Comment #240 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:54:19 PT
Lol!
I knew that was coming! I know someone else who doesn't have a belly button.

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Comment #239 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 21:53:16 PT
Kidding
Just wondered how you'd react.

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Comment #238 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 21:52:53 PT
Celaya
But I don't have a belly button.

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Comment #237 posted by Celaya on August 22, 2006 at 21:51:21 PT
Hope
"I'd hate thinking I was the only one "saved". That would make me sad and I believe that it's His will that we have joy."

I like Stephen Gaskin's declaration about the religion at The Farm.

"There's only one religion here, and the only thing you need to belong is a belly button." 8^)

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Comment #236 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:47:10 PT
Hempity
I hope he gets better, too. I hope and pray.

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Comment #235 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:45:50 PT
Celaya
I think part of that is an ego thing. Everybody wants to think they're right and if you disagree with them...then you have to be wrong.

For me, I've landed in just the right spot for me. "Jesus Christ came to save all men. Especially those who believe."

So I've landed on my feet, finally, and after much searching...with a smile on my face. I'm ok and you're ok.

Actually, I landed there as a small child. Then as I got older I looked around to see if there might be a better place and after much study and prayer and all that good stuff...I landed right back where I was...only a lot happier about it all.

"Especially" doesn't mean "exclusively"...as much as some ego bound folk would like to think.

Hey, it's "Good News" isn't it? "Good News for all mankind!" "Goodwill toward men".

I like good will...it's good.

I like that.

Actually, I'd hate thinking I was the only one "saved". That would make me sad and I believe that it's His will that we have joy. Joy. I can't have joy and think I and only a few others are all that are "saved".

Yes. I like that "Good will towards men" business. I like it alot.

Imagine that we're all light. The part that keeps the flesh alive being more than blood...much more...a light...a part of a really Great Light...and One.

And we'll all shine on!



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Comment #234 posted by Celaya on August 22, 2006 at 21:32:05 PT
The "Spiritual" Dilemma
Hope

"But he thinks we're in some sort of denial and we don't know what we are saying. He said so. It's a travesty against humanity. The New Inquisition. The "good" (in their own eyes) people are doing it again."

They have to think that. Christianity, like many other religions, is an exclusive religion. That is, they have to believe that only they have the truth. That only they know the right path to heaven and to God. So any other form of spirituality - and I count the Cannabis Culture as a form - has got to be of the devil. Especially cannabis, because it's such a threat to religious hiearchy since you don't need a priest/pastor to "instruct" you how to get there. Just the holy herb.

FoM

"The mind set of modern day Christians is really big into punishment. Punishment teaches lessons and then you will feel so terrible you'll go to church. It's a vicious cycle to me."

Vicious is right. And the centerpiece of the grand punishment scheme is, of course, an eternity in hell. I prefer John Lennon's vision:

"Imagine there's no Heaven -- It's easy if you try -- No hell below us -- Above us only sky -- Imagine all the people -- Living for today"

DdC -- Good to see you, bud!



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Comment #233 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 21:30:56 PT
Hope
I guess I don't understand what the Pastor means. We are to strive for wisdom and wisdom generally means tolerance. Who of us believes exactly the same way as we did when we were a teenager? I know I change continually as life makes changes for me.

I hope Hempity gets better.

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Comment #232 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:28:21 PT
Growing and the Marshian Chronicles
We could "grow", too, of course.

I hope it's not growing to the point of "Oh...why do we even bother to talk to people like this?"

:0)



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Comment #231 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:21:54 PT
Hempity
That was the "sad" part. I didn't know he was so ill either. But his testimony was brilliant. It was so beautiful. So beautiful. It was a glorious testimony to the power of God...I thought. Of course, Brother Marsh didn't.

It's still a beautiful testimony even if Bro. Marsh doesn't appreciate it.

Marsh must be wondering how he brought such a thorn in his side upon himself. Maybe he'll grow from our conversations...but I'm not counting on it.

You never know though. Maybe he needed to develop a little bit more Godly stance in his dealings with the people he wants to help and that's why we all wound up there.

The whole thing is really pretty amazing to my eyes. But then of course...I do try to find the light in things.

I hate it when all I can see is darkness...and that darkness wants to creep up on me and fill me sometimes. I've had to deal with it alot...as we all have here.

But I so prefer the light and being filled with the light.

And as you know...I'm trying to practice that by looking for something wonderful. Looking for something good...and counting on it.

But men...ah men. They can be stubborn and I've found that most of the time, it's a mistake to put my confidence in their seeing the light...even when it's brighter than the sun.

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Comment #230 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 21:07:47 PT
Hempity
Hempity is a dear old friend from Cann.com. I read on the link that he isn't doing very well. I know he had a heart attack years ago and I didn't know how he was doing because he hasn't said anything here for us to know.

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Comment #229 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 21:04:00 PT
Hope
I'm sure I wouldn't. I believe people think that I can do more then I can do on CNews. I can work on my FTE web site and change whatever I want to change but not on CNews. It is way more complicated then my personal web site.

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Comment #228 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 21:01:12 PT
The Marshian Chronicles
Hempity has a beautiful and amazing...and a kind of sad, too...post over there.

http://marshianchronicles.com/?p=695

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Comment #227 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 20:57:55 PT
Thank you.
I know you won't regret it.

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Comment #226 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 20:53:58 PT
Hope
Yes I meant Matt has to fix it. I can't. This isn't a perfect registration system. Once a person is blocked it probably is forever unless Matt fixes it. I don't ask Matt for favors. I do my best not to bother him. He is busy with his web sites so I only bother him when the web site isn't working right. I have tried to e-mail DdC but it hasn't gone thru.

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Comment #225 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 20:49:14 PT
"I think I know where I can find him."
I meant DdC...not Matt.

That's why I asked the last question.

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Comment #224 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 20:48:06 PT
Maybe I've misunderstood...
You mean has to do some unblocking or something?

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Comment #223 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 20:40:15 PT
Wonderful!
I think I know where I can find him.

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Comment #222 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 20:32:38 PT
Hope
If there was a way for that to happen it has been fine for a long time with me but I don't know how. Matt has to fix it. I can't.

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Comment #221 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 20:25:45 PT
Ddc
Oh my, FoM!

Does that mean the wayward prodigal son can come home again?

I'm in tears to think that might be what you're saying!

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Comment #220 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 20:18:44 PT
afterburner
I have tried more then once to contact DdC but to no avail. I hope he still is reading here.

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Comment #219 posted by afterburner on August 22, 2006 at 20:15:53 PT
Hope #205 & 208
I concur with you that DdC's post to Pastor Marsh was very thoughtful, expressive, and impressive. Perhaps DdC is still reading here at cnews. If so, thank you DdC for your hard work and dedication to the cause of freeing cannabis lovers from the government-imposed chains.

"Oh, Lord!" (-Hope) As soon as I read those lines I thought of another Texan, Janis Joplin: "Oh, Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz. My friends all have Porches. I must make amends." LQI.

Somehow, Bob Seger's song, Against the Wind seems to fit the occasion even though Pastor Marsh might object to some of the self-confessed sins in the song.

Bob Seger | Against The Wind Lyrics http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+seger/against+the+wind_20021964.html

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Comment #218 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 19:47:35 PT
Hope
That's exactly what it is. I hope your son likes his too. It is becoming very popular. I have seen the trees blowing really hard during storms and we can't even hear anything. It's very strong when on a house.

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/prodhome/default.php

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Comment #217 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 19:38:34 PT
My son
used it as siding on part of his house, too.

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Comment #216 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 19:37:41 PT
That Hardee board...that's what it's called...
isn't it?...sounds like mighty good stuff. I'm going to look into it if we ever start the work we need to do around here.

Hardee Plank?

It's concrete infused fiber...right?

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Comment #215 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 19:09:02 PT
Hope
I hope you have a couple of days of steady easy rain. Birds start singing and animals look so content. Fire threats diminish. We have trees close to our house. We are burning the building debris and we had pieces of the siding in the pile to burn. They wouldn't burn. This siding is almost fire proof and we didn't really know that about the siding. Besides being highly eco friendly being fire retardant was also nice to find out.

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Comment #214 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 18:39:53 PT
FoM comment 212
You're right.

They've perverted the simplicity...and sweetness and beauty...of the Gospel.

The rain is wonderful. We were so excited and grateful.

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Comment #213 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 18:31:52 PT
Hope
That is wonderful news about the rain.

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Comment #212 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 18:30:58 PT
Hope
What more can be done then? The mind set of modern day Christians is really big into punishment. Punishment teaches lessons and then you will feel so terrible you'll go to church. It's a vicious cycle to me. It's a cycle I won't be a part of anymore. I don't need for someone to make me feel bad. That just isn't nice to do to anyone. No one is above another person. No one knows the heart of another person.

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Comment #211 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 18:27:35 PT
Hey!
We got nearly three inches of rain on the farm this afternoon!

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Comment #210 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 18:16:47 PT
FoM
No, from what he says, I don't think he does understand what we're saying and isn't likely to.

You don't have to think it's the right thing to do to consume cannabis...but to make it a crime is going way too far.

I don't think he hears that.



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Comment #209 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 18:08:29 PT
Hope
I hope he understands but he might not. That's the way things go sometimes. I sometimes think that an e-mail to a peson could be beneficial because it is private between two people or it should be.

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Comment #208 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 17:59:45 PT
Denominations
I didn't see one over there either. There are many practitioners today of non-denominational Christianity. His is probably one.

Celaya, I noticed his comments about "being controled by" and being "warped and twisted" and other stuff.

Wild superstition and assumption. It's crazy, I know...but you can't expect him to understand. He's only repeating what he's been told.

I suppose Mormon's think that coffee warps and twists and controls you, too. It's sad.

If he could only understand that we aren't saying that everyone should use it. We aren't trying to convince him to use it or those in his treatment groups. That's not what we've been trying to say at all. What we are saying is "Stop punishing and hurting people who want or need to use it! Stop it now! Stop it because it's wrong...it's a terrible injustice!"

Oh, Lord!

But he thinks we're in some sort of denial and we don't know what we are saying. He said so.

It's a travesty against humanity. The New Inquisition.

The "good" (in their own eyes) people are doing it again.



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Comment #207 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 17:50:52 PT
BGreen
I know you got to tithe on your gross pay check not net. LOL!

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Comment #206 posted by BGreen on August 22, 2006 at 17:46:55 PT
What denomination am I?
I'm a $10,000 bill but they don't make them like me anymore. :-)

Seriously FoM, if you haven't given any money to the Assemblies of God in awhile then you are NOT a member anymore. That's the only way they knew we stopped going to their Church. They sent us a letter warning us that our membership was in jeopardy because we had stopped giving them money.

For a denomination that preaches that God doesn't need our money, they sure worship the almighty dollar and do everything they can to guilt us into giving all of the money we have to them.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #205 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 17:43:31 PT
Whew!
Ddc took the time to lay out a "well set table" over at Brother Marsh's! Whew!

Good job, Ddc. Very good job. A lot of time and effort went into your comment.

I'm sure he didn't take a word of it seriously...but whew! He got pelted with a whole load of "pearls" there!



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Comment #204 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 17:11:41 PT
whig
I don't think you have a Denomination. Most Pastors are a member of a Denomination. I am a member of the AOG and Roman Catholic Church because I never asked to get out of their membership.

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Comment #203 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 17:08:03 PT
FoM
I don't know. What denomination am I? :)

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Comment #202 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 16:45:24 PT
Whig
What Denomination is the Pastor? I looked a little but didn't find anything. Knowing the Denomination helps to understand how he would perceive what people are saying in my opinion.

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Comment #201 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 16:28:38 PT
Toker00
I'm glad you shared that and everyone who is so supportive of talking about deeply held religious thoughts. I was going to say "feelings" but that isn't even the right word, because we do not only sense it we know it is real even if we can't always describe what we mean in words sometimes, and even if our ability to understand one another is not always perfect. We are all together here and praying.

Without the support and willingness of others to speak, I could not say the things I do. It is important to encourage one another all the time to give testimony and not to repeat what is expected of you but of your own inner knowledge and experience. It's a scary road to walk alone.

I'm thinking about this now because up to now I've mostly kept my religious thoughts very private except for here on Cannabis News. In person, and in the presence of some fine herb, communion can be held. We do the same thing here virtually. But out on my own blog, I'm basically speaking to the whole world or anyone who stops by. It's more public and it makes me a little nervous about saying the wrong thing and having nobody correct me or tell me to rethink it.

Here's the last exchange I sent to Pastor Marsh and I'm really exposing my beliefs quite openly so I really want some comments to tell me if I'm speaking for anyone but myself:

http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/more-talk-with-pastor-marsh/

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Comment #200 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 14:31:54 PT
Toker00
That's very good. They make it very complicated. It really is very simple.

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Comment #199 posted by Toker00 on August 22, 2006 at 14:26:44 PT
I wrote a song about Jesus one time, long ago.
May I post it? It's only one verse. Thanks.

Jesus is my Savior 'cause he died for me.

Took upon himself my sins so that I might be free.

Believe in me is all he asks of us.

So put into him all you Faith, your Love and all your Trust.

That's it. Bilieve in the Truth. That is all I felt the song needed to say. I hope he liked it.

Toke.



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Comment #198 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 12:25:03 PT
BGreen
Sometimes we become vessels for God's words.

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Comment #197 posted by Celaya on August 22, 2006 at 12:19:24 PT
Marsh's Chronic
It's difficult to discuss anything with a "believer." A prerequisite for any productive discussion is a willingness by those participating to be moved from their positions if the argument or facts are strong enough. Otherwise, you just have stone walls shouting at each other.

I will end my observation of the Marsh position with a quote from his link to where he previously discussed cannabis, where he denotes his essential position.

"anything that takes control of you, and makes you do or not do things you wouldn’t normally do, is bad and ought to be avoided!"

This is simply ignorance speaking of course. And I don't use the word ignorance in a mean sense. Everyone is ignorant of many realms of knowledge. This is why Jimmy Hendrix asked the essential question, "Are you experienced?"

Someone who has never smoked pot can never really understand it, and so cannot intelligently talk about it.

I remember the first time I tried it, I was very fearful and expected hallucinations, or to lose my mind temporarily, or any number of unknown consequences.

But, as with happens with so many first-timers, I was so hyped about what was about to happen, I totally missed it, because the effects were so subtle. I said, "I don't feel anything!" Well, of course, it took me a second time to appreciate it, because I wasn't expecting to fly to the moon then. 8^)

Cannabis certainly doesn't control you, or make you do things you wouldn't normally do. The best way to describe its effects are as an enhancement. It enhances our sense of pleasure, creativity, and enjoyment of life's basic activities. As I mentioned before, it seems to return us to our natural human state - so under attack from an oppressive society!

If there is anything that "takes control of you, and makes you do things you wouldn't naturally do," it's religion. Cannabis has never made people kill others or otherwise persecute people who didn't believe in cannabis. We all know how guilty religion is of causing this behavior.

In sum, the best way for an "inexperienced" person to get some insight about cannabis effects, without actually trying it, is to read the brilliant collection of testimonies put together by Dr. Lester Grinspoon - "Marijuana Uses."



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Comment #196 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 11:51:45 PT
Just Another Comment
I just read that the pastor said that the hippie culture with LSD and Marijuana was going to bring us enlightenment we thought. The truth is that intentions of some are not the intentions of another. We have seen addiction and death from hard drug use. I've said it before but I'll say it again. When Cocaine entered the picture and the hippie culture was squashed that is what wrecked the dream for many.

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Comment #195 posted by BGreen on August 22, 2006 at 11:48:52 PT
FoM
Yep.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #194 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 11:33:13 PT
BGreen
The new age of being able to talk about God is upon us now. The war and religion in the war has made us speak.

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Comment #193 posted by lombar on August 22, 2006 at 11:24:17 PT
Jesus
Was about tolerance, love, and compassion. The drug war is about intolerance, hatred, and merciless persecution. The war on drugs is about as anti christian as one can get. It serves mammon, not God... if the bulk of the mainstream would just realize this TRUTH then the christian support for the continued war on some citizens would be stopped.

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Comment #192 posted by lombar on August 22, 2006 at 11:20:12 PT
Why do the servants of God miss this?
Matthew 15

Mark 7 ?

(they honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.)

Or do they just believe it only applies to eating pork? There are no provisos, no specifics.

Seems to me its written in there somewhere to be mistaken on one point of the 'Law' is to not keep the 'Law'. One either gets it all or does not get it at all...

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Comment #191 posted by BGreen on August 22, 2006 at 11:17:20 PT
We share a stream of consciousness, whig
We think so much alike it's almost scary. It's the same with a few others here at CNews. We are in tune with each other on a plane that exists outside of the normal human experience, at least MY human experience, and God is speaking through us. Many times I don't even have to post because one of you says what I'm thinking in words that could have been my own.

I've battled the close-minded "religious" types for too many years to remain patient with them. There's really no excuse for their embracing the proven lies of the government over the Truth that is God, especially when it means the continued torture of innocent, non-violent human beings like my friend runruff, his wife, family and friends, and the millions of others exactly like them.

I have no doubts that I'm right. I know in my heart that all of the studying and testing of God's Word in pursuit of the Heart of God has led me to this Truth.

When I'm going against the mainstream and risking their threats of "burning in Hell" for rejecting their hateful brand of "christianity," you'd better bet that I've carefully thought this through.

For those of you who are offended by our talk of God, just try and remember that the God we talk about is synonymous with Truth, and ultimately that's what we're all searching for.

I feel it's necessary to talk about MY Spiritual relationship when MY God is being used as a weapon against me.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #190 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 11:04:45 PT
In the swatted one....
I did say "lukewarmness"...that's not even a word anyway...probably.

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Comment #189 posted by lombar on August 22, 2006 at 11:01:55 PT
The pastor
...makes the mistake of trusting government sources about cannabis. NIDA and the DEA are SOOOO discredited to anyone who has ever sought the actual truth that we are not supposed to be able to figure out. He does not realize the true effects of cannabis, does not know what 'stoned' is so he assumes it is like being drunk, ie incoherent, incapable of critical thought.

Explain how creating war, victims, hatred and crime, is doing 'Gods work' via prohibition??? The laws are the problem...

http://victims.drugwarrant.com

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Comment #188 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 11:00:33 PT
It was...
"Neither hot nor cold..."

He won't be spewing any of us out for being tepid or lukewarm.

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Comment #187 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 10:54:28 PT
Hope
I think you lost a comment. I was trying to quick fix something and I didn't fix it fast enough and your post was lost in cyberspace. I thought you would want to know where it went. Sorry about that.

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Comment #186 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:50:53 PT
It would be really nice if he could really hear
what we are really saying.

He hears "Pot is the answer"....when we are saying "Stop punishing people so cruelly and unusually for using or having a cannabis plant." "Stop the cruelty!" "Stop the injustice!" "Stop the waste!"

We're not saying "Spinach is the answer." "Antibiotics are the answer." or "Pot is the answer."

Yet he hears something else. That's so strange.

If you are trying to hear something on a different level than our words...then you'd be closer to reality if you "heard" what we are really saying as "Love is the answer."

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Comment #185 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 10:49:42 PT
Whig
I think that when a line of communication opens it must be respected. In reality it's hard for people to step outside their comfort zone and they will look for away out if it gets angry and rightfully so. I think as long as anger stays out of the conversation people will remain open to learn. As soon as it becomes angry they can shut the door and say see they have no self control. Those drug users really need to be put away from society. That's why I won't fight with a prohibitionist. I will call the man Pastor out of respect and never talk down to him because who knows what made him think the way he does. We don't know other people unless you spend time talking with them everyday like we do here. I can feel angry vibrations and happy vibrations without seeing anyone of us. So can others.

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Comment #184 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 10:47:50 PT
BGreen
You speak so well. I read your #183 and I could see the fire and brimstone from his. You are showing God's wrath to him without even addressing him directly. Beautiful.

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Comment #183 posted by BGreen on August 22, 2006 at 10:42:14 PT
I call them as I see them
This "Pastor" is trying nothing more than to justify the continued caging of God's most glorious creation for consuming another of God's creation.

I won't post on his website because it's a Spiritual battle and he is obviously on the opposing side. If God wants to speak to him and get him to change his evil ways then so be it.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #182 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 10:40:10 PT
On the other hand
Marsh may be reading us talking here, since he was given the link to this thread. And if so, he's welcome.

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Comment #181 posted by Truth on August 22, 2006 at 10:39:34 PT
Dude....
When you make statements such as this...

I’m very concerned for those people, as a Pastor I’ve probably visited more people in the hospital, counseled them and their families, done funerals, etc. than all who claim pot is the answer.

It shows how out of touch with reality you are. There are literally millions of us that look at cannabis as a positive answer to some of the modern pharmacuticles. Have you made millions of visits to the hospital? Can you speak the truth?

God gave us all herb bearing seeds for our benefit.

Maybe you could open up a Kool Aid stand and give the benefits to Bush.

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Comment #180 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 10:38:53 PT
Okay
BGreen, don't tell him that. I shouldn't have suggested it.

We can have a lot of opinions here about people and they are understood in our context. But when you are addressing someone directly they are going to hear you in their own context.

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Comment #179 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 10:35:40 PT
Hope
What did I say to Marsh that was mean?

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Comment #178 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 10:34:40 PT
Hope
Self Control is a remarkable gift.

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Comment #177 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:33:04 PT
The ability to restrain one's self
is really a good thing.

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Comment #176 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 10:31:38 PT
Just a Comment
I don't get involved outside of CNews concerning Cannabis issues. That way I keep my focus here. The point I want to make is that so many people worry about political parties but in reality we need to help bridge the gap between different cultures, opinions, hopes and fears. That is what can change the world. I call it the need to connect the dots or our society will fail in my opinion.

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Comment #175 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:31:24 PT
Whig...
You're a snake killer...no doubt.

But sometimes in the heat of the moment, I think, you can get downright joyfully mean!

Men seem to revel in that sometimes. It must be the testosterone.

Don't be mean to the man.

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Comment #174 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:29:23 PT
You're going to do what you want to do....
but I wish you wouldn't accuse the man of that.

It's a thought that does occur to one...but it's harsh. I think it's too harsh and very unkind.

The man's trying.



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Comment #173 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:24:51 PT
Marshian Chronicles
Hey Whig...very good...and kind responses to Mr. Marsh's most recent post.

I'm glad that didn't get lost in cyberspace!

When I lose a comment...I just tell myself it was probably best for reasons I might not have uderstood at that time. I'm counting on guidance...and when a comment gets swatted into cyber-space...I think...ok...maybe I'll try that again...or maybe I won't.

Keep on truckin!

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Comment #172 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 10:20:21 PT
BGreen
Please tell him that. I mean it.

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Comment #171 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 10:19:37 PT
Hope
Colossians 2:16-17 is really on point, isn't it? You are far better at citing scripture than I am. I spend more time trying to understand what is said than in knowing where to find it. In any case, I think you shouldn't give up on Pastor Marsh when you can speak his language so well. Take a look at the replies I made to him this morning.

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Comment #170 posted by BGreen on August 22, 2006 at 10:17:16 PT
"Pastor" Louie serves Satan, NOT God
"Pastor" Louie is a false prophet who is marching down the highway to hell.

He rejects the creations of the Lord God while embracing the laws of man. He rejects the Divine for the earthly. He should be removed from his position as a spiritual leader and be replaced by a Spiritual leader who accepts the gifts of the Father with thanksgiving.

Pastor Bud AKA The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #169 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:14:41 PT
Worth repeating...for emphasis
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

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Comment #168 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 10:13:23 PT
Toker and Sensemilla
That makes two that we inadvertently didn't post.

Maybe that means we've said enough for now to Mr. Marsh.

You know...the dead horse and the pearl trampling swine.

Of course, I'm not calling Mr. Marsh a "swine". Not at all. It's a parable of how little something of value can mean to a creature that sees no value in it...and that's how it is with sharing your beliefs and facts with someone who doesn't see or is incapable of seeing any value in them.

We've done the right thing. We've spoken for the generally defenseless and voiceless.

Maybe losing those comments in cyberspace is just an indication that God will take it from here. I perceive that Mr. Marsh loves God and wants to help people and do the right thing, as he sees it. Maybe God has used us to help Pastor Marsh do an even better job of what he feels led to do. If Mr. Marsh doesn't succumb to hatred and self-righteousness or a sense of over-all superiority, that could happen.

Collosians 2: 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

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Comment #167 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 09:54:10 PT
Hope
I'm glad you shared it with a friend. The heat you have been enduring has to be so difficult. When you have any livestock and a drought hits you worrying because of needed water and hay for the winter. I just found this video. I've never seen it before and it is so true. It's called Nothing is Perfect in God's Perfect Plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfBHbbyD6A8

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Comment #166 posted by whig on August 22, 2006 at 09:51:02 PT
Pastor Louie
He has a new post up "replying" to us:

http://marshianchronicles.com/?p=695

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Comment #165 posted by Hope on August 22, 2006 at 09:43:20 PT
FoM...the Working Cowboys video
I shared it with another farm family. They are worried sick about the hay situation and winter coming on. This is the reply she sent me after watching the video.

"That was amazing. Made me cry. I have seen my husband for 23 years laugh, sing , whistle and CRY, sweat, bleed and CRY more for that land. Thank you for sharing that. I will always keep it. We are going through rough times right now and need any ray of hope we can find"



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Comment #164 posted by Toker00 on August 22, 2006 at 09:41:02 PT
Well guys, you gave it your all.
Some will truly stay blinded by deception until the bitter end. Until he starts realizing that the agencies DEA, CIA, FBI, ABC, etc., do not spell GOD, he will remain deceived Remember pastor, if you are still reading here, even the Saints shall be deceived. If we, lowliest, can realize that we have all been Brainwashed Since Birth by our "Government", and deceived by Satan, why can't you, one who professes to seek GOD, who is TRUTH, realize perhaps you have been deceived by the same? True, it makes for a scarier world, but Jesus instructs us to be Brave.

I had a post ready to post there, and somehow I hit a wrong key and caused a fatal error, so it didn't get posted and you guys did such a great job anyway, I didn't re-try. He has another place to post where he has made still another ridiculous attack on God's gift. He also believes that Cannabis is Heroin. I feel grief and sorrow for him, because he has obviously dedicated his life to the Lord, but he needs to understand the consequences of obeying the laws of Man, and disobeying the Laws of God, and the teachings of Christ. It was Man's laws that Jesus broke and it was God's laws which he commanded us to obey. I'm done.

Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!

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Comment #163 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 08:07:32 PT
One More Comment
The Pastor believes we have to follow man's laws. I wonder what he thinks about when Jesus didn't honor the Sabbath and preached when he wasn't suppose to. Jesus was always doing something that would irritate the religious leaders of the time. Turning water to wine shows He isn't against a slight altering of ones mind or He wouldn't have done that as His first miracle. Narrow minded thinking is what gets us into the mess we are in I believe.

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Comment #162 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 06:56:18 PT
Hope
I checked out the Pastor's blog this morning. He is doing the same thing that I see people trying to do about hard drugs and cannabis. They put them in the same category. I will not stand with drug legalization because of basically what the Pastor said. Cannabis and Heroin or Meth or Cocaine are not in the same class of substance. There is no physical withdrawal pain from Cannabis but there is from Heroin. As long as people including the Pastor puts them all in the same box will will never make any progress. That's exactly what I believe. Maybe 20 or 30 years down the road society will be able to separate drugs from cannabis in their mind but for now that narrow approach will stumble us.

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Comment #161 posted by afterburner on August 22, 2006 at 06:15:44 PT
CCCaCCCC
Concerned Canadians Complain about Continuing Conservative Cannabis Crackdown

CN BC: PUB LTE: Teen Puzzled By Police Action, Nelson Daily News, (16 Aug 2006) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1102/a04.html?176

CN BC: PUB LTE: Dooley Reads Community Wrong, Nelson Daily News, (16 Aug 2006) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1102/a01.html?176

CN QU: Canada's Medical Marijuana Program, Hour Magazine, (17 Aug 2006) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1101/a11.html?176

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Comment #160 posted by FoM on August 22, 2006 at 06:15:29 PT
Hope
About the recovery web site when I went into de-tox on my own the only reading material they allowed me to have ( sensory depravation ) was a Bible. I wanted a magazine or anything but a Bible. I threw the Bible against the wall because I had absolutely no interested in God at that time. If God is all a person needs that would be great. It's just not so. Religion is a band-aid for a drug addicted person. If a person finds God and doesn't figure out why they got strung out they will return to the addicting drug I believe. Recovery takes rearranging a persons mind from years of addictive drug use. Religion just doesn't have staying ability. It turns into a seed planted in ground that can't nurture the seed to grow. A person must face what drugs have done to them and get on with life. Strength comes from doing it that way in my opinion.

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Comment #159 posted by afterburner on August 22, 2006 at 06:12:53 PT
Hope #126
RE the p-word.

When we use the p-word with affection, humor or mild scolding each other, we own the word and it is not offensive. When prohibitionists use the term disparagingly, it is offensive and hurtful.

In the same way black people use the n-word among their friends, but take offense if it is used against them by non-blacks.

The gay community has also claimed the q-word for their own use, but take offense when straight people use it as an insult.

It's not always what a person says, but sometimes more *how* sHe says it.

Love love love. LOve is my savior. God is love.

BTW, a book describing a "laughing Jesus" sparked the beginning of my enhanced spiritual understanding and personal relationship with the Lord.

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Comment #158 posted by Dankhank on August 22, 2006 at 04:37:38 PT
morning ...
Hope, you are a font of love and information on Marsh's site. Thank you for your words ...

It's early, think I'm gonna catch a couple of hours more sleep.

Peace to all the gentle, happy people here ...

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Comment #157 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on August 22, 2006 at 03:25:04 PT
Well, I wrote a real clever message....
then inadvertently hit the reset button, instead of post.

Anyways, it was all about cans, pots, heads, and marshes.

The creative minds here will probably imagine a better post than I originally wrote, anyhow.

Love, bong hits, vap hits, and/or brownies to everybody!

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Comment #156 posted by lombar on August 21, 2006 at 23:24:37 PT
being called pothead
.. would not be so bad if it werent for the getting put in jail part. Sticks and stones may break our bones but names will never hurt us! They use federal laws for that.



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Comment #155 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:42:37 PT
Thanks, Whig...that is a sweet thought.
Surely he's smiling on some of his children some of the time.

I sure hope so.

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Comment #154 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:41:14 PT
Good night, sweet friends....
I've got to get to bed...or I won't have a sense of humor in the morning!

It's wonderful going to bed with a smile on my face and in my heart.

Thank you.

Love really is the good stuff!

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Comment #153 posted by whig on August 21, 2006 at 22:40:58 PT
Hope
Everytime you laugh, God is laughing with you.

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Comment #152 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 22:40:42 PT
God Has A Sense Of Humor
This is my last comment for the night but I wanted to say He must have a sense of humor when He checks us out here! LOL!

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Comment #151 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:39:41 PT
Along with all the Love, and Mercy, and Grace...
he'd have to...wouldn't he.

I know he does though. I've seen a bit of it...on a truly divine scale.

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Comment #150 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:37:36 PT
Lol! Whig.
I've no doubt that God has a sense of humor!

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Comment #149 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:36:35 PT
I haven't checked out his recovery website.
I agree that pelting someone with your "pearls", or forcing them down their throats, is no better than throwing them down to be "trampled". In fact pelting someone with them is a very sorry idea... a waste of pearls and it can drive people from the truth of all that God is.

Having pearls thrown at you would be no easier than having rocks thrown at you. That's how I kind of see that kind of do-gooder.

Sometimes, with their brand of "love"...the best you can hope for is they don't do the person too much harm or disgrace the "Word"...and maybe ...and I'm sure that sometimes they really do rescue people and comfort and do a lot of people some real good.

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Comment #148 posted by whig on August 21, 2006 at 22:33:22 PT
Hope
I guess you could say I'm a born-again cannabist. But can I say born-again pothead? It's much funnier to me. :)

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Comment #147 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:29:15 PT
Every man...and woman's walk with God
is different...and we should never forget that.

I'm sorry to not have thought about that. But I was quite sincere when I said what I said about you and he having a different thing going on than he and I...and of course you would...and it's far more serious than I had recalled at the moment. Every relationship with him is serious...but ...you know what I'm trying to say.

He's really carried all of us... through so much...but I forgot about your particular trials. Once again, forgive me.

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Comment #146 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 22:26:48 PT
Hope
I read your comments on his blog and you did a fine job of explaining how you feel. I checked out the web site he is involved in about treatment. I really worry when religion is brought into helping someone who needs help with drug addiction. God can help but making it the way to help just isn't good enough. People need help but don't need religion necessarily.

Jay Bakker is odd to me but he came from a bizarre background. I have seen him on Larry King and he is like a punk rock type person and appears to be friends with Ozzy. His people on his community forum are young and disillusioned with mainstream churches. He had or has a drug problem and he helps others who are down and out now. He also has been a good son to his extreme but very nice mother.

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Comment #145 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:26:34 PT
That's right, Whig.
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about that. I forget about your bone disease sometimes and all the horrible times you've been through because of it.

Forgive me. I'm so sorry. I forgot that.

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Comment #144 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:24:40 PT
Whether he used it or not...I can't say...
But I know he created it and gave it to us and it's sanctified for many.

That's a fact for me.

Whig and he have something going on that he (my Lord) and I just haven't gotten around to. I guess I'm not really that concerned about that aspect of it and Whig...and others are...but I do know, for sure, and with all my heart... that he created it and I don't think he created it as a reason to build up the prison and drug re-education business.

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Comment #143 posted by whig on August 21, 2006 at 22:23:36 PT
Hope
God saved my life with cannabis. I was dying. I was going to be dead soon.

I was not religious before I used cannabis. God gave cannabis to me. God taught me with cannabis. I learned from God with cannabis. I became a Christian though I was born a Jew, because I took cannabis.

Cannabis has that much importance to me.

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Comment #142 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:18:23 PT
Lol!
Ok, BGreen...it's an affectionate term to some people. I'll accept that. No "stiff neck" here or "hardened heart" here!

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Comment #141 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:16:46 PT
Oh! Lol!
I was worried there for a minute about Bakker getting down on us! Legalizers! Lol! You mean those who are Legalistic...about the Law. They believe you break the Mosaic Law and Christ's work isn't enough...or that if you have accepted Christ legitamately, in their eyes...you couldn't possible slip up and break any aspect of the Mosaic Law. I get it! Whew...that's a relief. We don't need anyone else on our case!

I know what you mean about repsecting others beliefs...even if they are way out there as far as I'm concerned.

I respect Marsh's right to believe what he wants to believe. If I thought he was a weaker Christian...I wouldn't have talked to him as much about it as I did.

I don't want to shake people up who might have problems with their faith. They might not grow...they might just fall...and get all freaked out and miserable...and I don't want to do that to anyone...especially someone who is doing their best as far as their understanding will let them to love God. That too...is between them and God.

We're supposed to encourage and build up those who are weak...and everyone else, too, for that matter.

I don't believe you can talk with some people about the finer points of your faith and relationship. They can't or won't understand. If they're afraid or weaker...or just babies in the faith...I might make them more fearful or doubtful by talking about something they might not understand or get shook up about. If they are stubborn, willful, self righteous or believe that God wouldn't have any relationship with me or my kind...it would just be wasting "pearls".

While Marsh might trample what I believe are "pearls"...he's not likely to have any serious problems over my sharing what I believe with him. He's a big boy. I hope.

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Comment #140 posted by BGreen on August 21, 2006 at 22:07:25 PT
POTHEAD!!!!
For 25 years I've been Mrs. Green's "hippy pothead." It's her pet name for me and I love it. LOL

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #139 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 22:01:19 PT
Oh...Whig..
That's between you and God. If you think it's affectionate, than I guess it is to you.

Whether he did use cannabis in any way or form, I can't say...but there could come a day when he might say, "You put me in jail for being a pothead."...and they'll say, "When, Lord?"

It makes me uncomfortable...but...I still love you, anyway and I don't think God is as easily offended as people are, anyway. If it's ok between you and He...it's what matters, and it's not really any of my business.

I don't have many "hang-ups"...and where I would come to your defense...God doesn't need me to come to his defense.

I love you and good night.



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Comment #138 posted by whig on August 21, 2006 at 21:26:38 PT
Hope
I wish you wouldn't put it that way.

It offends me when someone calls you a "pothead". "Pothead" is a slur and an insult.

I'm sorry if I offended you it wasn't my intention. I know pothead is a dirty word to some people but it isn't to me. I can post another update to the blog later on to explain why I use the word. It's affectionate to me. I think it is more challenging to say it that way and it's partly my intention. Let me try to explain a little bit here.

I know many people who used cannabis in Pennsylvania, very few of them were potheads. A pothead to me is someone who uses cannabis religiously or every day. I don't want to give the impression I think that cannabis is something that Y'shua used once or twice. What word would you have me use? I could say "cannabist" but most people won't understand that word except other cannabists.

But I seriously intended no disrespect whatsoever.

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Comment #137 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 21:23:09 PT
Hope
The word isn't legalizers but something close. The ones that always are critical of everyone about everything. Legalists maybe.

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Comment #136 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 21:21:45 PT
Hope
I get Jay Bakker's newsletter. His mom is getting worse. This young man is getting down with issues about legalizers in the Church or whatever they are called.

http://www.vivalarevolution.org/

http://www.vivalarevolution.org/newsletter.htm

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Comment #135 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 21:12:17 PT
Dankhank
I have family that are really zealous Christians. They can't be reasoned with when it comes to many areas but they do believe what they believe with all their heart. That's why I show respect for different religious beliefs that have been in our culture for a long time.

Weeds is doing a good job in its second season.

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Comment #134 posted by Dankhank on August 21, 2006 at 21:03:17 PT
Nancy's got
serious gastrointestinal distress ...

gonna get fun ... and crazy ...

------on another note ....

I'm not sure if Chris Bennet is correct, but looking at how this world is, I want to believe there is another way. I no longer suffer religious fools ... lightly or otherwise ....

I'll joust with the rev until I get tired ...

Peace, out ... gonna watch the William Shat hit the fan ...



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Comment #133 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 20:55:20 PT
Hope
I avoid the Jesus and Cannabis link since He isn't here to tell us if it is true or not. I have respect for people who believe Jesus is their God and Savior. I also have respect for dedicated Muslims who believe and love their God. It's just an old fashioned respect thing for me.

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Comment #132 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 20:41:35 PT
freewillks
I saw a scene where Nancy is seeing the DEA agent again but that's all I remember. I was still stunned by the last scene when Nancy got sick and rightfully so.

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Comment #131 posted by freewillks on August 21, 2006 at 20:37:27 PT
DVR cut off preview.
What Happens next week? Help...I'm addicted to weeds...lol

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Comment #130 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 19:51:28 PT
Dankhank
How about: I know you're a drug dealer? Then she gets sick.

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Comment #129 posted by Dankhank on August 21, 2006 at 19:49:31 PT
yes ........
saw all that, and Advanced Nutrients that Kubby uses.

more intense than Cannabis Cup ...

amazing ........



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Comment #128 posted by ekim on August 21, 2006 at 19:43:53 PT
your handle is mighty mighty big smoke ol cool one
gee hope with wonderful people like these with such inquisitive minds - we as people will weather this storm.

for it is being revealed slowly but surely that one reason for much of the hurt felt by man is man made the embargo and sanction of the cannabis plant. as the pain felt will lessen with the lifting of such prohibition for the good will and good health of all. http://cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21920.shtml Lowering of Blood Pressure Through Use of Hashish Posted by CN Staff on June 19, 2006 at 09:41:08 PT By The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Source: eMaxHealth.com

Jerusalem -- A new method for lowering blood pressure (hypertension) through use of a compound that synthesizes a cannabis (hashish) plant component has been developed by a pharmacology Ph.D. student at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem School of Pharmacy. For his work on the cardiovascular activity of cannabinoids (chemical compounds derived from cannabis), Yehoshua Maor was one of the winners of this year's Kaye Innovation Awards, presented on June 13 during the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's 69th meeting of the Board of Governors.

Cardiovascular disease (CVD) accounts for about one-third of all deaths in industrialized countries, and is the leading reason for visits there to physicians as well as for drug prescriptions. However, not all patients respond well to the drugs available. There is no "ideal' hypotensive (blood pressure lowering) drug.

The cannabis plant - also known as hashish or marijuana – through its chemical compounds - cannabinoids - has been shown to have a beneficial, hypotensive effect. However, a drawback in the therapeutic use of cannabinoids has been its undesirable psychotropic properties - production of hallucinatory effects. Attempts to separate the hypotensive action from the psychotropic properties of cannabinoids have achieved only partial success until now.

Working under the supervision of Prof. Raphael Mechoulam at the Hebrew University School of Pharmacy, Maor, who was born in Brazil and immigrated to Israel in 1998, has created a synthetic version of a minor cannabis constituent named cannabigerol, which is devoid of psychotropic activity.

In laboratory experiments with rats in collaboration with Prof. Michal Horowitz of the Department of Environmental Physiology, it was found that this novel compound reduced blood pressure when administered to the rats in relatively low doses. Additional testing also showed that the compound also brought about another beneficial effect - relaxation of the blood vessels. A further beneficial property observed in work carried out with Prof. Ruth Gallily of the Lautenberg Center for General and Tumor Immunology, was that the compounds produced an anti-inflammatory response.

Maor believes that these qualities have the potential for development of a valuable new clinical drug with a major market potential, especially for patients suffering from inflammation of the blood vessels as the result of hypertension, and others with metabolic irregularities.

Maor already has won international recognition for his work with cannabanoids, resulting from his collaborative work with Garry Milman, another Ph.D. student in the laboratory of Prof. Mechoulam, for the discovery of an endogenous compound found in the brain which causes vaso-relaxation.

Maor begin a post-doctoral fellowship in the fall at the Harvard University Medical School, where he plans to continue his research.

Quote: "A new method for lowering blood pressure (hypertension) through use of a compound that synthesizes a cannabis (hashish) plant component has been developed."

Complete Title: Lowering of Blood Pressure Achieved Through Use of Hashish-Like Drug

Source: eMaxHealth.com (Web) Published: June 19, 2006 Copyright: 2006 eMaxHealth.com

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Comment #127 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 19:32:49 PT
Weeds: NORML, MPP, High Times and CC Too!
Did you see their banners?

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Comment #126 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 19:27:28 PT
Well, Whig...
I wish you wouldn't put it that way.

It offends me when someone calls you a "pothead". "Pothead" is a slur and an insult.

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Comment #125 posted by whig on August 21, 2006 at 19:14:13 PT
Jesus was a pothead
I posted about this on my blog too:

http://cannablog.wordpress.com/2006/08/21/jesus-was-a-pothead/

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Comment #124 posted by Dankhank on August 21, 2006 at 19:01:54 PT
Weeds
now

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Comment #123 posted by freewillks on August 21, 2006 at 18:59:32 PT
News
To: State Desk

Contact: Patrick Goggin, 415-312-0084; Tom Murphy, 207-542-4998; Adam Eidinger, 202-744-2671

SACRAMENTO, Calif., Aug. 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- AB 1147, The California Industrial Hemp Farming Act, passed its final vote in the Assembly today by a bipartisan vote of 43-28. The bill now heads to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's desk for his signature. Since passing out of the Assembly in January of this year, AB 1147 has gained momentum as legislators learned that California businesses spend millions of dollars each year importing hemp from Canada, China and Europe. Demand for hemp products such as clothing, food, body care, paper and even auto parts has been growing rapidly in recent years, with the U.S. hemp market now exceeding an estimated $270 million in annual retail sales. The new law would give farmers the ability to legally supply U.S. manufacturers with hemp seed, oil and fiber and would not weaken anti-drug laws.

"We thank legislators from both parties that listened to the facts about industrial hemp and made an historic decision to bring back the crop," says Vote Hemp President Eric Steenstra. "Passage in the California Legislature is a major accomplishment for the authors and sponsors of the bill, as well as for thousands of environmentally-conscious voters, farmers and businesses who wrote California legislators," says Steenstra.

The California Industrial Hemp Farming Act was introduced in February of 2005 by Democratic Assemblyman Mark Leno. This year, the bill was amended, and Republican Assemblyman Chuck Devore joined as co-author. In the bipartisan spirit of the legislation, the bill was managed on the floor of the Senate by Republican Tom McClintock and received support from Senator Abel Maldonado, a farmer and Republican member of the Senate Agriculture Committee. Another influential Republican Senator who supported the bill was Sam Aanestad, Vice Chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee. The support of Democratic Assemblymember Barbara Matthews, Chair of the Assembly Agriculture Committee, also was key to the bill's passage.

AB 1147 has been carefully crafted to comply with federal law and minimize impact to law enforcement. It includes tough regulations without placing an undue burden on farmers. The bill permits cultivation of only ultra-low-THC industrial hemp grown as an agricultural field crop or in a research setting. Backyard or horticultural cultivation is prohibited. Any clandestine grove of Cannabis will be considered a controlled substance regardless of its THC content.

Vote Hemp believes the new law would withstand federal scrutiny in the form of legal challenges and ultimately will result in commercial hemp farming in California. No industrial hemp is grown in the United States today, even though seven states have passed hemp farming and research bills in recent years. More details on industrial hemp legislation can be found at http://www.VoteHemp.com.

Final passage of AB 1147 could revitalize commercial industrial hemp farming, which occurred in California until shortly after World War II. "It appears the hemp seed and oil we currently import soon will be grown and produced right here in California," says David Bronner, Chair of the Hemp Industries Association's (HIA) Food and Oil Committee and President of ALPSNACK/Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps. "The HIA's member companies are urging Governor Schwarzenegger to support California's farmers and natural products industry by signing the industrial hemp bill. Double-digit sales growth over the last few years in the hemp food and body care sectors indicates strong consumer demand for hemp products that will sustain high prices for farmers for years to come," he adds.

More information about hemp legislation and the crop's many uses can be found at http://www.VoteHemp.com. BETA SP and DVD Video News Release featuring footage of hemp farming in other countries is available upon request by contacting Adam Eidinger at 202-744-2671.

http://www.usnewswire.com/



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Comment #122 posted by whig on August 21, 2006 at 18:57:38 PT
Hope #71
That was powerful testimony, Hope.

Powerful testimony.

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Comment #121 posted by mayan on August 21, 2006 at 18:26:41 PT
See The Light
I just sent the pastor a link of the 9/11 American Scholars Symposium video. The presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, Robert Bowman, is a featured speaker. Maybe the good pastor will see the light. Here's some exciting news...

Former WTC janitor William Rodriguez migh make a movie with Charlie Sheen and Esai Morales!

New Movie Focused on William Rodriguez in the Works? http://www.911blogger.com/v2/node/2199

FACT: Osama bin Laden has NOT been indicted for his involvement in 9/11: http://www.teamliberty.net/id290.html

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - OUR NATION IS IN PERIL: http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

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Comment #120 posted by global_warming on August 21, 2006 at 16:44:19 PT
if you are breathing
you have a bone,

you can take another breath

you can look around

see all the hungry

see around this world



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Comment #119 posted by global_warming on August 21, 2006 at 16:36:38 PT
What do you have?
Do you have money?

dO YOU HAVE Power?

Do you have a spiritual revelation?

Come Home..



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Comment #118 posted by global_warming on August 21, 2006 at 16:18:06 PT
re: That's a chance I just have to take to save
That's a chance I just have to take to save the Country I love.

You can trade all your baseball cards bg, tell me again, have you a handfull of this misery, drug wars, men and women who are caged for this useless disgrace called the war on drugs, how many good human beings are caught up in this craziness, how many good people cannot absolve their allegiance with the corporate disgrace, how many more good people, must be subjected to this immoral disgrace, how long can this disgrace continue?



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Comment #117 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 16:03:28 PT
Neil's Safety
Yes, I have been praying for his safety and CSN too. God Bless him and them for this album and tour.

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Comment #116 posted by BGreen on August 21, 2006 at 16:03:13 PT
The people who stood up against Hitler
They were just like us. They were outnumbered and considered traitors, but their resolve and ingenuity allowed them to prevail, and now they are honored as heroes in Museums and Memorials throughout Europe.

It's a well-known fact that hit squads are already at work here and abroad. That's a chance I just have to take to save the Country I love.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #115 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 16:01:29 PT
This Years Top Party School: U of Texas-Austin
U of Texas-Austin Tops Annual List of Nation's Best Party Schools

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/15326830.htm

Hope, I don't know if it can get that bad because of the Internet. The Internet has taught us so much. Even if the Internet went down we have learned what we needed to learn.

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Comment #114 posted by global_warming on August 21, 2006 at 15:59:44 PT
hey Hope
You were never alone and you have such power, the wind, the sun, the darkest moments are before the New Dawn.

Rise to Your Glory and Ride The Tempest, for it was always You who could see, and stand up for that man on that awful cross.



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Comment #113 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 15:59:03 PT
Please be careful friends.
I've come to realize that some of them really do hate us and our ideas that badly.

We need to pray for Neil's safety, too.

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Comment #112 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 15:55:25 PT
I heard a program last night that someone else
was watching. It was about Hitler's Werewolves. I'd never heard of them before. They would creep into villages at night and kill men and women who disagree with the Nazi Pogroms.

When I see the hatred that some people are feeling about this war and Bush and his strageties, I can't help but fear that we may may one day see Bush Werewolves prowling the night.

Lord knows, I hope not. But there are so many of them and so few of us and what is happening now parallels way too many things that were happening in Germany in those days.

Werewolves. Real ones. I'd never heard of them before last night.

They called themselves Werewolves to please Hitler, because Hitler had a thing for wolves. He really admired them. Even his dog was named Wolf.

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Comment #111 posted by BGreen on August 21, 2006 at 15:33:39 PT
I'm sorry, Hope
I don't understand how anybody could still support the commander in chimp knowing all we do at this stage of the game, but I do understand your predicament.

I'm sorry you have to deal with this so personally.

The Reverend Bud Green

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Comment #110 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 15:24:13 PT
Had Enough
Thanks. It's so good to know that a few people understand where I'm coming from. I didn't know if it was well said or not...I was in a rush to leave to go to town and was afraid I might have not done a very good job of saying how I felt.

I'm scared of bulls when I'm not on horseback...and I have that feeling around here of "being surrounded by the bulls of Bashan".



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Comment #109 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 15:17:19 PT
Hope
When you listen to it listen closely to Families. I love that song. It's a dead soldier singing his wishes to his Family.

Families

When you try to bring our spirit home

Won't you celebrate our lives

In a way that's right for our children

and families

When you write your songs about us

Won't you try to do us justice

Because we want to be just like you

and your families

I see a light ahead

There's a chill wind blowin' in my head

I wish that I was home instead

with my family

There's a universe between us now

But I want to reach out and tell you how

much you mean to me

and my family

I'm goin' back to the USA

I just got my ticket today

I can't wait to see you again

in the USA.

He got his ticket today broke me up when I first heard it.

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Comment #108 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 15:08:27 PT
Brrrrr...
But I'll listen to it tomorrow, when I know I won't be offending anyone that might lose their cool.

:0(

"Blessed is the peacemaker."

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Comment #107 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 15:04:59 PT
Hope
I'm sorry. I hope you get to really listen to it sometime and absorb the message. This is a political album like nothing that Neil has made before I think. He's angry but he said he is more sad.

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Comment #106 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 15:00:26 PT
It's a fact....
after listening to the first song, After the Garden is Gone, I'm going to have to be very careful when and where I play this. I'm not kidding.

In fact...I'm going to have to wait till I go to the farm to play it. I'm that worried about it. :0(

It's political and I'm afraid someone will hear me play it...and I don't feel up to the fight.

It's sad. I know...but them's the facts, ma'm.

My hearts thumping and I've just heard two songs.

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Comment #105 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 14:59:29 PT
Hope
That's great. Here are the lyrics if you want to read them while you listen to LWW. It is raw and full of I don't know what but I love it.

http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/lww.htm

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Comment #104 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 14:57:15 PT
Hope
I don't understand their mindset. I am not right on everything I believe. If I am wrong I will learn and change how I think. If an issue isn't important to me I usually won't remember it but if it is important to me I won't forget it. I wish they were that way. Who are we to think we can't be wrong?

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Comment #103 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 14:49:32 PT
Just went out and bought LWW...Finally.
Fixing to play it.

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Comment #102 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 14:49:17 PT
Dankhank
Thank you I turned it on. Tonight is Weeds too. I hope I can find at least one article to post for today. This is the slowest time of the year I think. It's a good time for a concert. I won't feel guilty about being away a little.

Cooking With Jesus

Written by: Jenji Kohan

Directed by: Craig Zisk

Nancy breaks it off with Peter and gets on with her grow house. Nancy, Andy, and Doug attend a marijuana convention to shop for a start-up plant for the new business. Megan's acceptance to Princeton causes Silas to make a rash decision.

http://www.sho.com/site/weeds/episodes.do

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Comment #101 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 14:48:11 PT
FoM comment 79
I agree. So true.

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Comment #100 posted by Dankhank on August 21, 2006 at 14:39:34 PT
Sundance ...
on now, an amazing movie about Townes Van Zand.

American musician ...

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Comment #99 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 14:35:50 PT
Dankhank
If you can come it would be great. If you can't I sure understand. Maybe we will have our house totally done by next year and will be able to have more people and just have a good time if it doesn't work out. We have two more rooms to do and one for the first time. We will be done working around here with building by the last concert. I won't miss the dry wall dirt.

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Comment #98 posted by Dankhank on August 21, 2006 at 14:28:00 PT
thought so ...
still gotta check with my honey, got a lotta stuff going on these next few weeks ...

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Comment #97 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 14:20:07 PT
Celaya
They taped 3 nights at Red Rocks. It will be released before Christmas I read in one of the interviews from the tour.

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Comment #96 posted by Celaya on August 21, 2006 at 14:11:38 PT
FoM
Yes. I saw the Neil Young interview. That was great! Thanks. I sure wish they were playing near me! I hope they do a long movie of the tour!

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Comment #95 posted by Had Enough on August 21, 2006 at 14:05:26 PT
Amen Sister Hope

Hope #71

People are so touchy and full of hatred now, I'm scared to say anything to anybody about anything. I certainly won't argue about what Kaneh Bosm was or wasn't. I suspect it could be cannabis...but I don't think Jesus rolled a "fatty". Where'd he get the Zig Zags? I believe sincerely that He created it as a gift for mankind. He wouldn't condemn anyone for using it. I don't believe there's a fourteenth commandment that says "Don't use cannabis!"

I believe that all our veterans since the Revolution fought, and suffered, and many died, to protect our rights. I feel so strongly that such a high price was paid to protect those rights that's it's a huge insult to those who paid that price to even think about giving even one of them up easily. I treasure them and I treasure the Constitution and I'm very grateful to all those who fought to defend and preserve it.

Yes, obviously some of them do hate and want to kill us. Their god is a god of hate and death and exclusion. Mine's not. My God is different. He's about Love. (There's that scary word again.)

There's blood thirst, hatred, and anger everywhere I turn. It's the world. I'm in it...but not of it. I want to follow the teachings of Christ, even when it's difficult...but it's so hard. We were warned the world would hate us because of our Christianity. I was so niave when I first heard that. I just didn't see how it could be that people could hate people for being gentle, kind, and loving...but...wow...was I wrong.

Hope #74

and willingly giving up my rights and my childrens rights to be free of an oppressive government to buy a false sense of security? No way! My grandfathers who fought for those rights, including the right to protect my family, friends, and myself would roll over in their graves.

It's really sad. For many people the terrorists did win completely that awful day in September. Once brave men and women are running over themselves to burn the Constitution, hoping it will give them more security from the Beast. The Beast in in the room with them, I fear. In their hearts even.

Very well said!!!

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Comment #94 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 14:01:45 PT
Dankhank
You got mail.

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Comment #93 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 13:46:52 PT
Dankhank
It's the last venue in the tour. It should be quite remarkable. We are going on the 29th on Tuesday next week too.

Last Concert: Sunday, 09/10/2006 Burgettstown, PA (Pittsburgh): Post-Gazette Pavilion

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Comment #92 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 13:43:37 PT
DankHank
I don't know what I am going to do with the extra tickets. Would you and your wife want to come to our place and go with us? Afterburner is coming down from Canada.

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Comment #91 posted by Dankhank on August 21, 2006 at 13:40:58 PT:

CSNY
FoM ...

sorry TokerOO won't be able to make it ...

hate to sound like a vulture or something ... but ...

Whatcha gonna do with the extra tickets ...?

what day is the show?

I lost your email address ...



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Comment #90 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 13:18:24 PT
Celaya
If you didn't see the video from ABC News if you have a good connection you really should check it out. I hope after the tour is over that CSNY takes a break and comes back and goes for it again next year and maybe even 08. Maybe Neil will have written another album by 08 though. What a time we live in.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2335507

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Comment #89 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 13:06:05 PT
Celaya
I know what you are saying. I feel sorry for people who are in that frame of mind. They miss so much of life and God's creation.

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Comment #88 posted by Celaya on August 21, 2006 at 13:03:41 PT
The song goes...
"I got stoned and I missed it."

It should go, "I got saved and I missed it." 8^)

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Comment #87 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 13:00:37 PT
Celaya
When we have a formed opinion based on religious belief we will hope and pray that it keeps moving on towards the belief we have. That isn't what people should be doing. Sometimes Christians can be so heavenly minded that they aren't any earthly good. I know I've seen it all.

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Comment #86 posted by Celaya on August 21, 2006 at 12:55:55 PT
FoM
It seems that most people who believe in Armageddon are practicing wish fulfillment - like they desperately need this to happen to confirm the belief they're so heavily invested in.

Whew! I attended an Assembly of God service once. When they started speaking in tongues, it seemed like a form of self-induced madness! We got out of there as quickly as possible. Scary!

We should never give up, of course. As long as we keep the light burning, there's hope the mesmerized populace will see it and snap out of their war hysteria.



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Comment #85 posted by ekim on August 21, 2006 at 12:52:36 PT
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Through this technology, the cost of converting cellulosic biomass into usable sugars can be reduced by more than 20 times per gallon of ethanol produced.

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Comment #84 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 12:24:23 PT
Celaya
I didn't see your post but I will look again. I don't see the minister as hateful but I think he believes that we are headed toward Armageddon and bases his feelings on religion. I was an Assembly of God member. I know what fundamentalists believe. I do believe this could be it for the world. I refuse to lose hope that we can turn it around though. As soon as we give up and say what's the use we will be doomed. We will make prophecy come true.

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Comment #83 posted by Celaya on August 21, 2006 at 11:57:55 PT
FoM
"I can't imagine anyone that is paying attention to what the Bush Administration has done to us and the whole world who couldn't use a little therapy. Cannabis is used in Israel to help with trauma from war."

You've touched on one of my pet theories about cannabis. I intuitively feel that cannabis returns us to our natural state as human beings. The last few hundred years have piled so many artificial and malign pyschic constructs on our consciousness that we have forgotten what is like to be really human.

I can imagine the world as it was, where there was a natural joy in performing the basic tasks of obtaining food, clothing and shelter, enjoying family and friends, and being one with nature. Sound familiar?

We need it today more than ever!

(I added a post at Marsh's Chronic - under John Thomas)

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Comment #82 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 11:51:53 PT
The American Voting System: HACKED
I went to LWW Today and this is at the top of the page. We need a paper trail.

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY

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Comment #81 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 11:30:46 PT
One More Thing
This isn't one war but two wars. It's a fundamental war of religions and who is right and those who could care less but are trying to captalize on the frenzy of war. People really aren't important to the powers that be.

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Comment #80 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 11:27:36 PT
Hope
Jesus was called the Prince of Peace. I wonder how He would feel about the chaos that they have created.

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Comment #79 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 11:24:21 PT
Hope
These are very scary times. I believe in reason. I believe that our current leaders need to get a handle on self righteousness that seems to rule the Republican Party currently. When anyone says anything about their policies they become an instant enemy. I have never seen so much hate in my life. It reminds me of a frenzied reaction and constant justification for how killing everyone because they are against our religious beliefs is why I don't believe in religion in politics. They just won't mix. They are like oil and water.

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Comment #78 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 11:22:36 PT
Watching
every minute...to see His works.

In the midst of all this horror and fear...I'm still looking to Him and I'm still going to stay on the path that His teachings laid out for us.

I'm sure I haven't got the faith of Daniel in the lions' den or of Shaddrach, Meschach, and Abedneggo in the fire...but I've got a measure of faith and trust. I believe He's real and cares. Where there's love and mercy...He's there. My part is to love and trust and have mercy.

It's not easy...but that's what I'm bound to. I hope and pray that I don't deny Him and His Power. I saw it done just a few days ago. It was awful. I hope I'm able to stand my ground...even to the death, if I have to...if the time comes.

My knees will probably knock...but maybe, and I hope that He does, the God of Love will steady me and help me stand.

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Comment #77 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 11:13:24 PT
These times are trying our faith
in ways that I never could have imagined.

I have to trust God and His power. I'm scared. I won't lie. But I'm clinging to the Lord and counting on Him.



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Comment #76 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 11:08:03 PT
"politics is a religion to some people"
That's the truth!



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Comment #75 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 11:06:17 PT
Hope
I remember Bin Laden saying right after 9/11 that we won't have to do anything else to your country.

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Comment #74 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 11:02:20 PT
And whittling away at the Constitution
and willingly giving up my rights and my childrens rights to be free of an oppressive government to buy a false sense of security? No way! My grandfathers who fought for those rights, including the right to protect my family, friends, and myself would roll over in their graves.

It's really sad.

For many people the terrorists did win completely that awful day in September.

Once brave men and women are running over themselves to burn the Constitution, hoping it will give them more security from the Beast. The Beast in in the room with them, I fear. In their hearts even.

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Comment #73 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 11:01:09 PT
Hope
I'm really sorry that that person jumped on you. I had that happen to me not to many months ago. I am very middle of the road on my beliefs. I don't believe in sensationalism just absolute facts. I don't hate but feel sorry for people who really do hate other people and particularly over politics. It's like politics is a religion to some people. I keep my thoughts mostly to myself. Republicans call people who don't want war on people here and around the world as weak and I believe it takes more strength to not fight then to fight.

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Comment #72 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 10:56:11 PT
FoM
You know I'm no wimp. I'd fight like a mama bear to protect my children and grandchildren. I'd fight the proverbial "circle saw"...but I still think it's inappropriate, as a Christian, for me to take up a weapon and go try to wipe out all the relatives and neighbors of even a real killer. Going after a killer is one thing...going after everyone he's related to or knows is something else entirely.

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Comment #71 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 10:51:55 PT
FoM
Sarcasm is a pointed stick. The pointed stick poked some sore spots...as I assume it was meant to.

I think God made the plant and it isn't a sin to use it. I do believe it's a sin to persecute, imprison, and kill people over it...or even judge them over it, as in judging that they need to be "re-educated" about it.

People are so touchy and full of hatred now, I'm scared to say anything to anybody about anything. I certainly won't argue about what Kaneh Bosm was or wasn't. I suspect it could be cannabis...but I don't think Jesus rolled a "fatty". Where'd he get the Zig Zags? I believe sincerely that He created it as a gift for mankind. He wouldn't condemn anyone for using it. I don't believe there's a fourteenth commandment that says "Don't use cannabis!"

The only time it would be wrong...in my eyes...is when use of it in the presence of someone who did believe it was a sin, might cause that weaker brother or sister to stumble...and that would be wrong. I believe it's a very good and amazing plant...but I know that there are those who are weaker and are scared to death of it. I wouldn't dream of "scaring" them with it.

Last week, because I thought the Judge who ruled against the warrantless wiretaps did the right thing in protecting the Constitution, I got all kinds of hell brought down on my head. It was absolutely apocalyptic!

I believe that all our veterans since the Revolution fought, and suffered, and many died, to protect our rights. I feel so strongly that such a high price was paid to protect those rights that's it's a huge insult to those who paid that price to even think about giving even one of them up easily. I treasure them and I treasure the Constitution and I'm very grateful to all those who fought to defend and preserve it.

Apparently the one man that got so crazy about the ruling was looking for someone to pounce on about it. I didnt' see it coming. They walked up to me and brought it up. "What do you think about that ruling?" All I said was that I thought it was a good ruling and I didn't want to give my blood bought rights up for a false sense of security.

In less than five minutes, that person told me that they'd LIKE to see some "towel heads" get a hold of me! One minute they're saying it was all to protect me...the next they would LIKE to see me fall into the hands of terrorists?

But it didn't end there. There was screaming about "towel heads" could blow up my grandchildren's school! They asked "Would I like that?" Of course, by this time, I knew there was something going on besides a conversation...so I didn't say anything other than "Of course not!" But I thought to myself, neither do I want them blown up in Iraq...which is really happening.

I had mentioned to this person before how I thought a real Christian based government would be an amazing thing...but I'd never known of a real one and they immediately jumped back into that older conversation we'd had, without prompting.

"You know why you haven't seen a real Christian based government? Because it's stupid! That Love stuff is stupid! Loving your enemies and turning the other cheek is stupid! It wouldn't work. It's never worked and it never will work!"

They may have called me an "idot" or a "moron" about that time. They did say that I and all my friends that I talked to on the internet (I think he meant you guys) were stupid and idiots for believing that stupid Love stuff.

It was bad. It was really bad. He had his fists clenched and I thought he was going to hit me, since there were no "towel heads" around to do it for him.

The man was supposed to be a Christian...but he denied every aspect of it and spat on it.

I used to hear preachers say that a day was coming when people would deny being Christians. People that had claimed they were when things were easy would deny it when confronted with the Beast. I imagined it happening differently back then. I didn't foresee it going down like this. I knew they would do it out of fear...but I didn't see it happening exactly like it did. It was fear of not following the Beast...but in a different way than I thought it would be. Denying Christ completely and putting a man or men and their power to make war above God.

But I've seen a man do it now and proclaim his faith in the flesh...the Beast...a man, over God. It was an awful thing to see and hear.

So, now I have a new "enemy" to pray for, and naturally, I'm upset about that.

You know I believe in all our rights... including the right to bear arms and protect ourselves. I don't believe we should leave our homes and take vengence on innocent until proven guilty, men, women, and children in another country because we have suddenly seen that we should be wary of some of their faith.

Yes, obviously some of them do hate and want to kill us. Their god is a god of hate and death and exclusion. Mine's not. My God is different. He's about Love. (There's that scary word again.)

There's blood thirst, hatred, and anger everywhere I turn. It's the world. I'm in it...but not of it. I want to follow the teachings of Christ, even when it's difficult...but it's so hard.

We were warned the world would hate us because of our Christianity. I was so niave when I first heard that. I just didn't see how it could be that people could hate people for being gentle, kind, and loving...but...wow...was I wrong.



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Comment #70 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 08:54:32 PT
Another Video and Article on Protest Music
Musicians Rock, Rap and Twang Against the War

Three Years After the Dixie Chicks Got Pounded for Criticizing President Bush, Diverse Musicians Join the Chorus.

Neil Young is an old hand at protest music, and he's at it again with his album, "Living With War." (ABC News)

Aug. 20, 2006 — Anti-war songs are often thought of as a relic of the Vietnam era, but today's stars are now increasingly criticizing the government over the war in Iraq.

Just a few years ago, this was considered a risky career move, but now rocking against the war is, quite literally, all the rage.

Video: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2335906

News Article: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Politics/story?id=2335786&page=1

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Comment #69 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 07:19:39 PT
Hope
I don't think that the Pastor is being really mean. I post articles that I don't believe and don't spend time thinking of a comment about the article. I believe that the war against people who think that Cannabis shouldn't be against the law is immoral. People are in prison over a plant that was put on this earth by God. If God thought it was a bad plant why did He create it? Seed bearing plants were given to us by God or so it says in Genesis. I won't get into areas that I feel might not be right but locking up and wrecking lives over this plant is wrong.

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Comment #68 posted by mayan on August 21, 2006 at 07:14:17 PT
Afterburner
I doubt if there will be any trolls. I think we're the only ones who have visited Marsh's site!

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Comment #67 posted by afterburner on August 21, 2006 at 07:13:51 PT
Yes, FoM
However, our US federal government won't accept cannabis therapy. They see any use of cannabis as a reason for caging OR providing forced treatment, anything-but-cannabis therapy, the velvet glove on the iron fist, court-ordered treatment instead of caging. Israel at least acknowledges the benefit of cannabis therapy for post-traumatic stress disorder. Would that the US government had such wisdom.

By the way, new visitors, my previous rant on The Principles of the Therapeutic State was sarcasm, just in case anyone misunderstood. I detect these attitudes in those who would replace forced caging with forced treatment for those who enjoy the medical and spiritual blessings of the herb, cannabis.

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Comment #66 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 07:04:46 PT
Pastor Marsh is up
And Whig's comment, and another, and his response are up at that url now.

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Comment #65 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 06:53:02 PT
Therapy
Afterburner, I can't imagine anyone that is paying attention to what the Bush Administration has done to us and the whole world who couldn't use a little therapy. Cannabis is used in Israel to help with trauma from war.

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Comment #64 posted by afterburner on August 21, 2006 at 06:43:48 PT
#54-#56: whig, Toker00, mayan
Yeah, I read the rantings, sarcasm, and guilt-by-association dripping from this holier-than-thou so-called pastor of Christ. More "decent" scholars would support the truth about cannabis and its spiritual and healing properties and history if doing so didn't subject them to ridicule by the likes of Pastor Louie Marsh! What exactly does he mean by "decent," anyway? If he means people who want to prohibit cannabis, his argument is circular.

Louie Marsh obviously has not read the original source material by Sula Bennet (circa 1936). At least he's bringing the curious Christians to cannabisnews. Watch out for trolls, but maybe some visitors will see the light of wisdom on the cannabis issue by reading here. Welcome, open-minded Christian visitors.

So, Pastor Marsh thinks our friends here at cnews need "therapy"! Here's my own little rant about therapy:

Principles of the Therapeutic State

-Only people on drugs have emotions -Regular people are always rational and logical -Creativity is caused by a chemical imbalance -Real people conform -There are no accidents, only crimes

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Comment #63 posted by mayan on August 21, 2006 at 06:43:26 PT
I Want My $ Back!
NYT: Six-year, $4.7b effort to slash Colombia's coca crop has left price, quality, availability of cocaine on US streets unchanged: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_Sixyear_4.7b_effort_to_slash_0818.html

Afghan poppy harvest increases 40 percent: http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060818-075144-3760r.htm

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Comment #62 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 06:27:03 PT
ABC World News: Neil Young's Protest Music
Great Video: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2335507

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Comment #61 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 06:17:57 PT
Toker00
I'm really sorry you can't make it. I was just reading the reviews on the Rust List and last night show was great too. These guys are on a mission and it is making many people really happy.

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Comment #60 posted by mayan on August 21, 2006 at 06:16:53 PT
Murkowski
Alaska Gov. May Be Unseated in Primary: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/19/ap/politics/mainD8JJ77VO0.shtml

He won't be missed.

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Comment #59 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 05:57:32 PT
Pictures from The Seattle Hempfest 2006
http://tinyurl.com/nkmqo

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Comment #58 posted by FoM on August 21, 2006 at 05:54:00 PT
Related Article from Seattle Post Intelligencer
Monday, August 21, 2006

Advocates for Legalizing Marijuana Tout The Benefits at Hempfest

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By Mike Lewis, P-I Reporter

August 21, 2006

Former Seattle police Chief Norm Stamper doesn't have dreadlocks, a Zig-Zag T-shirt or a single Phish album. He just sounds like it.

Snipped:

Complete Article: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/281994_hempfest21.html

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Comment #57 posted by Hope on August 21, 2006 at 05:52:58 PT
Whig
Up at six and saw your post...been checking out the Marshian Chronicles for an hour and a half.

Odd that he didn't link to the Guardian Unlimited. Nobody to ridicule there, I guess.



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Comment #56 posted by mayan on August 21, 2006 at 04:29:57 PT
whig
Where is your reply to "Pastor" Louie Marsh's ignorant drivel? I see that he posted the titles to some linked articles(without the links) that I posted here back in 2003. I guess that is his attempt to ridicule us "pot-heads." It seems that he believes in the government's drug war and the gov't account of 9/11. The truth obviously means nothing to him so I must conclude that he and his brand of religion are pretty phony.

Since exactly zero folks have commented on that page of his since January, I will just let the big goose egg remain there! What an ignorant loser.

THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...

Austin Pastor Fights to Spread 9/11 Truth: http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/170806_austin_pastor.html

Truth seekers, not Bush bashers - by Jim Fetzer: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51579

Norway's Dagbladet Strikes Again! http://www.911blogger.com/v2/files/Translated.pdf

9/11 Neo-Con Hit Piece Explodes Into Controversy: http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/180806hitpiece.htm

World Net Daily Forced To Issue 9/11 Hit Piece Retraction: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/180806issueretraction.htm Neo-Fascists Declare War On Truth Movement: http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/neo_facists_declare_war_on_truth_movement.htm

911podcasts.com presents Mia Hamel Arrest Leafleting Oliver Stones WTC: http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=156

Loose Change Crew Releases Flyer and New Info on NYC 5th Anniversary Events: http://www.911blogger.com/v2/node/2162

Introducing "9/11: Press for Truth": http://www.911truth.org/press4truth.htm

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Comment #55 posted by Toker00 on August 21, 2006 at 04:12:11 PT
Nice reply whig. Where?
:p Would really like to see your response. It always amazed me to hear religious leaders demonize people who otherwise teach with the word of Christ, but because they use cannabis, they need therapy? Or is that just because we question authority?

I watched "What the west needs to know about Islam" on C-span last night. Mohamed sounds like the complete opposite of Christ. Jesus says listen to NO man, but listen to me. (Truth) Mohamed says listen to me, and no one else. Christ says heal , Mohamed says kill. Christianity is based on Love, Islam is based on Hate. You have to really hate someone to kill them, in my opinion. So if Allah is the Deity of Hate, and Jehovah is a God of Love, why would you consciously choose to Hate? Is Islam the Anti-Christ? What are the Christians who kill in the name of Christ? It's chilling to know that over a Billion Muslims want us to convert to Islam, or die. Sounds a lot like "democracy" and "fascism", doesn't it?

I believe ALL religions should be required to present evidence of their beliefs. Faith is re-enforced when the results of a situation end favorably after prayers are said, and if it doesn't, it's just God's will. Really? How many of the victims of war and religious oppression have been saved by prayer of faith? Not too many. Any? The odds are, actions were taken to cause the favorable outcome, and is not the outcome of faith. I'm not saying you shouldn't have faith, for faith allows us strength to get through tough times. But believing the creator of the Universe wants us to be so narrow minded about his creation and wants us to kill to enforce this narrow mindedness, is illogical. Where's the evidence to support this?

Maybe I'm just losing my Faith. Or my Religion.

FoM, I'm truly sorry I can't make the CSNY concert. Your understanding e-mail was appreciated. Sorry it took me this long to publicly admit my failure. Like I told FoM, it breaks my heart. Hopefully there will be other opportunities to meet. Hey, that's Faith, isn't it? Maybe I haven't lost it all.

Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!

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Comment #54 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 23:16:40 PT
Linkage
Thought you might like to see my reply to this:

http://marshianchronicles.com/?p=476

Say hello to Pastor Marsh.

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Comment #53 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 21:00:07 PT
Ekim
I meant that *smile* in that I was glad you'd experienced that...and that we'd both remembered our Dads because of FoM's video and song. It's a sweet feeling and I'm grateful you had it, too.

Thanks.

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Comment #52 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 19:57:15 PT
ekim
*smile*

Right after my Dad died, I heard more good old cowboy songs for some reason than I'd ever heard in my life. It helped.

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Comment #51 posted by ekim on August 20, 2006 at 19:40:45 PT
he is mighty proud ---hope --all here are
Makes me think of my Dad, too. A lot.

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Comment #50 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 19:31:47 PT
Hope
I was surprised I found that video today. I think it sums up how we need to see more then we would see when our cultures are different. I think it makes for a really nice picture of a cross section of the USA and society. There is so much to learn. More and more people feel a need to connect. I think the more oppressive a government becomes the more people look for people of like mind that are questioning why. Never stop questioning. I know we won't here on CNews.

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Comment #49 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 19:23:46 PT
Thank you, FoM, for this place
(and I really wouldn't "slobber" on Neil and Willie...that's just an expression I use sometimes.)

:0)

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Comment #48 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 19:09:26 PT
Hope and Whig
I am happy that we have this community. We are all so different and that's what I like. I learn that way. I don't believe we should ever stop learning.

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Comment #47 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:50:34 PT
You da one!
All of you!

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Comment #46 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:49:26 PT
You Betcha, Whig...
You guys...and right here.



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Comment #45 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:47:33 PT
First time
I've ever put a picture of myself on the desktop in all these years.



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Comment #44 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 18:46:35 PT
Hope
Do you know some kind folks you can spend time around when you are feeling down? I hope that's what CNews is for people and it sure was for me when I was feeling like things were oppressive.

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Comment #43 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:44:45 PT
It's getting to me...
I just put my hot day hat picture up for the background on my desktop.

It's getting to other people too....I think in not the same way. I sense the tension rising...but I'll play it one more time...anyway.

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Comment #42 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:28:53 PT
Ya holler
and sometimes swear...shake it off and keep on going.

Kind of like what we do here.

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Comment #41 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:27:44 PT
"Are there anymore Country families...
still workin hand in hand..."

You can bet there are.

My sister and I busted three fingers between us getting the hay fork back on the old tractor, Friday.

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Comment #40 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 18:12:20 PT
Thanks FoM.
"I'm glad you still have the heart of a real working cowgirl."

I do...but sometimes I have to wonder how long it's gonna hold out.

Makes me think of my Dad, too. A lot.

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Comment #39 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 18:10:41 PT
Milla
Misspelled her last name: Milla Jovovich

And this really is the same Milla:

http://www.millaj.com/

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Comment #38 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 18:08:43 PT
The Alien Song (for those who listen)
http://tinyurl.com/z3lpg

I see a shining.... A sweeping from the clouds A glimmer of hope is coming to feel our light Oh look it's flashing This life among the stars Reaching out to know us to feel our might Oh... this restless hope in you Please... try and help us Stand on our own As we STEPPED on this pavement and saw your dying minds Paper, for which you're killing a brother's life Help you, we cannot TOUCH you we cannot understand Your people's proud destruction Of their own land Oh... we're flying On from you We... will not stay to See your fate Watch them fly away Watch them fly away See the lines across the sky Watch them fly away

by Milla Jovavich

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Comment #37 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:58:17 PT
It's really hard not to wallow in self pity
when it really is pitiful...but I won't.

Love you all.

And thanks for the song and video, FoM.

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Comment #36 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:56:59 PT
My alcoholic gene
is raising hell.

But I'll fight it.

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Comment #35 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:55:40 PT
I'm a mighty lucky ole gal
to have had the honor of working cattle from horseback.

I love them both...the horses and the cattle.

That video of the guys working...just tears me up.

And the "rows and rows of houses" ARE coming after us. I see them from those pastures...when just a few years ago there was just us.

It makes me sick.



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Comment #34 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:51:07 PT
I'm listen to Neil and Willie
and looking at the pictures I've sent you of me in my hat at the end of a long hot day, and my sister and the livestock...and the old barns.

I'm not fit for anything right now...but I've got to finish cooking supper.

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Comment #33 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 17:51:01 PT
Hope
I'm glad you liked it. I thought it was beautiful. A tribute to real working cowboys. I'm glad you still have the heart of a real working cowgirl.

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Comment #32 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:46:56 PT
Lord Knows...
I'm just squallin.

Right now...I'd like to listen to Willie and Neil sing to me, and get drunk and just hug and slobber all over em.

:0(

Thanks, it's beautiful.

I'll be playin it and squallin till someone makes me turn it off.

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Comment #31 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:41:05 PT
Time Fades Away
The first song I ever remember Willie doing, and he was a black haired lounge singer in Grapevine, Texas, and I was just a kid, was Ain't It Funny How Time Slips Away.

I think.

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Comment #30 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:36:52 PT
You Tube
loads better for me than anything else.

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Comment #29 posted by Dankhank on August 20, 2006 at 17:29:41 PT
available on
Vinyl if you can find a good one on ebay.

I have a pretty good copy of the album on Vinyl, myself ...

Neil has always rocked, he must share .... please, Neil?

can we have a CD copy ... from the record company ...?

see previous link ...

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Comment #28 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:28:01 PT
My cowboy hat
You've seen it. Had to go to the store and pay a feed bill the other day...dogs wanted to go along. Threw my hat in the front seat, (they were in the back seat) when I ran in for probably less than three minutes tops, all the windows down, right at the front door and came back and my hat had about nine holes and a broken brim. They must have done a "hat dance" on it.

Man...I liked that hat.

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Comment #27 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 17:21:46 PT
Working Cowboys
I've got it loading. It will be awhile.

It's hard being a working cowboy. It ain't much fun. It's hard, dirty, sweaty, dangerous work and there isn't much...if any reward. Your old horse may love you...but he may kill you. And then you're tired, broke down...and it's all gone. It's no wonder so many of them wind up depressed and hitting the bottle too hard.

I'm pretty down. Not down with it...just down.

Hey...I may be on to a country song here.



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Comment #26 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 16:17:25 PT
Dankhank
Glad you liked the video. I love YouTube. Time Fades Away was never released I think. I believe when the Archives are released it might be on there but I'm not reallty sure. I think they got put back because of LWW and the tour. They just did a piece on Protest music on ABC's World News. It was really good. Hopefully someone will put it on Youtube.

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Comment #25 posted by Dankhank on August 20, 2006 at 15:14:31 PT
willie and neil ...
I went with a friend to Willie Nelson's 4th of July picnic at Cowboy stadium or some such in Dallas circa 1978. Great show with many countrified acts, Willie, Waylan, Kris, Emmylou Harris, Ray Hubbard, CDB, and enjoyed it very much. Can't remember if we got high, think so, but it was hot as hell, no ... as it's today, on that astroturf ... we drank scads of water and beer. Had to pour the beer into a gallon jug and call it ginger ale, the guards were cool about it.

Saw Neil with Linda Rondstadt, sp?, wife and I, in OKC about 1972, a song from that show is on the album "Time Fades Away."

http://www.thrasherswheat.org/tnfy/tfa-petition.php

I've dabbled a bit around the edges of CW as can bee seen, but I have always disliked CW in general and in principle ...

so, sue me ...

:-)

peace ...

ps, liked the video, FoM



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Comment #24 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 14:23:12 PT
Hope
Great post. I hope you will be able to see and hear that Working Cowboys video. It made me think of you.

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Comment #23 posted by Hope on August 20, 2006 at 14:06:33 PT
Legal
I thought in the seventies it would be legal, too.

I didn't forsee the power of the war mongers.

Nor did I forsee our own government and others happy to see us poisoned by Parquat. I couldn't imagine how many Americans would sell out other Americans so easily.

Mothers and babies shot out of the sky by our own government's orders and funds. Children shot in the back at close range by law enforcement.

The ghillie suited snipers. Bombs thrown in people's windows. Armed, black masked, robo-cops breaking into people's homes.

People demonized, killed, and inmprisoned. I didn't forsee people getting so rich off drug prohibition. I didn't forsee the depth of the hatred and intolerance. I thought we were better people. A greater percentage of our population in prison than any country in the world. The Constitution being "just a piece of paper".

It's almost funny that we were just worried about the tobacco companies buying up the names Acapulco Gold and Panama Red.

If it wasn't such a horror...it would almost be funny.

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Comment #22 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 14:01:43 PT
Neil Young & Willie Nelson - Working Cowboys
I like this country song.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6O2ZVEz0XQw

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Comment #21 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on August 20, 2006 at 13:52:12 PT
Good country artists
I'm not a huge country fan, but I do like Johnny Cash, Lyle Lovett and Todd Snider. Also some bluegrass pickin' like Flatt & Scruggs. Most of what's commonly called "country" these days should more accurately be called "southern pop".

Todd Snider's got a great line in one of his songs, I forget which one, it goes something like: "They don't care what drugs you're strung out on so much as WHOSE."

Check out some Todd Snider videos - if you haven't heard My Generation Part Two, it's as good place as any to start:

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Comment #20 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 13:46:14 PT
billos
That's right! LOL!

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Comment #19 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 13:45:27 PT
charmed quark
I wish I had known about medicinal marijuana back then. I was worried when they connected cocaine as a gateway drug. I didn't know any better. I quit for many years. The Reagan administration scared me too.

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Comment #18 posted by billos on August 20, 2006 at 13:44:37 PT
FoM
that's funny.....yet bittersweet for it's the truth. But hey, we'll die happy, right?

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Comment #17 posted by charmed quark on August 20, 2006 at 13:29:26 PT
Whig - cannabis and subculture
The counterculture actually started with the Beats in the 50s. Mostly fueled by wine. And many of the important thinkers of the 60s did not use any drugs that much.

But you're right, cannabis and probably LSD were a big part of the conciousness movement. But once you done them a few times, you don't need to keep doing them to keep expanding one's conciousness.

Many of us moved on to other things, mostly eastern meditation and yoga, and found that these were more effective without the addition of other conciousness agents. Basically, we were learning to do it from within, under our control, rather than use outside agents.



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Comment #16 posted by charmed quark on August 20, 2006 at 13:22:54 PT
medical cannabis in the 70s
It's true, I had no idea of its medical benefits back then. The condition I have now was just starting to be noticble then. Back then, it was just a minor nuisance. I had noticed how the symptoms would go away for a few days if I smoked pot but didn't really think much about it other than "pot makes everything better!"

Later on when my condition got severe, I didn't even remember that. I hadn't used cannabis for decades. When a doctor suggested I try cannabis, I actually laughed. There was no way gentle marijuana was going to help a condition as severe as mine. It wasn't until much later that I got desperate and gave it a try. After I discovered it really worked, I remembered my experience from the early 70s.

In the early 80s, I met several people who used pot medicinally. One was a cancer patient who said it helped him deal with his chemo. Another was a man who was nearly quadraplegic from a vehicle accident. He said it helped with the spasms and "phantom pain". The third was a guy with an untreatable parasitic infection that gave him ulcers that were destroying his stomach. He claimed that the pot was the only thing keeping him alive.

I was so ignorant then that I thought they were just using pot because the "high" made them feel a little better psychologically. "Not that there is anything wrong with that". LOLs. Now I know it is really good for all those things.

Like most, I was ignorant of the benefits shown in studies that had already been done. Too bad in my case. I lost a good decade because of my ignorance. To some degree, I'm still losing out, because I'm forced to use Marinol. A lot of the literature I've read indicates that CBD with THC would be dramatically more effective and with less side effects.

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Comment #15 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 13:18:03 PT
charmed quark
"I think the subculture from the late 60s and early 70s was fantastic and I really miss it. But that culture doesn't need marijuana or any other drug to exist. Pot was just the "secret handshake" of that culture."

I don't agree on this, but I wasn't around in the 60s so my opinion may be mistaken about then. I can definitely say that pot is not a secret handshake for me or people that I talk to here and elsewhere. It really does make a tremendous difference in the consciousness of the people who are partaking, and in the absence of this we cannot perceive certain things or discuss them as well. So if you take pot away from culture, you really do harm the culture. The reason there are so many wars and so much hatred and violence in the world today, I believe, is that cannabis has been taken away from the culture.

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Comment #14 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 13:04:02 PT
charmed quark
I understand what you are saying. It did seem like it was going to be a done deal. I think that the newness of marijuana in the 60s for so many no one thought about it as anything but a common ground. Medical marijuana is really new. We didn't know that it is medicinal just that everyone no matter what felt a little better and that's why they liked it. That is medicinal but it wasn't thought about that way.

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Comment #13 posted by global_warming on August 20, 2006 at 12:52:23 PT
800, 000 People
Every Year

Have Fallen

Away from Justice and Truth

Where do you stand?



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Comment #12 posted by charmed quark on August 20, 2006 at 12:48:05 PT
Tobacco companies
Back in the early 70s, when everybody thought cannabis was going to be legalized, it was rumored that a couple of the American tobacco companies were making legalization contingency plans for marketing the stuff. Had brand names and everything.

Well, at least that uncool outcome didn't occur.

However, as a medical user, I don't care if it gets made uncool and mainstream. I just don't want to get arrested and thrown in jail for being ill and trying to live as productive a life as I am capable of.

I think the subculture from the late 60s and early 70s was fantastic and I really miss it. But that culture doesn't need marijuana or any other drug to exist. Pot was just the "secret handshake" of that culture.

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Comment #11 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 12:36:43 PT
Fables, Fictions, and Reefer Madness
http://magic-city-news.com/article_6524.shtml

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Comment #10 posted by Dankhank on August 20, 2006 at 12:32:29 PT
agreed ...
I have enjoyed Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Wet Wellie, Elvin Bishop, Marshall Tucker, Charlie Daniels ... until Charlie changed the lyrics he sings re: "Long_Haired Country Boy"

He no longers sings "stoned in the morning"

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/daniels-charlie/long-haired-country-boy-10933.html

He was a rebel in his younger days ... now my 76 year old mom likes him for his annual Christmas show on CMT.

He sold out ...

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Comment #9 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 12:20:22 PT
Dankhank
There are a lot of different styles of country music. The popular genre now is whitebread and without a lick of soul. But there is also all the stuff from Emmylou Harris, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, so many others.

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Comment #8 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 11:55:33 PT
Dankhank
Oh boy. A pimple? Seriously I can't handle crying in my beer music. I like Neil Young's country but it doesn't have the same theme as most country music to me.

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Comment #7 posted by Dankhank on August 20, 2006 at 11:47:43 PT
country music
F*ck country music, the pimple on the ass of music ...

I know there are some good songs in that genre, but collectively, the genre generally supports all of the bullsh*t the government would have you believe.

I hope our local country station will pass, too.

As our kids were growing up I told them MY radios didn't even tune country, so don't even try ...

:-)

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Comment #6 posted by global_warming on August 20, 2006 at 10:56:36 PT
and if 'you are waiting
For Jusus to wipe your dirty body,

Ignorance and greed only lessens the the eye of the needle

As you pass to the frontier of justice and goodness

You and your soul must pass through this portal,

Be prepared, the hole is small,

Can you smell your place?

Can you see?



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Comment #5 posted by global_warming on August 20, 2006 at 10:42:16 PT
re: those 800,000 a year
You may not believe in ghosts,

but those millions of people who are living a life under the hand of the Ansingers and Nixons, exist in a world of such cruelity and ignorance.



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Comment #4 posted by whig on August 20, 2006 at 10:29:11 PT
Celaya
Too true. Cannabis festivals are a means to an end. People have fun though and they don't want to stop having fun. But like everything it will outlive its purpose and we will have other fun things to do.

Actually there will always be festivals but instead of a couple big ones in a small number of places there will be many smaller ones everywhere, just like there are state fairs everywhere.

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Comment #3 posted by Celaya on August 20, 2006 at 09:42:19 PT
Cannabis Consumer Luddites
It always peeves me no end to hear some complacent cannabis consumers complain about how legalization would destroy their little world.

As if the arrest of 800,000 people arrested each year were an insignficant price to pay for the little notch they've carved out for themselves. I guess there are some people who are nostaligic about alcohol prohibition and moonshine too.

I wish these folks would wake up and realize they are a dragging anchor on the ship of marijuana reform.



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Comment #2 posted by Had Enough on August 20, 2006 at 08:43:23 PT
Two Major Cities
L.A.'s Only Country Music Station Closes

Aug 18, 7:17 PM (ET)

By GILLIAN FLACCUS

LOS ANGELES (AP) - There is a tear in the beer of country music fans here. After more than 20 years on the air, the city's only country music station, KZLA-FM, abruptly left the air Thursday and was seamlessly replaced with the rhythmic pop of "Movin' 93.9," which plays artists such as Beyonce, Janet Jackson and Jennifer Lopez.

KZLA's sudden and unannounced demise leaves America's two most populous cities, Los Angeles and New York, without country music stations.

and…

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060818/D8JJ4KTG0.html

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Comment #1 posted by FoM on August 20, 2006 at 08:30:31 PT
Fast-Forward 20 Years
If it will take 20 more years then I will be using a walker and saying to my husband 'Hey Pa' it finally happened! Then 'Pa' says what happen? Hey who are you? LOL!

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