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Posted by CN Staff on June 19, 2003 at 15:52:40 PT
By Reuters  
Source: Reuters 

cannabis San Francisco -- Future engineers, mathematicians and economists beware. A new study finds that high school students who smoke marijuana are likely to see lower math scores, and ultimately, lower wages, than peers.

Poets and literary types may have less to fear however. Scores showed no difference on reading scores between potheads and those who abstained from the weed.

Economist Rosalie Pacula from the public policy group RAND presented her findings at a conference on global health economics in San Francisco this week and detailed her work in an interview on Thursday.

"It makes a lot of sense that it (marijuana) would affect certain types of cognitive functioning, particularly things that are hard to grasp like math," she said.

Her study looked at 6,000 standardized test scores of those who started using marijuana after the 10th grade in 1990 and compared with results when they were in the 12th grade in 1992.

Those who started smoking marijuana had 15 percent lower scores in math than non-smokers but no difference in the reading test, Pacula said. That lower math score could result in a salary 2 percent lower later in life, her research found.

Source: Reuters
Published: June 19, 2003
Copyright: 2003 Reuters

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Comment #12 posted by FoM on June 21, 2003 at 20:48:44 PT
Lehder
I'm just checking article for anything I need to fix that I might have missed and found your comment and I'm impressed. I must be honest and say I don't really understand what you mean but it sounds so good. Thanks!

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Comment #11 posted by Lehder on June 20, 2003 at 05:30:17 PT
science: method or madness?
It depends on what you think of math and science. For stargazers and low-wage poets or literary types like me, math consists of what a third-grader does while ciphering furtively on fingers before an instructor with a stop watch, and what an accountant or economist can do very quickly to perfection.

The Scientific Method, on the other hand, begins with collection of at least 6,000 observations. The data are organized into categories that are assigned scientific names like "cognitive function" and "pothead". To the trained eye, patterns emerge in the nomenclature, then hypotheses are formed and systematized into a theory.

Sometimes, hypotheses emerge from a single datum, or no data at all, that are compelling enough to force a theory and to impose that theory onto the social order.

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Comment #10 posted by ekim on June 19, 2003 at 21:29:27 PT
Carl -----the man
who made me think when he use to say " Billions and Billions" ----way to go EJ maken us proud.

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Comment #9 posted by FoM on June 19, 2003 at 20:50:37 PT
A Question
I wonder how many that were tested didn't like Math before they ever smoked. I know I never got into Math but Science I loved. Each person has one or more talents and that is a big part of why a test like this could come out with certain results and not be right at all.

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Comment #8 posted by Dan B on June 19, 2003 at 20:41:33 PT
In her own words
Rosalie Pacula says, "It makes a lot of sense that it (marijuana) would affect certain types of cognitive functioning, particularly things that are hard to grasp like math."

Well, I guess that answers my question about the eleven years it took Rosalie to do the math for her "study." One would think that with eleven years to work the math, she would at least get it right.

Maybe she was smoking to much cannabis. : )

Dan B

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Comment #7 posted by Dan B on June 19, 2003 at 20:38:01 PT
Let me get this straight . . .
. . . this study was completed in 1992, and its "findings" are only now being trumpeted in the media? How long did it take Rosalie Pacula to do the math? Perhaps it took her that long to cook the books! And, what is an economist doing a study on the effects of cannabis for, anyway? This study has only a contrived relationship with economics (the afterthought that a decline in math scores due to cannabis use could reduce one's future earnings). It sounds to me like this study has its foundation in preconception rather than on the scientific method.

Shouldn't an economist know that a correlation between cannabis use and lower math scores does not prove that cannabis consumption causes lower math scores? Could it not be that those who are less math-oriented and more reading-oriented are more likely to use cannabis?

If that's not enough, look at this wording: "Those who started smoking marijuana had 15 percent lower scores in math than non-smokers but no difference in the reading test, Pacula said." Notice, she did not say that those who started smoking had lower 12th grade scores than 10th grade scores, nor did she say that the difference between the 10th grade scores and 12th grade scores for non-smokers was greater than the difference between 10th grade scores and 12th grade scores for smokers. Indeed, she neglected to mention any change over time at all, even though this study was clearly designed to measure changes in scores over time. It could very well be that the nonsmokers had lower math scores to begin with, which would suggest a personality trait that distinguishes those who are more likely to smoke cannabis from those less likely to. Of course, we cannot know for sure because this report does not give us all of the facts--only the NIDA approved version.

Then, of course, there is mayan's astute observation that there is no way to know whether the self-reporting of cannabis usage is accurate, thus it must be assumed inaccurate. We cannot say we know something with certainty unless (surprise!) we actually know something with certainty. Basic science.

Go figure that such concepts are lost on this RAND economist.

Dan B

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Comment #6 posted by freedom fighter on June 19, 2003 at 20:32:50 PT
1 plus 1
equals Rosalie Pacula!

After all she is an Economist!

I supposed she never met the guys who worked for my company..

We built 1000 homes in a year. 90% of the company on weed @ 110% of the time. And we been doing this for 20 years..

And we were singing!

1 plus 1

equals

Rosalie Pacula!!

After all she is an Economist!

Not!!

pace

ff

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Comment #5 posted by mayan on June 19, 2003 at 17:37:26 PT
Vague
"Her study looked at 6,000 standardized test scores of those who started using marijuana after the 10th grade in 1990 and compared with results when they were in the 12th grade in 1992.

Those who started smoking marijuana had 15 percent lower scores in math than non-smokers but no difference in the reading test, Pacula said. That lower math score could result in a salary 2 percent lower later in life, her research found."

Reading is generally more appealling to a smoker(toker?) than math. It leaves more to the imagination...at least imho. I can see how reading would maintain a smokers interest throughout school.

Also, maybe the herb let the "smokers" realize that they had the talent to create music,draw,paint or write. Maybe they allotted their time towards their true interests & neglected their math studies. And how did those conducting the study know for a fact that the "non-smokers" were truly non-smokers? This is just another vague,meaningless study. It's amazing that Reuters wasted their time with this.

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Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on June 19, 2003 at 17:05:57 PT
Talk to the author yourself
Rosalie Pacula at RAND:

Rosalie_Pacula@rand.org

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Comment #3 posted by E_Johnson on June 19, 2003 at 16:53:23 PT
The top physicists in the country are potheads
I could name you SEVERAL names right now, several people in physics and astrophysics who are pot smokers, and they know enough math each one of them to stun into whimpering submission any Reuters reporter alive.

A few of these recreational closet cases have had the nerve to try to bum weed from ME at a physics conference and then tell me that they don't care if marijuana remains illegal.

The rest of the crowd in physics, however, tends to see my marijuana activism as a heroic activity on their behalf.

I finished my Ph.D. in physics while a member of the LACRC, and that is a documented fact.

This result is more junk science from the correlation is causation folks.



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Comment #2 posted by Jose Melendez on June 19, 2003 at 16:07:16 PT
tumbling down...
from:

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030619/CPN/24270022&cachetime=15

Breaking Canadian News Online Thursday, June 19, 2003

Dozens smoke pot at Toronto police station flaunting "lawful right" to toke

TORONTO (CP) - Dozens of pot smokers toked in front of Toronto police headquarters at 4:20 p.m. Thursday and were ignored by authorities as they flaunted what cannabis crusader Marc Emery called "the lawful right to possess marijuana."

Emery, a Vancouver resident, had promoted the event on one his Web sites, pot-tv.net, telling fellow pot enthusiasts: "In Ontario, Canada, you can walk the streets freely with your marijuana. You can smoke marijuana anywhere it is legal to smoke tobacco." At Thursday's pot party there was no visible police presence; the revellers were left to smoke their joints, bongs and pipes in peace.

A few cruisers passed by briefly but no officers were seen amongst the crowd. Inside police headquarters, no officers were made available to comment.

Police organizations in Ontario have said they will not lay charges for possession of marijuana under 30 grams until the laws are clarified.

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Comment #1 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on June 19, 2003 at 16:02:54 PT
Marc Emery and the Toronto Puffdown
First reports are in: http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030619/CPN/24270022&cachetime=15

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