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  U.S. Plans Breathalyzer-Like Drug Test for Drivers
Posted by CN Staff on November 19, 2002 at 13:47:45 PT
By Laura MacInnis 
Source: Reuters 

justice Roadside drug tests modeled after breathalyzers are nearly ready for use in the United States, helping police identify drivers impaired by illegal substances, officials said on Tuesday.

National Drug Control Policy Director John Walters said the cheap, on-the-spot tests would hasten the arrest of those driving under the influence of illegal drugs like marijuana or cocaine, as well as alcohol.

"Soon officers will have the ability to positively identify someone who is endangering others' lives on the road," he told a news briefing at the National Drug Control Policy office. "This is not something we are powerless to do something about."

Walters said the drug tests were in the last stages of trials, but he declined to say when the new devices would be deployed. Similar technology has also been used in pilot tests in Britain and continental Europe.

Critics of America's so-called "war on drugs" said the new tests could spur an abuse of power by authorities aiming to crack down on recreational drug users.

"The way I understand it, if you have any evidence of the drug in your system you are presumed to be the equivalent of a drunk driver," said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance in Washington.

"We're not talking about a three or four hour window. A urine or blood test could show marijuana if you smoked a joint 10 days ago."

While he backed the campaign against impaired driving, Nadelmann said roadside drug tests would require lawmakers to agree on a minimum intoxication level, below which individuals would be free to go.

"Treat marijuana and other drugs the way we treat alcohol. Test for real impairment. Test for whether people are under the influence," he said.

Nevada resident Gary Thompson, whose wife Sandy was killed at a stoplight by a driver high on marijuana, said strict tests were needed to curb the social acceptability of drugged driving, particularly among young people.

"We don't care what people do in the privacy of their own homes, but we do care what they do on our roads," he told the news briefing.

"We have to make it possible to prosecute violators after innocent people die."

Source: Reuters
Author: Laura MacInnis
Published: November 19, 2002
Copyright: 2002 Reuters News Service
Website: http://www.reuters.com
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Related Articles & Web Site:

Drug Policy Alliance
http://www.drugpolicy.org/

Driving Drugged Often Not Enough To Prosecute
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14761.shtml

Many, Undetected, Use Drugs and Then Drive
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread14753.shtml

Medications' Effects on Driving Weighed
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread11406.shtml


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Comment #15 posted by FoM on December 20, 2003 at 20:39:29 PT
Dankhank
You're welcome. I'm glad I can help.

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Comment #14 posted by Dankhank on December 20, 2003 at 19:00:02 PT
Thanks FOM
great links ... I'm not nearly as organized as I like to think that I am.

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Comment #13 posted by aolbites on November 21, 2002 at 22:11:01 PT
drug test machine
key is that they don't detect metabolites, detects THC - so test is true influence based test for driving/flying etc. ... not last month use..

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Comment #12 posted by BGreen on November 20, 2002 at 07:23:13 PT
Dr. Russo
I've just returned from Amsterdam, where this kind of absurdity wouldn't exist, and I spent quite a bit of time with Mila Jansen. I told her I'd remind you to send her "several" copies of your upcoming issue containing her article. She's one fascinating lady.

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Comment #11 posted by Ethan Russo MD on November 20, 2002 at 07:03:59 PT:

Clarification
There is no currently available test employing any technology that correlates breath, serum or saliva THC or metabolite levels with impairment, and there likely never will be. What counts is what's in the brain. Even there, we do not have functional MRI, SPECT or PET scans to measure it at present.

There is no scientific justification for what the government is trying to do. It is another power grab that will lead to the total erosion of civil liberties.

Whether due to fatigue, alcohol, prescription or recreational drugs, the real issue is observed impairment. I am all for keeping the weaving or reckless driver off the road. No one is a bigger critic of drunk driving than me. I do not want a person who is so stoned as to be impaired to be driving, either, but this is a distinct rarity. Some people will "legitimately" have THC in their system due to Marinol use, or that of prescription cannabis products, whenever we can manage to get that approved.

I have the same viewpoint on this that I do about most things. We need impeccability, reproducibility, consistency, and justice. If someone is observed to be driving badly, they should be stopped, and observed. A field sobriety test using well-established selections of the neurological exam should be performed and a breath test for alcohol done. Police can learn to do this. If a person fails and is felt in good faith to be a genuine danger to themselves or others, they should be arrested and perhaps then examined for the presence of a battery of compounds in their blood or urine, but the mere presence of traces of drug metabolites should not lead to a per se conviction. Dangerous is dangerous irrespective of source. Some states may consider requiring that the drowsy sleep apnea patient receive adequate treatment before driving again.

There is also technology that has been occasionally utilized in people convicted of drunk driving that requires them to key in certain numbers within a time limit, or perform other computer-derived tasks to rule out impairment before allowing the car to be started. Although it smacks of Big Brother, if our society is really serious about this issue, such devices would be a better solution than assuming everyone is guilty on the flimsiest of pretenses.

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Comment #10 posted by BigDawg on November 20, 2002 at 06:15:56 PT
This COULD be a good thing
If the test is for imeediate impairment, then I like the idea. This puts MJ in the same boat as alcohol and may help us in the move towards legalization. All DUI should be handled in the same manner. Driving while high may be less dangerous than driving drunk, but IMO it should be part of DUI law. Such a test would also be good for the workplace. I have no problem with an employer wanting to know if I'm high on the job, but it isn't his/her business if I smoke at home.

On the other hand.... somehow I doubt that this test will only have an effective window of immediate impairment. Many problems will arise if it is similar to current tests showing you have indulged within the last 30 days.

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Comment #9 posted by greenmed on November 19, 2002 at 15:38:54 PT
metabolites
As I understand it, the standard urine tests assay not for THC, but for its (inactive) metabolites, which are detectable for many weeks after use. If the breathalyzer works on the same technology, it is not a valid measure of intoxication, much less of driving ability, which some studies have shown is actually enhanced by low levels of cannabis use. I agree, pokesmotter, this is a rather transparent attempt once again to target cannabis users in new and innovative ways. If those same people who own stock in urine-testing companies would only realize it, they could make just as large a profit from marketing a roadside impairment testing device that measures reaction time, for instance. That would really be a step toward making the roads safer, whether impairment is due to alcohol, Rxs, cocaine, sleepiness, anger, etc.

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Comment #8 posted by DdC on November 19, 2002 at 15:18:26 PT
The State vs. Doctors
Profiling suspects, instant checks, tests. Forced treatment to raise statistics saying more users now and the beat goes on... Peace, Love and Liberty or the Funk of D.E.A.th

DdC

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The drug war will continue to affect the way we practice medicine. Law enforcement pesters us to be their assistants in turning over to them patients who break the drug laws. This encourages patients to hide rather than reveal vital information to their physicians. Drug laws have also caused many physicians to inadequately treat the pain of the dying patient out of fear of the law. Nursing care has been affected as well.

Some day, hopefully, all drug addiction will be treated more like we treat alcoholism; as a disease or social aberration rather than as a crime. The drug war has done more harm to our society than the drugs themselves. The medical community should help to reeducate the public on this serious problem.

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A few simple but important reminders are in order. Always remain inquisitive, studying and keeping up with new medical knowledge. This is your easiest task. You have proven your ability just by being here today.

But also be inquisitive in other areas. Economics, politics, and the arts (that you so far have had little time for) are vital subjects that can provide satisfaction and challenge us.

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I’m convinced that the freer the society is the better this job can be done, and that can only be achieved through education and political action. Freedom is never automatic. Without due vigilance, the only thing that is automatic is that the good intentions of the politicians, like the good intentions of George Washington’s doctors, will not suffice – they will only make our problems worse.

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Comment #7 posted by FoM on November 19, 2002 at 15:03:51 PT
Nasarius
Yes it is. My one nephew lost his car. It cost over $40,000. It was because of drinking though. No accident but he was intoxicated.

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Comment #6 posted by Nasarius on November 19, 2002 at 14:58:35 PT
Re: Breathalyzers
>>Why won't they stop?<<

Simple: Confiscating cars is a big business.

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Comment #5 posted by FoM on November 19, 2002 at 14:25:46 PT
pokesmotter
You could be right. I know it seems that it will be ok for a person to drive under the influence of powerful, mind altering prescription drugs and they really do impair a person and they shouldn't drive under the influence of those drugs but people do. Only illegal drugs and that sure isn't going to help keep impaired drivers off the road.

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Comment #3 posted by pokesmotter on November 19, 2002 at 14:16:08 PT:

possible answer FoM
i think it is *possible* that they may be doing this to set up a framework for a more intricate cannabis prohibition that will be harder to bring down. this way they can arrest more people for using marijuana. doing this, they also get more laws about restricting marijuana use. pure speculation on my part though. one thing i do know is that i would rather be in a car with a high driver than a drunk one. still, i have to agree that people who are really high should not drive. but that is a very gray area. what is "very high?" when is anyone sober enough to drive? these very complicated questions should be thought about for the future.

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Comment #2 posted by The GCW on November 19, 2002 at 14:13:05 PT
Treat cannabis like it is legal.
In reality, if someone is so stoned that they should not be driving, even on cannabis, then I want them off the road too.

Most of the time cannabis would not be an issue.

Recreational cannabis user: Yes sir, I had a single beer and a single joint at a party sir.

Kind officer: OK sir, YOu'r welcome to go, Your Breathalyzer imparement test is below the legal limit. Please drive safely.

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Comment #1 posted by FoM on November 19, 2002 at 14:04:37 PT
Breathalyzers
Isn't this something? When will they stop? Why won't they stop?

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