Cannabis News Students for Sensible Drug Policy
  Blowing Smoke
Posted by CN Staff on March 21, 2006 at 21:37:25 PT
By Ryan Grim 
Source: Slate 

drug_testing USA -- Drug testing of the American public has been steadily broadening over the past 20 years, from soldiers to grocery baggers to high-school and middle-school students. In its 2007 budget, the Bush administration asks for $15 million to fund random drug testing of students—if approved, a 50 percent increase over 2006. Officials from the federal drug czar's office are crisscrossing the country to sell the testing to school districts.

Yet, according to the two major studies that have been conducted on student testing, it doesn't actually reduce drug use. "Of most importance, drug testing still is found not to be associated with students' reported illicit drug use—even random testing that potentially subjects the entire student body," determined the authors of the most recent study.

It seems like common sense that if students are warned they could be caught getting high any day in school, they'd be less likely to risk it. And principals and the drug czar's office argue that this random chance "gives kids a reason to say no." But teens are notorious for assuming that nothing bad will happen to them. Sure, some people get caught, but not me. In addition, a student who chooses to do drugs already has more than a random chance of getting caught—adults are everywhere in this world. Someone could see her, smell smoke, see her bloodshot eyes, or wonder what the hell is so funny. And since most schools test only students who do something more than just show up for class—like join an after-school club, park on campus, or play a sport—kids can avoid the activities rather than quit puffing. Testing may not change much more of the equation than that.

Such are the findings of two major studies. The first study, published in early 2003, looked at 76,000 students in eighth, 10th, and 12th grades in hundreds of schools, between the years 1998 and 2001. It was conducted by Ryoko Yamaguchi, Lloyd Johnston, and Patrick O'Malley out of the University of Michigan, which also produces Monitoring the Future, the university's highly regarded annual survey of student drug use, which is funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and whose numbers the White House regularly cites.

The early 2003 Michigan study compared the rates of drug use, as measured by Monitoring the Future, in schools that did some type of drug testing to schools that did not. The researchers controlled for various demographic differences and found across the board that drug testing was ineffective; there was no statistically significant difference in the number of users at a school that tested for drugs and a similar school that didn't.

The White House criticized the Michigan study for failing to look at the efficacy of random testing. So, Yamaguchi, Johnston, and O'Malley added the random element and ran their study again, this time adding data for the year 2002. The follow-up study, published later in 2003, tracked 94,000 middle- and high-school students. It reached the same results as its precursor. Even if drug testing is done randomly and without suspicion, it's not associated with a change in the number of students who use drugs in any category. The Michigan follow-up found one exception: In schools that randomly tested students, 12th-graders were more likely to smoke marijuana.

Results like these would mean budget cuts or death for some government programs. The White House has devised its own rating system, known as the Program Assessment Rating Tool, to help it cull failed initiatives. (These generally turn out to be the type of programs you wouldn't expect a Republican administration to like, but that's another story.) In 2002, PART deemed "ineffective" the Safe and Drug Free Schools State Grants program, the umbrella for school drug testing. The Office of Management and Budget, which runs the PART evaluations, writes on its Web site, "The program has failed to demonstrate effectiveness in reducing youth drug use, violence, and crime." The PART evaluation did not single out drug testing, which is a small part of the overall state grants program. Still, combined with the Michigan studies, what we have here is a bureaucratic pounding. That hasn't stopped President Bush from sounding an upbeat note. In his 2004 State of the Union, he said, "I proposed new funding to continue our aggressive, community-based strategy to reduce demand for illegal drugs. Drug testing in our schools has proven to be an effective part of this effort."

Pressed for evidence to support the administration's bid to increase funds for testing, drug officials challenge the Michigan study's methodology. Drug czar John Walters has called for "detailed pre- and post-random testing data"—that is, a study of the rate of drug use at a school before a random testing program was initiated and then again afterward. Such a study is currently under way with federal funds, but it comes with a built-in flaw. Drug-use rates are obtained in questionnaires that school administrators give to students. If the administrators are asking students about their drug-use habits while they have the power to randomly test them, how honest can we expect the students to be, no matter what anonymity they're promised?

Like Walters, the $766 million drug-testing industry isn't ready to give up on testing students, for which it charges between $14 and $30 a cupful of pee. Melissa Moskal, executive director of the 1,300-member Drug and Alcohol Testing Industry Association, pointed me to a preliminary study that she likes better than Michigan's and that Walters also frequently references. The study is funded by the Department of Education and produced by the Institute for Behavior and Health, and its lead author is Robert DuPont, a former White House drug official. DuPont is also a partner at Bensinger, DuPont & Associates. DuPont says that Bensinger "doesn't have anything to do with drug testing." But the company's Web site states: "BDA offers a range of products designed to help employers establish and manage workplace drug and alcohol testing programs."

DuPont's study, which he calls "descriptive," chose nine schools that met certain criteria, the first of which was, "The student drug testing program's apparent success." The study's methodology appears to add to the slant. Rather than gathering information from students and analyzing it, DuPont relies on a questionnaire that asks how effective administrators think their random drug-testing program is. He doesn't claim neutrality. "I can't quite get the argument that [drug testing] wouldn't work," he says. He's now working on an evaluation of eight schools. The results won't be ready soon, but let's venture a prediction: Random drug testing will come out looking good.

Related in Slate

In 2002, Dahlia Lithwick filed two dispatches from the Supreme Court on the controversial decision to allow drug testing of high-school students who participate in extracurriculars: "The holding in Board of Education of Pottawatomie County v. Earls shouldn't just enrage students and parents unwilling to see their kids shamed just for joining the band. It should terrify any of us who fear that in promoting a War on Something, the court might be prepared to suspend all rules of constitutional interpretation based on the preposterous legal theory that 'Heck, we oughtta try something.' " In 2003, Maia Szalavitz discussed how putting your teen in drug treatment actually could make them more prone to future addiction.

Ryan Grim writes for the Washington City Paper.

Note: Why random drug testing doesn't reduce student drug use.

URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2138399/

Source: Slate (US Web)
Author: Ryan Grim
Published: Tuesday, March 21, 2006
Copyright: 2006 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLC
Contact: letters@slate.com
Website: http://www.slate.com/

CannabisNews Drug Testing Archives
http://cannabisnews.com/news/list/drug_testing.shtml


Home    Comment    Email    Register    Recent Comments    Help

 
Comment #55 posted by Hope on March 23, 2006 at 13:48:34 PT
mething with the deputies
If it did happen...I wish people wouldn't do things like that.

It might be spiteful and appeal to someone's sense of humor...but it's not right. It doesn't help us get saner as a people at all.

Now there is only going to be like bottled sealed controlled public food.

Dang. That doesn't sound like fun to me.

No...perhaps they don't "respect" you.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be the type of person who respects others and their dignity.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #54 posted by Hope on March 23, 2006 at 13:43:42 PT
Neglected dogs make you pay.
Not letting Snowy out for his evening tour before I went to bed last night, he whimpered and rustled a bit during the night. I remember whimpering something about somebody else letting him out...please.

He, Snowy, greeted me this morning, right out of bed....not even out of bed yet....chewing the beads off a favorite, very wet shoe this morning.

He'd obviously been "laying for me" and saved removing the beads for a best effect(sound wise) time....when he was sure I was awake.

That'll teach me!

Neglected children make you pay more, much more.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #53 posted by observer on March 23, 2006 at 12:00:51 PT
Mething with the Sheriff
http://www.kptm.com/news/local/2508801.html

Sarpy County Sheriff's Deputies Poisoned

Two Sarpy County Sheriff's Deputies were apparently intentionally poisoned with methamphetamine in their food. Sarpy County Sheriff Jeff Davis tells KPTM that the deputies became sick after eating food at an area restaurant last week. He also says that one tested positive for methamphetamine today. Three deputies were eating at that restaurant, two of the deputies were in uniform at the time.

The deputies have recovered, and weren't seriously hurt. An investigative team made up of other agencies outside Sarpy County is tracking leads in the case. Sheriff Davis did tell KPTM that appears the poisoning was intentional.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #52 posted by Had Enough on March 23, 2006 at 04:56:31 PT
Testing for the Masses
Comment 48 & 49. That sums it up pretty good. There are no words left to add.

Comment 51. That is interesting. I wonder if the offspring of offical authorities are being arrested too.

Just wondering.

Have a good day everybody.

Don't forget to Register and Vote. Take a friend with you, and share the ride.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #51 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 23:04:06 PT
OT: Texas arresting people in bars for being drunk
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060322/us_nm/bars_dc

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (Reuters) - Texas has begun sending undercover agents into bars to arrest drinkers for being drunk, a spokeswoman for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission said on Wednesday.

The first sting operation was conducted recently in a Dallas suburb where agents infiltrated 36 bars and arrested 30 people for public intoxication, said the commission's Carolyn Beck.

Being in a bar does not exempt one from the state laws against public drunkenness, Beck said.



[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #50 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 21:10:23 PT
Big Pharma Anti-Depressants
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965822/

Antidepressants fail to cure the symptoms of major depression in half of all patients with the disease even if they receive the best possible care, according to a definitive government study released yesterday.

Significant numbers of patients continue to experience symptoms such as sadness, low energy and hopelessness after intensive treatment, even as about an equal number report an end to such problems -- a result that quickly lent itself to interpretations that the glass was either half empty or half full.

The $35 million taxpayer-funded study was the largest trial of its kind ever conducted. It provided what industry-sponsored trials have rarely captured: Rather than merely ask whether patients are getting better, the study asked what patients most care about -- whether depression can be made to disappear altogether.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #49 posted by John Tyler on March 22, 2006 at 20:08:21 PT
drug testing industry
The drug testing industry wants to maintain it growth. Lately, it has saturated the market. Their growth has slowed. They see the next area to be in large scale testing of school kids. They got some favorable rulings in the past about testing certain groups of students so now they want to expand that to a “random sampling” of the whole student body. I think wealthy political insiders largely own the drug testing industry. They are having their politicians, who they have supported, put up money to test the kids, which in turn will create more profits for the drug testing industry. Everybody gets richer except the taxpayers who don’t understand what is going on. It’s not about helping the kids or keeping kids off of drugs or anything like that, it’s about making more and more money and messing other people up in the process. Here is the big fallacy with this whole deal. The only thing that they will be able to detect, of course, is cannabis. Everything else is water soluble, and passes out of the body in 24 hours. So you can party on Friday with anything but cannabis and test clean on Monday. High school sucks pretty much everywhere anyway and this is not going to help it. I can see a lot of parents taking their kids on the home schooling route. The gov. will still waste lots and lots of money on this. The usual folks will get lots of money from it and there will pretty much be no change in drug usage or what the gov. thinks drug usage is, but it will be declared a success.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #48 posted by mayan on March 22, 2006 at 17:59:06 PT
Social Conditioning
Yet, according to the two major studies that have been conducted on student testing, it doesn't actually reduce drug use.

Drug testing is not about stopping or reducing drug use. It's all about conditioning young people not to expect any rights,liberty or privacy whatsoever when they grow up!

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #47 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 15:09:46 PT
Whig
I haven't followed Aids since my son passed away. It was over for me and all I did and read and studied didn't help. I'm sure those who are helpng Aids patients out west are more in tune with Cannabis then the east coast.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #46 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 15:07:18 PT
This Impressed Me
I just saw a commercial on the tv news and went to their web site. I think it's good to see them standing againt Bush since most evangelicals poo poo global warming. I know because I was one of them a long time ago. Why worry about what we do to the earth because the end is near is the way it was when I went to church.

http://www.christiansandclimate.org/

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #45 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:58:56 PT
FoM
I don't really know, but I think the ACT UP SF people are more credible to me in some sense because they are helping people get cannabis as medicine, whereas the more "mainstream" ACT UP groups don't promote cannabis, they advocate AZT and HAART and all the rest of the cocktails. And the ACT UP SF people don't believe HIV causes AIDS.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #44 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 14:45:20 PT
Hope
It sounds like you have a good relationship with your son. That's great.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #43 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 14:41:19 PT
Whig
I don't know about AZT causing AIDS because my son shunned drugs until after he got his first serious opportunistic infection and AZT wasn't used. He was put on Bactrim and had an almost fatal reaction to it and had to stop taking it. He only used vitamins and some herbs but mostly nothing. He only used AZT for a few months closer to his death when there was nothing else to try since his T Cell count was very bad.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #42 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:31:53 PT
Do you trust Donald Rumsfeld with your health?
Tamiflu could cause quite an epidemic.

Very useful when they run out of steam on their present disaster course.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #41 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:26:54 PT
Gilead
The company's name and logo refer to the Balm of Gilead. Gilead (a place mentioned in the Bible) was famed for its small trees that produced a resin used in medicine. The leaf in the logo symbolizes healing, life and growth, while the shield represents safety, strength and honor. Together they signify Gilead's efforts to use the healing power of science to create medicines that treat life-threatening diseases.

In January 1997, Donald Rumsfeld, a Board member since 1988, was appointed Chairman of the company. He stood down from the Board in January 2001 when appointed Secretary of Defense at the start of George W. Bush's first term as President. Rumsfeld remains the major stockholder.

In November 2005, George W. Bush urged Congress to pass 7.1 billion in emergency funding to prepare for the possible bird flu pandemic, of which one billion is solely dedicated to the purchase, and distribution of Tamiflu, which was developed by Gilead.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #40 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 14:24:41 PT
Irony.
"When they are a twenty one year old, and three hundred pounds of muscle as college linebacker working as a bouncer at an all night club in an area of a just across a border lawless no man's land, nine hundred miles away from you, knowledge of that situation is right there with you."

The irony of not supporting him in his desire to play drums.

One of the cadre of excuses that I had to resist it was...I didn't want him playing drums in some sleazy, dark dive of a honky tonk for extra money when he was seventeen years old like my dear, beautiful, late cousin. (They had only just begun to use drums in main stream churches at that time and they didn't in our church, except for some extravaganza of some kind.

I always played with my son...every day. We ran. We romped. We played hiding seek. We danced and wondered at the amzazing discoveries of nature together. We went fishing. We danced and played games. We read stories. We memorized and learned things.

When I went to work again, fulltime, after being with him most of the time in his early years, he worried me in that he was losing something special that he had had before I started spending so much time away from him.

An elderly, sweet, dear, caring, loving, cooking lady stayed with him and his sister while I worked and he became more sedentary. Watched more TVand ate more, causing him to put on a little weight, which worried me, because I had to be careful to keep from getting "surprisingly" plump, myself.

I'm a little bit athletic myself so I encouraged him to be athletic. He was amazing. Not in that glorious Adonis looking natural athlete looking kid that could throw a ball astoundingly well, time after time. But he was an amazing athlete.

He was a wonderful athlete in that he was not an all that much natural athlete guy like can be fairly prominent in the sports world, but in the "I can't believe that kid just did that!", "Did you just see what that kid did?" kind of athlete. The "Oh, my gosh!" kind of athlete that could make tears spring from your eyes at the beauty of it.

And consistently, too.

He paid his way through college a lot when he honed those skills he had found and honed and honed and honed...from every direction, and up and down and back forth.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #39 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:21:08 PT
Follow the dots
Maybe AZT causes AIDS.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #38 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:18:36 PT
Bird Flu
May I suggest staying far away from Tamiflu, by the way.

It causes hepatitis, among other things.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #37 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:12:36 PT
FoM
Maybe HIV has nothing to do with AIDS.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #36 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 14:10:49 PT
Whig
Oh AZT is a terrible drug. The drugs do speed up the death of an AIDS patient. I have no doubt about that. Men that smoked Cannabis in my son's apartment complex and refused drugs lived much longer and healthier. My son died before Prop 215 so I didn't realize then what I know now.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #35 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:10:29 PT
Another link ACT-UP SF
http://www.actupsf.com/faq/index.htm

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #34 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 14:06:06 PT
FoM
I know it's a touchy thing to discuss, so please don't be upset with me. AZT is what I think kills.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #33 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 14:03:04 PT
Whig
No I never saw it. I just watched the trailer but I don't know what point they are trying to make. A person gets full blown AIDS when they get their first opportunistic infection. Generally a persons health goes down hill fairly quickly from the first opportunistic infection which was when my son got sick was Pneumocystis Pneumonia. When the disease was first noticed it was Kaposi's Sarcoma. That's when they stop calling it HIV and call it AIDS.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #32 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 13:50:12 PT
FoM
Have you seen this film?

http://www.theothersideofaids.com/home.html

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #31 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 13:36:09 PT
whig
Thank you. He really was a good, kind and polite son. Everyone loved him. He worked in a restaurant in West Hollywood part time while he was going to Cal State North Ridge. He was really bothered by the homeless people. He decided to do something special for them. He brought them in and sat them down and paid for and served them a good meal. He did that many times. Besides feeding them he saw them smile and that made him feel good.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #30 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 13:33:15 PT
Hope
Yeah, I thought about the goat too, and I'm not encouraging them to drop their suit. Besides, it's early stages, and it's standard practice to throw all kinds of arguments at the wall and see what sticks. There might be a good equal protection case to be made there, and I only read the summary, which might not be a fair description of the claims.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #29 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 13:28:39 PT
FoM
I know your son is proud of you.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #28 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 13:18:35 PT
It's illness...teeth...eyes...cars...growing up.
And Heartaches. Oh how their heartaches tear at your soul and their victories and successes are such magnificent times of great mutual joy and celebration.

It's truly, "magnificent" to see your child master his first bicycle. And that's just the little stuff.

Nobody can grieve you like your child...and nobody can give you greater joy in this life than what they can.

If you don't have a child...there is likely someone in your life, if you are blessed, that has the same effect on you.

Love. It's a remarkable thing.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #27 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 13:12:05 PT
eighteen years and rolling
When they are tiny, it's crib death that's always in the back of your mind.

When they are a twenty one year old, and three hundred pounds of muscle as college linebacker working as a bouncer at an all night club in an area of a just across a border lawless no man's land, nine hundred miles away from you, knowledge of that situation is right there with you.

Football was hard on me as a mother. "Clothesline" lingered in the back of mind like "crib death" did during the first few years.

And there's no gaps of being carefree in between. It's illness...teeth...eyes...cars...growing up. It's beautiful, though...or we wouldn't be able to bear it.

The club he worked in was an old one and a very popular one. There were tales of Al Capone and prohibition, and later...vending machines and on and on. Lot's of praying involved in that.

Later, it's their jobs, their bills, their children, their pressures, their gains and losses.

My grandmother says you worry about them even when they are old enough to draw Social Security.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #26 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 12:59:02 PT
Whig
"It's not doing someone a favor if you see them beating their head against the wall and you don't suggest to them they might hurt themselves."

Wasn't there something about a goat and a dam in the Rubber Tree song?

When you see someone like that, maybe he just needs a bit more help butting that "wall" or "dam".

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #25 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 12:34:55 PT
Bloomberg: ACLU Lawsuit
ACLU Challenges Drugs-Related Ban on U.S. Student Aid

***

March 22 (Bloomberg) -- The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit seeking to overturn a U.S. law that makes students ineligible for federally backed college loans once they have been convicted on a drug charge.

The suit, filed today in U.S. District Court in South Dakota, contends the law enacted in 1998 violates due-process and double-jeopardy provisions of the U.S. Constitution. It names U.S. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings as the defendant. The department has no comment on the case, spokesman Chad Colby said.

The law discriminates against poorer students who rely on federal aid to pay tuition, said South Dakota college senior Kraig Selken, one of three plaintiffs in the case. Selken, who lost his student aid after a marijuana conviction, said students have a harder time improving their lives because of the law.

``The thing that it ends up being aimed at is just to deter education,'' Selken, a 21-year-old history major at Northern State University in Aberdeen, South Dakota, said in an interview. ``It's not about deterring drug use.''

The federal government spends more than $78 billion a year on student financial aid. Nearly two-thirds of the nation's 19 million undergraduate students receive some type of assistance, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

Students Using Drugs

The suit, filed by the New York-based ACLU on behalf of Selken and other students, asks the court to suspend enforcement of the law. The law affects ``thousands'' of students, the ACLU said, without being more specific.

The author of the law, Representative Mark Souder, a Republican of Indiana, said U.S. taxpayers shouldn't subsidize students ``who are frittering away their educations by dealing or using drugs.''

``If students want to pay for their educations themselves and use drugs while doing so, that's one thing,'' Souder said in a written response to a request for comment. ``If they expect to receive taxpayer funds while using drugs, that's something else.''

Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson said the law is part of a misguided policy that emphasizes punishment over treatment. The approach produces more violence and drives addicts to lower- cost, dangerous narcotics like methamphetamines, he said.

What Is Dangerous?

``There needs to be an understanding of what is dangerous regarding these drugs, and what is dangerous nine out of 10 times has to do with prohibition,'' Johnson said in an interview. A Republican, he is on the board of Students for Sensible Drug Policy, a Washington-based advocacy group and one of the plaintiffs in the ACLU lawsuit.

Selken, who has a grade-point average better than 3.0, pleaded guilty in October 2005 to a misdemeanor possession charge after police found a ``small amount'' of marijuana in a house he shared with two other students, the ACLU said in its complaint.

He was sentenced to 60 days in jail, with 57 days suspended on condition of treatment, and fined $250 plus $147 in lab costs, Selken said. He was required to attend a drug-treatment course.

The law allows students to resume receiving financial aid if they attend a treatment program that includes two random drug tests. Selken said his court-ordered punishment didn't require the random tests, and he now must pay $2,600 to re-take the course with the random tests, to keep his student loan.

Tuition

Tuition at Northern State University costs about $1,500 a semester, most of which Selken covered with federal aid, supplemented by his job as a restaurant waiter. Losing that aid will delay his plans to become a teacher or a lawyer, he said.

The treatment exemption is of little value to many students, said Wolf, the ACLU's lead attorney in the case.

``Many of them can't even get into such a program because the waiting lists are so long,'' Wolf said.

The law was applied by the Department of Education to cover students with prior convictions. Under that policy, the law affected 35,000 students, Wolf said. Congress last month revised the law, saying it applies only to convictions occurring while the student is in school.

The case is Students For Sensible Drug Policy Foundation v. Spellings, CIV. 06-3007, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of South Dakota.

Copyright: 2006 Bloomberg L.P.

To contact the reporter on this story: Paul Basken in Washington at pbasken@bloomberg.net

URL: http://tinyurl.com/z88w2



[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #24 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 12:14:27 PT
Hope
A child is forever. I can relate to what you said. My sister has her one son living with her because he has Muscular Dystrophy now. He is about 45.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #23 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 12:08:16 PT
During the early weeks of my oldest son's life...
Scrambling up for a night time feeding...I thought. "I'll never get to sleep another whole night for eighteen years."

I rembemer it vividly.

Boy was I wrong.

There is no eighteen year finish line.

There is no finish line visible this side of our own passing from the flesh.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #22 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 12:07:59 PT
Children
Children are the greatest gift a couple can ever receive. It's a miracle unlike any other. Children need to be raised. Children need guidance. Children need the love of their parents.

Raise up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart. I believe that scripture. Drug education should only be the parents responsibility so they can do what the scripture says to do.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #21 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 12:04:18 PT
Heck
You all know that FoM's amazing and enduring dedication to this task is a responsibility for her to her son.

Great responsibilities,to the end of your days, is what the gift of a child is, whether they live in the flesh you knew them in or not.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #20 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 12:00:56 PT
neglected children
You know, I read somewhere in learning to train a dog, that you must be willing to devote a minimum of thirty minutes of undivided attention a day to a dog.

That focused attention keeps them out of trouble. It develops their personalities and character. They learn. You learn. It keeps them from chewing up your best shoes, among other things.

They learn to understand you better...which is a mutual gift between humans and pets, and it should be between humans and their offspring.

With great gifts...like children...comes great responsibility.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #19 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 11:54:40 PT
What do you say to this?
The board decided to table the dog issue for two months. In that time, they want parents and kids to come up with other ways to prevent drug use among students.

[sarcasm] Also, I'd like to raise the issue of child neglect in the home. Don't we need to have the ability to carry out home inspections after school to ensure the students are getting the proper care and attention they require? Of course, we could table this issue for two months, to give parents and kids a chance to come up with other ways of protecting the children. [/sarcasm]

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #18 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 11:31:42 PT
Way to go Dare Generation!
Hit 'em with one of their own "sticks".

There! That money one they've been threatening and beating you with!

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #17 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 11:29:50 PT
Had Enough
It's like they didn't see the dog or something.

It was dim to them because their eyes were filled with the latest Red Hot Daddy or Red Hot Mama or sparkly new car.

They don't see the truth about what's happening to their children as easily as those of us who knew who Anne Frank was.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #16 posted by Hope on March 22, 2006 at 11:24:48 PT
Ain't that the truth?
Whig said, "Double jeopardy does not preclude multiple punishments for the same act".

I think they call it, "Piling it on."

They throw so many extra punishment weights on you that it's like a witch pressing.

They pile on the punishments and offenses...then if you give them something they want...they take a punishment...or "stone"...off the pressing board.

It's hard on a person being pressed to death.

The should feel very glad that that non-imaginary God is about love and not about the hate they excrete and wallow in.



[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #15 posted by Had Enough on March 22, 2006 at 11:10:26 PT
And the Beat Goes On
Parents Furious Over Drug-Sniffing Dogs

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=4011125

People are starting to see the Light, and speaking out.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #14 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 09:15:03 PT
whig
Thank you. I haven't stayed really informed on this issue. I just remember that if you didn't have the money to go to college or you didn't get a scholarship you went out into the work field and got a job. My son got student loans but boy did they make his debt go up while he was in college even though his Dad paid for almost everything for his education.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #13 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 09:09:56 PT
FoM
I was talking about the students' lawsuit.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #12 posted by FoM on March 22, 2006 at 08:59:38 PT
Whig
My heads fuzzy because of the cold I have so are you talking about drug testing or the student's lawsuit?

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #11 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 08:56:38 PT
Max
We have a tendency to want to be cheerleaders for people on our side, but we have to be realistic about what works and what won't. It's not doing someone a favor if you see them beating their head against the wall and you don't suggest to them they might hurt themselves.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #10 posted by Max Flowers on March 22, 2006 at 08:49:23 PT
Drug testing insults the Bill Of Rights
True, whig. To look at it far more simply (a specialty of mine, heh heh), drug testing is based on a presumption of guilt, ergo it is unconstitutional. It is done on the same principle as if a person were hauled into court or a police station and told "we believe you're likely to use drugs, so prove to us that you're not using and you're free to go."

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #9 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 08:44:24 PT
lawsuit
Took a brief look at the summary of their case. The double jeopardy claim does not have legal merit. Equal protection might, but not on due process grounds. It sounds good, and we know there's an injustice here, but these are legal terms of art that are being misunderstood.

Double jeopardy does not preclude multiple punishments for the same act. A conviction could result in both a fine and imprisonment, for instance, without being double jeopardy. What the term refers to is the fifth amendment right not to be twice prosecuted criminally for the same offense, thus if one is acquitted the state cannot simply refile charges and try again.

Due process, in the same context, means that a mere accusation of possession should not be sufficient to impute punishment. However, a criminal conviction is presumed to meet due process (unless overturned).

We should not be encouraging legal gymnastics which twist the meanings of constitutional provisions. Let's not play games with the system. The equal protection argument might have merit if it can be properly put but even this seems like a thin reed.

We know the system is unjust. But there are better ways to fix or replace it.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #8 posted by Max Flowers on March 22, 2006 at 08:21:01 PT
~~ #4 ~~
- Hmmm, free country? Not anymore. Police state? Yes. Not that i advocate the use of illegal drugs by minors but once this type of testing starts where would it end? College? Elementary school? General Public? -

The day they start trying to drug-test (or anything-test) the general public, is the day the people will start coming out in force, and I do mean FORCE. That's my sense of it anyway.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #7 posted by ekim on March 22, 2006 at 08:08:09 PT
lawsuit
Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Lawsuit!

The ACLU and Students for Sensible Drug Policy are filing a federal lawsuit today against the Department of Education and Secretary Margaret Spellings. The suit challenges the constitutionality of the law that strips college financial aid from students with drug convictions. See New York Times article today. More info on the lawsuit is available here. This is being covered over at the DARE Generation Blog, where they are also seeking students who have been denied financial aid to be part of the class action suit. If you're on a campus and would like to help out, go to the lawsuit page and print out some fliers to put up around campus to help them find plaintiffs.



[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #6 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 06:01:03 PT
Oh, I know the word!
Satanic. There's just no other word that suffices.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #5 posted by whig on March 22, 2006 at 05:58:46 PT
MaRkAyNe
Your comment is insightful, like how the fact that so many possession cases result in court-ordered "drug rehabilitation" was then used to generate misleading statistics that "the number of admissions to treatment in which marijuana was the primary substance of abuse [has] increased."

It's been said that there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. But these liars can't even be held to a standard of misrepresenting the data, they have to actually go out and actually invent the data they want to use. This just transcends the whole category of lying, it is something so profoundly wrong I cannot even find a word for it in my vocabulary.

[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #4 posted by riptide on March 22, 2006 at 05:41:25 PT
Police state
Hmmm, free country? Not anymore. Police state? Yes. Not that i advocate the use of illegal drugs by minors but once this type of testing starts where would it end? College? Elementary school? General Public?

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #3 posted by OverwhelmSam on March 22, 2006 at 04:10:17 PT
One More Nail In Drug Prohibition
This is just one more degrading practice of the US ONDCP which will actually help end the war on marijuana. Afterall, if we have drug testing for minors, there's no reason not to legalize and regulate marijuana for adult use.

[ Post Comment ]
 
Comment #2 posted by kaptinemo on March 22, 2006 at 04:06:33 PT:

The willfully, profitably blind
"Doctor" DuPont 'can't quite get the argument that [drug testing] wouldn't work'?

As the article makes abundantly clear, perhaps his inability to understand that the process he favors doesn't work is because his meal ticket is being threatened by admitting as much...and that's just for starters.

“If is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” - Upton Sinclair

Mr. Sinclair has had every single DrugWarrior pegged long before any of them were born.

But there's a problem looming on the horizon for the DrugWarriors. Despite the recent raising of the National Debt ceiling, the sad fact is the Fed'rul Gub'mint is B-R-O-K-E, broke.

Sooner or later, the budgetary knives, which have already been used on DrugWar programs BY REPUBLICANS, will be unsheathed again. ONDCP has already been cut once before; the precedent has been set. Raise the matter of the studies that deny drug usage is affected by random tests, and some of those eager to point to their home constituencies and say they've 'cut waste in Washington' might turn their eyes once more to the previously sacred - and now profane - cow of the DrugWar.



[ Post Comment ]

 
Comment #1 posted by MaRkAyNe on March 22, 2006 at 00:10:12 PT
Wonderful...
They think if they just test all the "Bad Kids" it will stop them from smoking the gonja. The only thing it will do is alienate more kids. They will be afraid to get involved in their communities and after school programs. If they start doing random testing at schools- kids who get caught will get suspension or expulsion. Then when they get bad grades because they weren't allowed to go, the government will claim the stereotype that drugs make kids do bad in school. They will try to justify their testing by punishing the drug users and then saying that they do worse and that testing is trying to help them.....

[ Post Comment ]

  Post Comment
Name:        Password:
E-Mail:

Subject:

Comment:   [Please refrain from using profanity in your message]

Link URL:
Link Title:


Return to Main Menu


So everyone may enjoy this service and to keep it running, here are some guidelines: NO spamming, NO commercial advertising, NO flamming, NO illegal activity, and NO sexually explicit materials. Lastly, we reserve the right to remove any message for any reason!

This web page and related elements are for informative purposes only and thus the use of any of this information is at your risk! We do not own nor are responsible for visitor comments. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 and The Berne Convention on Literary and Artistic Works, Article 10, news clippings on this site are made available without profit for research and educational purposes. Any trademarks, trade names, service marks, or service names used on this site are the property of their respective owners. Page updated on March 21, 2006 at 21:37:25