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  Marijuana Measure Falls Short for Fall Ballot
Posted by CN Staff on August 08, 2006 at 06:39:57 PT
By Anna Griffin 
Source: Oregon Live.com  

cannabis Oregon -- Talk about a buzz kill. Although they paid petition circulators $94,000, organizers of an effort to make marijuana crimes Portland's lowest law enforcement priority failed to gather enough signatures for the November ballot.

The city auditor's office ruled that the group calling itself Citizens for a Safer Portland turned in 31,623 John and Jane Hancocks -- more than the 26,691 they needed to qualify. But the city elections officer found that several hundred sheets, containing 4,449 signatures, were not properly dated and signed.

In the end, the city gave the group credit for just 27,174 signatures. So initiative organizers weren't surprised when a random sample showed too many of those were invalid, in most cases because the signers weren't registered voters.

Petition gatherers typically try to compile thousands more signatures than they need to weed out duplicates and people who aren't registered. Chris Iverson, one of the effort's organizers, says his campaign team collected more than 40,000 signatures. They weeded out some 3,000 duplicates and another 3,000 from people who signed but did not live in Portland.

The bigger problem was with all those discarded circulation sheets.

"The state rule says that if the signature on the circulation sheet doesn't match the signature in the voter registration database perfectly, they throw it out," he said. "A lot of the people gathering for us used shorthand or their initials, because they were doing so many of these sheets. It was obvious it was the same person -- we had W-4s and all kinds of legal documents to prove it -- but because the law is so exacting, we lost those signatures."

Iverson, who also ran for City Council earlier this year, says the law is unfair toward grassroots campaigns, which rely more on volunteers and newcomers to the petition business. But he says he now knows how to run a successful petition campaign.

"The next time, I won't make any mistakes," he said. "The way I see it, we got two-thirds of the way there. We're probably going to try again."

Supporters of the marijuana initiative say police officers should spend their time fighting serious and violent crimes, not marijuana-related ones. Ballot measure organizers raised $126,259 -- almost all of it from the Washington D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project.

Portland Police Bureau leaders have noted that marijuana already ranks low on their priority list.

Election - Improperly signed and dated petitions disqualify several thousand signatures.

Source: Oregon Live.com (OR)
Author: Anna Griffin, The Oregonian
Published: Tuesday, August 08, 2006
Copyright: 2006 Oregon Live LLC
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Comment #105 posted by global_warming on August 11, 2006 at 16:11:19 PT
Can it change?
"Eve of Destruction" The eastern world it tis explodin', violence flarin', bullets loadin', you're old enough to kill but not for votin', you don't believe in war, what's that gun you're totin', and even the Jordan river has bodies floatin', but you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say? Can't you see the fear that I'm feeling today? If the button is pushed, there's no running away, There'll be noone to save with the world in a grave, take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy, but you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin', I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin', I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation, handful of Senators don't pass legislation, and marches alone can't bring integration, when human respect is disintegratin', this whole crazy world is just too frustratin', and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China! Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama! Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space, but when you return, it's the same old place, the poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace, you can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace, hate your next-door-neighbour, but don't forget to say grace, and you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

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Comment #104 posted by global_warming on August 11, 2006 at 15:47:15 PT
reading the news
I just cannot understand, how this republican taliban can continue to think the way they do, how can they justify in mind and spirit, the locking up of children for using cannabis?

How can they justify in mind and spirit, the locking up of sick and dieing people?

This is a terrible thing that these people do, and it will come back and bite them in the ass.

Can these people take their paycheck to what awaits them beyond the grave?

You do believe in a grave?



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Comment #103 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 19:15:35 PT
Hope
Many from that era in music were what I call liberated Christians. Some went to Woodstock and smoked Cannabis and took LSD but they loved God. There often came from a Catholic background or Jewish background.

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Comment #102 posted by Hope on August 10, 2006 at 19:05:22 PT
Barry McGuire
I purchased his Cosmic Cowboy album in the late seventies at a Bible Bookstore.



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Comment #101 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 17:24:19 PT
A Beautiful Song
You can download a song that Scott McKensie recorded and it was written by John Phillips. It's called "We've Been Asking Questions" and is one of the last songs written by John Phillips before his death in 2001.

http://www.scottmckenzie.info/we'vebeenaskingquestions.wma

http://www.scottmckenzie.info/

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Comment #100 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 17:16:01 PT
One More Web Site
http://www.barrymcguire.com/

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Comment #99 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 17:13:29 PT
A Cool Link
John Sebastian sang a really cool song at Woodstock. I found his link off of Barry McGuire's web site. I guess old hippies are still doing what they sang about way back when.

http://www.johnbsebastian.com/

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Comment #98 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 16:55:39 PT
Global_Warming
You're so sweet. I love Eve of Destruction. I played it over and over on our Wurlitzer Juke Box we had in our cafeteria in high school. We sure are closer now then ever before. I'm not afraid at all. What's to be afraid about?

fomme over and out for now.

http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Music/Guire%20-%20Eve%20of%20destruction.mp3

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Comment #97 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 16:54:30 PT
that button
'we americans, can press the button,

there is 'one america,

there is so many prisoners of religion and faith

there is a freedom of america

come together

so that 'we can enjoy supper

together.



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Comment #96 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 16:41:35 PT
take a look around you, boy,
take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy, but you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

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Comment #95 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 16:24:40 PT
in that other meantime
i hope your good foot is resting on the root of goodness,

and may your good hand press,

the button of correctness,

it is was only one correct hand

that pressed the button

the button that changed this world

your hand



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Comment #94 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 16:07:36 PT
in that meantime
this world is crazy, insane, how can so many people be infected with this disease, this confusion?



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Comment #93 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 16:05:23 PT
in that mean time
Benjamin Michael Nauss, 20, of Spring, was charged with delivery of a controlled substance, a second-degree felony punishable by a sentence of 2-20 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. He was also charged with delivery of marijuana, possession of a prohibited weapon and money laundering, which are all third-degree felonies, punishable by a prison term of 2-10 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. Demetri Umar Singh, 24, of Conroe, was arrested at another location. Singh was charged with money laundering of an amount more than $20,000 and less than $100,000, a third-degree felony. At the same location, SIU arrested Celeste Rentiers-Broughton, also known as Celeste Kelly, 45, who was charged with possession of a controlled substance, a third-degree felony, and possession of marijuana, a class B misdemeanor punishable by a jail term of up to 180 days and a fine of up to $2,000. Broughton's brother, Johnny William Thompson, 43, and her son, Jason Miles Broughton, 18, were arrested and charged with possession of marijuana. According to SIU Lt. Philip Cash, the SIU began the day by executing a search warrant on West Stedhill Loop off of Texas 242, near The Woodlands. The resident, Demetri Singh, was not home, but entry was made and approximately 2 pounds of marijuana was seized, along with about 100 ecstasy or MDMA pills. By law, officers are required to leave a copy of the search warrant behind for the resident. Oddly enough, the same copy left at the West Stedhill Loop residence turned up later that evening at a residence on Overlake Drive off of Budde Road. "We were executing another search warrant around 6 p.m. when we ran into the owner of the residence on Stedhill who was found to be in possession of $1,000 cash in $100 increments divided with rubber bands," Cash said. "We also found a copy of the search warrant we executed earlier at his home in his possession." Using rubber bands to divide money in increments of $100 is common among drug dealers, he said. That factor, coupled with what was allegedly found in Singh's home and information SIU received regarding drug trafficking led to the money laundering charges. Singh's wife and newborn baby were also present, Cash said. "That information was forwarded to the District Attorney's office," he said. The Overlake Drive home was searched and the owner, Celeste Rentiers-Broughton, was arrested along with her brother and her teenage son. "Marijuana was found in every bedroom and a small amount of cocaine was also found in one of the bedrooms," Cash said. In addition to Singh's wife and child, two others who were present were checked and released, Cash said. After the search of Singh's home and before the search warrant was executed at the Overlake Drive residence, Benjamin Michael Nauss was arrested during an alleged parking lot drug sale. Cash said the arrest occurred around 4:50 p.m. near the intersection of Budde Road and Sawdust Road. "He delivered approximately two ounces of cocaine and less than four ounces of marijuana," Cash said.

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Comment #92 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 16:00:33 PT
sister just called
aug 22, and some arab islamic end of the world, i asked her, does she have any religion, she has a lot of religion, she is frightened, yet she presses the same button of confusion and greed.



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Comment #91 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 15:44:46 PT
are we getting closer?
Recorded by "Barry McGuire" Written by "P.F. Sloan" Album: "Eve of Destruction" The eastern world it tis explodin', violence flarin', bullets loadin', you're old enough to kill but not for votin', you don't believe in war, what's that gun you're totin', and even the Jordan river has bodies floatin', but you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say? Can't you see the fear that I'm feeling today? If the button is pushed, there's no running away, There'll be noone to save with the world in a grave, take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy, but you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin', I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin', I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation, handful of Senators don't pass legislation, and marches alone can't bring integration, when human respect is disintegratin', this whole crazy world is just too frustratin', and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China! Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama! Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space, but when you return, it's the same old place, the poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace, you can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace, hate your next-door-neighbour, but don't forget to say grace, and you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend, ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

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Comment #90 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 15:35:40 PT
did you have a vision fomme
did you catch a glimpse of that tunnel of Light?

Here and in that afterlife, I cannot imagine how 'we are going to reconcile all the injustice, all the indifference, I am saying it is good that you fomme are here with us, may you fomme find the best way to Eternity, in the meantime, the drums of cannabis prohibition beat louder and louder.



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Comment #89 posted by Hope on August 10, 2006 at 11:50:48 PT
comment 87
Well, dang!

Put's an electrical shock in a whole different...and wild light. I think I'd prefer to stick with viewing it in the not so wild light.

:0)

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Comment #88 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 11:04:12 PT
afterburner
I never thought of it that way. That's interesting.

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Comment #87 posted by afterburner on August 10, 2006 at 10:56:15 PT
FoM #62
Diamond Light. Newsletter of the Aquarian Age Community. Initiation and the Mystery of Electricity. http://www.aquaac.org/dl/00nl3art2.html

"The scientific application of the laws of electricity to the totality of existence on the physical plane will bring about a revolution upon the planet second only to that effected at the time of individualisation." --A Treatise on Cosmic Fire by Alice A. Bailey, p. 714 http://www.lucistrust.org/lucispub/24books/cosmic.shtml

"Sometimes a physical accident, such as being struck by lightning or nearly killed by an animal is considered a message from the spirits demanding future shaman's acceptance of the call." --The Mad Magickian's Journal - by Creatue of Legend http://my.opera.com/The_Creature/blog/index.dml/tag/shamanism

Some tribal cultures even sent initiates into caves lined with metallic rocks in order to experience the lightning initiation. I have long held the an early electrical accident predisposed my brother toward engineering.

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Comment #86 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 09:17:27 PT
Whig
All I can say is God Bless Cindy Sheehan. She will be remembered in history as one woman on a mission just like Rosa Parks.

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Comment #85 posted by FoM on August 10, 2006 at 09:15:18 PT
Hope
Thanks Hope. It sure was an eye opening experience. I have a new hair-do. It looks like an afro! Just kidding. LOL!

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Comment #84 posted by Hope on August 10, 2006 at 09:11:35 PT
comment 62
Oh my gosh!

I'm so thankful you are alright!



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Comment #83 posted by global_warming on August 10, 2006 at 02:38:45 PT
Sept 12
New York and the September 12 primary between Hillary Clinton and her anti-war and pro-labor challenger Jonathan Tasini.

http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/

it's coming, say bye bye Hillary..

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Comment #82 posted by whig on August 10, 2006 at 01:38:09 PT
Another OT: Cindy Sheehan
Somebody was saying on another board that Cindy Sheehan is the modern Martin Luther King, Jr. She's the one who is going to the wall for peace. She is so strong and so good, and I just wanted to say that.

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Comment #81 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 23:32:23 PT
OT: Lieberman
Juan Cole had a really insightful point about the consequence of Lieberman losing to Lamont in Connecticut's primary. Other Democrats can now oppose the war openly without having to fear that Lieberman's pro-war pro-Bush sanctimoniousness thrown in their face to respond to by interviewers. In fact by being such a bad sport about losing, Joe is helping them be even dismissive of himself.

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Comment #80 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 22:01:42 PT
Toker00
The nice thing about NO FORCING is that we can disagree about what the final outcome will be and how it will be best to achieve it, because everything we are doing whether the same or different is voluntary and it's just a matter of persuading one another by peaceful means.

I think the socialist revolution idea has problems and I could explain them in detail to you but I don't think CNews is the place for me to write long articles about political economy. But the bottom line is we are still on the same side that the current circumstance needs to be replaced and it has to be based on love and peace, not war.

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Comment #79 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 21:58:39 PT
Toker00
I don't like foreign ownership of our country. The Indiana toll road has been sold to foreign investors. I thought it was suppose to be ours after it was paid off. I'm glad you didn't mean people who want to own a home. The link I posted again didn't work. It seems like you can't copy a link from that web site. Sorry about that.

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Comment #78 posted by Toker00 on August 09, 2006 at 21:52:37 PT
No forcing.
No, FoM. All Workers keep what they own. I mean Corporate or Foreign owned assets in America would become the Wealth of the Nation, not owned by a handful of Fascists, and NO foreign ownership of ANY American Land, corporation, or Natural Resources. It would give incentive for ALL Nations to become self sufficient, and All Workers to keep working to keep sharing the wealth, and creating great Nations which care for each other. There will be nations not capable of being self-sufficient, and will need to barter with Nations with excess. Spread the EXCESS and there will be no NEED. Share and there will be no shortage.

Whig, when the alternative to this new hoped-for society is "nucular-fishin'", I don't see much FORCING society to change. I think we all see the need for it. Designing that change may have to be done in place. Oil shortages will rack this nation like no one suspects. We will be forced to change, like it or not. Kinda strange thinking we will be forced to Love one another and get along or die. It's been our only choice all along, we just haven't been called on it yet. But it's comin'...

Toke.

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Comment #77 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 21:50:12 PT
Whig
I know that some people need to live in a city but with the Internet people can work from home sometimes. I know people from back in eastern PA that commute to New York to work. It really depends on if a person likes city life or country life. I know two Doctors that moved from the east coast and took a pay cut but have so much more then they had back in New York and Philadelphia.

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Comment #76 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 21:46:22 PT
The One Link Didn't Work
Maybe this one will.

http://realestate.msn.com/improve/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=353659>1=8278

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Comment #75 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 21:45:53 PT
FoM
We had a mortgage in Pennsylvania but out here we couldn't afford a downpayment. It's a lot more expensive to live in the places where a lot of other people live. But to live out in the country isn't an option for a lot of people, who don't have cars either and depend on a job in the city.

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Comment #74 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 21:42:46 PT
Picture Under Construction
http://gallery.marihemp.com/Just-Our-Life/July_19_2006_016

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Comment #73 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 21:38:08 PT
Whig
That sounds like a good reason to try to own your own home. I have been reading on home ownership since we started talking about it. These links are interesting. I also read about smaller houses being popular. That was the way we always thought about a house when we started. Who needs a big house when a smaller one does fine.

http://ask.yahoo.com/20060314.html

http://realestate.msn.com/improve/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=353659>1=8278

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Comment #72 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 21:30:43 PT
Knowing landlords
And I don't mean good ones but there are a lot of bad ones out there and they do what they can get away with. I know it happens and it probably goes something like this. The woman who is on a very poor income if any to begin with falls behind in her rent, she can't make it by the end of the month, whatever. She has to tell the landlord she'll be late, and he gives her an offer she can't refuse -- or at least it can be impossible for her to refuse especially if she has dependents and she can't allow her refusal to put them all out on the street.

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Comment #71 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 21:27:14 PT
FoM
If you want to know how bad the housing problem is, take a look at this: http://tinyurl.com/f9xv6

Poor women are being sexually abused by their landlords, because they can be evicted if they don't comply and do what he wants them to do. And if they want to complain it's their word against his. It's a huge problem according to this article and it sure sounds like it to me.

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Comment #70 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 20:56:32 PT
Toker00
You go a lot further than I would, and I don't agree with the idea of forcing a change on society. I think the changes that need to come will be done voluntarily or else I won't support those changes.

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Comment #69 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 20:08:55 PT
Toker00
You wouldn't want to make me give up my home would you? This house we built as humble as it is is the most important thing to my husband and myself. If we have health problems in the future we will be able to sell it and get by better then if we had rented our whole life. Why would people work hard if there wasn't some dream to keep them going? That sounds like communism to me where no one can work hard and have a dream come true.

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Comment #68 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 19:59:54 PT
Whig
We paid off our house. Now we have a loan again because of the work we are doing on it but we were free and clear.

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Comment #67 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 19:57:00 PT
Whig
We didn't have a down payment. That's what is so good about FHA. We had to put down $250 for settlement costs and pay $75 a month. As my husband's income went up the highest it would go was $138 a month. We never would have been able to own our own home without FHA. It is for people who don't have much money.

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Comment #66 posted by Toker00 on August 09, 2006 at 19:56:22 PT
whig, I do
want to know your ideas. I agree with the land thought. Immediately on take over, all land and property except immediate personal property would become the Nations. All foreign investments and ownership of American land would be forfeit and ownership returned to the Nation's Common Wealth. There would be no need for "Welfare" because all would be payed or credited in some way EQUALY for their Work. Those proven to be unfit to hold physically demanding work, would be directed to, or create an area of "work" suitable to that person. Basically, what you are doing now is what you will be doing then, until some method of choice is made available to you for change in the future. All corporations would force their CEO's to adjust their outrageous incomes to only a percentage above those who actually do the work. Any excess corporate profit would be funneled to the Nations Common Wealth. All health care for All Americans would be paid for out of these funds. If we spread the EXCESS equally, there will be no NEED. If all nations do this simultaneously, they would have instant sovereignty, with no need to fight for what you can no longer own in a foreign Nation. For our need of what others have, we would have to barter, not buy. I may be jumping in and out of communism and Marxism and other previously failed governments with these ideas. But what worked before, won't work again.

Peace. Toke.

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Comment #65 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 19:45:15 PT
FoM
Not a lot of people even have a downpayment for a house saved up, and in a lot of places rents are too high to save much of anything. Unless you are very fortunate most people don't wind up owning a home mortgage-free in their lifetime.

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Comment #64 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 19:33:34 PT
Whig
I know how we bought our first house and it was an FHA home and that gave us a starting point. After 7 years we were able to sell it and take the profit and buy our land and then build. I don't understand why more people don't do it that way. Maybe I don't understand outside of how we did it.

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Comment #63 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 19:28:24 PT
Toker00
If you wanna know my ideas, the land tenure system is what most needs to be reformed. The fact that a small number of wealthy families control most of the valuable land in the world, and in the US. Not to mention that foreign investors own a sizeable chunk in some places. We end up that we're paying rent to live in our own birthplace, to someone else who never had to work a day in his or her life but inherited title to the land. That is what happened in old Europe and that is what the American colonists were running away from when they settled here, but then they recreated the same system over here and it just ends up being the same problem again, just with new owners. We can't keep building the same damn thing over and over and expect it to work better this time. We have to build better. We have to share the land rent and let people live where they can support themselves without going into debt.

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Comment #62 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 19:09:32 PT
Hope
I said early in comment #50 that I probably wouldn't survive a taser. Maybe I would. This afternoon I was shutting a window and because we are remodeling we have some exposed wires. I didn't know it was hot and I leaned against it. It was 220 volts and really hurt. I was a little bit dazed and confused but that might just be natural. It burned my leg but guess what! I'm still here! LOL!

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Comment #61 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 18:44:15 PT
Another Question
Does anyone know if any country that says it is democratic in some degree or another have unlimited wealth for corporations or even individuals? Isn't there some point when too much money in one person's hands is really going overboard?

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Comment #60 posted by Toker00 on August 09, 2006 at 18:39:35 PT
Exactly, whig!
A new system completely. No connection to the old way of "governing", and that IS what they call it. That is why I emphasize the Workers. The Energy that has run this system for so long, and so hard, and been put up so wet and cold by these Industrial Slave owners now selling to foreigners what our, THE WORKERS, and our ancestors have built for so little long term compensation. Workers include police and military, which both would be completely reformed, but not politicians, unless they have a proven voting record and background as standing for Truth, Humanity, and Compassion. The Intelligence Agencies would have to remain, but purged of any and all who knowingly participated in acts of terrorism against ANY people of the world since 1900. All we need for the new EXISTENCE is the infrastructure which already exists, and guess who know how to maintain and repair these infrastructures? That's right! US! All violent Religions would have to learn their way doesn't work anymore. Besides, if either side in these so called Holy Wars obeyed their GOD, they would be laid back, tokin', loving this creation we have been GIVEN just like we do, and not warring at all, so where does the Holy fit into these Holy Wars? All wars must end. NO exceptions. Then our "Reformed" military would be phased out as the other nations phase out theirs, the sooner, the better.

One other thing. The Elite would no longer exist. Their wealth, worthless if the workers refuse to build or maintain it, the police refuse to enforce lies for it, and the military refuse to bomb for it, would slowly be absorbed at their death through a fund which transfers their wealth not to their families, but to the Fund For Humanity, which we will all contribute to, and benefit from, according to our Talents, and our Work, which we will be free to expand on in a natural, not rushed or stressed, pace.

Peace, bro. Toke.



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Comment #59 posted by whig on August 09, 2006 at 17:48:01 PT
Toker00
I'd rather we build a different kind of system and not just try to take over the one we have today. The problems with the current system are structural, built in from the foundation. Not that it was a bad system when it was constructed, it could have been better perhaps but it needed a lot of compromises to make it work at all, or people wouldn't have agreed and there would have been war between the states just as soon as the secession from England was accomplished. So the founders built in things like slavery and 3/5 rules and a lot of other things that we've been gradually trying to address socially and otherwise to end. But there is still racism and a slave owning mentality present in the corporate power structure.

I can't stress enough how great I think the CAN project is and the importance of festivals like this (Wonders of Cannabis) everywhere, to build a network of people who care about things that you do and that want to build a better world together. Not through war but through love.

If cannabis is free then the people will be free because we will demand freedom and we will understand what it means to be free. We will not be satisfied to be given scraps and told to accept them. We will not end with a system that perpetuates slavery or starvation for anyone. We will not win by replacing the old boss with a new boss, but with the ending of the system of bosses itself.

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Comment #58 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 16:16:02 PT
Toker00
I understand what you are saying. That is why if we look back over the centuries the poor and oppressed have risen up and revolted and then things change. No matter how peaceful its intentions violence will occur. I think of how Rosa Parks just refused to listen and go to the back of the bus and all the things that happened because of her simple I don't want to do it anymore protest. Neil said before he sang Ohio at one of the concerts on this tour something like Thank God there isn't a draft because I don't want to have to write another song like Ohio. There were no guns on that fateful day just unarmed students. I think the voting of Lieberman out was the beginning of a miny revolution using politics as the means of protest. These really are the worst and best of times. We will see the separation of the good from the bad very clearly I think.

http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Music/CSNY%20-%20Ohio.Mp3

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Comment #57 posted by global_warming on August 09, 2006 at 15:53:16 PT
Hey Toker-oo
I Love You, and embrace you,

That was the most powerful and straightforward words I have ever found in print or on this digital frame.

These terrible times are changing, there is a new baby, that is being born.

Thanks

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Comment #56 posted by Toker00 on August 09, 2006 at 15:38:15 PT
RZ, all
Want to know which party we should vote for? Stay tuned. There will come a day when we, as a nation of workers, will take the Tyrannical State down. At that time, we will install OUR people in positions of power. That means that every politician in office today, from the Selectident we have now, to the mayor of America's smallest town, regardless of Party, WILL BE REPLACED BY REPRESENTATIVES OF THE WORKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA, if they don't represent us now. Now, in order for that to happen, the people must be massively on the same page, at the same time. Right now, there are too many factions, pulling in too many different directions, for any of this to be co-ordinated. I could set here and tell you how to form a revolution, or you can read it in a book, but either way, and we all know this, revolution is the only way to change a tyrannical government. Every revolution has a certain amount of violence. That is a given. And in a peaceful revolution, which ours must SURELY be, innocent lives will be lost, injuries will occur, and a certain amount of chaos will prevail.

Face it. We are the AMERICAN PEOPLE. The world (And God too, if you please) has judged us and will continue to judge us, according to the actions of the "Leaders" we put in office. We, The People, now know we have corrupt leaders, corrupt agencies, corrupt Industries, and a corrupt method of our votes being counted, or not. Just the way a Tyrannical government likes it. They will not change it, so who does that leave it up too? In the mirror is your answer. In the mirror is your courage, your honor, your answer.

MASSIVE SOCIAL UPRISING. Do not be afraid to say it, do not be afraid think it. It has happened in this country before, and of necessity, it will happen again. The people need no leaders. When left the F**k alone, we tend to get along quite well. It is when we allow an outside influence to divide us, that we become conquerable. In this case, the outside force is the INSIDE JOB. The coup, 2000.

I opened two more Workers eyes today. Whether they saw what I showed them or not, I can't declare. But I shined two double ought barrels of truth into their eyes and ears. They looked absolutely stunned. Be very careful when you witness truth, your witnessee may not be accepting it at the moment. I'll know as time goes by what the truth has done to these two. But I know I forced them to THINK.

Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!

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Comment #55 posted by global_warming on August 09, 2006 at 15:04:40 PT
re: comment 54
I think 'we have bigger problems, were it not for colonialism, which is commonly known by its true colors of capitalism, which is also known as a scourge, the game is to collect the most properties, control all the resources that Life Needs, and this somehow is transformed into a citizen who is closer to God, and his Will.

Surely RZ, can you blame Mexicans for this problem, can you blame some poor person for finding a way to get bread and salt?



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Comment #54 posted by Richard Zuckerman on August 09, 2006 at 13:25:27 PT:

NO MORE TAX AND SPEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been residing in The State Of New Jersey for the past several months, unfortunately. This is the State with the HIGHEST PROPERTY TAXES! Governor Jon Corzine and some Commission are trying to figure out how to solve this problem of property taxes. They have not responded to my requests to legalize, regulate, and tax "Marijuana", www.prohibitioncosts.org. Recently, an article appeared on www.thenewamerican.com about the plans of Rockefeller and the other anti-Americans to build a NAFTA SUPER HIGHWAY, from Mexico, thru the U.S.A., thru Canada, at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, with illegal immigration to be unchecked, with emminent domain of many people's properties and even higher property taxes!!!!!!!! WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE NAFTA SUPER HIGHWAYS, PEOPLE????!!!!!!!!! YOU, YOUR PARENTS, AND I!!!!!!!! MOSTLY BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR "THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS" DEMOCRATS, BELIEVING THEY ARE BETTER THAN REPUBLICANS!!!! RECENTLY, AT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION, CONGRESSMAN FRANK PALLONE, JR., ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT IMMIGRATION IN SUPPORT OF GIVING AMNESTY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT BRINGING IN MILLIONS MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WILL DO TO THE ECONOMY AND ENVIRONMENT OF THIS COUNTRY AND YOU PEOPLE??!!! THE IMMIGRATION WATCHDOG,WWW.IMMIGRATIONWATCHDOG.COM, HAS RECENTLY CONCLUDED THAT A MEMBER OF THE ANTI-AMERICAN RACIST HATE GROUP MEChA IS A MASS MURDERER WITH TIES TO THE ANTI-AMERICAN LOS ANGELES CHARTERSCHOOL "ACADEMIA SEMILLAS DEL PUEBLO." WWW.IMMIGRATIONWATCHDOG.COM/?p=1669. CONGRESSMAN TOM TANCREDO RECENTLY WROTE A BOOK ENTITLED "IN MORTAL DANGER", CUMBERLAND HOUSE PUBLISHING, C. 2006, 224 PAGES, AOBS-STORE.COM, ABOUT THIS IMMIGRATION PROBLEM CAUSING US TO FACE THE RUINATION OF THIS COUNTRY. ALL OF THIS BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE CONTINUE TO REFUSE TO VOTE FOR SMALL GOVERNMENT SUCH AS LIBERTARIAN PARTY CANDIDATES ON ELECTION DAY!!! I ONLY VOTE FOR LIBERTARIAN PARTY, RALPH NADER, AND, WITH MUCH TREPIDATION, SINCE MITCHEL COHEN ANNOUNCED OVER A YEAR AGO THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE INFILTRATED THE GREEN PARTY, GREEN PARTY CANDIDATES!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Paul Zuckerman, (Cell phone)(848) 250-8879.

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Comment #53 posted by afterburner on August 09, 2006 at 12:21:26 PT
whig - Peaceful Warrior: The Book Becomes Movie
Way of the Peaceful Warrior. Dan Millman Presents The Peaceful Warrior's Way, Personal site for this author offering seminar schedules, products, consultations and general information ... http://www.danmillman.com/

Amazon.com: Way of the Peaceful Warrior: A Book That Changes Lives ...From there, the unpredictable Socrates proceeded to teach Millman the "way of the peaceful warrior." At first Socrates shattered every preconceived notion ... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915811006/002-3735235-1388839?v=glance&n=283155

This book, Way of the Peaceful Warrior: A Book That Changes Lives by Dan Millman, describes a journey of self-discovery guided by a gas-station attendant, Socrates. It is a way of non-violence.

Also, Tai Chi and Kung Fu are meditations in action. They are meant for self-defense, not aggressive offensive attack. Tai Chi uses no weapons except the limbs of the human body. Tai Chi is a slow rhythmic activity which can prepare the body when attacked to respond by ducking and blocking blows and kicks.

Kung Fu does use some simple weapons, like a staff, in training and, if necessary, in self-defense. Kung Fu does not use guns or any explosive devices. Being ready to defend a temple or a village is part of the role of a peaceful warrior in the Taoist faith.

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Comment #52 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 12:18:54 PT
*smile*
You made me smile, too.

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Comment #51 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 11:37:39 PT
whig
Being a warrior doesn't mean being violent. I hope I am considered a warrior but I would do my warrioring by putting flowers in the gun. I just made myself smile! LOL!

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Comment #50 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 11:08:15 PT
Hope
Yes they sure did it again. I was upset when I read it. I don't know how those taser guns are allowed to be used. If I was tasered it would kill me I think.

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Comment #49 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 11:02:36 PT
It was something about being upset.
Really upset.

No doubt.

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Comment #48 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 11:01:57 PT
Don't ask me how I did that!
I don't have a clue.

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Comment #47 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 11:01:05 PT
Vomment 37 OH! NO!
Not again! Not another one!



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Comment #46 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 11:00:39 PT
comment 37 OH! NO!
Not again! Not another one!



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Comment #45 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 11:00:38 PT
comment 37 OH! NO!
Not again! Not another one!



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Comment #44 posted by Hope on August 09, 2006 at 11:00:37 PT
comment 37 OH! NO!
Not again! Not another one!



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Comment #43 posted by afterburner on August 09, 2006 at 09:39:33 PT
mayan #39
RE "psychotic symptoms"

Has no one in Great Britain / United Kingdom ever heard of imagination? If Robert Lewis Stevenson, J. R. R. Tolkien, Percy Bysshe Shelly and Mary Shelley, C. S. Lewis, or Lewis Carroll were still alive and writing today, they would, no doubt, be denounced as psychotic! Has merry old England completely forgotten its literary history?

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Comment #42 posted by Max Flowers on August 09, 2006 at 09:18:15 PT
TIME piece
The closing sentence is the best:

They (Republicans) didn't see the Joe train wreck coming and they're not ready for what's coming next either.



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Comment #41 posted by FoM on August 09, 2006 at 07:45:39 PT
Mayan
I thought it was interesting about how they want to do that with the National Guard. In less then 6 years all this has happened. It really is sad but amazing. Never doubt the neo-cons and their purpose.

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Comment #40 posted by global_warming on August 09, 2006 at 07:36:19 PT
So long Joe
Don't let the door hit you in the..

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1224552,00.html

From the article above, it looks like it's going to be an interesting November.



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Comment #39 posted by mayan on August 09, 2006 at 06:44:29 PT
Misc.
Increase in psychotic symptoms predicts relapse to cannabis use: http://www.rxpgnews.com/research/psychiatry/substancemisuse/cannabis/article_4805.shtml

Local pot laws stink: http://www.folsomtelegraph.com/articles/2006/08/09/opinion/editorials/01pot.txt

Give kids the straight dope: http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2006/08/09/Opinion/Give-Kids.The.Straight.Dope-2191844.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

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Comment #38 posted by mayan on August 09, 2006 at 05:17:21 PT
The Writing Is On The Wall
Now Lieberman will run as an "independent" even after the folks of Connecticut have given him the boot in the primary! There is nothing independent about him as you can practically see the strings pulling that neo-con,war-mongering puppet!

The more I think about it the more I believe Lieberman will siphon more votes from the republican candidate,Alan Schlesinger, than from Lamont. But watch and see if the mainstream media goes on and on about how Lieberman will siphon Lamont's vote. That could be indicative of a ploy to keep the polls close until election time when the neo-cons and Diebold can work their magic. That strategy has worked for them before.

FoM, that's very interesting about Bush wanting control over the National Guard in "emergencies". Imho, the neo-cons now see the writing on the wall with Lieberman going down in the primary. If they lose power there will be so many investigations it will make Bush's impeached head spin! Their backs are truly against the wall and they will do whatever they must to maintain power and advance the PNAC agenda. With awareness of the 9/11 inside job spreading like wildfire, another terror attack won't go over to well with the masses so the neo-cons want to make sure the National Guard is on their federal leash. It's too late though. I know several folks in the National Guard and they say pretty much everyone they serve with already knows about 9/11 anyway and they want the Bush regime out as soon as possible!

What is Bush Preparing For? http://tinyurl.com/mbus2

Long Live DRG...

David Ray Griffin on Guns and Butter - TODAY - 1PM Pacific: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/08/david-ray-griffin-on-guns-and-butter.html

Presbyterian Church publishes 9/11 conspiracy theory: http://story.malaysiasun.com/p.x/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/7cca827f00576d2a/

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Comment #37 posted by Christen-Mitchell on August 08, 2006 at 23:32:28 PT:

Prohibition Kills Again
On the evening of Friday, August 4, a 22-year-old Boulder-area man suspected of growing marijuana was killed by the Taser of a Lafayette police officer following an investigation by the Lafayette Police Department in conjunction with the Boulder County Drug Task Force.

Family members of the man, Ryan Michael Wilson, are rightfully upset by what they believe to be law enforcement's excessive use of force in detaining the 132-pound man who they say "could never hurt anyone." They clearly do not think the 11 small plants he was allegedly growing in a field warranted such treatment by police, and we could not agree more.

Yesterday, SAFER released the following statement:

We are saddened by the tragic death of Ryan Wilson. While many of the facts of this situation remain unknown, it appears as if a young man was killed because he was allegedly growing a few marijuana plants in a field. This use of lethal force -- regardless of whether it was supposed to be "non-lethal" or "less-lethal" -- was in response to the possibility that he was growing a non-lethal plant, and it is utterly unacceptable.

No act could more clearly illustrate the failure the marijuana policies in this state and in this nation. We arrest, prosecute, jail, and sometimes even kill people for using or possessing a substance that is inarguably less harmful than alcohol. This would be an irrational policy even in a nation where alcohol was illegal. But in a society where we tolerate and even celebrate the use of alcohol, it is simply absurd.

We did not know Ryan, and we do not necessarily know all the circumstances surrounding the incident this past weekend. But we do know the government's war against marijuana is responsible. We send our best wishes to Ryan's family and friends, and we will continue to fight to end marijuana prohibition and such preventable tragedies under the guise of protecting people.



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Comment #36 posted by Christen-Mitchell on August 08, 2006 at 23:28:43 PT:

Third State To Run Marijuana Initiative This Fall
From KMGH ABC 7:

Voters Will Likely Decide Whether To Legalize Pot Statewide

DENVER -- Voters could be deciding on whether to legalize marijuana statewide this fall.

Members of the group Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation dropped off 129,000 signatures at the Secretary of State's office Monday morning. The signatures of 68,000 registered Colorado voters have to be verified before the measure can be placed on the ballot.

"The fact that we collected nearly twice as many signatures as are required under statute highlights the widespread support for ending the madness of marijuana prohibition in Colorado," said SAFER Campaign Director Mason Tvert.

The measure, if approved by voters, would make possession of one ounce of marijuana legal in Colorado for those 21 or older.

SAFER helped get a similar measure on last fall's ballot that made the same amount of marijuana legal in Denver. Initiative 100 was approved by a majority of Denver voters and made the city the first in the country to vote to remove all penalties for private adult marijuana possession.

However, state authorities had said Denver's Initiative-100 was virtually meaningless because of state and federal laws that make even small amounts of marijuana illegal.

Tvert said even though Denver voters had expressed their opinion that a small pinch of pot should be legal, people were still being arrested and prosecuted under state law and he wants that to stop.

The statewide proposal would get rid of the state's prohibition of marijuana and allow cities to make the rules about pot use.

"Last year's victory in Denver clearly demonstrated the support we're receiving in the state Capitol," Tvert said. "But tens of thousands of signatures poured in from Colorado Springs, Grand Junction and other areas of the state outside the Front Range. This just goes to show that regardless of Colorado citizens' political persuasions, many agree that punishing adults for using a substance less harmful than alcohol is an absurd waste of time, money and life."

The state's attorney general, John Suthers, does not buy the argument that pot is safer. He and the governor feel the measure would be defeated in the fall. Colorado House Speaker Andrew Romanoff -- a Denver Democrat -- opposes changing the state law. He thinks drug use in the state is already too high and said the matter would wind up in the courts.

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Comment #35 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on August 08, 2006 at 23:28:29 PT
Who says voting doesn't work?
Well, I did say the Democratic (and Republican) Party was too corrupt to be changed from within.

If this is a small piece of crow, I hope to be eating larger portions in the future.

I just hope those big piles of cash don't corrupt Lamont too much.

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Comment #34 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 21:38:45 PT
Off Topic: States Rights
Bush v. Federalism (Again) - Expanding Presidential Power Over the National Guard

http://volokh.com/posts/1155016617.shtml

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Comment #33 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 20:22:32 PT
Max Flowers
Lord knows how much we and the world needed this to happen. That kiss that Bush gave Lieberman was a kiss of political death when you think about it.

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Comment #32 posted by Max Flowers on August 08, 2006 at 20:17:04 PT
Lieberman concedes
I told you guys he was going down. Good riddance, you Bush-brown-nosing, fake democrat war loving chickenhawk!

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Comment #31 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 20:11:02 PT
New Videos on Living With War Today
http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwvideos/families_wm.html

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

Museman you are in the top rated songs now! Way to go.

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Comment #30 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 19:25:23 PT
Another Thing That Annoys Me
My husband had to drive a few miles to a Grange to vote until Bush got himself in as President. Now we have to vote in a Mennonite Church. I have nothing against religion but I don't want to have to go into a Church like I'm entering a Sunday evening service when I want to vote. Thank you Mr. Blackwell. I get very upset when the fundamentalist christians push republicans.

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Comment #29 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 19:19:29 PT
Well Oops Bye Bye Bob Ney!
LOL!

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Comment #28 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 19:17:59 PT
FoM
It's funny how we talk about what's going on in Connecticut and then I realized that you're right where things are happening too, with Bob Ney resigning and now the replacement GOP candidate is being challenged for ineligibility.

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Comment #27 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 19:06:14 PT
Whig
War is immoral so we can expect our troops to become as bad as the enemy they are told to fight. War makes good people bad and nasty and cruel.

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Comment #26 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 19:03:32 PT
Correction
Article says: Iraqi cough syrup. So that might not be DXM. Could be Codeine. Dunno.

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Comment #25 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 19:03:31 PT
Whig
I honestly don't know how anyone can think war is good. I hope you are right. Lieberman is really a Republican in my eyes. I work very hard to not let hate come into my heart but it is getting harder and harder everyday.

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Comment #24 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 19:02:43 PT
OT: Rape platoon abused cough syrup (DXM)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2304447,00.html

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Comment #23 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 19:00:54 PT
Whig
I don't like it being that close. If Lieberman wins I don't know how anti-war people will gain any forward movement.

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Comment #22 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 18:59:40 PT
Call
Okay, I'm "officially" calling for Lamont to win, now.

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Comment #21 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 18:48:45 PT
FoM
Still tightening, it's a 3 point spread now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they claim Lieberman wins by some handful of votes and then refuse to recount.

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Comment #20 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 18:46:32 PT
FoM
With 56.55% of precincts in, Lamont 52.17% to Lieberman 47.83%. If you want to keep track, here's a pretty good feed: http://tinyurl.com/o5z95

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Comment #19 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 18:36:04 PT
mayan
Thanks, but I don't consider myself a warrior. I try to make peace where I can, and the most aggressive I may ever get is verbally.

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Comment #18 posted by mayan on August 08, 2006 at 18:17:17 PT
Misc...
Since 1996, ballot measures have made this movement a force to be reckoned with. The ptb now realize that if medical cannabis or "lowest priority" intitiatives get on the ballot they will certainly pass and that is why they now try to nip them in the bud. It's alright, though. Little defeats like this one in Oregon open even more eyes and give us more fire and determination!

A day off on election day? That would mean more people voting and fewer crooked republicans/Liebermans getting elected. The establishment wants folks that they can buy to get elected.

Whig, thanks for all you do. We can't lose with warriors like you.

FoM, I don't think you should have to vote in a private church. Talk about blurring the boundary between church and state! I vote in a public school. Why can't we vote in the local head-shop? lol! And FoM, every country already hates us!

Regarding Lieberman, I thought it was very strange how his 13 pt. deficit shrunk to 7 pts. in the last week. Is the fix in? Let's hope not!

THE WAY OUT...

Message to Anti-War Groups: 9/11 Truth is Coming: http://tinyurl.com/hjfwa

9/11 Action Invitation: 9-11 Activists to Raise Unanswered Questions at Theaters on August 9th: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060806214535861

New Oliver Stone 9/11 Film Introduces 'Single Plane' Theory: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51367

9/11 Courage: http://www.911courage.org/

Journal of 9/11 Studies: http://www.journalof911studies.com/

False Flag News - Saving the world one drill at a time: http://falseflagnews.com/

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Comment #17 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 17:39:48 PT
Early Voting Results
Lamont Takes Lead Over Lieberman in Early Results

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Tuesday, August 8, 2006

By SUSAN HAIGH Associated Press Writer

Copyright: 2006 AP Wire

With 12 of 748 precincts, or 2 percent of the vote,as of 8:15 p.m.:

Ned Lamont 1,747 - 60 percent

Joe Lieberman (i) 1,188 - 40 percent

http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=10852

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Comment #16 posted by Max Flowers on August 08, 2006 at 17:23:00 PT
(OT) Lieberman
I've been waiting a long time to see him eat crow, and now he's washing it down with a nice glass of mud, and strangely enough it appears that's his name now---mud. I hope all war-loving politicians have a similar destiny to what I think is about to become his.

I also hope that what is happening to him is a strong message to all Democrats who try to play both sides of the fence and betray what their party is ostensibly supposed to be about (compared to Republicans anyway... I know that there's not really that much difference between the parties at this point in time, but perhaps that could even change).

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Comment #15 posted by Max Flowers on August 08, 2006 at 17:16:49 PT
Whig
Sounds like it went great. I was at the Wonders Of Cannabis last year, and it was quite nice. Got to see Tommy Chong do some stand up. That's where I saw Rick Steves speak also. I wonder if it will be just like last year... it seemed to be just the stage with speakers, and then a whole lot of vendors. Not that that was insufficient, it was nice to have such an event happening at all and it was great to see it happening so openly.

It was also a good illustration, to me, of how things change magically when you use the word cannabis instead of "marijuana." Had they called it "Wonders of Marijuana", I can just imagine how it would have created a problem and maybe not even been allowed to happen.

Anyway I'm glad it went well at the CAN thing... I told you you'd meet some good people there!

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Comment #14 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 15:12:21 PT
Churches
Why do we have to vote in a Christian type Church? Why don't we get to vote in a building that doesn't have any religious connection to it?

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Comment #13 posted by Wayne on August 08, 2006 at 14:39:31 PT
voting
You know, I always wondered why they don't give us a day off on election day? I was reading that article from the link below, and it seemed like a lot of people were only in line at 6 am because they had to be. I mean if every vote counts and our votes are so important, why don't they give us a day off so we can go? If they're worried about a drop in 'worker productivity', why not have it on Saturday or Sunday? I bet it would double our turnout rate, and it would cut down on the number of absentees that could possibly be thrown out. I wonder how many people are out there that don't vote simply because they can't make it to the polls in time?

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Comment #12 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 14:26:41 PT
OT: FoM - Connecticut voting
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5252387

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Comment #11 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 12:51:30 PT
Whig
I saw our country highjacked by people that money became their god. Our music had a message. Our values were peace, love and understanding. Then it all started to change. I remember feeling like it all was becoming plastic and substance and values were being cast to the wind. Everything became for the individual not for society. Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country was wonderful to hear when Kennedy said it. Then it became all corporations becoming our country and religious extremists jumped in for their take.

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Comment #10 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 12:13:00 PT
FoM
You and your generation accomplished what you could and you did it fine, believe it or not. You planted the garden. If you expected that the garden would grow overnight, well that is just not how nature works. It takes time, water and sunshine and care, before the flowers even begin to sprout. Here in Berkeley the garden is flowering now and the folks here are tending the garden and we're still in early harvests. My generation hasn't accomplished much yet, especially compared to yours.

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Comment #9 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 12:08:31 PT
Whig
You are the kind of person that gives me hope for the USA. When I decide it's time to start rocking in a rocking chair to Rockin in the Free World I want to know it will all be ok. You and your generation have a huge task ahead but I trust that you can accomplish what we couldn't.

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Comment #8 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 12:05:26 PT
FoM
The only way Lieberman could win is if Diebold fixes it.

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Comment #7 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 12:04:43 PT
I Really Am Hoping For Good News
I really hope Lieberman loses so it will send a message to other Democrats to stop the war. I am concerned if Lieberman doesn't lose how the world will view it. We can't take too many more countries hating us.

Lieberman Fights for Survival in Connecticut

http://tinyurl.com/k7dd8

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Comment #6 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 12:03:36 PT
FoM
Aw shucks. Thanks. I was going to this meeting not knowing what to expect and it was like being welcomed home.

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Comment #5 posted by FoM on August 08, 2006 at 11:29:09 PT
Whig
I knew that you and the west coast would be good together. You have an open and curious mind. You are intelligent, strong willed but kind. You will be a big assett to them I believe.

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Comment #4 posted by whig on August 08, 2006 at 11:23:40 PT
Max
CAN are good people. I wrote about the meeting a little bit last night - http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22048.shtml#47 and #48. Their main project right now is the Wonders of Cannabis Festival on October 28-29 in San Francisco. I wish I could tell you who all was there, but it was great to meet people that I had known about for a long time. Everything I was trying to do when I lived in Pittsburgh felt like it had been a training exercise for what is going on here. It's like every idea that I had about how to build a social movement, it is absolutely being done here and it is being run by people who know how to do it properly and without egos or power trips.

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Comment #3 posted by Max Flowers on August 08, 2006 at 10:26:46 PT
(OT) Hey whig
If you're online, tell us how the CAN meeting was.

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Comment #2 posted by Wayne on August 08, 2006 at 08:48:37 PT
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This is why I have a hard time believing that ballot measures will ever work. Our electoral system is too corrupt. If it wasn't this reason, it would have been something equally ridiculous. I'm sure that if Mr. Iverson had had enough valid signatures, the election officials would have dismissed them for being in the wrong color ink or something. They will think up ANYTHING, and all they have to do is stamp it to make it official.

If he really wants to make this work, I would say this to him: Start earlier in the year, make sure all your reps have blue pens, and document EVERYTHING. Don't shortcut on anything, don't give them a reason to doubt you.

I think the petitioners are noble in their quests, but the people in charge have the wrong focus. Don't focus on the goal, focus on the means. We've already got 80% of the public on our side. Just get the measure to the ballot, it will pass as long as it's on there. But it has to get there first.

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Comment #1 posted by mayan on August 08, 2006 at 07:23:01 PT
What A Crock!
If this was an intitiative to make George W. Bush the official mascot of every sports team in Portland, you can bet your asses the signatures would have been just fine and dandy! Oh well, no sweat. According to the article "marijuana" already ranks low on the priority list of the Portland police. Sure it does!

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Bill O'Reilly Spinning 9/11 Truth (video): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7227410814379806181

9/11 American Scholars Symposium (video): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14295.htm

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