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Posted by CN Staff on May 25, 2002 at 14:40:01 PT By State Sen. Robert F. Hagan Source: Columbus Dispatch 
The Ohio Drug Treatment Initiative headed for this November's ballot would overhaul the state's drug war, offering treatment instead of jail time for nonviolent offenders. A Buckeye State Poll shows 74 percent of voters want to see it happen. Meanwhile, a tone-deaf Gov. Bob Taft is leading the charge to "just say no,'' often distorting the measure in the process. Now comes the nation's drug cop telling Ohioans to oppose the initiative. Drug Enforcement Administration chief Asa Hutchinson tells us Ohio is doing just fine with drug offenders and that we don't need to expand treatment options ("Drug treatment needs accountability,'' Forum column, May 14). In his column, Hutchinson said, "Treatment alone too often becomes a revolving door.'' He said "accountability" is needed in treatment. He argued that the criminal- justice system must monitor addicts closely and punish their transgressions. Great. Supporters of the ballot measure, including me, agree with all these statements. That's why we want to see this initiative approved by voters. It has all the elements the Hutchinson would want. But for purely political reasons, he turned a blind eye to each of them. For instance, drug offenders placed in treatment under the ballot measure will be subject to urine testing and other daily monitoring. Treatment providers, probation officers, independent experts and judges all will be watching each offender's progress. A major section of the initiative spells out how the court should react to program violations with sanctions and intensification of treatment. The ultimate "accountability'' is a jail or prison sentence. This consequence hangs over the head of every person in treatment under the terms of the ballot measure. The court can remove a noncompliant offender and ship him or her up the river. But Hutchinson said the initiative "robs judges of their power'' and "would remove the critical court oversight and accountability.'' Both claims are simply false, as anyone reading the initiative can see. Hutchinson touted the state's current drug-court system as the alternative. What's the difference between that and the initiative? Not much, except the initiative would instantly make every court in Ohio a drug court. Hutchinson called drug courts a "realistic'' program that "accepts relapse as part of recovery.'' The initiative says, similarly, that relapse should be understood as "often a part of the process of recovery signaling the need for a consequence or increase in the level of care.'' In both systems, judges try to keep a person in treatment while there is hope for recovery. Everyone seems to understand that jails don't cure addiction. Drug courts offer treatment for up to one year, and "not,'' Hutchinson said, "for 90 days.'' If Hutchinson is claiming that the initiative limits treatment to 90 days, he is simply wrong. The initiative provides up to one year of treatment upon entry, and in some cases, treatment could be extended to 18 months. The philosophies are almost identical, but the initiative promises a much bigger system than today's drug courts. Most counties don't have a drug court. Half of the four dozen drug courts do not serve adult offenders, who go to jail if treatment is not available. Only one in four drug-possession offenders has a chance to enter such a program. We can do better. What's worse is the sacrifice we are making by offering treatment on a limited, case-by-case basis. We are losing a generation of young people, especially blacks, as a drug arrest and the resulting felony record explode into a life of addiction, criminality and unemployment. Just 11 percent of Ohio's population is black and only 13 percent of drug users are black, but 77 percent of the people sent to prison for drug possession last year were black. This brings shame to us all. The Ohio Drug Treatment Initiative will change the system. No wonder those who like the status quo, from the governor to the DEA chief in Washington, oppose this intelligent reform. Note: The philosophies are almost identical, but the initiative promises a much bigger system. State Sen. Robert F. Hagan --Youngstown Source: Columbus Dispatch (OH) Related Articles & Web Site: Ohio Drug Treatment Initiative Gov. Taft Reluctantly Discovers Drug Law Reform Dirty Tricks in Ohio's Drug War Taft Opposition To Drug Proposal Challenged Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
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| Comment #30 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 27, 2002 at 19:07:21 PT |
| glad you liked your brief reading, I think an agent and a mic is all you need to brighten all of our lives! Anyone here with connects at Comedy Central? Peace! [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #29 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 27, 2002 at 15:22:18 PT |
| If you took a month off, we'd all understand! No news, is good news as they say, and a busy week is ahead, guaranteed!
The eclipse will make sure of that! The next three months will be incredible as anything that needs to be exposed, will be! The truth is on our side, God doesn't take sides though, as the 'energy of all that is' plays both sides of the Chess game for entertainment! We alone get to work out the strategy! And there are only winners, no losers, just appearances and illusions! Enjoy the aftermath of this Full Moon, as we can all breathe a sigh of relief! Peaceful! [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #28 posted by FoM on May 27, 2002 at 15:04:47 PT |
| You're right C News has been taking a sort of holiday. This war we fight is really hard. I believe burn out can occur. I also believe that mental rest can strengthen us for what is ahead. I know that with the important medical marijuana issues coming up the news is going to get crazy. We've come too far to turn back now. You are a very interesting person. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #27 posted by dddd on May 27, 2002 at 14:48:15 PT |
| ....thank you,,,that was awesome!...I had too much to dream last night!............. I was born in Seattle.. I have always identified with the Star of David for some reason,,I am not actually Jewish,,but my Jewish friends accept me as an honorary Jew.(?)...... I still have a silver Star of David pendant that I wore from my late teens,into the mid thirtys...I got hassled by people who disliked Jews,,and I got hassled by Jews,who disliked the fact that I was wearing a Star of David,,while not "Jewish",,....thanx again for the 'reading'.....I will have to chew on it for a while........JAH Shine on You....dddd [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #26 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 27, 2002 at 14:19:26 PT |
| It's like C-News is taking a holiday! Might as well, as it is a full moon and EVERYTHING comes to a halt! With Uribes election on an eclipse, this won't last long, in fact, it's a great thing he was installed at this time, all the better for the right wing to take a huge tumble. Set your watches, and watch the fallout! He will be exposed as a Narco terrorist agent of the U.S., it's just a matter of time. I thought Soundgarden wrote Rusty Cage. Pretty sure of it actually. Sandino has a copy of Fever Trees version, Awesome! I found a website yesterday, From The Electric Prunes to the Elephants Memory! The Prunes have a new album even after 30 years! The prunes 'I had to much to dream last night' were the first major band I ever saw, the night MLK was shot, and were so loud, I just stood in front of the band and held my ears, and loved every minute of pain, wish I had thought of the popcorn solution! Earlier that year, my oldest brother took me to NYC to babysit his step son and step daughter on his honeymoon, so we went next door to a rehersal hall, and met Elephants Memory,(Mongoose, not the one by Donovan that came out the same summer) who would become John Lennons backup band later on.
Those experiences had a lot to do with who I ended up being!
dddd: you're not the only one who lives in Outer Space, I'm your closest neighbor (and Billy Mumy too!) You have a very cool chart, Sun in Humanitarian, genius-like, big thinking Aquarius and the ultimate rebel! Your health crisis was caused by an opposition of Uranus to the position Uranus was in (no jokes please) at your birth and is referred to as 'mid-life crisis', and leads to a reevalution of your life and everything that has gone before. Congratulations, as we all love your intrepid essays on the ongoing political scams and injustices of the day! C-News wouldn't be the same without you! We will hook up on our next visit to L.A., sometime in the next year! Back to your chart, you have the moon in Capricorn, (so do I) and the moon represents your inner self, the real dddd/qqqq, and is why you generally hit the nail smack on the head with your analysis, and makes you a wise soul, due to all the difficulties you've faced in your life. YOu learn from experience and that means the 'hard way'. But it makes you 'right' about everything and anything. It's the price you pay! (great for teaching, counseling, a sense of timing (music) and the last one in line who gets the complimentary tickets for waiting so long! You have a lucky 'Grand Trine' in water signs and thats makes you a healer, and very psychic as well! But your luck doesn't manifest until the very last second, just in the nick of time, as can be kinda scary and nerve wracking waiting for it to show up. But it always does and you would know. Your recent health crisis is a good example. Most would not have survived! I'm not sure where you were born, so let me know. I used L.A. so I could find your rising, which has to be Gemini, the writer, the dual personality (dddd/qqqq) and very articulate, smart and quick, easily bored if not busy and a ton of fun! You can get into trouble pretty easy too, as mischief is always looking for you! Hey, you have Mars (energy) in Sagitarius like myself, which means we don't know when to quit. Too much is not enough! Very philosophical, opinionated and outspoken. Travel is good for you, but you need someone to take you along for the ride, as you may procrastinate, but that is ok since the last minute is YOUR time! Are you a fast driver? Mars in Sag! No wonder we see things the same way! You have Uranus in Cancer at the 29th degree which means two things: You are Hero material, as this degree is the degree of 'disaster' (against the stars) and without disasters, there can be no heros! Another last minute luck aspect as well! In the sign of Cancer it makes you very protective of others who need access to more 'information' than they may already have. In your progressed chart, the one for this year of life (you get a new chart every birthday as well as keeping the one your born with) and you have an awesome 'star of david' formation in your chart this year, which means you can get away with just about anything! super lucky, so take advantage of this and go for it! Especially your music and writing as these are talents that will bless you financially. You could be inclined to just sit back and enjoy the ease this brings, but if you plant seeds for success this year, great things will emerge in the future if you take action towards your goals! In other words, don't rest on your laurels! The world is your oyster this year! The roller coaster theme for the last six years tapers off after March 2003! You can have your old life back after that, if you want it, as you've been stuck at Magic Mountain for too long, without any breaks between rides! Your Creativity is bursting now, as you are a Progressed Aries (f0r 27 more years), and may be accident prone and impatient, so don't take things to heart, as this will be your tendancy. You'll feel younger, act younger, and attract younger people into your life now. Lot's of projects are the cure, and new, new, new is the theme! OUt with the old! Got any new songs? Let's hear em'. The last one was great, we want to hear more, don't we folks!
If you have a specific question, post it here, and I look up the answer, as everything can be found in the stars!
Thanks for posting the lyrics Dan B! Neil Yound has lost it, and expect him to come around soon as he realizes he's been had. John Lennon rules, Pauls never been anything but bad luck for me, as the day I finished installing his spiral staircase in his home in Tucson, I almost died in a car accident from exhaustion, and had my record collection stolen while watching his Live wings movie, earlier that year. Combined with Lennon, his negative effects were muted, but being born the same day as my Dad (Paul), he was too syrupy for my taste (Lennon had the moon in Capricorn as well! Anybody that wants to know their chart can go to Astro.com, and calculate it for free! Great site, and you can look up your Astrocartography, which helps determine the best place for you to reside, depending on what your personal goals and needs are, including the interpretation!
And a daily horoscope based on your chart! The planets will end prohibition, as surely as they allowed prohibition, all things have expiration dates, and prohibitions retirement age of 65 has arrived! Start celebrating now, as there is no time to waste! GCW: Cash probably did that one too (that song was by Spooky Tooth, with Gary Wright from Dreamweaver I believe!)
Get me on a music tangent and I you never know where I might end up! On the moon, usually!
Thanks for your birth info! There is much, much more!
Peace everybody! [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #25 posted by FoM on May 27, 2002 at 11:13:31 PT |
| I love Neil Young's music and was upset about his patriotic song. Maybe he will write and sing one down the road a little that will shed light on how he got caught up in the war fervor. I sure hope so because I won't listen to Paul McCartney now. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #24 posted by qqqq on May 27, 2002 at 11:09:51 PT |
| ...I used to think Neil was pretty cool too,,,,,,but I think he's an asshole now!...I have a strict zero tolerance policy when it comes to brown-nosing the shrub......and regretfully,Neil shocked me by being a complete ass,and cozying up to the shrub....I hate to say it,,but Paul McCartney is kindof a dickhead too for doing his "Freedom" extravaganza,,,smooching the shrub empires rump.......I dont know about Bono either,,,what's his trip? [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #23 posted by Sandino on May 27, 2002 at 10:49:20 PT:
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| Written by: Neil Young (the shrub boot-licker) Recorded by: Buffalo Springfield in 66' and The Fever Tree in 69' I have both of those tunes. S.A. Homes on the Arizona mountain range. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #22 posted by qqqq on May 27, 2002 at 07:26:34 PT |
| ,,,,,but I think it was George Jones who did "She's Actin' Single,an' I'm Drinkin' Doubles" [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #21 posted by The GCW on May 27, 2002 at 07:11:17 PT |
| You broke My Heart (hort), So I busted YOur Jaw? [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #20 posted by The GCW on May 27, 2002 at 06:54:58 PT |
One of the things on my mind lately is J.D. Blackfoot's The Song Of Crazy Horse. Anyone remember that one? The song is over 18 minutes long and so was primarily played on alternative progressive rock stations, and the hippies etc. "It won the album of the year in 74 in New Zealand. "It's said that Crazy Horse had the power to dream himself into the real world... and leave the illusion behind." Gotta listen to it again. You took his land and you ate his corn. And on his grave your land was born. You took his pride and you fed him dirt. You wished him winter without a shirt. And you call this red man, savage. And after you crushed him you helped him up to let him drink from an empty cup. ... HEY THERE mR. wagonmaster what do you have in side hidden underneath them buffaloe hide? Could it be, you got to me, with some food from the man back east, so my starving children could have a feast. Hey mother come look and see, what the bastards sone brought to me. It's Alcohol, tobbacco & guns. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #19 posted by qqqq on May 27, 2002 at 06:42:37 PT |
| ...."Have you heard Johnny Cash cover Nirvana ???"......seriously???... .....you jivin'..???.............."Smells like teen spirit" or something?..... ...I like your brief,bitter comment...I think it sums things up quite nicely....'he and they can all go to Hell!... [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #18 posted by Dankhank on May 27, 2002 at 06:18:16 PT:
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| Have you heard Johnny Cash cover Nirvana ??? Rusty Cage is where Johnny belongs for even trying ... Asa is the head of a terrorist organization called the DEA. He and they can all go to hell ... [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #17 posted by dddd on May 26, 2002 at 23:11:36 PT |
| ...Good grief!!!,,,,Neil Young,,,covered by the Carpenters!!,,,that's like Barry Manilow doing a Nirvana song,,, or John Denver covering a Megedeath tune!.... ....did I "cheat" by using the internet to find the answer?......yes,,if you call that cheating...........I consider myself to be kinda good at 60/70s music trivia,,and I am humbled by NM and DBs mind-tickling goodie...I dont think I would have been able to come up with the answer,if not for google...........I still want my free reading though NM........02/07/56.....11:56 AM.... Be careful with your reading NM,, keep in mind that I live in Outer Space, so I will know if your reading is up to par,and legitimate.......and please let me know if you ever come out this way. I would like to meet you...............you too DanB,,you are a good musical historian,,I remember about a year or so back,when you dazzled me by zeroing in on some obscure Black Sabbath lyrics/trivia.....dddd [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #16 posted by Dan B on May 26, 2002 at 22:27:41 PT:
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| The hint I gave below does not apply if you consider that another band that performed the song included the artist who wrote it originally. There were actually two bands that performed it. A final hint: one was a brother/sister duo. Dan B [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #15 posted by Dan B on May 26, 2002 at 22:25:14 PT:
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| The group that covered it is so completely different from the artist who originally wrote and performed it that you might not ever guess who they are, even if you did know the original artist. Dan B [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #14 posted by Dan B on May 26, 2002 at 22:23:10 PT:
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| Here are the rest of the lyrics: Who's that stompin' all over my face Where's that sillouhette I'm tryin' to trace Who's puttin' sponge in the bells I once rung and takin' my gypsy before she's begun Just singin' and dreamin' of what's in my mind Before I can take home what's rightfully mine Joinin' and a listenin' and talkin' in rhyme To stop at the feelin' to wait for the time Who's sayin' "Baby, they don't mean a thing" 'cause nowadays Clancy can't even sing And who's all hung up on that happiness thing Who's tryin' to tune all the bells that he rings Who's in the corner and down on the floor With pencil and paper just countin' the score Who's tryin' to act like he's just in between The night isn't black if you know that it's green Don't bother lookin', you're too blind to see Who's comin' on like he wanted to be Who's sayin' "Baby, they don't mean a thing" 'cause nowadays Clancy can't even sing And who's comin' home on old 95 who's got the feelin' you're here to keep him alive Though havin' and sharin' it ain't quite the same, Paint a gold nugget you can't lay a claim Who's seein' eyes through the crack in the floor There it is baby don't you worry no more who should be sleepin', but 's writin' this song Wishin' and hopin' he works so damn long Who's sayin', "Baby they don't mean a thing" 'cause nowadays Clancy can't even sing [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #13 posted by FoM on May 26, 2002 at 12:28:46 PT |
| Thank you, I love it! It's so fast. I keep thinking I can't leave the computer too long or it will disconnect but that doesn't happen anymore. They are running diagnostic to peak the system in and I don't need to do anything. I've surfed and see so much more already and I haven't even begun to look. This is wonderful. Have a nice weekend too. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #12 posted by Nuevo Mexican on May 26, 2002 at 12:20:03 PT |
| is the writer of 'Freakout on a moonage daydream'! But you knew I would know that, know here's one for you! 'Nowadays Clancy can't even sing' There is the original artist/writer, and then it was covered by the same band that did 'San Francisco Girls' (hint, hint). Either version is great, and if you get either artist right, i'll give you a free reading! I'd prefer to have you over to smoke a bowl, attend the Annual 'Solar Fest' with Big Head Todd and the Monsters, Los Lobos and hopefully Spearhead! Last year, the String Cheese Incident played, and Leftover Salmon the year before that!) After living in L.A. for 11 years, I needed a small community without concrete and metal wrapped around me all the time!
The Northridge quake threw me out,(it took two years) and I had a great life while there, I just needed to chill after the floods, fires, riots and 'the big one'! Got it all on videotape though, so I can relive it at any time I want!
If you need good news about the rogue bush fall from grace, read up at Mediawhoresonline.com and buzzflash.com as the media gets a clue about the corrupt goings on in Washington.
More good news:
After today, (Full moon, eclipse, mercury retrograde, Mars at the 29th degree-the degree of disaster, 4 planets in Gemini and to top it all off, the last oppostion of Pluto and Saturn (there were 3 oppositions, Aug 5th (911 followed that one) Nov 2 (the turning point) and the last one today (the end of the 911 era). Saturn (the establishment/patriarchy) in conflict with Pluto (the hidden truth, terrorism and the great healer, all in one).
This happens every 36 years (1931, 1965) so looking back on those years tells you what will happen in the wake of the HEAVY DUTY DADDY of all astrological prognosigators! Get ready for the FALL of American civilization (an oxymoron) and it will happen FAST, without warning, and is unstoppable. The stars deem it so! As above, so below!
(but remember, the wise man rules his stars!) Congrats on the new dish FOM! Hope it gives you more free time in your life! We all appreciate the hard work and dedication you put into C-NEws, one person makes all the difference!
Thanks from all C-News posters'! [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #11 posted by Lehder on May 26, 2002 at 03:53:16 PT |
| you can be sure that "treatment" will be as abusive as possible and ruinous to everyone subjected to it. the Straight program exemplifies the prohibitionist's ideal in treatment. if the government could get away with it, nothing would please it more than to exterminate all marijuana smokers and even all those who do not object to marijuana's right to grow. this "treatment" law will probably pass and it will only make life worse for those who benefit from marijuana. the law will allow the government to prolong and even intensify its persecutions - and it will be able to carry out the intensified persecutions at less expense, the whole ruse of "drug court." did you notice this: "drug offenders placed in treatment under the ballot measure will be subject to urine testing and other daily monitoring." Other Daily Monitoring? I'll leave it George Orwell and dddd to figure out what Other Daily Monitoring means. I don't want to think about it. This law is not reform, and I would bet that Hutchinson knows so and is opposing it only to sucker baby reformers into supporting it and not wanting to be such an odd ball as he is for opposing it. it's a lose-lose deal. there's nothing positive to vote for, there's no choice and no possibility of meaningful reform is offered. I remember perfectly well how it was impossible to have a useful discussion of Vietnam in the 60's. Americans can get mad, they can get red in the face, they can mindlessly repeat the same tired slogans for decades on end. if a debate on mj were televised today it would be the most tiresome and jejune debate ever held: asa would say, "marijuana is a dangerous and addictive drug that destroys lives." johnson would retort that "enforcement costs too much. by the way, drugs are bad, don't smoke marijuana." and asa would counter, "treatment backed up by accountability [Jail] costs only 25% the price of imprisoning first time offenders, and our pilot programs have been 78% effective in halting the spread of addiction." and the american people would say "gee, that sounds reasonable. i'm for reform. i'm for treatment of marijuana addicts." americans can mindlessly repeat sound bytes: "treatment," and a powerful and deciding majority is incapable of taking ten seconds to competently think about any issue or to even be aware of the facts staring them in the face. the only time i can think of when a few americans gave the authorities their comeuppance was at the trial of oj simpson. twelve jurors decided to 'just say no' to a crooked police department. their verdict had nothing to do with oj, only the police. for sure, oj belongs in prison. but money and the hiring of very brainy jury selection professionals able to draw psychiatric profiles from background investigations, questionaires, and the clues of body language and manner of dress, managed to identify and select those few jurors from a pool of hundreds. i'm sure that the same money and the same professionals could identify a dozen people, selected from a pool of hundreds, who might, after months of coddling and humoring and always being sure not to use any big words, be brought to vote for an end to the drug war persecutions. the war on drugs will end when america ends, when freedom ends, when the grocery stores are empty and abandoned, the electricity is off, bodies dead from disease are strewn over the streets - then the drug war will end. you'll be able buy a crust of stale bread and a few joints from a rich government official, your girl on his arm and his car in your driveway. America is all about bigotry, hatred, abandonment of thought, and, by god, tough-minded brutal answers to the slightly subtle problems that George Bush has been hired to solve. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #10 posted by dddd on May 25, 2002 at 23:50:33 PT |
| ..I hear ya....I read the story,,and I read it again in your link..I agree,, it's a Shocker!,, but I guess that most people are somewhat numbed to shocking stories nowdays...Just think,,where is the public outrage concerning the undisclosed energy meetings at the whitehouse involving Enron,,and where are the law enforcement people to lock up swindlers like Kenny boy Lay?.....Where is the investigation into the matters surrounding the pre 9/11 knowledge of an attack?,,..It seems as if no one cares,,but I think that alot of it,,is that it is just made to appear,as if no one cares.I think alot more people care than we know about,,,but because the media downplays,and suppresses dissenting viewpoints,we never hear about anyone like you and me who are really PISSED OFF...dddd [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #9 posted by BGreen on May 25, 2002 at 23:07:34 PT |
| who say 'There's NO WAY our President would have let 9/11 happen,' you are BLIND! The citizens have, and always will be, EXPENDABLE! [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #8 posted by FoM on May 25, 2002 at 23:02:46 PT |
| It didn't surprise me and I wish it had but I think I have become so cynical that nothing shocks me anymore. My husband is a Vietnam Vet and the things that went on with him and others during his tours ( he did two tours ) in Nam taught me a lot about how the government only thinks of a soldier as a killing machine. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #7 posted by BGreen on May 25, 2002 at 23:00:30 PT |
| Forget my numbers and read the story. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #6 posted by BGreen on May 25, 2002 at 22:57:01 PT |
| I posted a link to a story that blew me away, yet no one, including the mass media, is talking about it, even though the pentagon admitted it. In 1964 and 1965, my lifetime, our Navy, on 4 occasions, used nerve agents (including Sarin, the gas used in a Tokyo subway attack,) on our sailors confined on one of our ships! These are the people saying "TRUST US!" I say "SCREW YOU!" [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #5 posted by qqqq on May 25, 2002 at 22:09:09 PT |
| ...I just saw one on FOX,,,"I helped kill someones father"....."I helped kill a policeman"......man,,those ad make me PISSED!...... I wanna see an ad with dubya,,saying,,"I allowed Texas energy companies rip off Billions from California consumers."..........It's too bad revolutions are no longer allowed..yup,,revolutions are against the laws of the empire......and it's a good thing,because if revolutions were legal,,,it would be a good time for one!
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| Comment #4 posted by FoM on May 25, 2002 at 21:48:08 PT |
| I understand what you're saying. I am very worried about that very thing happening. As far as having good treatment programs for people who are having a tough time with hard drugs I think that is a good thing. What concerns me is if a person is forced into treatment they more then likely won't stay clean. I just think it is contrary to addiction if that makes sense. Giving up an addiction is a choice a person makes. How can anyone force a person to clean up? A person will only quit doing hard drugs when they have to quit and for their own reasons. How can forced treatment work and be an effective tool? [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #3 posted by dddd on May 25, 2002 at 21:15:59 PT |
| ..."In his column, Hutchinson said, "Treatment alone too often becomes a revolving door.'' He said "accountability" is needed in treatment. He argued that the criminal- justice system must monitor addicts closely and punish their transgressions...."... .....Again,,,....If you are strung on crack,meth,or heroin,,,,treatment may be better than prison,,,but with Marijuana ,the treatment game could easily become a nightmare,in that it has the potential to delay Marijuana law reform....why,,you ask?....my theory is;,,that once "treatment",becomes more recognized,and the empire drugpigs have been forced to accept it,,,,two things will happen....first,they will only allow "treatment",on their harsh terms,and through their own conditional funding,and national "standards",for treatment programs.,. The federal drugpig/empire will showcase their new "compassionate treatment programs for drug offenders".They will lead the public to believe that they have eased up on harsh drug laws,with their kinder,and gentler compassionate treatment laws...and just like Asa said in the above article,,these "treatment" programs,will be administered with THREATS of incarceration,as opposed to actual therapeutic rehab..In other words,,instead of making sure that these "treatment" programs are healing the emotional,and mental problems of addicts,,they will intead focus on making sure that the "drug offender" goes to jail if he tests positive... ..... ..secondly ,,and even more fucked,,will be the fact that;once "treatment",is a common thing,,Marijuana will be purposely lumped in with crack,and heroin,,and this will tend to further the confusion amongst the Sheeple, that somehow,Marijuana is a substance that a person needs to be "treated" for!..it will be like training dogs,,with shock collars,or telling a dog that you will lock him in the cage,if he doesnt behave the way you want him to... Murderers and rapists belong behind bars....People like Kenny boy Lay,and Dick Cheney belong behind bars for stealing,and cheating Americans...People who smoke pot do not belong behind bars,or in "treatment" programs....... ....I think this is an extremely significant factor in all this!...If "treatment",programs for "drug offenders",,are brought into law before Marijuana laws are reformed,,then Marijuana will be somehow legitimized as a "drug problem"........after all,,,if Marijuana was not an addictive, problem,,"drug",of "abuse",,then why would we need to have "treatment"?........just watch,,they will play this game as long as they can..They will use any and all ploys they can to confuse,and delay the Marijuana issue.....We are dealing with a HUGE,,organized group,that is funded with Billions of our tax dollars...The empire has blended the drug war into the terror war,and if you think things look promising,,then I dont want to pop your bubble,and I dont mean to diminish anybodys hope,,,,,,but I think we are dealing with something that is much worse than we think.!!..We are talking EMPIRE here!,,,we are talking about trying to reform drug laws,,that are part of a government that passed the usa/patriot act in less than a week!....We are dealing with a government that refuses to release information to the public about even the most basic matters!...............THINK ABOUT IT!...The empire has been issuing these "terror alerts" ,and the national media has been conveying them..These "alerts",are so obviously bogus, unsubstantiated, and contrived,,,that I'm starting to wonder if the American people are actually so stupid,that they dont see through this bullshit!...We have heard these "warnings",and "alerts",,and they are always reported as "uncorraberated",,and "non-specific",,about possible attacks on trains,planes apartments,shopping malls,national landmarks,,,etc!...These alerts are reportedly from "al-quieda suspects who are in custody",,or some sort of "activity" in communications.....THIS IS FUCKING ABSURD!!!....this is ridiculous....it's really an insult to all Americans..What IDIOT would take these "alerts" seriously? .. These terror warnings are the equivelent of a warning on a coffee from McDonalds that says;"caution,coffee is hot,",,,,or,,my favorite,,the warning on fireworks that says;"light fuse,get away"..,,or the warning on a power saw;"do not allow blade to contact fingers",,,,and of course,,the very top of the ladder says "Not A Step"............ Heart attack alert;.dont eat too much deep fat fried bacon,or butter cream smoothies........Beware,,you may get in a traffic accident sometime soon..........Warning Alert,,If you get really old,you will probably die!............ ".Freak Out in a Moonage Daydream Oh yea!......Dont fake it baby,,Lay the real thing on me..."...... Who recognizes those song lyrics?..The first one to correctly guess the artist,and song,will recieve a vacation for two in Southern California with me and my dog,lil'Bill,,as your hosts!....plane fare is not included,,but lodging and meals are!...I will provide a comfy pair of cots here in my small studio shack,which is less than a mile from the beaches of Surf City,and the Pacific ocean...Ethnic cuisine will be provided,along with transportation....AND,, on top of all this,,I will include free treatments!.......... ..enuff 4 now,,,,, I gotta go,,,it's time for my treatment.....dddd [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #2 posted by p4me on May 25, 2002 at 19:11:51 PT |
| Meanwhile, a
tone-deaf Gov. Bob Taft is leading the charge to "just say no,'' Is this Bob Taft a man of conviction to give up any chance he has at reelection? Probably not. ICBS,VAAI,POW [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #1 posted by Whirrlin on May 25, 2002 at 18:35:09 PT |
| At last, a common sense, step in the right direction. [ Post Comment ] |
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