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Posted by CN Staff on July 30, 2006 at 05:58:35 PT
By Tony Carroll, Juneau Empire 
Source: Juneau Empire  

cannabis Alaska -- Most Alaskans see the need to keep marijuana out of the hands of children and others hurt by the illegal industry, Gov. Frank Murkowski said in support of an appeal to a Juneau judge's decision striking down a marijuana law passed this spring.

Alaska Attorney General David Marquez announced Friday the state had filed notice with the Alaska Supreme Court seeking to overturn a July 10 ruling by Superior Court Judge Patricia Collins against the law that would make it a crime for adults to possess an ounce or less of marijuana.

Collins found that to uphold the law she would have to reverse a 1975 state Supreme Court decision, which she lacks the authority to do. She granted summary judgment to the American Civil Liberties Union of Alaska, which sued the state when the law took effect in June.

The law made marijuana possession of 4 ounces or more a felony. It made possession of 1 to 4 ounces a misdemeanor punishable of up to a year in jail. Collins specifically ruled against the part of the law that made possession of less than 1 ounce a misdemeanor punishable by up to 90 days in jail.

"The majority of Alaskans recognize that marijuana is dangerous and needs to be kept out of the hands of our children and other vulnerable people who are victimized by the dealers involved in this huge illegal industry," Murkowski said in a news release issued by the state Department of Law.

During a a Friday morning news conference in Juneau, Murkowski said a recent murder in Fairbanks of a 22-year-old man authorities believe had not paid his marijuana bill, speaks to the need for tougher laws. "It points out that marijuana is dangerous in more ways than one."

The appeal isn't a surprise, said Michael W. Macleod-Ball, executive director of the ACLU of Alaska. Going into the litigation, he expected an appeal would follow by whichever side lost.

He said the governor's comments address politics instead of the law. This isn't about children using marijuana or penalties for people dealing or producing large amounts of marijuana, which are already illegal. It is about the right of privacy defined in the state's high court ruling defined in Ravin v. Alaska, which states the privacy in one's home includes the possession of small amounts of marijuana for personal use.

"If a majority gets to decide what our constitutional rights are, there would be no need for a constitution," he said Friday from his Anchorage office. The Alaska Constitution holds a stronger right of privacy than the U.S. Constitution, he added. "We have courts for a reason."

Marquez said in the Department of Law news release the ruling impedes law enforcement from obtaining search warrants for people engaging in production and distribution. "Possession of any amount of marijuana is illegal under federal law," he said.

"Really our case is a case on potency," Murkowski said Friday morning.

The state's appeal notes the court failed to consider the Legislature's findings that marijuana is stronger than it was when Ravin was decided.

"These findings reflect a significantly advanced understanding of the dangers of marijuana use, particularly in Alaska, that were not recognized 30 years ago," Marquez said in a Law Department news release.

"Based on this recognition that shifts in the potency of marijuana could pose a significant health threat, it is clear that our courts contemplated that a new case might be made in the future that would justify further criminalization of marijuana," Marquez said. "That time and that shift are now and warrant review by the state's highest court."

Macleod-Ball said the courts have recognized the danger, but not that the danger is great enough to outweigh people's constitutional rights.

• Staff writer Andrew Petty contributed to this story.

Note: Stronger potency of drug justifies new standard, AG says.

Source: Juneau Empire (AK)
Author: Tony Carroll, Juneau Empire
Published: July 30, 2006
Copyright: 2006 Southeastern Newspaper Corp
Website: http://www.juneauempire.com/
Contact: letterstotheeditor@juneauempire.com

Related Articles & Web Site:

ACLU
http://www.aclu.org/

Judge Rules Against Alaska Marijuana Law
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21983.shtml

Judge Hears Arguments Over New State MJ Law
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21967.shtml

ACLU Sues Alaska Over State's New MJ Law
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21889.shtml


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Comment #131 posted by FoM on August 04, 2006 at 07:21:55 PT
Whig
I don't think that Cannabis is fun. I think drinking can be fun for some people who like alcohol but not Cannabis.

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Comment #130 posted by whig on August 04, 2006 at 00:54:20 PT
More on "Fun"
What I really have trouble with is the notion that you can ever expect cannabis to be "light entertainment." It is usually pleasant but sometimes it brings uncomfortable truths to the surface and those can be difficult experiences. You never know in advance when that is going to happen -- it's true of any psychedelic substance by the way that you have to expect the unexpected and ride it through with respect. Maybe my experiences are different than some people but I cannot comprehend disrespecting cannabis.

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Comment #129 posted by whig on August 04, 2006 at 00:50:13 PT
"Fun"
I don't really think that cannabis is something I consider "fun" in the sense of being trivial entertainment. It definitely improves the sense of well-being and comfort, and allows me to think differently about certain things -- more clearly in some respects, though less in others. If I watch a movie or listen to music it can make them more interesting and that can definitely qualify as fun -- but those are activities that are supposed to be fun with or without cannabis. Of course if it's a depressing movie it's still going to be depressing, and so forth. Basically it just has an effect of deepening whatever experience you have, and making certain connections more easily. It makes conversations better, too, but again those are supposed to be enjoyable things to do with or without cannabis. Only in the sense that it is "fun" to feel better and with less pain can cannabis be considered (at least by me) to be "fun" in and of itself.

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Comment #128 posted by afterburner on August 03, 2006 at 23:02:59 PT
Russell Barth Calls Out Prohibition
Canada: PUB LTE: Canada Should Drop Its Pot Laws http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1015/a06.html (Mon, 31 Jul 2006) National Post (Canada). Referenced: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n996/a11.html Author: Russell Barth

{ CANADA SHOULD DROP ITS POT LAWS

Re: Pot Laws Are Just Fine, letter to the editor, July 29.

An astonishing 42,922 people were charged with simple possession of pot in 2005. Does that qualify as "rarely enforced"?

Prohibition of marijuana subsidizes organized crime and makes pot easier for kids to access than either alcohol or tobacco. It wastes billions in tax dollars and police resources every year, endangers everyone and deprives Canadians of an additional $3-billion in potential annual tax revenue. The laws as they stand now only benefit the dealers.

Furthermore, medical users like myself and my wife live in constant danger and fear because of the laws as they are. The bust, publicity and subsequent home invasion of federal medical marijuana licence-holder Tom Shapiro of Regina is proof enough that no one can be trusted, especially not the police or government!

I challenge letter-writer Erik Kyren to explain what good has ever come from prohibition. I submit that anyone who thinks prohibition is a good way to control drug use in our society is either a fool or a drug dealer.

Russell Barth, federal medical marijuana licence-holder, Ottawa. }

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As the British poet-philosopher John Lennon might have said,

{ Everybody's talkin' 'bout:

Prohibition inhibition exhibition cohibition

obfuscation prevarication rationalization demonization

Incarceration degradation confiscation devastation

All we are saying is:

Give peace a chance }

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Comment #127 posted by afterburner on August 03, 2006 at 22:06:10 PT
More Russell Barth on the 'High'
CN ON: PUB LTE: Getting High As a Side Effect of Marijuana Use http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n1015/a08.html (Tue, 01 Aug 2006) Guelph Mercury (CN ON). Referenced: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n986/a03.html Author: Russell Barth

{ GETTING HIGH AS A SIDE EFFECT OF MARIJUANA USE

Dear Editor - Re: 'U of G research show pot helps sick people cope' ( Guelph Mercury, July 29 ).

As a federal medical marijuana license holder who is also married to one, I was thrilled to see this story about medical marijuana. Marco Renda is a friend of ours, and he and his wife attended our wedding in 2005.

My wife has epilepsy, and I have fibromyalgia. Both of these conditions bring with them a litany of symptoms. We have used cannabis as our only medicine for about four years. The number and ferocity of my wife's seizures have dropped by about 90 per cent in that time.

There is no doubt about pot making people "feel" better, aside from any biochemical mechanism between human and medicine. That softening of symptoms and mild euphoria makes all the difference sometimes.

What disturbs me is this insistence by many that there is a need for a cannabis medicine that has no buzz or high.

About two weeks into our new medical regimen, we realized the "fun" part of smoking pot all day wears off quick. The high is still there, but it ceases to be "fun."

Getting high for the sake of getting high is called recreational use, but getting high because it is a side effect of medicinal cannabis use is something entirely different. That high is the measure of the medicine's potency, and is necessary for correct titration of dose.

If one has weak pot, they need to use more. If the pot is very potent, then they only need a little. The way to tell the difference is when the high arrives. That high is the body's way of saying "OK, that's enough for now."

Russell Barth

Ottawa }

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Comment #126 posted by afterburner on August 03, 2006 at 07:45:51 PT
Russell Barth Strikes Again
CN BC: PUB LTE: Marijuana Not Going Away, Langley Advance, (01 Aug 2006) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n1008/a05.html?176

{ DRUGS: MARIJUANA NOT GOING AWAY Dear Editor,

Helen Featherston [Grieving mom seeks change, July 28, Langley Advance] needs to understand something: marijuana, the most medically beneficial plant known to man, is here to stay. It was here long before humans, we have used it for more than 5,000 years, and it will be here long after we are all gone.

Education is the key. Eighty-three years ago, marijuana was made illegal, based on racist lies and junk science, and the new driving laws will be implemented the same way, no doubt. There are no official numbers to support the claim of increased danger, so good luck getting those laws past The Charter.

Adults - especially police - have lost a lot of credibility when it comes to drugs, because they lie and exaggerate the so-called "dangers'of marijuana. They tell kids that marijuana is ten times more potent than before, and will cause cancer, schizophrenia, impotence, permanent stupidity, and an addiction to hard drugs.

When kids discover the truth on their own ( which is just a Google search away ), they will realize that they have been systematically lied to by people they once trusted. They will likely conclude that, if adults lied about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and marijuana, they must be lying about meth, crack, heroin, ecstasy, booze, weapons, extreme sports, safe-sex, and safe-driving, too. And who can blame them?

We live in a hypocritical "drug culture" that advertises booze, fast cars, fast food, violent movies and video games, and drugs of all kinds - right on TV. Then we tell kids, "Say no to drugs."

We give kids Ritalin ( cocaine with a PG rating ), instead of just reducing their sugar and Game-Boy intake, and then tell them, "Marijuana is dangerous!"

They see right though this hypocrisy. A ruse by any other name_

Also, there is already a roadside test, involving measurement of reflexes, much like a hand-held video game, and it has been used in Australia.

Next, the only official studies conducted on cannabis and driving took place in Europe, and they showed conclusively that cannabis users drive more slowly and more cautiously than non-users. There has never been a study on cannabis and driving in North America, so police are pulling numbers right out of the air.

Cannabis can impair some people, but it doesn't impair everyone, or every time. People can be impaired by a coffee or cigarette or cell phone in hand, rowdy pets and passengers, booming stereos, over-the-counter medications, prescription medications, blood-sugar imbalances, fatigue, inexperience, bad driving habits, old-age, and just plain old stupidity. To focus on any one thing is arbitrary and discriminatory, and that is exactly what these new laws would be doing.

It won't matter if the driver is tripling his or her dose of a prescription medication, but if marijuana shows up in your blood, you are considered guilty until proven innocent. So much for Canada being a "just society."

RUSSELL BARTH

Ottawa }

Good LTE, but in my opinion driving studies have been done in North America (although I don't know if they are based on after the fact analysis or direct observation):

Cannabis/Driving Studies [afterburner] http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/18/thread18809.shtml#8

Cannabis/Driving Studies [Dankhank] http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/18/thread18809.shtml#9

"Drugged-driving" Information Resources http://www.cannabisfacts.ca/druggeddriving.html

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Comment #125 posted by mai_bong_city on August 02, 2006 at 13:58:10 PT
well hot diggity :)
i'm glad you got to make your friend laugh, FoM. i know the feeling of the same but changed. afterburner, exactly. GW - the hot diggity is for you ;)

mbc

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Comment #124 posted by afterburner on August 02, 2006 at 06:42:06 PT
Another Russell Barth LTE: An Oldie but a Goodie
CN AB: PUB LTE: Refusal To Regulate Marijuana Sales A Crime, FFWD, (20 Jul 2006) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n975/a05.html?180

{ REFUSAL TO REGULATE MARIJUANA SALES A CRIME

RE: "Come On, Just Legalize It!" by Amy Steele, Books, July 13 to July 19, 2006."

Amy Steele's article ends with the question: "So why are we even debating whether or not to legalize it?" The answer is: because the government wants it this way.

By refusing to regulate marijuana production and sales, our government is not only deliberately subsidizing criminals, they are also knowingly making pot easier for kids to access than either tobacco or alcohol. They waste valuable police resources and billions of dollars annually, deprive Canadians of a source of valuable medicine and about $3 billion in annual tax revenue.

This leads me to wonder just which side of the law these so-called conservatives are on.

Russell Barth

Federal Medical Marijuana License Holder

Ottawa }

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Comment #123 posted by Hope on August 01, 2006 at 20:36:38 PT
Way to go, Russel Barth! Excellent letter!
Thank you, Afterburner.

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Comment #122 posted by afterburner on August 01, 2006 at 19:52:18 PT
mai_bong_city #91
Tao Teh Ching - Walker Translation http://wayist.org/ttc%20compared/walker.htm 11.2 "A vessel is moulded from solid clay; its inner emptiness makes it useful."

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Comment #121 posted by afterburner on August 01, 2006 at 19:50:31 PT
CN BC: PUB LTE: Keeping Drugs Illegal Undermines..
CN BC: PUB LTE: Keeping Drugs Illegal Undermines Authority, Nanaimo News Bulletin, (29 Jul 2006) http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v06/n989/a10.html?176

{ KEEPING DRUGS ILLEGAL UNDERMINES AUTHORITY

To The Editor,

Re: Respect for authority has vanished, Quinn's Quips, July 22.

Respect for authority truly has vanished -- due in large part to drug prohibition.

When the enforcement of absurd laws is given such high priority, it undermines all the good work that police do.

Also, a police officer will get "suspension with pay" for a crime that would have a civilian in jail for three years. How can anyone be expected to obey the laws when the people we hire to enforce them can't be trusted to obey them?

Something as heinous as molesting a child and ruining a whole family's life will get you the same jail sentence as growing a few pot plants in your backyard.

Is that "justice"?

We live in a drug culture that advertises booze, fast cars, fast food, violent movies and video games and drugs of all kinds on TV.

Then we tell kids "say no to drugs."

They see right though this hypocrisy.

Taking the drug business out of the hands of teens and criminals and putting it into the hands of responsible adults is socially conservative. Generating tax revenue from that industry is fiscally conservative, and using that money to teach kids why they should avoid drugs is morally conservative.

By not legalizing and regulating drug production and sales, we subsidize criminals, make drugs easier for kids to access than either tobacco or alcohol, waste valuable police resources and deprive ourselves of billions in annual tax revenue.

All of this serves to undermine respect for authority. If we want to regain respect for authority, the authorities have to stop behaving in absurd, contradictory and hypocritical ways.

Russell Barth,

medical marijuana licence holder,

Ottawa }

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Comment #120 posted by FoM on August 01, 2006 at 18:10:49 PT
Mayan
I really don't know how they can expand drilling but it seems they will be. I wonder if they just figure the gulf is doomed because of global warming so they might as well go ahead and drill since people will have to move. I'm trying to think like a business person but it doesn't make sense to me.

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Comment #119 posted by mayan on August 01, 2006 at 17:45:01 PT
FoM
Expanding oil drilling in the Gulf is not wise. There will be more and more viscious hurricanes as the oceans warm. There is already a huge "dead zone" down there and Tropical Storm Chris is headed toward us as we speak. It is forecast to strengthen...

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200603.html

Greed is deaf,dumb,blind and suicidal.

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Comment #118 posted by FoM on August 01, 2006 at 16:18:00 PT
MBC
I liked your comment. I believe if we don't change we will be in big trouble as a country. I don't just mean politically but inside ourselves. People must look inside themselves and realize the importance of good works. Goodness is important. Goodness can fix a country. The selfish behavior that I have observed during this administration isn't good.

I didn't get back to respond faster because we had company. A friend from Yuma, Arizona dropped in while visiting his sick parents and a couple we have known since the 70s came out too. This is the first time we have sat down and talked since the 70s. We were friends back then and it's like we all were just the same even though we are different. It was great to see them but the husband has had it really hard for a number of years. He had to have a Liver transplant and he is trying to recover from a stroke. Seeing him drag his leg and his crippled arm made me sad. We made him laugh though. I hope they come back more often and maybe we can cheer him up a little.

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Comment #117 posted by Global_Warming on August 01, 2006 at 15:45:59 PT
hey, mbc
I thought your were a guy.

Watching or listening to that cspan, my cable provider has somehow denied me access to the show on tv, so that I may record it, so thank God for the Internet.

That Garden in Amsterdam sounds so good, and I am free to make that happen.



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Comment #116 posted by mai_bong_city on August 01, 2006 at 11:55:29 PT
everybody
this was indeed most needed for many - i agree it's a keeper, Hope and you are most welcome for any small contribution i was able to make to it.... it feels like the 60's are coming 'round again to me too FoM - maybe just 'cause of the internet radio i'm listening to but....the lyrics of those songs mean so much more - maybe in some way we that grew up with vietnam daily needed to have that experience in order to be able to see more clearly now, those that have eyes and such - but - hip-hop i'm afraid does not speak let's say to the more mass populus - specific oppressed groups must come together for everyone's freedom from oppression....and words are so powerful, but such contrast as well - i get alvin lee and ten years after with "i'd love to change the world/but i don't know what to do" followed by csn&y "we can change the world/re-arrange the world".... and "it's dying". there is hope in all of this and the knowledge and strength we form and draw on together, i guess. i hope i did not embarrass you, g_w......i just so appreciate your wisdom, friend :) musta' been the good cannabis ;) this place, these beings help heal. never forget that. and we're blessed for it, lucky for it, we help make it so, altogether. i am so utterly and completely grateful. namaste..

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Comment #115 posted by Hope on August 01, 2006 at 10:07:08 PT
Museman
What a blessing you are to me. What a blessing!

I thank God for you and all the people here. All of you.



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Comment #114 posted by Hope on August 01, 2006 at 10:05:38 PT
MaiBongCity
Thank you for the treastise you posted about "Hope". It's a blessing. Thank you.

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Comment #113 posted by Hope on August 01, 2006 at 10:04:32 PT
gw
Comment 91

Cool!

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Comment #112 posted by Hope on August 01, 2006 at 10:01:56 PT
There is SO VERY MUCH pure Light in this thread!
I needed it badly and I'm so grateful for it.

Yes...SystemGoneDown...there is terrible, horrible darkness all around us...but try to focus on the light and not the dark, if you can. Darkness will only suck you down into it's nothingness and despair. Fight it and seek the good...even if it's only a glimmer. There is Peace in it and it's worth battling through and resisting the pull of darkness to find it. It catches up with us all sometimes...but fight it, man, and don't let it overwhelm your spirit forever. It's just a spiritual thing...but spirit is what keeps this robe of flesh we are in, up and going.

MaiBongCity and gw! That's a cool thought and brings me joy, too!

gw...are you paying attention?

I love you all so much and you are all the source of so much light in my soul. Thank you again and again!

Something Wonderful! I'm looking for something wonderful! I'm looking for something wonderful. Watching for something wonderful. Waiting for something wonderful. Expecting something wonderful!

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Comment #111 posted by FoM on August 01, 2006 at 07:37:24 PT
Sinsemilla Jones and Whig
What nice words to read. Thank you all for caring like you do. The world is in a big mess. People seem angry but I'm not angry. I am almost resigned to what they have done to us. In not even 6 years they have destroyed the future for our young people. Maybe it isn't too late. I hope and pray it isn't too late.

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Comment #110 posted by FoM on August 01, 2006 at 06:38:38 PT
Senate Clears Way for Offshore Bill
Monday, July 31, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The Senate cleared the way Monday for legislation that would open 8.3 million protected acres in the Gulf of Mexico to oil and gas drilling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/31/AR2006073100405.html

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Comment #109 posted by Wayne on August 01, 2006 at 05:11:17 PT
check THIS out
I never thought the day would come...

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Comment #108 posted by whig on August 01, 2006 at 02:10:39 PT
Music for SystemGoneDown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcLlDUIDwm4

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Comment #107 posted by whig on August 01, 2006 at 01:57:07 PT
SystemGoneDown
Things are always getting worse, and better simultaneously. You can pay attention to the one and disregard the other, or notice both at once. If you choose to observe only the path of destruction and decay, then it is that path you walk. If you choose instead to observe the path of recreation and growth, then it is this path you walk. It is a choice you make for yourself.

Do not ask that Cannabisnews or anyone else make the choice for you. This is your world, your world is your own.

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Comment #106 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on August 01, 2006 at 01:02:42 PT
whig - I concur!
"FoM has created a loving family here, through her own compassion and genuine belief in making a better world. This is not the place where people come if they want to bring hatred and violence. This is not where people come to hide out and let the system devour the rest. This is where we come to heal ourselves and one another and through all of us to heal the society and the world in which we live.

Cannabis is the tree of life, it is medicine for the body and the spirit and the world."

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Comment #105 posted by SystemGoneDown on August 01, 2006 at 00:35:12 PT
Attack on U.S. soil... *correction*
The plan was to create a euphoric utopia, and we got anarchy. We planned to spread a systematic/mathmatical solution to the unresolving problems throughout the world, and we divided. Instead of multiplying peace and happiness, we multiplied as people and overpopulated our land. We planned to educate our way to a better state of human mind. We planned on making a society with respect for each other's faith, and instead got holy wars. We cured diseases, landed on the moon, and made all kinds of creative lives for our people... On the other hand...

We stole the truth of life from religious ideas, and turned them into die-for faiths. We took the money away from education and put them into technology. Took the magic of music and got the horrific nature of war. Murdered 70,000 in an instant with a single bomb. We holocausted 6 million people in a span of 12 years. We encourage over-population throughtout the globe in order to create class sectors. We drain the world's resources for disproportioned wealth. We demonized obscenity. We've capitalized everything from the Louisiana purchase to the War in Iraq...

Democrat, Republican, Independant, Cannabisnews.com, none of us our going to hault us from the end of capatalism's long universal road.

So I ask: Where are us consumer-rat Americans going to do when the terror of the bombs and chemical weapons hit home?



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Comment #104 posted by SystemGoneDown on August 01, 2006 at 00:32:09 PT
Attack on U.S. soil...
The plan was to create a euphoric utopia, and we got anarchy. We planned to spread a systematic/mathmatical solution to the unresolving problems throughout the world, and we divided. Instead of multiplying peace and happiness, we multiplied as people and overpopulated our land. We planned to educate our way to a better state of human mind. We planned on making a society with respect for each other's faith, and instead got holy wars. We cured diseases, landed on the moon, and made all kinds of creative lives for our people...

On the other hand...

We stole the truth of life from religious ideas, and turned them into die-for faiths. We took the money away from education and put them into technology. Took the magic of music and got the horrific nature of war. Murdered 70,000 in an instant with a single bomb. We holocausted 6 million people in a span of 12 years. We encourage over-population throughtout the globe in order to create class sectors. We drain the world's resources for disproportioned wealth. We demonized obscenity. We've capitalized everything from the Louisiana purchase to the War in Iraq...

Democrat, Republican, Independant, Cannabisnews.com, none of us our going to hault us from the end of capatalism's long universal road.

So I ask: Where are us consumer-rat Americans going to do when the terror of the bombs and chemical weapons hit home?



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Comment #103 posted by whig on August 01, 2006 at 00:14:24 PT
Sinsemilla Jones
FoM has created a loving family here, through her own compassion and genuine belief in making a better world. This is not the place where people come if they want to bring hatred and violence. This is not where people come to hide out and let the system devour the rest. This is where we come to heal ourselves and one another and through all of us to heal the society and the world in which we live.

Cannabis is the tree of life, it is medicine for the body and the spirit and the world.

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Comment #102 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on August 01, 2006 at 00:01:49 PT
This place gives me hope!
I've really been down about the sorry state of the supposed marijuana boards I used to participate in.

It is so nice to read comments from people who aren't so arrogant and proud of having their heads so firmly and far up their asses for so long, that their knee jerk reaction to hope is to beat the living shit out of it.

It's also amazing how much more good information you can get from folks who know they don't know everything than from those who think they know it all.

And it's obvious that everyone here realizes the desperate need for love in this world. That realization is a measure of the love in your heart. The love in your heart not only can, but has and will change the world.

The love in your heart is changing the world right now!

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Comment #101 posted by whig on July 31, 2006 at 22:28:02 PT
Billmon today...
http://billmon.org/archives/002607.html

http://billmon.org/archives/002611.html

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Comment #100 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 20:48:17 PT
Interesting Videos
I found this on the Rust List. On Immigration Man they mentioned about camps to put people in. It's worth a look.

http://streamos.wbr.com/wmedia/wbr/neilyoung/letsroll350.wvx

http://streamos.wbr.com/wmedia/wbr/neilyoung/070306/csn_immigration-man_700.wvx

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Comment #99 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 19:57:53 PT
Thank You Everyone
I wish that there was news about cannabis that was good but we have entered a time that is different then we have had in recent years I believe. Talking about religious feelings is news now. CNN is covering it and I also think it is important that we try to be comfortable with talking about it too. World War could happen very quickly. I turn on the tv news in the morning and wonder how bad it became while I was asleep. That's really fast and I haven't felt that way until now. Thanks again. You are the best people.

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Comment #98 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 19:18:20 PT
Oh my!
I need this thread!

Maybe I'm going to have to print it to get it read as thoroughly as I want to.

Museman, I have a King, too...the same as yours. He's the ONLY King I have, too.

Goneposthole...Teddy Roosevelt is The Teddy to me. I've always admired him in many ways.

Mai_Bong_City...I'm looking forward to reading that piece you posted.

Back to trying reading. Just had to say that.



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Comment #97 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 19:05:37 PT
whig
I agree with what you said. They are celebrating because they think God loves them and no one else. How can people who think God loves them so much get by with hating almost everyone outside their church? If that isn't being full of self righteousness I don't know what is. Pride is a bad thing. It's very sad.

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Comment #96 posted by whig on July 31, 2006 at 18:58:03 PT
SystemGoneDown
I think you misunderstand the right wing fixation on Armageddon. They aren't dreading it. They are celebrating. They think their Jesus Christ is going to come down on a cloud and whisk them up to eternal salvation any day now.

Meantime down here they are still crucifying us. Who do they think they are and who do they think we are?

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Comment #95 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 18:35:58 PT
goneposthole
Interesting link. Isms boggle my mind but I believe more like they do then the christian right.

Mayan it was very interesting to see. We just told a friend to watch it tomorrow.

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Comment #94 posted by mayan on July 31, 2006 at 18:19:14 PT
Thank You, C-SPAN!
I urge everyone to thank them for airing the 9/11 Truth Symposium Saturday and Sunday! Obviously, it was a huge hit and will be aired again tomorrow. The importance of this movement's mission cannot be overstated. We have to stop the neo-con war machine before the cycle of violence spirals out of control...

TALK RADIO MASS-MOBILIZATION! http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/talk-radio-mass-mobilization.html

Fliers for the Tuesday's CSPAN broadcast: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/fliers-for-tuesdays-cspan-broadcast.html

C-Span Firestorm: 9/11 Truth Symposium Gains Momentum: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/310706cspan.htm

9/11 American Scholars Symposium Panel Discussion (video): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14295.htm

Lecturer Explains 9/11 Theories: http://www.gazetteextra.com/barrettlecture073106.asp

WE WANT THE MEDIA TO INVESTIGATE 9/11: http://www.wewantthemediatoinvestigate911.com/

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Comment #93 posted by goneposthole on July 31, 2006 at 18:12:05 PT
if you have questions about the apocalypse
go to: http://www.deism.com/

Deists do not believe in revealed religions (Revelations)

also, if you want to smoke some cannabis, go ahead.

it's ok to smoke cannabis, no matter what George Bush and the wacko 'Republicans' say, or, for that matter, what the Democrats and Hillary Clinton says.

Time for a change.

Politics schmolitics, go ahead and do what you want (as long as you aren't hurting anybody else)

Don't be invading other countried in hopes of a new world odor.

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Comment #92 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 18:01:30 PT
SystemGoneDown
We don't normally watch Paula Zahn but I wanted to see the end of the world part of the show. Republicans are mostly controlled by the christian right. I have known that for years and that is why I could never be a republican. Democrats try to do more good things for average people and that I believe is the right thing to do. I am not political except I know what I don't want. We could be close to a major war. The one thing that has always amazed me is the pre-trib christians. I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture.

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Comment #91 posted by mai_bong_city on July 31, 2006 at 17:38:01 PT
sweet dreams
sorry, just one last....i'm in a mood, forgive me :) also i think you n' me g_w oughta' git hitched and plant a dang garden and retire to amsterdam in our old age (no offense to any spouse) but if yer single call me! hah...i'm a musician too and composer, i keep my wordwork seperate though, i must say it is so good here, this all that we have together, us now. everyone~*

the journal of g. amoss, vol. 2:

To wait without hope, without love, without faith--those three crucial virtues called "supernatural" by theology--can only be to wait in that true and complete silence which, if we let it, will bring us to what Eliot calls "A condition of complete simplicity/(Costing not less than everything)." For silence is an emptiness, but it is an emptiness that makes fullness possible, a darkness that is light, a stillness that is the cosmic dance. In the emptiness of complete spiritual poverty, we see through and thereby become detached from everything, even our very thoughts. As master Hui-Neng says, "Thoughts come and go of themselves, for through the use of wisdom there is no blockage. ...Such is the [true] practice of 'no-thought.'" We wait without thought in the sense that we have gone beyond thought to a deeper level, to the emptiness in which nothing remains to separate us from ourselves or from others--in which, therefore, love becomes real. And love, too, leads us to the fullness of emptiness, for in love we find ourselves in the very act of giving ourselves away.

Recently I read an in-depth review, by Douglas Gwyn, of a book on speaking and silence among 17th-century Friends. In that review, Gwyn pointed out that for early Friends silence was not an end in itself. Silence functioned for them like a Zen koan, to crucify natural thought in order that they might come to a new, pure, spiritual language through the transformation of their fundamental way of experiencing themselves and their world. As George Fox indicated in his journal, this pure speech would be the expression of one's experience of the "true nature"--as Zen would put it--of all things. Early Friends knew that they were "not ready for thought" until they had let the silence take them apart and re-create them in its own image as persons who possessed nothing and who were therefore free to love. Only when they had entered that "condition of complete simplicity" could they begin to speak truly, and then their speech would be directed to bringing their hearers into the same experience. "Silence," says Gwyn, "was seen as not only the state from which one must speak, if moved, but also the right outcome of speaking. Vocal ministry sought to achieve silence in the hearer, to enhance the crucifixion of natural thought and language within."

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Comment #90 posted by SystemGoneDown on July 31, 2006 at 17:31:45 PT
Slight Observation...
I like to watch the news/media on tv not to draw conclusions but to make straight up judgements on the Right Wing Amerika. It's ironic. The left-wing civil rights movement has gone on for 40 years now, and we've been arguing that the harsh realities of capatalism and industry will have a exterminating effect on the human race. It's funny though, you watch the news now, its now the Right-Wing that is crying this. ALL OF A SUDDEN!!!..........................................Headlines at CNN: "Coming up, why the crisis in the Middle East has many of the Christian-right thinking it is Armageddon-the end of the World!!!!"

This f-----g infuriates me. All these religious zealots saying to "prepare yourself". All of a sudden they are trying to preach their way to "save people" from the end. WHERE THE ---- was this 40 years ago. 50 years ago. 100 years ago during the Industrial Revolution? boy how I HATE religion.

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Comment #89 posted by whig on July 31, 2006 at 17:25:39 PT
mbc
"And a last remark: Participation in the eternal is not given to the separated individual. It is given to him in unity with all others, with mankind, with everything living, with everything that has being and is rooted in the divine ground of being. All powers of creation are in us, and we are in them. We do not hope for us alone or for those alone who share our hope; we hope also for those who had and have no hope, for those whose hopes for this life remain unfulfilled, for those who are disappointed and indifferent, for those who despair of life, and even for those who have hurt or destroyed life. Certainly, if we could only hope each for himself, it would be a poor and foolish hope. Eternity is the ground and aim of every being, for God shall be all in all. Amen."

Amen.

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Comment #88 posted by mai_bong_city on July 31, 2006 at 17:20:44 PT
OT but for all, especially Hope :)
a little relevant reading this evening....

http://tinyurl.com/g8a47

have a good and peaceful night, everyone, and thanks for an awesome and enlightening day - mbc.

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Comment #87 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 15:16:16 PT
San Francisco Considers Easing Pot Club Rules
Monday, July 31, 2006

San Francisco, Calif. (KCBS) -- There's a controversy brewing over a move last year by San Francisco to regulate medical marijuana clubs.

Essentially the new law requires medical pot clubs to get a permit but only after going through a rigorous review. But Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi wants changes. Among the things the supervisors wants dropped are mandatory criminal background checks on all employees at the clubs.

The concern is that the clubs can be used as fronts for illegal drug dealing according to Supervisor Sean Elsbernd. "On Ocean Avenue they were also a front for dealing arms," he recalled.

"This was an 84-page law. The first of its kind in San Francisco history in fact the United States," for its complexity said Mirkarimi.

Listen to Barbara Taylor's complete report.

http://kcbs.com/pages/63083.php

The issue comes before the Board of Supervisors Thursday.

Copyright 2006, KCBS.

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Comment #86 posted by goneposthole on July 31, 2006 at 14:47:27 PT
a little ditty about guns and T. Roosevelt
"...But he knew where to draw the line. At Medora, for instance, the Marquis de Mores, a French settler, assumed the attitude of a feudal proprietor. Having been the first to squat in that region he regarded those who came later as interlopers, and he and his men acted very sullenly. They even carried their ill-will and intimidation to the point of shooting. In due time the Marquis discovered cause for grievance against Roosevelt, and he sent him a letter warning the newcomer that if the cause were not removed the Marquis knew how one gentleman settles a dispute with another. Roosevelt despised dueling as a silly practice, which would not determine justice between disputants; but he knew that in Cowboy Land the duel, being regarded as a test of courage, must not be ignored by him. Any man who declined a challenge lost caste and had better leave the country at once. So Roosevelt within an hour dispatched a reply to the surly Marquis saying that he was ready to meet him at any time and naming the rifle, at twelve paces’ distance, as the weapon that he preferred. The Marquis, a formidable swordsman but no shot, sent back word, expressing regret that Mr. Roosevelt had mistaken his meaning: in referring to “gentlemen knowing how to settle disputes,” he meant that of course an amicable explanation would restore harmony. Thenceforward, he treated Roosevelt with effusive courtesy. Perhaps a chill ran down his back at the thought of standing up before an antagonist twelve paces away and that the fighters were to advance towards each other three paces after each round, until one of them was killed."

Teddy Roosevelt was a horseman too.

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Comment #85 posted by Global_Warming on July 31, 2006 at 14:16:03 PT
hang in there
art can touch and move the soul,

in the middle of all of this injustice



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Comment #84 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 13:48:38 PT
museman
I didn't know that but I understand what it would mean.

From the very beginning of my activism I was always wanting the 60s to come back and fix us. All these years later I think it is starting to happen. I am constantly amazed these days.

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Comment #83 posted by museman on July 31, 2006 at 13:29:12 PT
FoM
John.

There was a sign in a park in New York;

"John Lennon died for your sins."

I don't disagree.



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Comment #82 posted by museman on July 31, 2006 at 13:15:53 PT
g_w
We work with what we have.

As an artist there are a couple of levels I work on. I have gotten weary of the engineering and recording tedium, so I am keeping that to simple live mixing/recording -still honing that skill. As a songwriter, I just have more material than I will probably ever record, and for whatever it's worth, I am more concerned with the song than it's potential orchestration.

I also am a performer, and a lead guitar in a band that plays old cover tunes from the turn of the last century to the turn of the mid-seventies...kind of an electric hillbilly band. As a musician I never have had so much fun. We don't play much orignal, and none of my own.

In other words; Art is art, part of the beauty of the human spirit. It is an expression of experience, knowledge, wisdom, and the lack of it- that is part of who and what we are as humanity. Music, Visual Art, Theater, and Literature, all can be instructive, with substance, or not -and various mixtures. One gets what they get from it.

As an old wizard from a bygone era, I full well understand the power of music to unfluence. Yet I have surrendered my choice of power to the Source. It is not my will but THY will...if you understand my meaning. In that, I have been blessed with opportunity to participate in some...events that hopefully have had had and will have some modicum of positive effect.

Such is the source of my 'inspiration.'

I ramble....

All I have to wage truth, to illuminate the choice of the paths looming in our present history, is music and the word. Being there when illumination occurs, being part of that living moment, is like being at the birth of your own children.

Music is my ministry. I have no religion, and my only understanding of 'worship' is living each moment to it's best and fullest, according to the one 'law' or 'way' called Love. "I" have a king. He is my authority. I know Him by Love itself and no other way.

Love. It is the hardest task man has ever undertaken. We fall down often on our journey, and believe me I am no exception. I am scarred, beaten, probably addicted to my pain-meds at this point... Pain often wins over my higher ground, drags me down to my anger, turns me into a barking dog. But I believe in the promise of Redemption. I have seen the hand of the Creator holding this fragile realm of existence, securely and with Grace, and Providence (when left alone by certain machinations and exploitive endeavors of man) in strong evidence.

So Many words. This is one reason why I chose music and poetry to express these things-it's the only way I seem to be able to simplify.

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Comment #81 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 13:09:23 PT
John Lennon Videos
http://www.johnlennon.com/site.html

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Comment #80 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 13:01:38 PT
John Lennon's Documentary
John Lennon's Most Revolutionary Songs Collected for New Capitol/EMI Soundtrack to Controversial New Documentary Film, The U.S. vs John Lennon

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July 31, 2006

HOLLYWOOD, CA. (Capitol/EMI) - Capitol/EMI Music Catalog Marketing will release the original soundtrack album to the highly-anticipated feature length documentary film, The U.S. vs John Lennon. The soundtrack, available on CD and digitally on September 26, collects John Lennon's most evocative songs, including "Imagine," "Nobody Told Me," "Instant Karma (We All Shine On)," "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)," and "Power To The People," as well as two previously unreleased tracks, "Attica State," recorded live at 1971's "John Sinclair Freedom Rally" benefit concert in Ann Arbor, Michigan and the film's instrumental version of "How Do You Sleep."

The CD and digital album packaging will include a liner notes essay written exclusively for this release by Yoko Ono Lennon. The controversial film, distributed by Lionsgate Films (Crash, Fahrenheit 9/11), will open in New York and Los Angeles theaters on September 15, followed by wide release at the end of September.

"Never in a million years, did we think that promoting World Peace could be dangerous. Were we naive? Yes, on that account, we were. John sings: 'Nobody told me there'd be days like these.' That was his true confession," says Yoko Ono Lennon, "These songs have become relevant all over again. It's almost as if John wrote these songs for what we are going through now."

Complete Article: http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=25505

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Comment #79 posted by global_warming on July 31, 2006 at 12:57:15 PT
i may enjoy your music
I share your vision,

To a better world.



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Comment #78 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 12:50:07 PT
museman
Once again I understand what you are saying. We are in it now.

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Comment #77 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 12:35:49 PT
Thanks MBC
I really like this part of the article.

3. Societies get into the grip of their own self-created story. It's helpful to realize that we can choose not to participate in that story. Realize that national and tribal stories are limited, self-serving, based on the past, reinforced by orthodoxy, and therefore opposed to real change. Stories are incredibly persuasive. Wars are fueled by victimization that runs deep, for example. So let us not try to change anyone's story. Let us only notice and observe ourselves when we buy into it and then let us back away from participating in it.

4. Let us not demand of ourselves that we alone must be the agent of change. In a fire brigade everyone passes along a bucket, but only the last person puts out the fire. None of us know where we stand in line. We may be here simply to pass a bucket; we may be called on to play a major role. In either case, all we can do is think, act, and say. Let us direct our thoughts, words, and actions to peace. That is all we can do. Let the results be what they will be.

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Comment #76 posted by global_warming on July 31, 2006 at 12:33:05 PT
it is wondeful
it would be better, with a full choir,

like the Voices of Freedom,

full organ and orchestra,



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Comment #75 posted by museman on July 31, 2006 at 12:18:56 PT
G_W
Not that a mere song can alter reality - but try this one..

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Comment #74 posted by global_warming on July 31, 2006 at 12:16:30 PT
this is an awesome thread
count your blessings, thanks,



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Comment #73 posted by Wayne on July 31, 2006 at 11:56:30 PT
Re: MBC
I must say that was pretty refreshing.

"Since most misery is born of failed expectations let us learn to minimize expectations so that we will feel far less guilt and disappointment."

That's been my personal theme for years. 'Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall not be disappointed.' It's really quite a liberating mindset.

"Let us resist the lure of dualities. These include us versus them, civilized versus barbarians, good versus evil. The good, civilized people of Europe managed to kill millions of themselves, along with millions of 'them.'"

Excellent example. Dubya could stand to learn a few of these things, if he's still capable. That's assuming he hasn't snorted his brain into oblivion.

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Comment #72 posted by museman on July 31, 2006 at 11:54:29 PT
Armageddon
I used to be a 'prophet' of all this. I used to go around trying to warn everyone that the 'sh_t was going to hit the fan, and hit it hard.'

I used to suffer anxiety that kept me from sleeping at night because of what was revealed to me so long ago. I couldn't speak and be heard, so I wrote songs.

I used to be a social pariah, because the things that I knew (about the stuff happening) were always right there in the foremost of my mind - little social tricks and protocols often passed me by. Those who didn't know me often made gross errors in judging my intelligence, because my mind can not wrap around inanity, or mediocrity.

I used to tell what I knew in the early hours, after all the egos, and the elitists had gone to bed, leaving the air clear of their inundated shallow thinking.

I used to base my entire life on the knowledge of this change that is coming about - I prepared myself and my family to 'live off the land.' I lived from the earth, and off the grid - to be ready.

I was ready in 1971, when my first anticipation of worlds end preoccupied almost every day of my life. When 1972 came around, I got my first clue about timing;

No one, not even the Son of Man Himself knows the time and the hour that 'God' has chosen. It's a clockwork set in motion at the very 'moment' of creation itself.

Yet I could not deny the visions and the dreams, particularly when they started being fulfilled in the '80's. That was when I began to get my first clues about the difference between 'the glass is half empty' or 'the glass is half full.' Something new was happening, but all I (or anyone else -in my experience) could get was a 'fleeting glimpse out of the corner of my eye.'

I got in there with the nitty gritty, met demonic manifestations face to face, stood on 'the front lines of the spiritual battle' and peformed magical deeds with and without witnesses - all for the pushing of the envelope just a little further.

I used to have a clear and 'certain' vision of the future, until I got here.

When the millennium came and went, so did a certain veil on my perceptions. The burden of a lifetime was lifted from me. I realized that though my warnings had gone pretty much ignored, it wasn't a total loss. The information had gotten out, even though my part in it was/is relatively unknown.

I realized that there were many human elements that WANT Armageddon! There are xtians who secretly wish to 'call down the wrath of God' upon those who don't agree with their twisted fear-based religion. There are 'men of power' who create things like a 'Missle Defence System' with a computer called "The Beast" with 666 for a number. They laugh about it still.

I also realized that some of these 'men of power' believe more strongly in 'kharma and retribution' than one might expect - because they have tipped the scales so negatively - and they are part of a grand scheme to fool not only man, but God as well. Even as a wise man would scoff at such audacity, it is nonetheless true.

When I 'lost the vision' or more correctly 'merged with it' I first thought that I'd pretty much gotten free of the burden of it, and that it was time for a new perspective. That was true, however my relief was short lived.

On 9/11 I like so many others watched a horror unfold, like a well scripted movie. I saw immmediately who and what was really responsible - not an uncommon belief at this point, and realized that my lack of vision wasn't so much that I'd 'lost it' but that I was IN IT! I couldn't see the forest for the trees.

I could have despaired. I could have retreated into a raving lunatic yelling at everybody "DOOM!" But instead I embraced a new vision.

There is a new time for man and earth. There is great turmoil, destruction, wars, pains and suffering, but amidst it all is a hope and promise that is alive. There is a newborn Spirit in man that is rising even as all of mans works from the most ancient to modern, are falling into dust and ashes.

I thank the universe (and God) for the opportunity to see and know. That which is currently 'unseen' by most, is also safe from that 'eye of Sauron' that seeks to destroy all free thought and action, because that 'eye' cannot see this new child of our spirit that is now born.

We now have a choice; we can recognize the situation - Great Change is upon us- even Armageddon for some -, and we can despair in the fear and sadness of the destruction and loss of life, or rejoice that the end of tyranny, oppression, and the RULE OF LAW is at hand.

We can try to hide from the inevitable, or we can embrace it, and move on to the next level. The next level is about faith, belief, and true Spiritual Magic of a kind that makes all the 'miracles' of an erroneous religion like Catholicism look like the shams and superstitious nonsense that they are.

The 'laws' of physics are subject to the will of the Creator. Man cannot overcome that Will through the sciences that study dead things and make conclusive assumptions of reality. Man may have the capabilty to 'destroy the earth' but without the will of the Creator, it will never happen.

Not only are the 'laws of physics' mutable by God, but by us as well. Quantum physics touches on the borders of this factor, but has the wrong prespective - there is no finite definition of the magic of creation - no numbers can illuminate the understanding, and the mathematics of concurrent scientific perspective, are failed tools that should be discarded.

We have such power to work within the realm of possibilty, that some day -when we have displaced the error with better understanding- we will transmute this entire reality into a 'higher vibrational existence.'

So we can choose 'Armageddon' (kill 'em all, let God sort it out) or choose to be part of the New Creation. Fear and apprehension is totally non-productive. Ones destiny - in the end is unavoidable (at this time) so why fear it? If we can influence or change the future towards this positive new beginning, we should at least try.

Whether or not I am believed is not so important to me as it was pre-millennium, because what will be will be. The facts are that we are in what Revelationists refer to as 'the last days.' We are at the point where the ancient Hopi's call 'the end of the 3rd world.' We are near the end of the oldest prophetic calendar known to man - The Mayan.

Every 'prophecy' that survived the centuries is pointing to right now - make no mistake, but these are all old, ambiguous visions of the ancients, incomplete, and tending to be rather one-sided in their interpretations.

I'll end with this thought;

In the Revelations of John - right at the very beginning (I believe -correct me if I'm wrong) it states "If the children of God (man) repent not, then these things will surely come to pass."

Repentance has many meanings, but basicly means that one stops error and starts correctness. Up to now there has not been enough of a collective consciousness to even understand what this means. It means that the prophecies are all warnings, not unavoidable. The fact that the ignorance of man is bringing Armageddon down upon us does not mean it is decided destiny- until our last breath we have choice - that is the nature of possibility becoming real.

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Comment #71 posted by global_warming on July 31, 2006 at 11:40:08 PT
maybe that deep end is better
than this de-sensitivity?

Life appears so fragile and over regulated, here in the good old USA, in other places, the bombs are falling, children are dyeing, without mercy or understanding, like the song said, the top 3% are enjoying, protecting their comfort level, I am grateful that this land has been spared the disease of intolerance, born white, I have not been working under the hot sun of the south, or the American Christian Way of doing business.

If there is some powerful God of this Universe, I pray that Gods Will be done, yet, that Father God did not take the bitter cup from Jesus, so it falls to our place, that we' those people who have a connection to this spiritual universe, it is us who can change this world.



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Comment #70 posted by mai_bong_city on July 31, 2006 at 11:34:52 PT
starting the week off right
i thought this was worth passing along on this monday. in peace, mbc

http://tinyurl.com/n6xhv

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Comment #69 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 11:16:45 PT
Global_Warming
I call it numb. We are becoming numb. If we don't become numb we will go off the deep end when things get this bad. That's how I feel. It's like we are walking around dazed like we are in a combat zone.

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Comment #68 posted by Global_Warming on July 31, 2006 at 11:12:41 PT
re: new song Don't Forget War
It poetry, pure genious, a mans voice and a guitar, wonderful minimalist, yet I do not enjoy it, it does not touch me, I have heard so many similar songs, maybe it feels good, but when the music is over and I look out the window, the destruction is in front of my eyes.



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Comment #67 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 11:08:34 PT
Wayne
It really is an interesting series. This revolution won't be televised but I believe it is growing in many different directions. People are revolting but you will need to find people that think like each of us does. I am really encouraging my husband to check into Vietnam Veterans Against The War. They will be at CSNY's Freedom of Speech Tour. Reforming the laws around Cannabis has been my focus but I don't think we will see any change until the Republicans aren't in power. Maybe someone should form a group called Democrats against Cannabis Prohibition. Or maybe Boomers ( I don't like that word. It makes me think we are fat or something ) Against Cannabis Prohibition. I'm just thinking out loud but we all should find a group and work with it. When it is all said and done we can change the direction we are headed.

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Comment #66 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 10:59:57 PT
Thanks, Dankhank.
The answer to my question. The penguin?

Why not?

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Comment #65 posted by dankhank on July 31, 2006 at 10:50:47 PT
busy, but ...
http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=1640

whig, it'll be in the mail today ...

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Comment #64 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 10:39:35 PT
Whig's "sad" strip says a lot....
Indeed it does.

What's the masked penguin business about?

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Comment #63 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 10:04:26 PT
I Honestly Don't Know How Much More I Can Take
Thanks Whig. I feel like that too.

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Comment #62 posted by museman on July 31, 2006 at 10:01:56 PT
whig
That comic says a lot.

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Comment #61 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 09:56:52 PT
Gunfight
Since I love horses I watched Westerns when I was young. I only wanted to see the horses not gunfights but one thing I always remembered was the ten paces turn and shoot. I thought at least that is a fair fight. The quickest to shoot will win. No honor in how we kill anymore because we have a kinder gentlier machine gun hand as Neil says.

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Comment #60 posted by whig on July 31, 2006 at 09:47:18 PT
Today's comic
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2006/07/31/tomo/story.jpg

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Comment #59 posted by whig on July 31, 2006 at 09:46:46 PT
War
What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing.

Say it again.

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Comment #58 posted by Wayne on July 31, 2006 at 09:45:24 PT
FoM
You gotta love the History Channel. I've been watching that series, too. If simple farmers were able to stand up to government aggression back then, there's no reason why we, as a more "advanced" society, can't do it now.

It has been said by several noted individuals that "a true Patriot must be ready to defend his people against its government." I'm always reminded of that when I watch that miniseries.

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Comment #57 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 09:39:34 PT
War
The old ways are passing away more and more everyday.

Just as they don't line up against each other out in the open for the blastfests and deathfests...fewer don't want to put a uniform on that makes them a target. It's nasty. Wars are part of the old ways that should be left behind.

War...what a stupid thing it is.

War should end. It doesn't work. It never has. It's just a device for killing.

Be where and with what you want to protect if it needs protecting.

Live and let live.

War is a useless and ugly business. It needs to go out of business...forever.

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Comment #56 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 09:06:22 PT
One More Comment
We have been watching a series on the History Channel called The Revolution. Soldiers wore uniforms so you knew who the enemy was. In this war in Iraq it's just like Vietnam. No one on the otherside wears uniforms. You don't know who the enemy is. That will cause paranoia and down right crazyiness. How can you fight an enemy when you can't even recognize them?

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Comment #55 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 09:02:45 PT
This is the link it played on for me.
http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/songslinks/songlink_010.html

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Comment #54 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 09:01:41 PT
Hope
What we do is like beating up a person with a vengeance and then supplying them with bandages to fix them up. We supply Israel with the weapons and bombs and then we want to fix up the people where the bombs hit. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Comment #53 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 08:57:08 PT
Wars
When all the mayhem started around Israel, I was in Missouri with my son and his family.

When my dear daughter in law...and she is dear...started talking about our government sending help, and how good, and gentle, and kind, and helpful of others our government is and how they want to help and rescue people...I just had to get up and leave the house for awhile.

She hasn't even noticed that our "good" government could care less about the slaughter and horror in countries that don't hold any financial interest for the wealthy among us.

It would have been like talking to a wall to have tried to get her to see what I see behind that facade.

It must be so comfortable living with that delusion.

I love Israel and would love for her to be blessed...but thinking that Bush's government is about helping the needy and helpless in the world was impossible to take and swallow whole.

I won't let war mongers, lies, and delusions start little wars in my family and life, if I can help it.



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Comment #52 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 08:52:14 PT
Hope
I have tried and just tried again to listen to Kris Kristofferson's song but it says I need a codec and I have no idea where to find it.

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Comment #51 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 08:40:19 PT
If you could use a cold chill....
http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwsongspage.html

Listen to Kris Kristofferson's In the News.

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Comment #50 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 08:30:40 PT
Hope
Really good comments. These are perilous times we are living in. I am not afraid for myself but I am afraid for people who live in the hot zones. I don't mean the temperature either. I saw people burning an Amercian flag on the news. I wasn't upset about it because they hate us for supplying the bombs that are killing their children. I honestly don't know how anyone can think we only have good motives in the world. What I believed we were is only an illusion. I can see so much clearer now. It really does make me sad. It's almost like losing a good friend.

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Comment #49 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 07:41:09 PT
War mongers should be free to kill and maim
each other and ONLY each other. We're so much better off without them. They are only a dark example of what should not be.

It's the peaceful and loving among us that they should not be able to touch with their bloodletting, hatred, and death and destruction. Would that that were possible. Would that that were possible. They can claw and bomb and kill each other if that's what they so desire...but keep their bloody claws away from the people of Love and Peace.

That's my desire. So simple. It would be beautiful indeed. A dream. A beautiful dream. It doesn't exist yet...but maybe someday it can.

Is there any Mercy? Is there any Love?

Yes. There is.

We're nourishing it and loving it and feeding it and letting it grow.

It's truly something wonderful. SOMETHING WONDERFUL! Something truly wonderful. And it's ours.

Something wonderful!

There's nothing wrong with that.

Something wonderful. Look for it always.

Something wonderful.

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Comment #48 posted by Hope on July 31, 2006 at 07:20:46 PT
Listening to Museman's "Freedom" on loop.
"Freedom" MUST NOT DIE! We CANNOT let "Freedom" die!

If only in our hearts...the people of freedom is who we are...Freedom must live on.

We will nurture and love it. We will protect it. Even if we have to hide it, sometimes, in our hearts and souls to keep it alive.

Freedom's spirit will never die and it will manifest its power again some beautiful, wonderful day.

The powerful of the world hate our Freedom. The Freedom of the common people. They do want to stamp it out. We must hold it safely in our hearts and keep it's seeds alive for the day when it will be loved and respected again... really and truly for all people, not just the powerful and few...in a way that it has never before.

We all here, believers or not, have been called to "preach" Love and Freedom. We, all of us, are doing a wonderful good job.

We are trying to wake people up. We are trying to destroy delusions. We want people to see the truth. Surely some are.

I sometimes wonder if that great "Tree of Life" that flourishes and nourishes us all is not Freedom itself.

Those of us who are believers surely know that Freedom was the gift bought on that hateful "tree of death" so many centuries ago.

Pity the demented and deluded fools who would take it from us.

Your voice and spirit are beautiful, Museman. Beautiful.

Sensimilla Jones, your paraphrase work is totally cool.

Thank you both and all, and I'm so thankful for you both...and all of you here who love Freedom, my brothers and sisters.

I'm so thankful for all of you. I would that God bless us...everyone of us...if it be His will...His great and beautiful and loving will be done.

All this death, war, and destruction is not of God.

God is Love.

May His power grow and grow and grow...forever and ever.

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Comment #47 posted by FoM on July 31, 2006 at 07:15:15 PT
Sinsemilla Jones
You're very welcome. Even when there isn't any news CNews has the greatest people.

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Comment #46 posted by mayan on July 31, 2006 at 05:30:16 PT
Off Topic
Trade leaders have rubbished a new report that ranks alcohol and tobacco as more harmful than LSD, ecstasy and cannabis (UK): http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=17967

MPs: Scrap useless drug classification (UK): http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1204508.ece

Ministers 'failed to warn public of cannabis risks' (UK): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/30/nweed30.xml

Green thumbs and bad attitudes: http://www.times-standard.com/local/ci_4114736

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Comment #45 posted by Wayne on July 31, 2006 at 05:19:23 PT
OT: NORML article
Here was a nice NORML article about how the US is sticking its hands in other countries' cookie jars. Marc Emery got honorable mention.

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Comment #44 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on July 31, 2006 at 03:45:35 PT
Thanks FoM! - A small modicum of entertainment....
for a great forum!

Bob Dobbs - That new Berlin Opera sounds like an old U.S. Rock Concert.

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Comment #43 posted by mayan on July 31, 2006 at 03:04:14 PT
They'll Get Spanked Again
Collins found that to uphold the law she would have to reverse a 1975 state Supreme Court decision, which she lacks the authority to do.

I highly doubt if the Alaska Supreme Court will reverse the decision handed down by the Alaska Supreme Court! It ought to be entertaining to watch the fascists get spanked again! They'll never learn.

For those who missed it, C-SPAN will be re-airing the 9/11 Scholars Symposium again on Tuesday at 6:10 PM/ET...

C-SPAN to broadcast 9/11 Scholars Symposium on Tuesday: http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=903

C-SPAN's Coverage of the American Scholars Symposium - Video Download (scroll down): http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/cspans-coverage-of-american-scholars.html

Don't forget to thank C-SPAN: Call C-Span Monday Morning: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/call-cspan-monday-morning.html

THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN...

A Theory That Just Won't Die: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2bcf9f07-6407-4b2c-9f4e-7d4a15afcb98&k=46273&p=1

Charlie Sheen's Crowd-Rousing Cameo at "9/11 and the Neocon Agenda" Conference: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060730215209146

Support a resolution calling for a 9/11 special: prosecutorhttp://www.usalone.net/cgi-bin/oen.cgi?qnum=219

Surf City Activists Host Movies Questioning What Happened on 9/11: http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/lets-roll-film/25554/

World Trade Center Building 7 and Financial Markets: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/48924/world_trade_center_building_7_and_financial.html

9/11 Reloaded (video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQdpClKhG8

Truth 9/11: http://truth911.net/

9/11 Courage: http://911courage.org/



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Comment #42 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on July 31, 2006 at 02:44:08 PT
Berlin Opera
An opera in Berlin is encouraging patrons to smoke joints, and says its performers will smoke joints onstage as well. They claim their "artistic licence" will protect them from the law. Ummmm... good luck with that...

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Comment #41 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2006 at 00:11:31 PT
Hope #27 & All: "Feel the Love Generation"
{ Bob Sinclar - Love Generation Western Dream 2006

[ Download MP3 «Love Generation» ] [ Download MP3 songs by Bob Sinclar ] [ Download album «Western Dream» ]

(Feat. Gary Pine)

(Bam, bam, baba bam, bam,) (baba bam, bam, baba bam babam.......)

From Jamaica to the world, It's just love, It's just love, Yeah!

Why must our children play in the streets, Broken hearts and faded dreams, Peace and love to everyone that you meet, Don't you worry, it could be so sweet, Just look to the rainbow, you will see Sun will shine till eternity, I've got so much love in my heart, No-one can tear it apart, Yeah,

Feel the love generation, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Feel the love generation, C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon yeah,

(Whistling.....)

Feel the love generation, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Feel the love generation, Ooohhh yeah-yeah,

Don't worry about a thing, It's gonna be alright, Don't worry about a thing, It's gonna be alright, Don't worry about a thing, It's gonna be alright, Gonna be, gonna, gonna, gonna be alright,

It's all love you know It's all love from I 'n' I to everyone We got to love But we got to love yeah There's no need to cry-a We got to love But we got to love yeah Gotta live that love ha heh You know what I'm talkin' about C'mon

Feel the love generation, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Feel the love generation, C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon yeah,

(Whistling.....)

Feel the love generation, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Feel the love generation, C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon yeah,

Feel the love generation, Ooohhh yeah-yeah, It's all love you know

Feel the love generation, We got to love We got to love But we got to love yeah Eah, eah, yeah, } Bob Sinclar - Love Generation Lyrics & mp3 music download http://top-lyrics.elizov.com/lyrics/Bob_Sinclar_-_Love_Generation.html

YouTube - Bob Sinclair - Love Generation Music Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4Jq7E92VY

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Comment #40 posted by goneposthole on July 30, 2006 at 19:05:01 PT
too bad Sam McGee didn't find oil
He would have been able to warm his weary bones a little more comfortably.

http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

ain't no energy crisis out there.

just a political crisis.

Sam McGee:

http://www.yukonman.com/sammcgee.asp

Sam McGee would have given Frank Murkowski a bust in the chops.

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Comment #39 posted by goneposthole on July 30, 2006 at 18:50:15 PT
not in Antarctica
it is minus 78 degrees Fahrenheit there today.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/AA.html

Send all Republicans to Antarctica to cool them down some.

The cannabis from California is great tasting this year. go on out there and get you some.

think in terms of post DEA, prohibition, law enforcement realities.

The days of prohibition are numbered. Really, they are.

the dinosaur's tail will fail and whip uncontrollably for a while before it dies, but it finally dies.

prohibitionists and the US gov will be inconsolable for awhile, but they'll get over it.

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Comment #38 posted by whig on July 30, 2006 at 18:18:31 PT
museman
That was beautiful, man. As we were listening a baby started wailing next door. It just seemed so appropriate, like it should be part of the song, and so it was for us.

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Comment #37 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 18:13:06 PT
museman
Great! Thank you so much. Please send it to Neil too.

Incase you missed this.

I can't find the page where were talking about one of your songs hopefully being put on Neil Young's LWW Today web site! It's there now!

Way to go!

Freedom by FAM:

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/songslinks/songlink_140.html

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwsongspage.html

http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread22029.shtml#28

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Comment #36 posted by museman on July 30, 2006 at 17:57:04 PT
FoM: - OT
It's been too hot for me.

I did however, sort of accept your 'challenge' to write an 'anti-war' song, (a new one at least) so here it is.

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Comment #35 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 17:54:33 PT
Off Topic: Police Drug Testing
75 Boston Officers Fail Drugs Tests Since 1999

July 30, 2006

BOSTON -- Seventy-five Boston police officers have failed drug tests since the department started screening for drugs in 1999, and 26 have been fired after flunking a second test, according to department statistics.

An additional 20 of the officers who tested positive resigned because they could not handle the followup checks, acting Police Commissioner Albert Goslin said.

The failed tests included 61 for cocaine, 14 for marijuana, two for Ecstasy, and one for heroin, according to the data obtained by the Boston Sunday Globe through a public records request. Some officers had more than one drug in their system. The force has about 2,000 sworn officers.

Complete Article:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/07/30/75_boston_officers_fail_drugs_tests_since_1999/

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Comment #34 posted by Wayne on July 30, 2006 at 17:03:21 PT
public enemy #1
It just amazes me. I thought it was bad even when I was a kid. Now kids are faced with students shooting each other in the hallways, teen pregnancy and STDs are rampant, child predators are grabbing kids online and making mincemeat out of them, heroin and meth are still hooking and killing people by the thousands, and now 'pharming' parties are killing teenagers one by one.

And yet, after all that, 'reefer' is still America's #1 drug problem.

Either these people never tried anything new or risky in their lives, or they never had kids. Or it's got to be the money. I just refuse to believe that ANYONE can be that obtuse and oblivious for no reason.

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Comment #33 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 16:43:55 PT
Sinsemilla Jones
That's good.

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Comment #32 posted by Sinsemilla Jones on July 30, 2006 at 16:19:24 PT
To paraphrase Robert Service....
There are strange things done in the midnight sun

by the men who moil for gold

The Arctic trails have their secret tales

that would let your rights be sold

The Northern Lights have seen queer sights

but the queerest they ever did see

Was that night in Juneau

Without any woe

The Constitution was cremated by Frank Murkowski

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Comment #31 posted by Hope on July 30, 2006 at 16:07:21 PT
B4Daylight
I shudder to think. But you know there are more like him out there.

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Comment #30 posted by b4daylight on July 30, 2006 at 16:02:42 PT
I123
I wonder how many people are gonna vote this person back?

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Comment #29 posted by Hope on July 30, 2006 at 15:54:55 PT
Goneposthole Comment 16
"If cannabis were completely legal, then the 22 year-old Fairbanksite would be still alive, able to grow his own at a low cost, and forego the dangers of the black market. there wouldn't be any."

Why can't they see that, Goneposthole?

Why can't they see that? It's so obvious.

What's blinding them?

Is it love of money?

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Comment #28 posted by whig on July 30, 2006 at 15:42:19 PT
Hope
Not so much a leaf, but a flower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdirsSo-B_0

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Comment #27 posted by Hope on July 30, 2006 at 15:26:52 PT
Afterburner comment 9
It's about Love, Old Friend. It's about Love.

Wrath is the fullfillment of angry thoughts, I think.

I'm angry. I'm indignant at the works of the sadists and the works that, even now, transpire in their black hearts...but I'm glad I only have the anger...and not the power of wrath and vengence. That is God's, and thankfully, He is reluctant to use it. I don't wish our enemies harm. I just wish them to stop being our enemies.

If they could find it in their hearts to love those they persecute, even the piddling amount of love that I am able to love them with, I would be happy.

Jesus had a hope and a dream. He had a plan. It was, indeed, about Love...and so many people who claim to know him...don't have a clue about his plan at all. It's apparently so easy for men and women of power to hate and punish and kill...and so hard for them to feel or find the tender light of real love for "one another".

I've been here. I've just been quiet. Watching. Thinking. Learning. Enduring. Growing. I hope.

They "Abuse" men and women for what they say is "abuse" of a leaf. A leaf.



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Comment #26 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 14:42:25 PT
Whig
I never voted either. Just one time before Kerry in all these years. I understand why you won't vote. I wouldn't even consider voting now if things weren't as bad as they are.

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Comment #25 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 14:35:28 PT
in that bitter meantime
the prisons are so full,

all this talking about politics

is just some frightened rhetoric

Cannabis users are not to feared,

There is much darkness in our world,

It comes from our souls,

Be not afraid,

The Stars Twinkle above your head



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Comment #24 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 14:14:32 PT
then line up
for your death will not count,

it will not be measured in the infinite grains of sand,

there is no record that you ever protested,



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Comment #23 posted by whig on July 30, 2006 at 14:07:41 PT
gw
I do choose -- not to vote.

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Comment #22 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 13:53:47 PT
the death of jesus
was the start of the third party

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Comment #21 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 13:42:50 PT
Whig
I don't know enough about politics to even think of more then two parties. No one I know thinks of anything but the two parties. I just want to see a separation between them.

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Comment #20 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 13:40:19 PT
whigger
you have to choose,

we all have to choose



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Comment #19 posted by whig on July 30, 2006 at 13:35:11 PT
FoM
For there to be a difference between the parties there have to be three or more, two tend always to move toward one another to capture as much of the other's ground as possible. Think of it like a refreshment stand on the beach -- one stand can go anywhere it wants, though the center is where the average person will have to walk the shortest distance so that's where it will tend to be. A second refreshment stand ought to be directly to the left or to the right of the first, so it is closest to half the people. A third refreshment stand, however, requires the placements be arranged at some distance from one another because otherwise the center stand will be closest to nobody.

Three parties spreads them out but in an electoral system where the largest plurality takes all, there is only room for two.

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Comment #18 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 13:13:56 PT
Cannabis Shall For Eternity Be Free
The only price shall be,

In the Eternal Passage of all of our young souls,

As we grasp the Eternal,

As we grasp our place at the table of clean linen.



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Comment #17 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 13:03:28 PT
murkowski
is a bastard child of the old ways,

he will die a pitiful death, and all his family, along with the bush family, who would better serve this world as mulch or compost.



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Comment #16 posted by goneposthole on July 30, 2006 at 12:55:33 PT
if he is so concerned about the law
then he should really be concerned about protecting human life.

if cannabis were completely legal, then the 22 year-old Fairbanksite would be still alive, able to grow his own at a low cost, and forego the dangers of the black market. there wouldn't be any.

if Mr. Murkowski were really concerned about the citizens in the state of Alaska, he would have a positive point of view about legalization of cannabis.

Mr. Murkowski is only concerned about the power trip he is tripping on.

the power drug should be illegal.

Mr. Murkowski seems content in hijacking the rights of individuals.

time for a new Magna Carta.

(45) "We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or other officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well."

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Comment #15 posted by global_warming on July 30, 2006 at 12:52:40 PT
It Feels like the sun is going supernova
It is hot and getting hotter,

all over this world,



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Comment #14 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 12:37:00 PT
billos
I agree with you. One of the major gripes about a two party system is they both are the same. A line must separate them. They shouldn't be close in their ideals or it's a one party system. What is a dictatorship? Is it a one party system? I don't know.

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Comment #13 posted by billos on July 30, 2006 at 12:21:21 PT
FoM
I hope to say G'Bye to traitor Joe here in CT also. He is now going around saying that Saddam had to be removed but doesn't support what we are doing now because we have no exit strategy. The lying fool started out saying he fully supported the "war" because we are at war with the "terroists" and he was brown-nosing Bush thinking Bush was going to offer him a job in D.C.. Different tune today, I really hope he loses. 18 years of nothing but ripping us off for a paycheck.

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Comment #12 posted by JSM on July 30, 2006 at 11:45:16 PT
Kapt...
I just wish I could find some good Indica....

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Comment #11 posted by FoM on July 30, 2006 at 11:26:35 PT
Bye Bye Bye Bye Senator Lieberman
I had to say that. He is a Republican in a Democrats clothes. I think Bill Clinton is more a Republican too. I want to see a split between the two parties big time.

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Comment #10 posted by Global_Warming on July 30, 2006 at 11:15:20 PT
Wonder what Mr. Lieberman's views are on Cannabis
http://tinyurl.com/foyu7

I suspect the uprooting of this old democrat is going to upset the republicans, but times are changing and old ways must yield to newer ways of thinking.



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Comment #9 posted by afterburner on July 30, 2006 at 11:09:03 PT
Hope #4
Welcome back. You may find this interesting if you haven't been reading here lately:

In Gal 5:19-21 we see a whole list of behaviors identified as "works of the flesh": "Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." --Quote from US OK: Killing The Dragon

Excerpts [posted by afterburner]: http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22014.shtml#96

When Jesus said "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill," (Matthew 5:17) do we suppose that he was endorsing "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth," or was He revealing the "Gospel" of Love?

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Comment #8 posted by Dr Ganj on July 30, 2006 at 10:48:46 PT
Price of Marijuana
Let me quote this from above: "Murkowski said a recent murder in Fairbanks of a 22-year-old man authorities believe had not paid his marijuana bill, speaks to the need for tougher laws."

Now I wonder if this murder would have occurred if marijuana were legal, and inexpensive? I'll wager no. So, here we have another example of a life taken because of the inflated price of a plant because it is illegal. Now, what's worse- murder, or cheap cannabis at the stores?

These politicians are so ignorant of the facts, it amazes me they can even tie their shoes before going to work.

I'm sure glad I live in California where I don't have to worry about having 4 ounces of groovy buds.

When will this world finally realize marijuana is beautiful, and is a gateway drug to enlightenment?

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Comment #7 posted by kaptinemo on July 30, 2006 at 10:38:37 PT:

So, it's 'potency', huh?
Okay, then how about this: Brandy (generally around 80 proof) is more potent than wine (24 -28 proof). Vodka (90 proof) is more potent than brandy. 151 proof rum is more potent than vodka. So where's the public hue and cry to ban anything more potent than wine? Isn't there.

Why not? Because the public wants a wide spectrum of available flavors and strengths of alcoholic beverages. Just as cannabists have their tastes and preferences of strength as well. If I have a hard time sleeping, I use an indica. If I have a mental block, I use a sativa.

And if Governor Murkowski wants to debate the basis for his claim about cannabis being stronger today than yesterday, he should have a bottle of ketchup ready for the crow he's about to eat; there has never been a baseline established for THC content dating from the time period he insists upon using as a benchmark.

Zero. Zip. Nada. Nichivo. Nothing. So where does he pull these 'facts' from? If I'm right, the only normal reason anyone would reach back there is to apply toilet paper.

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Comment #6 posted by Wayne on July 30, 2006 at 10:33:50 PT
blatant hidden agenda
So what ever happened to the meth issue? I thought that Gov. Murkowski's bill was originally passed to combat meth? He tacked a marijuana provision in on the end of it to 'sneak' it through the legislature.

Is he really that concerned about meth, or was it just an easy way to push through his real agenda? Someone up there should really ask him the question, "What happened to the meth portion of the bill?"

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Comment #5 posted by afterburner on July 30, 2006 at 10:05:29 PT
Gov. Murkowski says, "blah-blah-blah."
"children" blah-blah-blah. In other words, the Governor does not trust parents to raise their own children. The court ruling was regarding privacy in adult homes!

"murder" blah-blah-blah. Turf wars and "drug" deals gone bad are logical consequences of a government that encourages the continuation of a black market by supporting prohibition. The government is handing the keys to criminals by refusing to regulate and tax.

"potency" blah-blah-blah. Another consequence of rabid prohibition. Less product to carry. On the plus side, less need to partake of larger quanties to get the desired medical, spiritual, or social effect. Cannabis is not demon rum or whiskey, Jack.

"Even though numerous studies have challenged the assertion that marijuana is a gateway drug, the federal government’s obsession with marijuana use continues as the problems with methamphetamine and cocaine worsen." --Had Enough's link

Of course, meth and coke problems worsen. The secret government wants it that way. What better way to build up their black-ops slush fund? What better way to create an army of addict-snitches to break the legalization movement and the Constitution?

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Comment #4 posted by Hope on July 30, 2006 at 09:16:26 PT
Sadists
Prohibitionists are sadists supreme.

They say they want to help people...it's part of their sadistical game. But they are really hurting people all over the place...and they are taking huge satisfaction from the pain and horror they cause.

That's all they are. Sadists. Pure and true.

Sadists are sick. But they are dangerous.

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Comment #3 posted by Had Enough on July 30, 2006 at 08:27:29 PT
Gov. Murkowski says a lot of things.

Gov. Murkowski says a lot of things.

CAGW Names Gov. Murkowski Porker of the Month

January 20, 2006

(Washington, D.C.) - Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today named Alaska Gov. Frank Murkowski (R) Porker of the Month for backing construction of the infamous “Bridges to Nowhere” and proposing a taxpayer-funded public relations campaign to repair the damage that the bridges helped inflict on Alaska’s national reputation….

and…

Congress designated $452 million in the six-year Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Act: A Legacy for Users (P.L. 109-59) for the two bridges: $229 million for the Gravina Island Bridge, connecting Gravina Island (pop. 50) to the town of Ketchikan; and $223 million for the Knik Arm Bridge, renamed Don Young’s Way after House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska). The former would replace a five-minute ferry ride while the latter would serve as an alternative route from Anchorage to a nearly deserted port. The bridges became a symbol for congressional excess in the pork-stuffed transportation bill….

and…

Last week, Gov. Murkowski announced a $1.2 billion state budget surplus. He proposed spending part of that windfall to hire a public relations firm to counter the perception that Alaska politicians milk taxpayers. …

and..

For favoring wasteful pork-barrel projects that may also benefit his own family, proposing the use of tax dollars in a hopeless attempt to prove that Alaska politicians are not porkers, and especially on behalf of its 2,733 members and supporters in Alaska, CAGW names Gov. Frank Murkowski Porker of the Month for January 2006.

Read all about it….

http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9552

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This is interesting too.

CAGW Report Calls Drug Policies a Waste

June 26, 2006

“Billions of dollars marked for the war on drugs are being wasted on ineffective and counterproductive policies,” CAGW President Tom Schatz said. ….

and…

The federal government’s war on drugs includes tracking down and persecuting patients using medicinal marijuana in states where it is legal. Even though numerous studies have challenged the assertion that marijuana is a gateway drug, the federal government’s obsession with marijuana use continues as the problems with methamphetamine and cocaine worsen. …

http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9940

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Comment #2 posted by unkat27 on July 30, 2006 at 08:02:17 PT
frank murkowski IS A VULTURE
""Murkowski said a recent murder in Fairbanks of a 22-year-old man authorities believe had not paid his marijuana bill, speaks to the need for tougher laws.""

-- Note how they use the word "believes". In real American justice, this means nothing. In a court of law, substantial facts are required to make a guilty case. In police-state fascist doublespeak, it insinuates enough to burn the suspect.

I think there should be an independent investigation to see how much Murkowski and his henchmen profit from the war on drugs, specifically cannabis busts, and how many people (and who) he would be able to destroy if given the green-light to do so.

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Comment #1 posted by MikeEEEEE on July 30, 2006 at 06:49:06 PT
vulnerable people who are victimized by the dealer
The very rules (prohibition) allow the victimization and corruption, by an unregulated business. Gov. Frank has made it his personal crusade to break the Alaskan constitution.

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