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  Canada's Prince of Pot Nabbed for U.S. Seed Sales
Posted by CN Staff on July 30, 2005 at 11:52:16 PT
By Ari Bloomekatz, Seattle Times Staff Reporter 
Source: Seattle Times 

seed Seattle, WA -- Marc Emery has built a multimillion-dollar business selling marijuana seeds and paraphernalia while thumbing his nose at authorities in his native Canada, even challenging them to arrest him.

Yesterday, the man known as Canada's "Prince of Pot" was arrested in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on a U.S. indictment charging him with selling millions of dollars worth of marijuana seeds to customers throughout the United States.

Emery, the 47-year-old leader of British Columbia's Marijuana Party, has earned about $3 million a year selling the seeds through his Internet Web site and by mail, federal officials said. Emery and two accomplices, Gregory Williams, 50, and Michelle Rainey-Fenkarek, 34, were arrested by Canadian authorities on a warrant issued by federal officials in Washington state.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan said Emery will be tried in the U.S. because he committed most of his alleged crimes in this country. The Seattle-based office of the Drug Enforcement Administration led the investigation.

Sullivan said Emery will be extradited from Canada to the U.S. for trial, but the process could take anywhere from six months to two years.

While Emery owns a Vancouver, B.C., store that sells marijuana paraphernalia and seeds, police say at least 75 percent of his illegal transactions involved U.S. customers.

Vancouver Police Department spokesman Howard Chow said U.S. authorities are hoping to prosecute Emery in Seattle under an agreement called the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty, which allows the prosecuting agency to determine where to try defendants. Authorities likely thought there was a better chance of conviction and harsher punishment in the U.S., Chow said.

Emery, a self-styled activist who once called himself a "libertarian capitalist," has become a spokesman for British Columbia's movement to legalize marijuana and is publisher of the Canadian magazine Cannabis Culture.

During a 1996 interview with The Seattle Times, Emery discussed an arrest by Canadian authorities for selling seeds at his Vancouver store. He said he wanted to be arrested to "challenge this stupid law and overturn it."

Neil Boyd, professor of criminology at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, B.C., said Emery's arrest may not have occurred if U.S. authorities had not been involved.

"It's not unusual for Canadian police to arrest a person who has committed a serious crime in another country. What's unusual about this case is that they are arresting a person for conduct that attracts very serious penalties in one country and potentially no penalties in Canada," Boyd said.

While selling marijuana seeds in Canada is illegal, Boyd says the laws in Canada are not as tough as in the U.S.

Emery opened his store in 1994 and operates Marc Emery Direct, the Web site through which he sells more than 500 types of marijuana seeds with names such as Wonderberry, White Widow and Island Orange. He claims to own the world's largest selection of marijuana seeds with prices for 10 seeds ranging up to several hundred dollars.

All three defendants were charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, conspiracy to distribute marijuana seeds and conspiracy to engage in money laundering. The distribution charges alone carry potential punishments of 10 years to life imprisonment.

John Conroy, Emery's attorney in several previous cases, said Rainey-Fenkarek already had appeared in court and was ordered held on $25,000 bail. He said Emery and Williams may appear in court on Tuesday.

"He's [Emery] been arrested for a number of things over the years," Conroy said, but never before on a U.S. charge. The Canadian arrests include marijuana possession — particularly the seeds — for purposes of trafficking. He has been convicted of some charges, and according to his Web site, he was most recently sentenced to 92 days in jail for trafficking and possession.

Officials say Emery sold marijuana to undercover agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration both by mail and in person.

Emery has been active in pushing for marijuana legalization. He has run for mayor of Vancouver and his marijuana party's slogan is "overgrowing the government."

Because of treaties between the U.S. and Canada, U.S. attorney Sullivan said, if Emery is convicted in the United States he could request to serve his time in Canada, where he might be eligible for release sooner. Sullivan said U.S. authorities will have a chance to weigh in on his release to Canadian custody but that his transfer would still be possible.

"That's one of the frustrations with prisoners who are sent to Canada," Sullivan said.

Source: Seattle Times (WA)
Author: Ari Bloomekatz, Seattle Times Staff Reporter
Published: Saturday, July 30, 2005
Copyright: 2005 The Seattle Times Company
Contact: opinion@seatimes.com
Website: http://www.seattletimes.com/

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Comment #63 posted by FoM on August 01, 2005 at 21:39:22 PT
Kosing My Only Canadian Channel on Direct TV
I guess Murdoch controls this channel now too. I don't know if it will be a good channel or not but NWI was my way of knowing what happens in Canada and around the world. They have in the past covered a lot of news about Cannabis but not anymore. Now where will people go for Canadian News if they have Direct TV? I guess nowhere.

It is now...

http://www.current.tv/

It was...

http://www.nwitv.com/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2123778/

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Comment #62 posted by FoM on August 01, 2005 at 20:48:04 PT
I Feel Really Bad
I feel really bad for those who won't have a job anymore because of all of this. I feel really bad because it's just not right. Marc Emery isn't the kind of person I would want as a personal friend but that isn't the issue. What does matter to me is this whole thing is wrong and I just feel so darn sad for everyone that is being hurt by what our government is doing in a sovereign country.

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Comment #61 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 20:37:15 PT
I hope you're right E_Johnson
I'm sure they were disappointed to learn the Thunderbird was leased...which I bet they knew ahead of time. They've likely been looking for the assets they want to take for some time.

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Comment #60 posted by FoM on August 01, 2005 at 20:31:33 PT
Canadians Protest Drug Dealers' Extradition
Video Link: http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050801-009/page.asp

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Comment #59 posted by unkat27 on August 01, 2005 at 20:08:38 PT
Its about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"It was those 'millions of dollars' that really touched the blood sense of the US DEA nostrils."

Agreed. They probably made a deal with Paul Martin to give him a percentage of the take on the booty. These guys are vultures, make no doubt about it. They've sold their political majority on the idea that marijuana is an evil substance and are using that excuse in every conceivable way to make themselves all filthy stinking rich, by preying upon anyone involved with marijuana that has plenty of booty to take.

Legal pirates, that's what they are. They are laughing all the way to the bank, because they have the kind of power that gives them the right to do things that nobody else can, through pure, unadulterated violent fascism.

It's enough to make anyone sick to think of the abuse of power these worst excuses for human beings can get away with. Sickening. These guys are so damn corrupt, they don't have an honor code, they have a dishonor code.

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Comment #58 posted by FoM on August 01, 2005 at 18:38:22 PT
Just My Current Thoughts
When something this serious occurs I get very quiet. My mind is working overtime but I don't type very much about how I feel. I have been reading all day long and know where it stands as of now and we will know more tomorrow. If the charges are only for seeds and not big time money laundering whatever that might be then I have opinions as to why this is happening. I will keep reading and thinking and soon maybe I'll be able to totally figure out why this is happening in my mind. We want answers. Answers don't come. Who were those who went undercover if someone did. Who did that I want to know and why. That is so wrong to turn on someone no matter what. It's just terribly wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/

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Comment #57 posted by FoM on August 01, 2005 at 18:07:29 PT
Max Flowers
I don't know. I know I don't understand this at all. I can only hope in time we will learn what is causing this to happen and why. I'm still frazzled about it. I don't think I'll be unfrazzled until I know much more. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling the way I do.

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Comment #56 posted by Max Flowers on August 01, 2005 at 17:57:49 PT
Help me out here
I'm having a real problem with the hypocrisy of Canadian authorities not wanting to press any charges against Emery, yet being willing to extradite him to the US on charges that obviously have serious jurisdictional and sovereignty issues.

Are Canadians going to just sit back and watch their government grind up one of its own (no matter how arrogant he may be) ? Won't this make them all question just how safe they really are?

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Comment #55 posted by FoM on August 01, 2005 at 17:41:50 PT
Update from CBC News
Marijuana Charges 'Political Persecution' Says Activist

August 1, 2005

Outspoken Vancouver pot-activist Mark Emery is expected to appear in B.C. Supreme Court Tuesday along with two other members of the B.C. Marijuana Party .

Emery and party member Gregory Williams will be seeking bail after being arrested on Friday following a year-long investigation of Emery's marijuana seed-selling business by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency.

Marijuana Party vice-president Michelle Rainey is already out on $25,000 bail.

U.S. authorities have requested Emery be held in custody until his extradition hearing concludes.

The warrants issued by a B.C. Supreme Court judge include charges of conspiracy to sell marijuana seeds in the U.S. and money laundering.

B.C. Marijuana Party spokesperson Kirk Tousaw says the arrests are about much more than law enforcement.

"This is a political persecution not a political prosecution," he says.

"They are not after Mark Emery because he sells marijuana seeds. There are dozens of those seed sellers throughout Canada and the United States.

They are after Mark Emery because he is a political activist and we need to make sure Canadians understand that because this issue goes far beyond marijuana policy."

None of the three face charges in Canada. The DEA is seeking to have them extradited for trial in the US.

Copyright: 2005 CBC

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=emery-comment-01082005

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Comment #54 posted by global_warming on August 01, 2005 at 15:41:38 PT
Typo?
53, Because he lives like Jesus said a rich man should.

Hope, that is true.

gw

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Comment #53 posted by E_Johnson on August 01, 2005 at 12:21:38 PT
Hope They're digging a dry hole
They're not going to seize vast amounts of assets in this case because he doesn't have any assets, period. Maybe that will shock them. How could a man make that much money and not have assets for the DEA to seize? Because he lives like Jesus said a rich man should.

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Comment #52 posted by Max Flowers on August 01, 2005 at 11:07:51 PT
Where is Canadian sovereignty?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the jurisdictional "problem" the DEA/USA has here... I mean it should be an insurmountable problem---it (DEA) was operating in a country out of its jurisdiction!! What the F is going on? How is it that the DEA can run an operation in Canada? Has the Canadian gov't just rolled over like a scared dog and surrendered its sovereignty? I'm confused!

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Comment #51 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 09:45:55 PT
PotPal comment 8..."Millions"
It was those "millions of dollars" that really touched the blood sense of the US DEA nostrils.

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Comment #50 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 09:38:53 PT
Amen, Afterburner. Comment 14
"In the name of the Great God of all creation who created cannabis and said that it is good, I rebuke you. Repent!"

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Comment #49 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 08:41:47 PT
Global Warming comment 33
"Your eyes will be opened,

You will see the demons,"

That's right. Low and behold! Noticing that true evil sometimes looks like "the citizen of the year" is a valuable nugget of insight to possess.

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Comment #48 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 08:28:09 PT
Sam...comment 39
Yes.

And they're hanging a piece of paper saying "The Prince of Pot" above his head on the cross they are trying to crucify him on.

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Comment #47 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 08:19:17 PT
A touch of euphoria.
I could use it right now.

It seems like it would do me more good than harm.

Maybe I can find a touch of it on a good joke site or in a comedic movie.

Euphoria. Funny stuff. My grandfather, in a bad mood, wouldn't allow laughter at the dinner table.

What was that about?

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Comment #46 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 08:14:19 PT
I'm so thankful
that doctors and scientists are finally looking at the seeming "miracles", that others of us have noticed, residing in the amazing little plant, cannabis.

It's a good thing...so long villified, and mostly because of racism and a little euphoria.

A little euphoria is good medicine in itself.

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Comment #45 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 08:08:20 PT
Juries nullifying bad laws
That is, too.

Cool, I mean.

Cool=Good.

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Comment #44 posted by Hope on August 01, 2005 at 08:04:32 PT
Jose
That's just cool!

c-news.org - above average.

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Comment #43 posted by goneposthole on August 01, 2005 at 07:48:56 PT
You might be right on, Sam
nullification

n 1: the states'-rights doctrine that a state can refuse to recognize or to enforce a federal law passed by the United States Congress

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nullification

"It was our Constitution that gave us the foundation that enables us to remain a democracy. The Constitution provides five separate tribunals with veto power Ñ representatives, senate, executive, judges and jury. Before a law gains the power to punish that law must first pass the test of each constitutionally guaranteed authority.

"Jury nullification of law", as it is sometimes called, is a traditional American right defended by the Founding Fathers. Those patriots intended that the jury serve as one of the tests a law must pass through before it assumes enough popular authority to be enforced. Our constitutional designers saw to it that each enactment of law must pass the scrutiny of these tribunals before it gains the authority to punish those who choose to violate any written law. Thomas Jefferson said, "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."

Four decades before Jefferson spoke these words, a jury had established freedom of the press in the colonies by finding John Peter Zenger not guilty of seditious libel. He had been arrested and charged for printing critical Ñ but true Ñ news stories about the Governor of New York Colony. "Truth is no defense", the court told the jury! But the jury decided to reject bad law, and acquitted.

Why? Because defense attorney Andrew Hamilton informed the jury of its rights: he related the story of William Penn's trial Ñ of the courageous London jury which refused to find him guilty of preaching Quaker religious doctrine (at that time an illegal religion). His jurors stood by their verdict even though held without food, water, or toilet facilities for four days. The jurors were fined and imprisoned for refusing to convict William Penn Ñ until England's highest court acknowledged their right to reject both law and fact and to find a verdict according to conscience. It was exercise of that right in Penn's trial which eventually led to recognition of free speech, freedom of religion, and of peaceable assembly as individual rights."

http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/ISSUES/ISSUE23-9/07JuryNullification.html

The feds need to whooped upside the head these days.

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Comment #42 posted by jose melendez on August 01, 2005 at 07:27:23 PT
nullify this
Speak up, Speak out, Defy Hypocrisy!

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1214/a02.html?397

Judge Not, Lest Ye be Judged:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1215/a02.html?397

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Comment #41 posted by OverwhelmSam on August 01, 2005 at 06:59:42 PT
This Sounds Like Jury Nullification
MISTRIAL DECLARED IN SCHOOL-ZONE DRUG CASE PITTSFIELD -- A mistrial was declared this afternoon in the case of Kyle W. Sawin, an Otis teenager who faced a mandatory jail term for allegedly selling small amounts of marijuana in a Great Barrington school zone. The district attorney's office said it planned to retry the case. The mistrial was declared after the jury, which began deliberating Wednesday, twice told the judge it was deadlocked. Earlier in the day, the judge had instructed the jury to continue deliberating after it told the court it was unlikely to reach a verdict. Sawin, 18, was one of seven young people arrested in last year's drug sweep in Great Barrington who had no prior record but faced a mandatory two-year jail sentence under the state's school-zone drug law.

Pubdate: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 Source: Berkshire Eagle, The (Pittsfield, MA) Copyright: 2005 New England Newspapers, Inc. Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/897 Continues: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1159/a06.html

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Comment #40 posted by jose melendez on July 31, 2005 at 19:02:39 PT
Justice. Right.
from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1716142,00.html

Even the most coldhearted policy-maker would be moved by some of the tearfully grateful letters received by the chocolate supplier, which calls itself Therapeutic Help from Cannabis for Multiple Sclerosis. “Dear whoever,” writes an elderly woman in Wokingham. “Thank you so much for my first supply of cannachoc. It is wonderful. For the first time in many, many months I do not have ‘jerking’ legs in the evenings and can sit still and watch TV.”

From Essex, an elderly woman says that she can finally get to sleep again, the physical pain having temporarily subsided, “and I don’t feel any high-ness at all”. As Ms Taylor sees it, the Home Office bureaucrats whom she suspects of ordering her supply chain broken have clearly never experienced chronic, total body pain. “I’d like Charles Clarke to have my MS for 24 hours and see how he’d feel,” she says. “He has no goddam right to tell me what I can put into my body.”

The Home Secretary does seem to be on an extraordinarily ill-conceived trip. The new hard line on suppliers of medicinal cannabis echoes a wider unease within government at last year’s reclassification of the drug by David Blunkett. Before the general election the Prime Minister suggested that cannabis “isn’t quite as harmless as people make out”, and Mr Clarke wrote to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs demanding that it re-examine the reclassification in view of new health concerns. Could this current assault on medicinal use — backed by a recent Court of Appeal ruling that users have no defence of “necessity” in relieving their pain — be a deliberate attempt to distance Mr Clarke from his predecessor’s more licentious era, when the spliff became as morally tolerable as the impregnation of another man’s wife?

Nothing of the sort, insists the Home Office. Any decision to bring charges is a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service. The CPS, in turn, says it would act only after receiving a file from the police, and that on no account would there be a political decision to prosecute. Because cannabis remains illegal, that decision would rest simply on the quality of evidence and whether it would be “in the public interest”.

Forget passing the joint: this is passing the buck until any logic fades into an embarrassing blur. For all the “public interest” in breaking up these altruistic if unauthorised networks, the practical consequence of prosecution will be simply to send the “clients” — typically elderly, middle-class, otherwise law-abiding citizens — to criminal dealers. Or, alternatively, to lead them to suffer in silence until an “official” cannabis-based medicine is approved for use. Based on recent experience, they could be waiting some time.

This has always been the favoured get-out clause, from the Health Department to the Home Office. Because users of raw cannabis risk addiction and chronic health effects, ministers point out, only a properly tested medical preparation can be allowed. All that is needed is the approval of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

So where is the MHRA’s approval for the most promising cannabis-based medication under development, a mouth spray extensively tested by the British company GW Pharmaceuticals? In April, Canada gave the spray formal approval. It was expected to gain its UK licence long before now — but, well, the MHRA just needs a few more test results before it can be absolutely certain.

Bureaucracies, by their nature, favour delays over decision-making. People, on the other hand, feel the intense, life-shattering pain of disease very much in the here and now. Those unfortunate enough to have MS — or Aids, arthritis and any other severe condition where cannabis may alleviate symptoms — should surely be allowed to bear the risk of side effects and possible long-term damage in exchange for the pain control that cannabis might bring.

Until a legal medicine is made available, how can it make moral sense for the authorities to target the well-intentioned volunteers offering a short-term alternative?

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Comment #39 posted by Sam Adams on July 31, 2005 at 18:38:45 PT
Note to USA thugs
You may have caught the prince, but there are plenty of earls, dukes, and squires who will continue to sell us seeds, and you'll never stop them.



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Comment #38 posted by goneposthole on July 31, 2005 at 17:45:21 PT
the feds don't need no stinking jury
He's on his way to gitmo. He's a terrorist. He's a drug dealer. He's hasn't a snowball's chance in hell to get justice here in the US of A.

I'm being optimistic.

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Comment #37 posted by jose melendez on July 31, 2005 at 16:53:22 PT
HEY! Truthful commercial speech is protected.
Re: sites shut down, etc.

That's crazy talk. What do we, live in some communist country? D'ya think even John Ashcroft, who wants to keep American access to guns so the citizens can overthrow a corrupt government does not recognize that sites like this perform a valuable and socially critical purpose?

Whatever. The truth shall set us free, and the best way to get rid of a bad law is to enforce it vigorously. BRING IT ON . . .

It's FOOD, stupid:

from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4728605.stm

Patients with inflammatory bowel disease may benefit from cannabis-based drugs, UK scientists believe.

The Bath University team found people with the gut disorder had an abundant number of a type of cannabinoid receptors in their body.

They believe this is part of the body's attempt to dampen down the inflammation and that giving a drug that binds to these receptors could boost this.

Their findings appear in the journal Gastroenterology.

ALL use is medical:

http://www.emaxhealth.com/82/2737.html

Sixteen per cent of people who use cannabis for medical reasons say that their doctor suggested it, according to research published in the March issue of IJCP, the International Journal of Clinical Practice.

Nine hundred forty-seven people in the UK reported using cannabis for medical purposes, with more than a third (35 per cent) saying that they used it six or seven days a week. The majority (68 per cent) said that it made their symptoms much better.

"The results of our UK survey, including the extent of use and reported effects, lend support to the further development of safe and effective medicines based on cannabis," says lead author Dr Mark Ware, principal investigator and pain physician at the McGill University Health Centre (MUHC) Pain Centre.

People with chronic pain were most likely to use cannabis for medicinal purposes (25 per cent), followed by patients with multiple sclerosis (22 per cent), depression (22 per cent), arthritis (21 per cent) and neuropathy (19 per cent).

Younger people, males and those who had used cannabis recreationally were also more likely to use it for medicinal reasons.



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Comment #36 posted by FoM on July 31, 2005 at 16:19:08 PT
billos
I know what you are saying. It is very sad anyway you look at it. Hopefully we will be able to stand but I do know this. If we all get shut down we did out best. That's all we can ever really hope for in life when it's all said and done.

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Comment #35 posted by billos on July 31, 2005 at 16:05:26 PT
....FoM........
Believe me I only hope for the best here. It's really hard to "change the law" if they won't even debate the issue. Godsend to you all.

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Comment #34 posted by billos on July 31, 2005 at 16:02:49 PT
Global..
The Answer IS jury nullification...........Any people out there in Seattle??? DO spread the word.....NULLIFICATION.

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Comment #33 posted by global_warming on July 31, 2005 at 15:45:42 PT
WoW
#20

"If we can get a child to 20 without using marijuana, there is a 98 percent chance that the child will never become addicted to any drug," says White House Deputy Drug Czar Scott Burns, of the Office of National Drug Control Policy."

Does this promise include legally available drugs such as Valium, Morphine, and that hideous child called Heroin?

The Bush administration has made marijuana the major focus of its anti-drug efforts, both because there are so many users (an estimated 15 million Americans) and because it considers pot a "gateway" to the use of harder substances."

What are they so afraid of ?

This gateway to Hell?

Cannabis, opens your mind,

Your eyes will be opened,

You will see the demons,

Who rage war,

On this Christendom,

Guard well, for thieves,

Come in the Night,

They cannot exist,

In the Light.

----

#31

"There is a trial yet to come. I hope the two foremost words on everyone's mind now will be "trial preparation".

Remember, the trial is going to be in Seattle. Washington is already a green state. I predict this trial will make it even greener."--I hope the two foremost words on everyone's mind now will be "trial preparation".

Or should you have said, JURY NULLIFICATION"..?

-----

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses

---

Ch 21:8 And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

1Ch 21:10 Go and tell David, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things: choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.

Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee

1Ch 21:12 Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel.

Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me.

1Ch 21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man.

------------------------'

We all have minds, and our souls belong to God.

Where is that perfect hand, that offers comfort, Grace and Hope?

gw

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Comment #32 posted by FoM on July 31, 2005 at 15:02:34 PT
billos
Anything is possible with this administration but I believe we do stand a chance since we are non profit and just doing our best to change bad laws like they always tell us to do if we don't like the way things are. They say: Then change the laws. We can't change the laws if they don't let us. You see what I mean?

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Comment #31 posted by E_Johnson on July 31, 2005 at 14:43:20 PT
billos they haven't gotten away with it yet
There is a trial yet to come. I hope the two foremost words on everyone's mind now will be "trial preparation".

Remember, the trial is going to be in Seattle. Washington is already a green state. I predict this trial will make it even greener.



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Comment #30 posted by The GCW on July 31, 2005 at 14:31:53 PT
Got power?
Who ever controls cannabis controls politics. If evil people control cannabis then evil people will control the govnerment; if honest people control cannabis, then honest people will control government.

We must control cannabis.

Not a disobedient Christian government.

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Comment #29 posted by billos on July 31, 2005 at 14:23:02 PT
........FoM..........
the way things are going they won't care if you are profit or not. If they get away with what is happening now ANY subject that has to do with cannabis will be squelched. It seems to be getting to the point that ANYONE who even conveys the INTENT to use cannabis.. should the chance arise.. will be prosecuted.

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Comment #28 posted by billos on July 31, 2005 at 14:16:59 PT
.........I sent............
My e-mail to Martin also..................... Everybody please do it and keep it up.

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Comment #27 posted by FoM on July 31, 2005 at 12:32:05 PT
Just a Comment
I have been reading up on what has happened in Canada. I don't feel any fear about problems down here since we are 100% non profit and are just trying to change the laws which is legal but just in case we would have a problem I want to make sure everyone knows this free board was created so we wouldn't get scattered. If you bookmark it you would have it then if needed.

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Comment #26 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on July 31, 2005 at 12:09:20 PT
Off Topic: Carter: Iraq War 'Unnecessary'
(AP) Former President Carter said Saturday the detention of terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay Naval base was an embarrassment and had given extremists an excuse to attack the United States.

Carter also criticized the U.S.-led war in Iraq as "unnecessary and unjust."

"I think what's going on in Guantanamo Bay and other places is a disgrace to the U.S.A.," he told a news conference at the Baptist World Alliance's centenary conference in Birmingham, England. "I wouldn't say it's the cause of terrorism, but it has given impetus and excuses to potential terrorists to lash out at our country and justify their despicable acts."

Carter said, however, that terrorist acts could not be justified, and that while Guantanamo "may be an aggravating factor ... it's not the basis of terrorism."

Critics of President Bush's administration have long accused the U.S. government of unjustly detaining terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base on the southeastern tip of Cuba. Hundreds of men have been held indefinitely at the prison, without charge or access to lawyers.

"What has happened at Guantanamo Bay ... does not represent the will of the American people," Carter said Saturday. "I'm embarrassed about it, I think it's wrong. I think it does give terrorists an unwarranted excuse to use the despicable means to hurt innocent people."

Earlier this month, Carter called for the Guantanamo prison to be shut down, saying reports of abuses there were an embarrassment to the United States. He also said that the United States needs to make sure no detainees are held incommunicado and that all are told the charges against them.

Carter, who won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, has been an outspoken critic of the Iraq war.

"I thought then, and I think now, that the invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and unjust. And I think the premises on which it was launched were false," he said Saturday.

The Baptist World Alliance, comprising more than 200 Baptist unions around the world, was formed in London in 1905. The headquarters of the alliance, which meets in a different location every five years, moved to the United States in 1947.

An estimated 12,700 delegates gathered in the city of Birmingham in central England for the conference. Carter, a Sunday school teacher in his hometown of Plains, Ga., was due to lead a Bible study lesson during the conference.

He praised British police and intelligence services for the swift arrests in connection with the July 21 failed bombing attempts on London's transit system.

"I'm very proud to be in a nation that stands so stalwart against terrorism with us," he said. "The people of my country have united our hearts and sympathy for the tragedy that you have suffered from terrorism."



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Comment #25 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on July 31, 2005 at 11:50:03 PT
Sent my email to Paul Martin
Thanks unkat27 for the link good idea.

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Comment #24 posted by unkat27 on July 31, 2005 at 10:38:45 PT
Email Martin with Outrage
Here's a link to PM Paul Martin's party website, it has an email contact page. Email Martin with your Rage!

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Comment #23 posted by jose melendez on July 31, 2005 at 09:47:43 PT
whether you do windows or not
FoM, afterburner and friends on all sides:

Be sure to back up your important writings, pictures, video and audio clips before doing major repairs to your systems.

Also, it helps to run your antivirus and disk cleanup programs in 'safe mode', preferably from a virus free boot disc, which you might download from here:

http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm

The new AdAware seems to find things that spybot does not, and vice versa:

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

http://tinyurl.com/5kgsl

I've had excellent results downloading and running bigfix:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/BigFix.shtml

and of course, DO use a firewall, you can get one free from gibson research:

http://download.zonelabs.com/bin/free/1012_zl/zlsSetup_60_631_003.exe

Sometimes the older version of zonealarm works better, I don't pretend or really want to know why:

http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=zalarm

Finally, once your machine is up and running well, using ghost or something similar rapidly restores your system to ideal conditions, well worth paying for if you value your time:

http://tinyurl.com/753ul

It's far less expensive here:

http://www.softwareoutlet.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=0062

For Mac users, get Onyx, it works!

http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/OnyX.shtml

Hope that helps. And thank you afterburner, for mailing the Hamilton Spectator expose on the pharmaceutical industry collusions with Health Canada and FDA. For those that missed it:

In Canada, the regulatory agency charged with protecting their citizens, Health Canada provided pharmaceutical companies with a speedier approval process in exchange for drug evaluation fees, with the result that 19 harmful drugs had to be removed from the market in the last 11 years, compared to 25 drugs withdrawn in the last 30 years.

The Canadian situation mimics the United States' Food and Drug Administration fee-for-speed user-pay system in which the proportion of newly approved and widely advertised drugs that had to be withdrawn tripled during the period 1997-2000, compared with 1993-96.

Got corruption? It shows:

http://65.18.211.65/rx/freeMarcEmery/



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Comment #22 posted by FoM on July 31, 2005 at 09:01:07 PT
afterburner
Good luck to you. I hope you aren't having serious computer problems. I'm watching my computer and doing virus scans etc. regularly these days too.

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Comment #21 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2005 at 08:53:59 PT
Won't Back Down
FoM, jose & all the gentle cannabis folk:

I'll be off-line or "off-air" for a while, reinstalling my antivirus. See you on the flip side.

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Comment #20 posted by FoM on July 31, 2005 at 08:17:35 PT
America's Most Dangerous Drug
A Newsweek cover story.

This has links to all kinds of information so posting it this way seems better then trying to post it on CNews.

***

Excerpt from Article:

And, amid the wreckage, a pressing political debate: are we fighting the wrong drug war? The Bush administration has made marijuana the major focus of its anti-drug efforts, both because there are so many users (an estimated 15 million Americans) and because it considers pot a "gateway" to the use of harder substances. "If we can get a child to 20 without using marijuana, there is a 98 percent chance that the child will never become addicted to any drug," says White House Deputy Drug Czar Scott Burns, of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. "While it may come across as an overemphasis on marijuana, you don't wake up when you're 25 and say, 'I want to slam meth!' " But those fighting on the front lines say the White House is out of touch. "It hurts the federal government's credibility when they say marijuana is the No. 1 priority," says Deputy District Attorney Mark McDonnell, head of narcotics in Portland, Ore., which has been especially hard hit. Meth, he says, "is an epidemic and a crisis unprecedented."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8770112/site/newsweek/

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Comment #19 posted by John Tyler on July 31, 2005 at 08:17:20 PT
political harassment
If cannabis seeds are legal in Canada, and according to the NAFTA agreement one countries legal products have to be accepted by other NAFTA countries, then Mark and his colleagues were arrested illegally and cannot be extradited to the US because they have broken no laws. Even if seeds are a misdemeanor in Canada, extraditing someone for that is extremely excessive. This looks like political harassment. It is an old government trick. If you can’t get someone on real charges, harass them, charge them with a crime (real or not), arrest them, make them go to court, drag them through the process for as long as possible, and try to ruin them financially, professionally, socially, and emotionally. This has been done for a long time. In the 1950’s during the Red Scare so called “communist sympathizers” were chased around, then it was the Civil Rights advocates, then it was the Anti Viet Nam war people, then it was the Drug War thing, and now the Terrorist thing. This is all so nauseating. Marc and the folks at Cannabis Culture will need our support. They stood up for us. It is our turn to stand up for them.

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Comment #18 posted by OverwhelmSam on July 31, 2005 at 06:26:50 PT
I Smell John Walters' Hand In This Arrest.
Well it's never going to change until we force Congress to change the law. Whatever it takes on the political front, is whatever it takes to get the jerks out of office. We already know who they are, their voting record is clear.

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Comment #17 posted by charmed quark on July 31, 2005 at 05:52:49 PT
Oh, Canada ;-(
What is going wrong with dear Canada that they would cooperate with such nonsense? Do they really think the USA will invade them or at least cut off the border if they don't do as we say?

It's very sad. In spite of being a semi-socialist state, Canada has, in recent years, seem much more willing than the USA to live and let live. Especially in BC. As long as you weren't actively hurting others, the police seemed to leave you alone.

And they seem to avoid our adminsitration's insanity in attacking random countries because they're scared of terrorists.

I had always thought that if thinks got too bad here, I could emmigrate to BC.

Sigh.

-CQ

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Comment #16 posted by jose melendez on July 31, 2005 at 02:54:11 PT
protect and defend: against restraints of trade
from: http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-01.asp#A101

North American Free Trade Agreement

PART ONE: GENERAL PART

Chapter One: Objectives

Article 101: Establishment of the Free Trade Area

The Parties to this Agreement, consistent with Article XXIV of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, hereby establish a free trade area.

Article 102: Objectives

1. The objectives of this Agreement, as elaborated more specifically through its principles and rules, including national treatment, most-favored-nation treatment and transparency, are to:

a) eliminate barriers to trade in, and facilitate the cross-border movement of, goods and services between the territories of the Parties;

b) promote conditions of fair competition in the free trade area;

c) increase substantially investment opportunities in the territories of the Parties;

d) provide adequate and effective protection and enforcement of intellectual property rights in each Party's territory;

e) create effective procedures for the implementation and application of this Agreement, for its joint administration and for the resolution of disputes; and

f) establish a framework for further trilateral, regional and multilateral cooperation to expand and enhance the benefits of this Agreement.

2. The Parties shall interpret and apply the provisions of this Agreement in the light of its objectives set out in paragraph 1 and in accordance with applicable rules of international law.

Article 103: Relation to Other Agreements

1. The Parties affirm their existing rights and obligations with respect to each other under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade and other agreements to which such Parties are party.

2. In the event of any inconsistency between this Agreement and such other agreements, this Agreement shall prevail to the extent of the inconsistency, except as otherwise provided in this Agreement.

from: http://www.rudo.de/new/main_ga_commentsonthe.htm

IX. International Application of German Antitrust Law and Relation to European Antitrust Law

The GWB provides an explicit provision for the effects-principle in § 130 (2) GWB, stating that „this Act shall apply to all restraints of competition which have effect in the area in which this Act applies, even if they result from acts done outside such area." Therefore, all prohibitions and notification requirements apply to activities which have a direct, reasonably foreseeable and significant (not necessarily substantial) effect. The FCO has regularly applied the GWB provisions to foreign enterprises.

A strong influence of EU law derives from the fact that EU law generally overrules German competition law. Therefore, if Art. 85 EEC Treaty is applicable, i.e., if an effect on trade between Member States is present, an express exemption granted under Art. 85 (3) EEC Treaty under a decision made by the Commission prevails over the prohibitions found in §§ 1 and 14 GWB. On the other hand, the prohibitions in Articles 85 and 86 EEC Treaty prevail over every kind of exemption in German law.

Many questions concerning the relationship, differences and conflicts of EU and German competition law remain open due to the fact that in many areas the EC Commission did not enforce prevailing prohibitions in EU law. Also, applications for exemptions under Art. 85 (3) EEC Treaty filed with the Commission may remain untreated for years. Due not only to the lack of resources in the EC Commission, recently, the FCO applied in several cases EU law directly, even if explicit provisions in the GWB exempted the conduct in question from the GWB prohibitions.

Therefore, for international transactions likely to have an „effect on trade between Member States" within the meaning of Articles 85 and 86 EEC Treaty, EU competition law rules always have to be considered in German competition law cases.

See also: http://www.antitrust.de/

and for reference, see:

http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/intl/guides/antitrust/print.html

http://gull.georgetown.edu/search/d?SEARCH=restraint+of+trade

and from the english link at:

http://r0.unctad.org/en/subsites/cpolicy/english/modelaw.htm

A distinctive feature of the United States legisla- tion developed in the application of Section 1 of the Sherman Act is the “per se” approach. While the guiding principle for judging anti-competitive behaviour is the “rule of reason” (unreasonable restraint being the target of control determined on the basis of inquiry into the pur- pose and effects of an alleged restraint), the Supreme Court has held that “there are certain agreements or prac- tices which, because of their pernicious effect on compe- tition and lack of any redeeming virtue, are conclusively presumed to be unreasonable and therefore illegal with- out elaborate inquiry as to the precise harm they have caused or the business excuse for their use”.60 Restric- tions considered “per se” violations generally include price fixing, horizontal division of markets and consum- ers, as well as horizontal concerted refusals to deal, and bid-rigging.

(a) Agreements fixing prices or other terms of sale, including in international trade 33.

The Set of Principles and Rules, in paragraph D.3 (a) calls for the prohibition of “agreements fixing prices, including as to exports and imports”. 34.

Price fixing is among the most common forms of restrictive business practices and, irrespective of whether it involves goods or services, is considered as per se vio- lation in many countries.63

Price fixing can occur at any level in the production and distribution process. It may involve agreements as to prices of primary goods, inter- mediary inputs or finished products.

It may also involve agreements relating to specific forms of price computa- tion, including the granting of discounts and rebates, drawing up of price lists and variations therefrom, and exchange of price information.



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Comment #15 posted by jose melendez on July 31, 2005 at 01:42:56 PT
a defense mightier than the sword
from: http://www.globalhemp.com/News/2004/February/court_tells_dea_it_cannot.php

In the decision, Judge Betty Fletcher wrote, “[T]hey (DEA) cannot regulate naturally-occurring THC not contained within or derived from marijuana-i.e. non-psychoactive hemp is not included in Schedule I. The DEA has no authority to regulate drugs that are not scheduled, and it has not followed procedures required to schedule a substance. The DEA’s definition of “THC” contravenes the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress in the CSA and cannot be upheld.”

During the final oral arguments held in San Francisco on September 17, 2003, the HIA argued that the DEA’s “Final Rule” banning nutritious hemp foods misinterprets the CSA. The judges were completely unconvinced by DEA attorney Daniel Dormont’s arguments that Congress did not exempt hemp seed from the CSA even if the seed contains insignificant amounts of naturally-occurring THC. According to the hearing transcript available at www.votehemp.com, Dormont was read back the section ofthe CSA dealing with the hemp seed exemption on three occasions by Judge Alex Kozinski. By the third reading, a frustrated Kozinski stated ” I tried to say it once before. What this tells me is Congress knew full well that stalks and seeds and fiber could be carriers of some level of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). They were aware of that. Nevertheless, it said unless you do the extracting part they are not marihuana under the definition. That is what it says to me.” Near the end of the DEA’s arguments, Judge Kozinski asked Dormont, “Can you tell me how you are going to save the [poppy seed] bagel?” The question drew laughter from the packed courtroom, but is a serious issue considering that the irrational logic behind the DEA’s attempted hemp food ban could easily be applied to poppy seed bagels.

DEA Admitted Hemp Food Does Not Pose Any Harm, Leading Nutritionist Agrees

During final arguments, the DEA acknowledged that hemp foods have no abuse potential, stating “The concern of the Drug Enforcement Administration isn’t particularized to the particular products that these Petitioners make. The DEA has never said, has never focused on the particular products and said anyone can get high from them, or that they pose a harm to people.”

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Comment #14 posted by afterburner on July 31, 2005 at 00:37:43 PT
Shame on the RCMP, Shame on Halifax & the BC Judge
"Officials say Emery sold marijuana to undercover agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration both by mail and in person."

The U.S. DEA agents were guests of Canada. Some guests! Marc did not sell "marijuana" to DEA agents in person in the USA: Marc does not travel to the USA!

"It's not unusual for Canadian police to arrest a person who has committed a serious crime in another country." Neil Boyd, professor of criminology at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, B.C., said

What's unusual is that Marc was not in the USA.

"Emery and two accomplices, Gregory Williams, 50, and Michelle Rainey-Fenkarek, 34, were arrested by Canadian authorities on a warrant issued by *federal officials* in Washington state."

Federal!!! Canada is NOT part of the Federal USA!

D E A Go Away!!!

DEAth Agents you are not wanted in your own country. Get out of Canada.

It's a terrible tragedy that you persecute US citizens like Steve McWilliams. {A few days before the Santa Cruz memorial, on his 51st birthday, Steve McWilliams killed himself.

{His suicide note said he could not live without marijuana due to the constant pain of his injuries, the oppression of the US government, and the prospect of a prison term without cannabis.

{"Steve McWilliams was tortured by the federal government because of the medication he needed," said Steph Sherer, director of the Berkeley-based Americans for Safe Access (ASA) medical marijuana organization. "There have been hundreds of messages mourning Steve and pointing fingers at the federal government."

{At memorial services that honored him, one solemn patient forcefully disputed the idea that McWilliams committed suicide.

{"It is the policy of my government to torture and kill innocent people in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Cuba, and in our own country," she said. "The government of the United States has always been in the killing business. Steve was not a suicide; he was a casualty of an illegal war. The police who arrested Steve, the prosecutor who prosecuted him, the members of the Supreme Court who upheld federal prohibition- they are all guilty of war crimes. It was not a suicide. My government killed him, and I will not rest until those who murdered Steve, and those who persecute our patients and our plants, all pay for their crimes."} --Ending fear by Ray Boyd (21 Jul, 2005) Why so much fear and anger in the USA? http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4459.html

Now, you are persecuting citizens of your allies. In the name of the Great God of all creation who created cannabis and said that it is good, I rebuke you. Repent!

17 ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.' Leviticus 19:17 (New King James Version) New King James Version (NKJV) Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

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Comment #13 posted by goneposthole on July 30, 2005 at 21:26:04 PT
And the 'authorities' arrested Marc
He's responsible for the deaths thousands of people.

He has bombed foreign countries.

He knows people who have been involved in the bankruptcy of a corporate conglomerate resulting in the loss of billions of dollars to investors.

He has wasted over 200 billion dollars of taxpayer's money and irreparably damaged the reputation of the United States.

He bears false witness. The damage done can't be measured.

Who gets arrested? Marc Emery, that's who.

Marc Emery is successful. The 'authorities' are like Willie Sutton. They know where the money is. No need to wonder why. Martha Stewart spent time in prison. A criminal if there ever was one.

The criminals are being rounded up one at a time.

Of course, the guy who stole a three thousand gallon tanker of anhydrous ammonia in northeastern Alberta, Canada is still on the loose. The tanker can't be found. Tons more of methamphetamine headed for the streets. But, the RCMP (The Royal Canadian Marijuana Police) found Marc.

Go figure.

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Comment #12 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on July 30, 2005 at 20:54:37 PT
A Solute to Greg (Marijuana Man) Williams
I am very sorry to see Greg put in jail as if he were a violent criminal. I can tell by watching Greg on pot tv that he is the type of guy who would not hurt a fly and only wants to be comfortable and feel good. This is such an unjust thing to happen to people who are only seeking what their hearts desire and not harming anyone, not even themselves. Maybe someday people will go about their own business and not try to run other people's lives.

The Drug war has none nothing to stop drugs and has hurt many good people.



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Comment #11 posted by FoM on July 30, 2005 at 19:05:40 PT
Related Article from CTV.ca
Demonstrators Protest Prince of Pot's Arrest

CTV.ca News Staff

July 30, 2005

About 200 people rallied in Vancouver on Saturday to protest the arrest of three B.C. Marijuana Party members, including leader Marc Emery.

One demonstrator sarcastically told CTV News Vancouver: "I'm an American, and I just wanted to visit our latest colony and see if all our Canadian slaves are behaving in a properly respectful way, because that's really what happened yesterday -- the Canadian police became a branch of the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency)."

An upside down U.S. flag had "DEA Go Away" scrawled on it.

Complete Article: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122737445185_60/?hub=CTVNewsAt11

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Comment #10 posted by John Tyler on July 30, 2005 at 18:50:26 PT
CTV Poll revisited
Should the sale of seeds be illegal?

Yes 3339 votes (47 %) No 3695 votes (53 %)

Total Votes: 7034

P.S. It's a sad day to see our government do something like this.

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Comment #9 posted by The GCW on July 30, 2005 at 18:24:41 PT
I don't care for this.
Caging humans for selling plant seeds is hideous, anti-Christian and uncivilized.

My Main Man sez to love one another.

That aint lovin'; cagin' the Sons of God, for using God given seeds.

Maybe I'm confused.

Is Bush the Joker?

Are people afraid of Marc?

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Comment #8 posted by potpal on July 30, 2005 at 17:47:36 PT
rakes in millions
Bet the govts rake in more from those caught with a little pot.

Hmmm...must sell a lot of seeds to equal 3 million dollars, owns a store, created a web site, runs for office, publishes a magazine... I'd say that rather industrious for (satire)a lazy good for nothing pot head. (/satire)

Plant some seeds for Marc.



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Comment #7 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on July 30, 2005 at 17:28:25 PT
American
I used to be proud of America, but lately it is getting harder to be patriot. The people in this country are good people being led into unamerican ways

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Comment #6 posted by dirtmover on July 30, 2005 at 17:16:40 PT
I fear the government....
But I no longer respect it.

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Comment #5 posted by runruff on July 30, 2005 at 16:33:07 PT:

Boston massacre.
Back in 1775 the British threw down on the citizens of Boston. A few miles down the road they caught up with the British at the Concord Bridge. And so it began. Well I can dream can't I? How far is Vancover from Boston?

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Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on July 30, 2005 at 16:03:29 PT
I don't think he kept records
He has said before that he gets rid of all customer information as soon an order goes out.

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Comment #3 posted by PainWithNoInsurance on July 30, 2005 at 15:55:17 PT
A Huge Win for the DEA Corporation
I would not want to be a former customer of Mark's seed business right now. There certainly is a good change of the DEA having a hard drive just full of seed customer names and addresses. The DEA corporation has a huge supply of money to spend for its efforts and are probably going to be hiring more people due to a huge workload.

From what I understand, Mark was abiding by the laws of Canada and should not be held responsible for what happens in the United States. This U.S. out reach just shows the DEA can't do an effective job at home so they are trying to achieve their goals in another country. This move will increase the hate for America that is already abundantly ubiqitous around the world.

It has been said time and time again by many people around the world that the United States should get their own house in order before trying to force other nations to be just like them.

It is sad the U.S. acts like everything is so perfect in its country that they desperately need to pass its heavenly life style elsewhere. Everybody know there is a huge number or people suffering in this country and this is not a perfect country. The mask this country is trying to wear is not hiding the truth about it anymore because everyone know this country is a mess unless a person is rich. The mask this country wears in the name of freedom is not working because all of the world knows just how free this country really is.

The American torcher and detainment of people without criminal charges around the world recently uncovered by news organizations shows that America has become just as bad as the dictators they talk about.

Hypocracy is alive and well in this country and the U.S. can no longer hide behind it.

This government has become a run people's lives government.



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Comment #2 posted by billos on July 30, 2005 at 14:41:13 PT
.......Nothing short of absolute tyranny.........
I cannot believe this............epitome of tyranny on the part of the DEA. Enough is enough...........Are we to just sit and watch based on the age old sentiment.."oh well, what can we do?"...It's the law.... Damn...if there is ever an armed revolution against these bastards I will be right there and gladly go down in the name!!

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Comment #1 posted by FoM on July 30, 2005 at 12:25:14 PT
CTV Poll
POLL: Should the sale of marijuana seeds be illegal?

Current Results:

Yes -- 2683 votes -- (54 %)

No -- 2291 votes -- (46 %)

Total Votes: 4974

http://www.ctv.ca/



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