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  Schwarzenegger Inherits Fights With White House
Posted by CN Staff on October 09, 2003 at 13:10:41 PT
By Martha Mendoza, Associated Press 
Source: Associated Press  

medical Gov.- elect Arnold Schwarzenegger is arriving in Sacramento with hopes of getting along better with one of California's recent enemies: the Bush Administration.

California has staged epic battles with the federal government on issues including environmental protection, energy, health care, consumer protections, immigration and medical marijuana.

Schwarzenegger has promised to continue some of these efforts - an ongoing lawsuit, for example, that would allow California to set tougher anti-smog standards for carbon dioxide emissions than the federal government requires.

But during his first news conference as governor-elect, the moderate Republican indicated he's willing to reach some compromises with the more conservative President Bush, who plans to campaign with Schwarzenegger in California next week.

"He promised me he would do everything possible to help California, and so I'm looking forward to working with him and asking him for a lot, a lot of favors," Schwarzenegger said.

For his part, Bush said he's "absolutely" ready to work with the new governor - a striking turnaround from the polarized relationship between Bush and ousted Gov. Gray Davis, who mostly failed in his attempts to get the federal government to reimburse California for everything from the costs of imprisoning illegal immigrants to increased homeland security.

The lawsuits reflect a desire among California's Democratic leaders for the state to have its own standards, which in many cases are more environmentally friendly, socially liberal and protective of consumers than Bush administration regulations.

"A hallmark of our state has been its willingness to say to the Bush Administration, 'What you're doing is bad for our state, and we're going to take a different direction,'" said Carl Zichella, regional staff director for Sierra Club in Sacramento. "But I'm not sure how a Republican governor can tell Republican presidential candidate who is fighting for his life that he can't have what he wants in California."

The point-man for the legal battles has been state Attorney General Bill Lockyer, who on Thursday sent Schwarzenegger a confidential memo outlining all the state's litigation, including dozens of lawsuits against the federal government.

"My view is that the Bush Administration is the most aggressively big government of any administration in national history, and so we have those lawsuits just because they're rewriting the doctrine of federalism," said Lockyer, who considers Schwarzenegger to be a friend.

While most of the lawsuits are over policies, there's real money at stake as well. Still pending is the state's demand that the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission order energy companies to refund $9 billion in windfall profits made in California.

Schwarzenegger, who was criticized during the campaign for joining a closed-door meeting in Beverly Hills with Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay during the energy crisis, hasn't said whether he'll keep fighting to get the $9 billion refunded to ratepayers.

Consumer and environmental advocates are worried Schwarzenegger will declare surrender.

"I just hope that we'll be able to hold the line, and continue to be the bellwether that we have been in the past on so many issues," said Betsy Imholz is Director of the West Coast Regional Office of Consumers Union.

The environmental conflicts include banning offshore drilling, protecting endangered species and limiting auto and power plant emissions.

"There are many examples of the administration siding with polluters rather than clean air," said Tim Carmichael, president of the Coalition for Clean Air in Sacramento. "Schwarzenegger comes in as new blood with a positive attitude, and I believe good intentions with regard to the environment and public health. Perhaps he'll have better communication with the feds, and resolve some of the problems."

Although he hasn't made detailed policy statements on many issues, Schwarzenegger promised while campaigning to fight to protect California's higher standards when it comes to carbon dioxide emissions. "California's landmark legislation to cut greenhouse gases is now law, and I will work to implement it and to win the expected challenges in court along the way," he said.

One of the touchiest battles may involve medical marijuana. Schwarzenegger has admitted using marijuana and other "soft" drugs in the past, and was asked while campaigning if he supports drug legalization. Schwarzenegger called it "a bad idea" but said "I would legalize medical (marijuana)."

Smoking marijuana is a federal crime, but in California voters approved a law in 1996 allowing sick and dying people to use the drug. Since then, the Drug Enforcement Agency has raided growers and distributors of medical marijuana, despite protests from local law enforcement.

"The governor can't control the feds, but he has a bully pulpit and can raise his voice," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington D.C. "Perhaps a Republican like Schwarzenegger can have some influence with the White House."

Complete Title: Schwarzenegger Inherits Fights Between California and White House

Source: Associated Press
Author: Martha Mendoza, Associated Press
Published: October 09, 2003
Copyright: 2003 Associated Press

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Comment #22 posted by Rev Jonathan Adler on October 12, 2003 at 22:45:29 PT:

Medical Marijuana Coordinator of California?
Who really thinks California can break out of the deficit spiral without new policies, procedures and projects? I suggest a Coordinator of Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to regulate distribution rationally and assure quality, cleanliness and licensing with reasonable standards. The revenue stream is enormous and who wouldn't want to pay some of the economic growth back to the state and federal governments in the form of taxes in exhange for recognition and protection? I would like the new Governor to look at such a proposal and respond to worthy applicants for the position. I am definitely iunterested and have a history that would lend itself to this unique endeavor. *Arnold, please contact me as to how I envision this plan to work a.s.a.p. Aloha from Paradise. This can work, let's do it!

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Comment #21 posted by mayan on October 10, 2003 at 18:17:09 PT
It's all Been Rigged...
Figure it out...

Enron E-mails Confirm Schwarzenegger-Ken Lay Meeting: http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0310/S00064.htm

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Comment #20 posted by kaptinemo on October 10, 2003 at 16:40:15 PT:

And lest anyone get the wrong idea...
I am not engaging in this dialogue solely for egotistical reasons.

I'm doing this to find where my logical blind spots are.

We all have them. And they can, despite sometimes being very small, hide deadly dangers behind them. Hence my seeming infatuation with providing links, statistics, details, etc.

I WANT people to tell me where I am wrong...but most importantly, tell me *why*. It truly is how we learn and grow. Antis are cocksure of themselves, and that's why they are continually failing in their endeavors, year after year, decade after decade. They are mentally STAGNANT. Cerebrally moribund. They haven't come up with an original argument against cannabis in 6 decades. All they do is rehash, over and over and over, the same tired, worn out old tripe.

Because they simply will not allow theselves to for a mcrosecond doubt their premises. They are like mental athletes grown fat on the rich diet of funding they've gotten for so long. They couldn't hold a mental race with us ( a la a debate) and they KNOW it. Hence their proven abject cowardice in refusing to debate us; they know they'd lose ignominiously.

Whereas I, like many if us, have had to grow 'lean and mean' mentally, from always being on the defensive. Let us take the offense, and it' all over.

Part of that strategy requires, no, DEMANDS(!) that we at least have the mental wherewithal to know that we *could very well be wrong*. And the intellectual honesty to admit when we've jammed feet in our mouths.

So, I welcome criticism. I don't like it, but I welcome it because I am only too well aware of how a small blind spot can conceal a pitfall. And, because we ARE always on the defensive, always being marginalized by the big fat antis, we can't afford to get sloppy in our thinking.

Show me my blind spots; I might growl, but not at you.

I growl at my own possible blindness or stupidity...which I can't see. I, too, have an ego...but I've tried to teach it to heel and not make messes on the carpet.

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Comment #19 posted by kaptinemo on October 10, 2003 at 15:20:34 PT:

E_J, I think I've made a mistake
If you think I am Leftist, then somehow I've given you a false impression.

I am a Libertarian. Have been since I saw my first local rigged 'town meeting' for Reagan in 1976, where important questions by citizens were dismissively, contemptuously ignored by Republican Party hacks eager to press their own agendas. I became a *registered* Libertarian, voting for Mr. Clark, in 1980. And haven't voted for anyone but Libbers since then, out of sheer disgust with the Duopoly.

I don't fit in a nice, neat little pidgeonhole...neither do you. But Libbers are perhaps the most radical organized Party there is. That's the key to understanding them. 'Radical' and 'organized'. Attempting to fit Libbers onto the political scale of Left/Right just won't work. Check out the Website of the Libbers at http://www.lp.org/ and see if your concept of us might be changed.

The reason why I, a Libber, would vote for Kucinich, is based more on principle than any adherence to Party dogma.

Namely, on the fact that Kucinich has amply demonstrated time after time that he HAS principles. He also has a shot, albeit a long one, at making it. If (God forbid) he doesn't meet the same kind of Carnahan/Wellstone type of 'convenient acccident'.

I am one pissed off American, and not just because my medicine/sacrament is illegal. I hope that I am not perceived as being so shallow. I am heartily sick to death of how these slimey s***s of pols make such loud noises about matters of national concern and then as soon as elected, begin sucking off the special interest teat, and the Devil take the hindmost, guaranteeing the status quo remains untouched...while the country slides into what I truly, deeply fear may be the eventual dissolution of the Republic. I mean it. I am damned scared.

Like you, I have had the benefit of a better than average education...though no thanks to the public school system for it. I look at John Taylor Gatto's work on the origin of the present form of public education and wonder how we've survived so far. Because I've been, however briefly, in the belly of that beast and can tell you almost everything he wrote is true - horrifyingly true.

Like you, I have a better than average grasp of history...and know what happens to nations that listen to the Siren Song of Empire. None of them, not even the mighty Sov Empire is around anymore. Are we to follow it into History's dumpster? We are teetering on the knife's edge of its' maw, swaying in the wind. One more 'convenient' terrorist act and in we go. We are that close. That's why I am willing to vote for someone who many would call a Leftist.

But I am no Leftist. I repeat, I am Libber. But before I am anything, I am an American, first. A very, very worried one.

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Comment #18 posted by E_Johnson on October 10, 2003 at 13:39:26 PT
The left needs a new act
The American left wing elite has done nothing but gush huge fountains of bile since 2000.

It's been three years now. It's getting old, really.

The poor and working class left is what made Arnold into Governor-elect Schwarznegger.

If you want to gush bile at the people responsible for Arnold winning the recall, then start to work on the poor and the working class Democrats who decided to vote for him.



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Comment #17 posted by E_Johnson on October 10, 2003 at 13:35:15 PT
We're all capable of evil
This relentless hateful negativity from the left is going from annoying to appalling.

What do the Democrats stand FOR?

One could easily get the impression that the American left stands FOR nothing, there are only positions AGAINST Bush.

This is the effect of Noam Chomsky -- he only teaches people how to be as negative as humanly possible, he doesn't give anyone information or tools on which they can build anything positive.



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Comment #16 posted by kaptinemo on October 10, 2003 at 12:34:32 PT:

You are right, E_J...but only so much
Ask yourself these questions: Why is it, when most of Europe WAS being forgiving and willing to forget the past, we see the rise of neo-Nazi-sm? In the very nation that ought to know better?

Why has it sprung up in such a short time? What could have nurtured this, in a time of relative economic prosperity and peace? Why have *Gastarbeiters* been attacked with such increasing ferocity? Their homes burned? Their children subjected to taunts and worse?

No nation is safe from it's own version of barbarians within the city walls; we have our own, right here. Sadly, some are wearing cop's badges.

But, why is it that a geneartion, twice removed from the horrible contagion, willing to risk infection, again?

Because many of them still haven't learned, that's why.

I'd travelled widely through Germany in the 1980's. Unlike many of my comrades, I wasn't a 'barracks rat', who, fearing to interact would stay on post all weekend, swill beer, and count the days 'til they went back to 'The World', as the US was refered to by many grunts.

I went out and about, and rarely let on that I could understand more than a smattering of Deutsche. Most of those I met were simply wonderful people trying to get along stuck between two colossi that had not one care about turning Germany into green glowing glass. every war game I was ever on ended when the nuke cork was popped...and it always WAS. Every time. it was expecetd as part ofthe 'play book'. The Germans new this, and had no illusions.

But many of them resented my presence. Quite a few times I heard "Verdammt Amerikaner!" muttered under the breath as I passed. I ignored it. But I tried to understand why...and learned that there was a smoldering resentment, not at being garrisoned as Germany was and still is (and shouldn't be).

Nope, that resentment ran much deeper. A sense of destiny denied was the undercurrent I sensed.

Destiny denied. What kind of destiny?

We have the past to guide us for the answer...for the past is indeed the prologue. The young people who join these fascist movements have had the benefit of both educaton and tolerance...and deride both. Why?

Nations all have a character of sorts, upon which stereotypes are mutated from...but the core values are there. Yes, they are a very hard working, industrious, mostly decent people. But they have also had the not that distant past to guide them. And many choose to ignore that past.

Ah-nuld is one such. One wonders just how far he would have taken his public admiration of Hitler if he had been in private, amongst fellow countrymen. Given his behavior and other statements he's made in the past, it's a fair question.

After all, it wasn't France or Holland that produced the likes of Nietzsche...or Hitler.

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Comment #15 posted by E_Johnson on October 10, 2003 at 10:51:32 PT
This is really unfair kaptinemo
"Like a 'Good German' (I know, he's Austrian-born, but the cultural behavior patterns run deep) he'll do what he's told to"

What you are doing here without realizing it is casting Nazi guilt on Arnold's entire generation in Germany and Austria, and they weren't even born when Hitler was alive.

Arnold only first learned about Nazi atrocities when he was 16 working for a trainer who had personally witnessed Nazis murdering Jews.

Arnold was reportedly enraged by this knowledge that was kept from his generation of youth by their guilty parents. He participated in organized disruptions of neo-Nazi meetings in his town. His trainer was an anti-neo-Nazi activist.

Watch the film Nasty Girl, about a German girl of Arnold's generation who incites the anger of her town by trying to find out what happened during the war.

Arnold's generation of Austrians was not guilty for the crimes of the Nazis, and it is horrific to put this guilt on them in the name of California partisan politics.

You're slandering a whole generation by implication here because that whole generation is the offspring of Nazis, just like Arnold. They have suffered quite a bit already from the emotional agony of what happened before they were born by the people who bore them.

They are not guilty of what their parents did, so give them a break.



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Comment #14 posted by E_Johnson on October 10, 2003 at 08:55:00 PT
kaptinemo be careful
Some people are saying that the left have nothing to offer the world but angry cynicism, and that's why poor and working class Democrats voted for Arnold.

If the left is losing the poor and working class, you need more than cynicism. You need something more than clever cutting comments and phony accents on your side.

You need a plan that revolves around something more substantive than insults.



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Comment #13 posted by goneposthole on October 10, 2003 at 07:26:00 PT
Predator
An episode of the Lonely Planet with Ian Wright featured the travels into the hinterlands of Afghanistan and the no man's land of the Himalayas. He visited an extended family of herders that lived in the high altitude steppes of the Himalayas. The leader of the clan was hooked on heroin courtesy of the local Taliban. The Taliban would visit the now and then with a fresh supply of heroin for the leader of the clan, who was pleased as punch to see them. They would then confiscate the livestock of their choosing for payment. Kind of a tax system on the clan so that the leader could benefit from the 'fat of the lamb'. Does it make any sense?

Do you think the Taliban were gouging those herdsmen?



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Comment #12 posted by kaptinemo on October 10, 2003 at 05:20:27 PT:

I don't want to seem like I am spittng in the well
But Ah-nuhld and the Busch Crime Family go way back. Dee Toymen-naytuh will do their bidding, as he knows he owes his political fortunes and future to the people BEHIND the Busch Klan.

He could have been a Democrat, but chose instead, calculatedly, deliberately, to ingratiate himself with the "Party of the Rich", and made no bones about it. He's an opportunist. If the Prison Guard Association calls him on the phone and he suddenly decides to stop support of MMJ, don't be surprised.

The real test will come when he has to decide if he's going to continue the 9 Billion dollar lawsuit began by Davis and Bustamente to get Californians their money back...from the very rate gougers he was in a hotel room with back in 2001 when all the rate gouging began. what was being said and done in that hotel room, he refuses to say...just as Georgie Deux wouldn't 'fess up about his nose candy days.

If he tries to kill that lawsuit, you'll know the fix is in. He's not the power, but a 'vessel of power'. Like a 'Good German' (I know, he's Austrian-born, but the cultural behavior patterns run deep) he'll do what he's told to. I predict here that he will go back on his word, and he will allow the Feds to continue their predations on the sick.

I sincerely hope I am wrong...but that's been the pattern, of late.

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Comment #11 posted by FoM on October 09, 2003 at 21:32:36 PT
cloud7
You're welcome. I didn't think to look for news concerning Tommy Chong and I'm glad you brought it to my attention.

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Comment #10 posted by cloud7 on October 09, 2003 at 21:03:23 PT
You're welcome....
and thank you for the newshawk status :)

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Comment #9 posted by FoM on October 09, 2003 at 19:16:46 PT
Thank You cloud7
I saw the AP article you posted and did a search and found a more detailed article from the LA Times. It's a snipped source but I made a page on my personal web site so we can have the whole article and named you Newshawk. Thanks!

He's Taking One Big Hit: http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread17522.shtml

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Comment #8 posted by ekim on October 09, 2003 at 19:13:46 PT
mayan the next dem debate is rockthevote
as i beleive i heard right after the debate tonight that the next debate will be on the east coast rockthevote. hey if you can get your box read even after you thought it was deleated than the voting boxs should have cd or what ever is new that will be a physcial objet and i bet that i dont even know what all else is out there these days. for a sugestion the rockthevote people should have a box that has passed the test.

Neat part on watching the term-a-limitor FoM. i too would like to see a sensible outcome in CA on mmj.

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Comment #7 posted by cloud7 on October 09, 2003 at 18:22:47 PT
Sorry if this has already been posted
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99618,00.html

Tommy Chong has begun his prison sentence. He does not deserve this and neither does anyone else.



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Comment #6 posted by mayan on October 09, 2003 at 17:41:59 PT
You Gotta See This...
Rise of the digital voting machines(flash animation):(http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/votingmachines.htm

More on the death of our right to vote...

IRREGULARITIES IN CALIFORNIA RACE!! Long-shot candidates do startlingly well in Tulare County - DIEBOLD MACHINES YIELD FISHY RESULTS!!! http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

Computer Scientists Fear Voter Fraud: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99241,00.html

Election-Fraud Website Removed Before Tuesday Recall Vote: http://www.tomflocco.com/

Time to Recall E-Vote Machines? http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60713,00.html

Black Box Voting - Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century: http://whitestarwebsitedesign.com/bbvreport/modules.php?name=Forums&file=index&c=5

YOUR STOLEN VOTE - THE MISSING PIECE OF THE PUZZLE: http://www.skullandcrossbones.org/news/voting.htm

DIEBOLD VOTING MACHINE TALLIES A NEGATIVE 16,022: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=37706

How To Rig An Election In The United States(links) http://whatreallyhappened.com/rigvote.html

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Comment #5 posted by Virgil on October 09, 2003 at 17:28:14 PT
Article by Alexander Cockburn
Cockburn is one of the two editors at CounterPunch.org. He is a literary professional and author. Today he wrote about Davis, Arnold and California- http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn10092003.html

Because the first two paragraphs are about Davis's warpedness in supporting the prison industrial complex, the first two paragraphs will follow- Gray Davis, good riddance! Into the political coffin with you and off you go to the crypt. The line I remember from your first inauguration speech in Sacramento was your creepy pledge that you would be "death on crime". You let your voice peck at the word "death" like a vulture tasting a corpse, and I remember thinking then what a degraded creature you were, serf of the prison warders' union, and of anyone who shoved enough money into your money sock, the threadbare soul of the Democratic Party.

You played the politics of death all the way through. There are prisoners in California, convicted of murder a couple of decades ago, who've served their full sentences, who kept a perfect record of good behavior, and who still rot behind bars because you wouldn't sign off on their release. And then, in case anyone had forgotten what your were like after four years, you poured out cash to keep Riordan off the Republican ballot, denouncing him because he might be soft on Death.



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Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on October 09, 2003 at 16:42:11 PT
Hope faith and love
Wisdom is the mother of hope, faith and love.



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Comment #3 posted by Jose Melendez on October 09, 2003 at 13:54:06 PT
Draw Strength from Mercy
JFK needed medications that would have gotten him thrown out of office. Maybe Maria can help.

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Comment #2 posted by Max Flowers on October 09, 2003 at 13:51:54 PT
FoM
Hope? A good thought, but too soft an attitude FoM. It's more like this: we tell Schwarzenegger in no uncertain terms that if he does not fight hard for Californians on medical cannabis, and if he stabs patients in the back by sympathizing and cooperating with the Bush administration on it, then he is no friend of ours and we will let him know at the voting booth next time* as well as in many other ways.

It won't be nearly enough to hope that he sees it that way, it's up to us to MAKE him see it that way, and I suggest we start immediately.

*that is if he doesn't shrink away from re-election in a year after realizing the mammoth problems he has asked for and received.

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Comment #1 posted by FoM on October 09, 2003 at 13:18:41 PT
Let's All Hope!
Last night we saw the Terminator II and we kept thinking how intimating he is. I wonder if in real life he can stand up to Bush about medical marijuana?

PS: For those who have a satellite and are interested they are showing Schwarzenegger movies back to back on the Sci-Fi Channel tonight. It's channel 244.

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