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  Number of Joints Possible with 3 Ounces Debated
Posted by CN Staff on October 15, 2002 at 11:02:55 PT
By Dan Kulin  
Source: Las Vegas Sun  

cannabis The organization leading the push for the decriminalization of 3 ounces of marijuana in Nevada is trying to use its opposition's words against them.

In a new commercial expected to begin airing Wednesday, Washoe County District Attorney Richard Gammick, Metro Police Undersheriff Richard Winget and Metro narcotics Detective Todd Raybuck are shown saying how many marijuana cigarettes can be made with 3 ounces of marijuana.

With light quiz show music playing in the background, Gammick says 90, Winget says more than 120, and Raybuck says more than 250.

"Opponents will say anything to scare us into voting against Question 9," the commercial announcer says. "Can we really trust anything they say?"

Question 9 asks voters if possession of up to 3 ounces of marijuana should be legal in Nevada. Because the question would amend the state Constitution, it must be passed twice by voters.

Billy Rogers, campaign manager for the pro-Question 9 group Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement, said the commercial gives another example of his opponents' lying.

But the three anti-Question 9 law enforcement officials seen in the 30-second spot said the debate is not about how many marijuana cigarettes can be made with 3 ounces, it's about legalizing marijuana, and that this latest commercial ducks the real issue.

During a news conference Monday at the Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement's Las Vegas headquarters, Rogers played the new commercial and weighed Camel unfiltered cigarettes to show what 250 cigarettes weigh and how many cigarettes are in 3 ounces.

According to the scales next to Rogers' podium, 250 cigarettes weigh about 8 ounces, and 90 cigarettes weigh about 3 ounces.

Rogers said the difference "goes to the heart of (the Question 9 opponents') campaign. Their campaign has not been truthful."

The varying number of marijuana cigarettes that Question 9 opponents say can be made from 3 ounces "is intended to scare people" into thinking 3 ounces is a lot of marijuana, Rogers said.

Three ounces of marijuana is enough to keep a medical marijuana user supplied for a month, Rogers said.

Winget said that when he said 3 ounces of marijuana could be turned into 120 cigarettes, he had just looked at a document that said 3 ounces was enough for 90 to 120 marijuana cigarettes. But he said once the number became an issue, he had a detective find out firsthand.

Raybuck said he took 3 ounces of marijuana and rolled it into cigarettes, and ended up with 250.

Raybuck's marijuana cigarettes were not as big as tobacco cigarettes, but he said he doubted anyone could roll a marijuana cigarette as tightly as a machine makes tobacco cigarettes.

Hand-rolled cigarettes or joints are often smaller and the size depends on the potency of the marijuana. The higher the potency, the smaller the cigarette.

"The number of joints you get from 3 ounces depends on how fat you roll them," Raybuck said. "We can argue numbers, but the real issue is how legalization is a good thing."

Rogers said Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement has been discussing the issues. He said Question 9 would free up police for more important crimes and give medical marijuana users a way to get marijuana other than from illegal drug dealers.

Rogers said the opposition has misled the public, and the changing number of marijuana cigarettes that can be made from 3 ounces is just one example.

Rogers said some people opposed to Question 9 have also said drug cartels are supporting the initiative, that medical marijuana users can get marijuana seeds from the state Agriculture Department, and that Question 9 would allow people to go to work after smoking marijuana. Rogers called those statements false or misleading.

Clark County Chief Deputy District Attorney Gary Booker, who incorrectly said medical marijuana users can get seeds from the state, is now chairman of the Nevadans Against Legalizing Marijuana. Booker could not be reached for comment Monday.

The cartel comment was also attributed to Booker. Sandy Heverly, executive director of Stop DUI, said Booker said Question 9 supporters were being backed by cartels, not drug cartels.

"A cartel is just a group," she said.

Rogers said the ad featuring Gammick, Winget and Raybuck will begin running on Wednesday, and he does not know how long or how often the ad will be used. The group has made five other commercials, he said.

A poll done by Rogers' group shows voters evenly split on Question 9.

Note: Question 9 argument becomes food for commercial.

Complete Title: Number of Joints Possible with 3 Ounces of Pot Debated

Source: Las Vegas Sun (NV)
Author: Dan Kulin
Published: October 15, 2002
Copyright: 2002 Las Vegas Sun, Inc.
Contact: letters@lasvegassun.com
Website: http://www.lasvegassun.com/

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Comment #20 posted by MaryJaneFreedom on October 16, 2002 at 18:38:11 PT
Television ads
I think the supporters of Question 9 should show every comment Walters and the opposition has said in their TV ads and in speaches. Then show how in reality the exact opposite it true.

Legalizing stops cartels, not suports them. Legalizing lowers teen access and usage, not increases it.

It's obvious that the opposition is trying to change the subject. Who would really care how many joints you can roll from 3 ounces of marijuana. Besides, 3 ounces is less than one plant produces!

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Comment #19 posted by knox42897 on October 15, 2002 at 21:37:27 PT:

VOLUNTEERING TIME AT NRLE
Hello Freedom Fighters, I wanted to tell everyone that if you can not send any money to NRLE, please donate some time volunteering. I have volunteered quite a bit and will so all the way to the election. Right now help is needed taking Question 9 support signs and placing them in people's yard's. There is also phone polling work. The point is this is YOUR chance to help (re)LEGALIZE our sacred Herb. PIERRE

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Comment #18 posted by Had Enough on October 15, 2002 at 17:22:54 PT
Polls
About the polls evenly split:

In the last line in this article:

“A poll done by Rogers' group shows voters evenly split on Question 9.”

In A previous article:

"Already more than 100,000 registered voters signed the petition that put the question on the ballot. And election officials and parents of teenagers are noticing a spike in interest from a typically apathetic voting demographic -- 18- to 25-year-olds. Clark County's Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax says that although specific statistics on the number of teenagers registering to vote for the general election are not kept, he has seen signs that Question 9 is motivating teens to get involved. "We did have a lot of young people, including some with green hair and nose rings, that went through the field registrar's class and told us they were there because of the marijuana initiative," Lomax said.

The lines above can be found here: http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14214.shtml

Wonder how many of these people were polled? I would be willing to say not very many. Polls can be used either way, depending on how, and where they are taken. I’m sure that Rogers' group have done their polling as accurate as they could, however it is hard to get accurate answers.

Teenagers, and people with green hair and nose rings are WE THE PEOPLE also. This vote will pass 60% +.

VOTE VOTE VOTE

Do not forget our friends at http://www.nrle.org They are serious and are doing a professional job. They need money, a lot of it and now. Send them anything. Every bit helps. The time is here to do our part.

Nevada is taking a big step for man, and huge gigantic leaps and bounds for mankind.

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Comment #17 posted by mayan on October 15, 2002 at 17:01:17 PT
GCW...
I couldn't agree more! It's ok to smoke chemical & carcinogen-laden cigarettes, but don't smoke the dreaded devil-weed! Does anyone believe that the government cares about their health or well-being? I sure don't! It all comes down to the self-interests of the RepubliCrat's corporate-duopoly! The war on marijuana is ultimately a war on industrial hemp. If marijuana becomes legal there will be no excuse for the government to keep industrial hemp illegal. When the real motive for the marijuana laws is exposed, those laws will cease to be.

Cannabis Hemp:The Invisible Prohibition Revealed - http://www.sumeria.net/politics/invpro.html

The Elkhorn Manifesto - SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA: The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate Medical Cannabis and Industrial Hemp Re-legalization: http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html

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Comment #16 posted by The GCW on October 15, 2002 at 16:12:50 PT
Once Re-legalized...
I will wish to treat it as fairly as cigs. Just what is the law, for how many cartons of the seriously deadly cigs are You allowed to store?

If I can have a case of the extremely deadly nicotine, then I don't want some urine sucker in my way about how much cannabis I can have.

3oz.? I put more than 3 ounces of oragano on pizza... not really...

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Comment #15 posted by Had Enough on October 15, 2002 at 16:09:11 PT
The Missing Link
Link to statement concearning drug cartel in Las Vegas Sun below

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/archives/2002/oct/09/100910604.html?booker

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Comment #14 posted by Had Enough on October 15, 2002 at 16:05:01 PT
More Statements
As stated in this article

“The cartel comment was also attributed to Booker. Sandy Heverly, executive director of Stop DUI, said Booker said Question 9 supporters were being backed by cartels, not drug cartels. "A cartel is just a group," she said.”

This line appeared in an article in the Las Vegas Sun Oct 9, 2002

“Booker claimed at a state Board of Health meeting on Friday that a man with ties to South American drug cartels was financing Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement”

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Comment #13 posted by DdC on October 15, 2002 at 14:55:33 PT
3 oz. Includes the weight of stems, plastic bags,
and seeds. Though they've been less and less the past 10 years since they've become a commodity themselves. The major reality breaker is what many have noted. It depends on the quality of the ganja. Better ganja = less toked.

Numbers designed to make the stash sound bigger is what is the cops motive. Scare the people to protect the kids BS. How many kids overdose and die from pot? The same as adults, ZERO!

How many joints are in a hookah bowl?

How many joints are in a brownie?

How many joints are in a glass of Bhang?

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Even at 250 joints divided by 30 days = 8.33 per day.

1 joint every 2 hours? (minus 8hr.4 sleep)Still not a lot...

90 joints per month divided by 30 days = 3 a day or a joint every 5 hours or so.



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Comment #12 posted by knox42897 on October 15, 2002 at 14:10:29 PT:

DEA CARTELS
"The number of joints you get from 3 ounces depends on how fat you roll them," Raybuck said.

Still the comparison in weight to a the thickness of a standard cigarrett clearly illustrates how much 3 oz's is to a naive cannabis smoker.

"We can argue numbers, but the real issue is how legalization is a good thing."

Yes, (re)legalization is a good thing, I can't argue there!

We are going to the set the standard with this initiative. This will be an example to the rest of the 49 states. Nevada had the toughest laws against cannabis, now we are one of the most lenient. When we pass Question 9 and legalize 3 oz's on cannabis this should help Canadians with there legalization efforts. All the laws will fall!

LAS VEGAS NEVADANS FOR RESPONSIBLE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN AMERICA AND THE WORLD

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Comment #11 posted by schmeff on October 15, 2002 at 13:53:43 PT
Cops speak with forked tongue
The spokespeople for the LEO community NOW say that the number of joints that can be rolled from 3 oz. is not the issue.

But it was the issue when THEY brought it up. Backpedal and Spin is more than just Las Vegas cops on bicycles.

The forked tongue is a valuable asset for a cop, as it allows them to dunk their donuts without using their hands.

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Comment #10 posted by karkulus on October 15, 2002 at 13:50:54 PT
For the sake of the babies..
What about the paper factor?? Yoo Hoo! I saw the "Jumbo bag 'o' Joints" they were showing a month or so ago on "Crossfire", and other shows,and they were CLEARLY "over-rolled" using massively excessive amounts of paper.You could tell just by looking the ends were almost parallel ,like they used 2 "Easywider" 1 1/2 width papers stuck together!

No wonder they don't like pot ..They're gagging on all that extra paper!

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Comment #9 posted by medicinal toker on October 15, 2002 at 13:14:09 PT
sticks and stems
Thanks to cannabis prohibition, black market pot is often loaded with seeds and stems. Once you get done cleaning it, I would estimate sometimes you may lose up to a quarter or more of the original weight.

So these cops are just blowing smoke, the whole question is once again colored by prohibition itself. I hope Nevada voters don't buy into the lies and hyperbole these cops are spouting.

In a state where you can piss your life savings away on slots and sluts, legal pot seems pretty moderate to me.



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Comment #8 posted by TroutMask on October 15, 2002 at 12:49:26 PT
So 1 ounce is okay?
There was another article posted on this awesome site not too long ago and the author's premise was "If 3 ounces is too much, is 1 ounce okay?" As if! This "3 ounces is too much" is a bunch of BS. Would they be okay with the measure if the amount was 2 ounces? 1 ounce? 1/2 ounce? NO! It's just nit-picky BS because the anti's have nothing else to go on.

-TM

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Comment #7 posted by TecHnoCult on October 15, 2002 at 12:48:08 PT
delariand
No kidding! I know plenty of tokers, including myself, that would love to prove this guy wrong. I can almost put 2 grams in a zig TIGHTER than any cig!

THC

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Comment #6 posted by Nasarius on October 15, 2002 at 12:44:54 PT
And this matters because...?
State-licensed stores would be allowed to sell marijuana if this passes. So why does anyone care how much one individual can have?

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Comment #5 posted by delariand on October 15, 2002 at 12:42:41 PT
Really now?
"Raybuck's marijuana cigarettes were not as big as tobacco cigarettes, but he said he doubted anyone could roll a marijuana cigarette as tightly as a machine makes tobacco cigarettes."

I'd love to roll this guy a joint and prove him wrong :) He's just never taken the time to meet a skilled stoner.

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Comment #4 posted by Dankhank on October 15, 2002 at 12:22:52 PT:

CRLs flying outtahere
Sent four more Cannabis Reference Library discs today ...Get 'em while they're hot .......

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Comment #3 posted by malleus on October 15, 2002 at 12:17:09 PT
Oh, Lordy! They must love the taste of toes
They keep sticking them in their mouths so much:

*Clark County Chief Deputy District Attorney Gary Booker, who incorrectly said medical marijuana users can get seeds from the state, is now chairman of the Nevadans Against Legalizing Marijuana. Booker could not be reached for comment Monday.

The cartel comment was also attributed to Booker. Sandy Heverly, executive director of Stop DUI, said Booker said Question 9 supporters were being backed by cartels, not drug cartels.

"A cartel is just a group," she said.*

Everyone not living under a rock these past 30 years knows that the word 'cartel' carries a nasty meaning. Nobody speaks about 'hospital cartels' or 'soup kitchen cartels', only 'drug cartels' and 'banking cartels' and 'oil cartels'. People you wouldn't associate with because of the sneaky things they do. Now this LEO jerk has tried to slap us with the 'cartel' label in hopes of having people make that 'cartel = evil' association.

But it blew up in his face because he very lazily didn't do his homework, thinking he could get a crib sheet from the LaRouchies. He didn't check his sources, or didn't care, or was a closet supporter of LaRouche. In any event, it all turned out the same.

No matter. He can try to backpedal all he wants, but now an association of Booker = LaRouche = right wing crackpot has been made in the public's mind, and we must do everything we can to make sure that the public isn't allowed to forget that.

Because the age old question is: if he's wrong about that, what else is he wrong about? The antis can't afford to have that question asked, as it will the pulling on the string that unravells their whole soiled laundry.



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Comment #2 posted by FoM on October 15, 2002 at 11:34:15 PT
druid
I checked and I even tried to go in thru the MPP's web site. It's down. I'm sure they will get it fixed fast.

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Comment #1 posted by druid on October 15, 2002 at 11:28:08 PT:

NRLE website
Anyone else having troubles getting it currently? I can't connect to it today.

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