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  B.C. Pot Growers Blast $6 Million Waste
Posted by CN Staff on May 11, 2002 at 10:16:52 PT
By Peter O'Neil, Vancouver Sun  
Source: Vancouver Sun  

medical B.C.'s cannabis community endorsed Friday Senator Pat Carney's complaint in Parliament that the federal government wasted $6 million and offended British Columbians by not relying on generations of pot-growing experience on the West Coast.

They said Health Canada deliberately ignored advice and contract bids from B.C. experts when it selected a Saskatoon fruit tree-growing operation two years ago to be Canada's first state-sanctioned supplier of pot to be used for medicinal reasons.

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Comment #54 posted by dddd on May 12, 2002 at 02:47:21 PT
population saturation...relocation..situation..
....Right on Patrick...I also have a niche here in the belly of the beast...I will relocate to less populous realms someday soon,but for now,my little studio shack here in Surf City is where I'll be... I used to be repulsed by this sprawling mega-city,,but now I look at it a bit differently,and try to focus on the positive aspects of living in this cultural holding tank.....It is,,a rather special,and unique place...I look forward to a nice brisk earthquake, and the ensuing mayhem......I guess that's kindof a sick thing for me to admit to,,but alot of people down here seem to live in their own little insulated worlds,,and a big quake would be unacceptable..the raw shock of reality will shake their world,as they try to find some drinking water,,and attempt to four-wheel over huge cracks in the roads,,,scuffing and denting their shining SUVs......dddd

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Comment #53 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 02:28:22 PT
Dreams aside…
Guerilla growing techniques (isn't that a book title?) or secretly growing cannabis for your own use is a risky operation in this current government knows best environment. Outside growing is the natural and best way to grow but uncle sam has plenty of money to fly around in circles watching my herb garden so the growing goes underground and uses more energy than access to the abundant natural light of the sun and water.

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Comment #52 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 02:09:58 PT
triangulation
yep dddd. u n me are virtually neighbors living in a tiny corner of the world where the sun shines and the ocean breezes blow most of the time. The water supply here makes me nervous the most. The electric supply well we both know how that goes. Underground gas lines make me nervous with the always possible earthquake vibes but hey who said life was risk free. If I could escape work and the little niche I have made for myself here I would consider moving to the mountains near Reno when Nevada makes it completely legal to grow, harvest and smoke. Maybe start a farm for recreationally handicapped hooka puffers to retire and grow organic vegtables and hunt wild boar.

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Comment #51 posted by dddd on May 12, 2002 at 02:02:04 PT
..you're right Patrick
..I should have said;..South of Oxnard,and north of Mexico........west of Cabazon

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Comment #50 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 02:00:37 PT
When america wakes up
And discovers their government's wasteful and harmful war on marijuana and some drugs in general, they will be appalled at the devastation that continues to be inflicted upon the free by prohibition.

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Comment #49 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 01:49:24 PT
copter woes
South of San Onofre actually. The range on those drones make all of Socal a net of ariel observation. Anyway, i have to stay off the donuts, they tend to round out my personality.

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Comment #48 posted by dddd on May 12, 2002 at 01:33:22 PT
south of Anahiem....
...?.. South of Norwalk,,north of San Onofre,,,west of Corona......Most of Orange county is not a good or easy place to have a bud farm......a copter is circling over my neighborhood as I write this...dddd

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Comment #47 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 01:20:16 PT
Growing indoors…
creates odor problems sure I fixed mine with ionization. That is more electricity and in California that means I paid Enron for the juice to grow. How Ironic I ripped myself off! Thing is I shouldn't have to flip off the chopper pilot for growing outside. Areas south of Anaheim are not safe from prying eyes in the sky. Love the drone shots from Afghanistan guys!

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Comment #46 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 01:11:58 PT
dddd
hey dude, you haven't said anything to alarm or upset me! U provide a nearly daily dose of the best humor on the planet!

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Comment #45 posted by qqqq on May 12, 2002 at 01:11:08 PT
...oh SWAMPIE!
..I have had some of that pine weed before!...I liked it......You make it sound so safe and simple to grow in the spare closet,,but!,,you also mentioned the main problem when you told about having to vent it out your chimney...I live in the big city,and there is no way to mask the robust and deluxe odor,that fine buds exude...the aroma wafts for blocks,,I can just imagine my neighbor saying,"hey,,it smells like someones growing some prime buds!".....and I would have to play stupid,,"I dont smell anything??.."

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Comment #44 posted by SWAMPIE on May 12, 2002 at 00:57:52 PT
Herbal Plant Strains.....
High,all!If you want pictures and info on specific strains,just go to cannabisculture.net/[com?]and click on Marc emery seeds He has all of the major seed companies listed there and then you can click on their links as well.Ed Rosenthals'books about growing have some super info about the history of how many of these different strains have evolved.I once grew some seeds that I had saved from many different varieties that I'd been saving as I got them,and a few were sooo skunky that I had to ventilate my house through the chimney.It got pretty scary as they came to bud!Some tasted/smelled like pine,some tasted/smelled like skunk,one tasted/smelled like catshit but it was the bomb!You'd look and feel like Homer Simpson after smoking that!!!DOH!!! Gotta get some of Marcs'seeds before he runs out.I'm saving up for it now.Anyone who lives in their own home and has a spare closet can grow their own and all it takes is Ed's book and a small investment,and don't tell ANYONE!!!! LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!!!It is also a fun hobby and you don't just have to limit your garden to pot.Hydroponic kits are widely available and if you're handy you can build your own as I did.Worked fine!Sativas give you a clear,up,awake high,Indicas give you a relaxed couch lovin'high.The ratio of the crosses between them is what designates their effects.I have read Eds' book many times,and you won't get tired of it. It's worth the money.Peace,Swampie

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Comment #43 posted by dddd on May 12, 2002 at 00:57:12 PT
...Patrick...
.."I don't have any proof but I take it for granted that they are monitoring."..

..So do I...in fact,I have often toyed with the possibly foolish,and daring idea,of purposely posting some chum for the snooping feds.... bait the hook with something like,,

"OK,I'll ship the kiddy porn,along with the LSD and crack.It will be in the same package with the pipe bombs and anthrax,and I'll send it by UPS,directly to the meth lab at 666 Shrubington Road,Enronville,Texas,43210."

...I am spooked to even post this as a joke!.......but let's say I did decide to send a fake message,with a bunch of key words,,and it turned out,that a BIG Fish took the bait,and sent investigators to tear apart my house,and confiscate my computer?...It would then be proof that the feds were filtering and snooping the web with hi-tech devices. But do you suppose anyone would look into such a proven intrusion on my privacy?..NO....they would shut me up quicker than you can say Chandra Levy!
....in fact,,I'm so convinced that everything is monitored,,I want to tell the snoops right now,that I am a harmless joker,,and I'm sorry if I said anything that alarmed you,or made you mad.,,and I love how honest George Bush is,and I hope he wipes all terrorists from the face of the earth....also,,if you decide to come visit me,,please email me first,and I'll make a fresh pot of coffee,and maybe you could stop and pick up some donuts on the way over... .......qqqq......uh,,..no,,,I mean dddd


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Comment #42 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 00:32:41 PT
SNL
Tonight's episode, broadcast on FCC controled/approved wavelengths, screams out the universal understanding and tolerance of marijuana use that will eventually be the rule globally. Way to go cast! It won't be long and I bet you will mention this website among others on your show!

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Comment #41 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 00:10:31 PT
so bong
changing the words to make them sound like drugs lol

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Comment #40 posted by Patrick on May 12, 2002 at 00:08:26 PT
Speaking of Saturday Night
Holy wow batman the network showed a skit that screamed SMoke more WEed yeah

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Comment #39 posted by dddd on May 11, 2002 at 23:59:11 PT
..no need to argue...
..perhaps some guy from India brought seeds to Seattle in 1958,and a bunch of things happenned,,and it turns out that everyone is correct....The exactness,,and verifiability of Marijuana history is obscure,and complex due to its villification,and prohibition................allow me to change the subject with a Saturday nite tall tale!

...Speaking of drug testing,and driving,,,here's a partially true tall tale you might like. I'm sure you've seen ads for these companies that help inventors get their ideas marketed.,,well,,my third cousin Norbert,(who happens to live in Wisconsin),submitted his idea to these guys,,,for some kind of an 'Impairmentometer'.. this unit would give a readout of a level of fucked-up-ness....He tested it at the county fair.The original unit had five levels..
level1).Unimpaired Turkey!..This loser doesnt need to get impaired to have fun!

level 2). Cautiously impaired....pretends to be more impaired to gain acceptance with level 3 people.

level3)..Noticably impaired,but still acceptably coherent...may move to level 4 or 5 without notice

level 4)..Somewhat out of control...a friend who has hit level 4,,will not be an easy person to remain friends with...If you should happen to be accompanying a level 4 person,,here are some things you may want to watch for ..A).slobbering friendliness with slurred apologies for all kind of incoherent past events.
.B).more drinks and/or drugs,,,pretending to be immune to massive quantities of booze,and trying to act like they are normal..Talking really loud..smiling at "girls",who are actually 60 years old,and imagining going home with them,even though blurred eyes can barely focus enuff to read their tattoos,, .
..C)..convinced they are OK to drive....if you refuse to give them their keys,,they may want to fight you for them.

level 5)..barfing liquor,,,,,like a strange nightmare,with spinning visions of tile and linoleum,and unpleasant convulsive regurgitations into some kindof large white donut!,,with each dry heave you swear that you will never touch liquor again..A level five will be lucky to not wake up in a pool of barf,or a shrubbery

..needless to say,,Norberts' invention was flawed,,and he never got any response from the Invention Marketing company he sent it to,after seeing their TV ad while watching a Hawaii Five-O rerun on channel 56 KDOC ,Anahiem..
..Actually,an "impairment test" for drugs is a rather tragicly silly concept....a cop can already have you counting backwards while asking you to follow his finger with your eyes ,,, or have you hunt for your nose with your index finger,while reciting the alphabet with your eyes closed....... and then,, the next thing ya know,, the cop will tell you to walk along some line or crack in the sidewalk,,forcing you to break your mothers back by stepping on the crack!..("Step on a crack,break your mothers back!",,,for those who dont know,,this was an old childrens saying like "liar liar pants on fire",and if you were walking down the sidewalk,,if you stepped on a crack,,somehow ,your mothers back would be broken!?...A strange,and peculiar saying,,,much like the baby who falls from the treetop in the lullaby known as;'Rockaby Baby'! ...I always wondered how the fuck the cradle got into the treetop with someones baby in it? ,, ..I guess it's lucky that the "lullabyee",who is supposed to be being lulled into slumber, ,is too young to understand what it all means,,,with this gust of wind,dislodging the cradle,and baby from the treetop,,and down comes baby,,cradle and all,,splatting baby all over the sidewalk below.......I dont know how I ended up writing all this,but I'm gonna post it anyway in the hope that ,,whatever it lacks in relevance,or content,,it will make up for in amusement...dddd


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Comment #38 posted by Patrick on May 11, 2002 at 23:55:40 PT
Growing in a secure area
You would think that planet earth would be considered safe for growing plants! But no. We few (1/3 of the population) think growing cannabis is just fine. It's the other third that wants to lock me up for growing that makes it unsecured to grow your own. If we could get the third in the middle to see the harm caused by the ones doing the prohibitionistic skull bashing they will swing their support for tolerance and the weed will be free to grow.

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Comment #37 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 23:53:34 PT
One final note
People from Northern California were asking Washington people where they got their weed. Washingtonians had skunk. I'm done, now.

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Comment #36 posted by qqqq on May 11, 2002 at 23:44:58 PT
...Thank You Duzt...
...I appreciate your excellent expert response,and explanations of the purple.....In the past,I have dabbled in growing my own,,,but I had a bad experience,,besides,my location makes it near impossible....

....Back in the early eighties,I grew a garden in a makeshift backyard hothouse,,,I nursed the plants into a stunning crop of robust buds! ... various strains of aromatic delites,,I lusted over them as if they were some kind of teenage cheerleader Stepford wives.,,,and,,of course,,when I was on the verge of harvesting this crop of prime glistening buds,,my roomates asshole brother in law ripped us off!,(I know it was him. My girlfriend saw him)..anyway,,I told Greg,(my roomate,and good friend),,to give his brother in law a call,and invite him over so we could confront him....the sonuvabitch came over,and I confronted him with the FACTS,,he denied it,,and then,my girlfriend speaks up,and tells him she actually saw him,,and he went into a psycho-violent freak out,,he tried to smack my girlfriend,and I stepped in to defend her,,I'm not much of a fighter,and he was getting ready to bash my face in,,then my roomate,Greg,kicked him in the face so hard,that blood splayed and splatted the walls like a squished tomato!..then Greg started fighting with the guy,and a brutal altercation ensued. It ended with the guy running out the door..Blood was splattered all over the walls and carpet,,I had to restrain Greg from going after him.....After this traumatic episode,,I decided to not grow anymore weed unless I can do it in an absolutely secure way........

..May JAH Shine on You.


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Comment #35 posted by Duzt on May 11, 2002 at 23:37:57 PT
Sativas
I'm not going to sit here and debate because you are basing your facts on opinions. Cannabis Sativa, var. Indica originated in India and isn't what most people consider to be an Indica. What most people think of as "indica" with large fat dark green leaves and heavy resin production is actually Cannabis Sativa, Var. Afghanica. Cannabis from India, true Indica, made it's way to South and Central America. These strains are sometimes called Sativas (Acapulco Gold, Colombia Gold, Brazilian skunks, etc.) but are truly Indicas because of there Indian origins. There is also Cannabis Sativa, var. spontanea (ruderalis) which is higher in cbd's and isn't desired. It's originated in Russia. Cannabis Sativa, Var. Sativa is hemp, the hemp that is used to make clothing, food, etc. And dddd, there are actually quite a few places in California and Oregon as well as British Columbia that have places like your "weedery". In the states you have to know the right people and in BC they have Cannabis Bed and Breakfast's (Sativa Sisters in vancouver is great)

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Comment #34 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 23:33:01 PT
Skunk
I'm calling it a day but I wanted to ask why does it matter where skunk originated? I'm not speaking lightly about it but who can be sure and why does it matter really.

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Comment #33 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 23:22:41 PT
Cannabis sativa variety indica period
Any strain in the western hemisphere is only Cannabis sativa. It does not matter what biome it is from (anywhere on either continent). The Asian variety is Cannabis sativa variety indica, all Asian strains are of that origin. None other.

Skunk may have been introduced into California, but it's origin is Seattle.

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Comment #32 posted by Richard Lake on May 11, 2002 at 23:11:45 PT:

C-News loads fast for me.
Don't ever have any problem except when the whole net seems slow.

Since I got my cable modem my normal speeds are around 1300mbps. If it feels slow I run a few speed tests. They usually show that it is slow, so most likely a problem with my ISP.

Richard

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Comment #31 posted by Patrick on May 11, 2002 at 23:09:49 PT
The Canadian Government's position…
on using cannabis…

"It has to be from a lawful source."

Even in Canada there exists a thick-headedness about nature and a plant.

A plant is a plant is a plant legal or not. Getting elected lowers IQ we now have proof!!!

On a side note dddd it isn't paranoia.

And,,,Three,,would be the justifiable possibility,of some dark power within the empire,monitoring certain web activities,and visits to various sites.....

I don't have any proof but I take it for granted that they are monitoring. Remember the spy plane that crash landed in China? Look up Global hawk and other defense department monitoring systems. Authorities caught the so-called happy face bomber by tracing his cell phone use and triangulating his position. Osama bin laden quit using his satellite phone after he discovered uncle sam was listening to him. Anyway, most of the Internet slowdowns are legit computer issues (you know, the routing of millions of transmissions into government supercomputers and searching for keywords.) Slowdowns couldn't be the result of the government spying on us as we post our messages of hope and truth. But to think our wonderful Internet is free from federal monitoring when the government industrial military complex created it in the first place is to be as naïve as Osama using a satellite phone.

I like your weedery idea! We could even offer "Kansas Ditch" lol weed er I mean pay people to take it off our hands to make room in our showroom for fresh imported varieties Australia. Good morning Ma'am, may I interest in you in some fine ass buds today?

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Comment #30 posted by Duzt on May 11, 2002 at 22:56:29 PT
Skunk
Read the Cannabible by Jason King, read any strain guide, or ask any breeder that isn't from Seattle, Skunk #1 originated in the early 70's in California, I'm not one you want to debate cannabis strains with, I work with them legally here and have devoted my life to researching them. Do some research on strains and you'll come to a better understanding of their origins. And there are a lot of great strains that come from Washington as well, not to mention British Colombia which has some of the best breeders in the world, but skunk has very definite origins.

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Comment #29 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 22:45:42 PT
Don't Californicate Skunk
The information is solid and the origin is Seattle.

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Comment #28 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 22:30:19 PT
brushing up on some botany and taxonomy
plant kingdom (phyla)

Division- Angiosperm (true flowering plants)

Class- dicotyledons (two primary leaves when the seed sprouts and becomes a plant) Science can only systematically study life and what is in it, it cannot create a thing.

Order- Urticales (Elm trees, too)

family- cannabinaceae

genus- cannabis

species- sativa

variety- indica

Since I have CRS disease (can't remember shit), my single brain cell creaks and groans endlessly. Please correct me if any information is erroneous.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hydroponics in the true sense would be a water medium with a nutrient slosh but soils are used too. Controlled atmosphere would be a system that can grow a plant without use of natural light; yes, electricity is used. You can control how the plant grows by controlling the limiting factors. Those would be: Light, temperature, nutrients and air. Time would be a factor, too. It has been too many years since I have thought about all of this stuff. And, no DEA, I am not a grower or a distributor. I work my friggin' arse off to eek out an honest living. Sometimes good and sometimes horseshit.

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Comment #27 posted by Duzt on May 11, 2002 at 22:15:15 PT
Cannabis history
People have been selectively breeding cannabis strains for literally thousands of years. The best book I can suggest to really understand the plant is "Hemp Diseases and Pests, Management and Biological Control". It's written by J.M. McPartland, R.C. Clark and D.P. Watson and was partly sponsored by G.W. pharmaceuticals. Ed Rosenthal's guide is amazing as well. The strain I am speaking of is Skunk #1 and it's a specific strain. A lot of people call their bud "skunk" but it has to do with smell, not genetics. The purple skunk is a strain as well and was an amazing strain. It was basically a skunk #1 back-crossed with an afghani to give it a heavier high, shorter more bushy plant structure, red/purple calyxes (which can be from cold weather or can be genetics), and faster flower time. It also gave it a much heavier high that was somewhat clear as well. There are purple skunks still to be found today but they aren't like the old school Cali purple skunks (unless you find the genetics in California). The original skunk #1 is 75% Sativa and it originated in Northern California

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Comment #26 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 21:46:48 PT
CorvallisEric
Thank you it's still dragging badly for me but so is the Net on other sites. High Times took forever to load. I turned off my pictures and it still took 5 or more minutes. Soon the satellite will be hooked up! I can't wait! If C News keeps dragging would you let me know? That helps and then I can contact Matt if it doesn't work better.

http://www.hns.com/default.asp?CurrentPath=direcway/intro.htm

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Comment #25 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 21:36:03 PT
Oh dddd!
The Weedery comment was once again too much! LOL!

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Comment #24 posted by CorvallisEric on May 11, 2002 at 21:33:07 PT
Off-topic response to FoM
I have fast TV-cable internet and usually CNews loads fast. This afternoon around the time of your question, it was extremely slow, worst ever in my experience. I just clicked on the stories to load in new tabs (Mozilla browser - highly recommended) and fixed lunch.

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Comment #23 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 21:31:02 PT
Breeding
I really appreciate the detailed answers I'm reading but I still don't understand very well. When did people honestly start paying attention to the genetics of the plant because it is illegal? I would assume that people that grew it were just glad they got it grown and harvested without getting caught and wouldn't have paid much attention to breeding but I could be wrong. Is there a history book on the origins of cannabis?

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Comment #22 posted by qqqq on May 11, 2002 at 21:06:35 PT
..speakin' of skunk..
...I remember a time,,over a decade back,,,,when I made friends with this guy who lived 'up north',in Humboldt County. He was growing this delightfully wonderful strain,that we called Purple skunk.... The buds were obscenely wonderful, and they had a purple overtone...I believe they were from the Indica family,,with a probable Sativa in the woodpile.....I am not doubting,or questioning your expertise Duzt,, but I always assumed skunk was mostly Indica,, and that Acapolco Gold,and Colombian were mostly Sativa.... I admit that most of my knowledge concerning the subject is limited to word of mouth from people who seemed to know,and knew how to grow,,,,and personal assumptions,... I am not questioning the accuracy of your information concerning the origins of "skunkweed",,but I would imagine that it could be quite a contraversial subject,due to the lack of a national standard for "skunkweed"....It's a shame that we dont have a federal MDA,,Marijuana and Drug Administration. Then we could have federal standards for Skunk,,Thai...Colombian,,Humboldt,,Kansas Ditch,,B.C. Bud,,etc..

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Comment #21 posted by Duzt on May 11, 2002 at 20:17:48 PT
Skunk
forgot to mention that the original skunk is a 50% Colombian Gold, 25% Acapulco Gold, 25% Afghani cross that was developed around 25 years ago. The new version (anything about 15 years or newer) has 25% Colombian Gold and 25% Thai and is much less "skunky". The American/Canadian version is much skunkier and pungent than the sweet smelling weaker Amsterdam version which is their staple cross for everything.

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Comment #20 posted by Duzt on May 11, 2002 at 20:12:24 PT
All those strains
Nobody seems to be mentioning the positive aspects of this. I have grown and studied cannabis for over 12 years and am very much into the scientific end of things. My dream would be to have hundreds of strains (which in reality is just a few dozen indiginious strains that hve been crossed and back crossed for generations) and to allow people in control groups with different diseases try 20 or 30 strains and see which one works the best then break down those cannabinoids (there are around 64 thus the percentages of each cannabinoid in each strain limitless). It seems most reasonable to me that many of those little studied cannabinoids are doing quite a bit too and the synergistic effects of all those cannabinoids working together needs to be considered as well. They could learn exactly what mix of cannabinoids works best with each disease or condition and actually learn something. Maybe they would learn too much and that's the problem.

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Comment #19 posted by hempity on May 11, 2002 at 19:48:20 PT
The government stole our seeds
}"We get told in the [media] that all you need to grow pot is a closet and a }light and an 18-year-old and you can make a million dollars," Lucas said.

}"They can't oppress us and persecute us if they're officially and overtly }using our information and our genetics," said Black

The government stole my seeds for the flim flam grow, even if they don't know how to grow the genetics are sound.

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 18:08:05 PT
dddd and goneposthole
First dddd,

I'm sure you're right. You can only do so much about security and then I just don't know. My rule of thumb is don't say anything on one of those messengers that people use or an email that wouldn't be acceptable for others to read. That's how much I don't believe in security. I've been asked some amazing questions by email. I don't know the answers but even if I did I sure wouldn't say. Trust your own words and remember you don't know who an enemy could be but don't be paranoid either. There's a balance we must use or our mind's imagination can get carried away. Sometimes I think of these words. Whatever will be will be.

goneposthole from India. I didn't know that. Weren't plants from countries like India only sativas? I don't know? Where are indicas from?

When you say hydrophonics does that mean electricity or grown in water?

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Comment #17 posted by dddd on May 11, 2002 at 17:54:56 PT
......skunk........
..I'll take your word for it Goneposthole...It makes me even more proud that I was spawned in the great Northwest.

..I guess you're right FoM.........if it smells like skunk,,,,,,,,it's skunk!..........I cant imagine a bunch of old weed experts arguing about whether or not a certain weed was "true skunk"... Let's hope that someday soon,,weed will be like wine,,and there will be plantations,,like winerys,,, 'Weederys'?... Like in northern California "wine country",,,there will be "weed country",,with tours of the weederys,,and Weed tasting rooms,,where you could go and sample all the fine varieties that were offered,,and buy a pound or two...and there would also be vintage weeds,,and weed conneseurs,who would rate various weeds,, and like an epicurian wine expert,,they could tell the vintage and strain of a fine weed.... Rich people would convert their wine cellars,into weed cellars!. Fine restauraunts would offer fine weeds instead of a drink before a meal.. the menu would list "before dinner appetizer weeds",, and "after dinner weeds"....dddd


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Comment #16 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 17:48:47 PT
Cannabis sativa variety indica
grown hydroponically in a controlled atmosphere. A female plant cut and cloned to develop into high grade marijuana that smells just like skunks are in the house. Not as repulsive as true skunk odor, but a very enticing aroma.

Definitely, without an equivocating doubt, first developed and grown in Seattle.

The very best medicine on the planet. Many thousands of years old, the indica variety is indigenous to India. When harvested in India, the resins that acccumulated on your hands, clothes, and cloth bags while gathering the buds were used to make hash.

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Comment #15 posted by dddd on May 11, 2002 at 17:40:43 PT
.....FoM....
..Concerning the loading time question for Cnews,, I have a 56k dialup connection,and a slow computer..Usually, the homepage site,with the articles takes a bit long to load...I just tried it,,and it took almost 40 seconds.. Also,,I've noticed that certain times,,other things take longer to load... I have several theoties on the subject.. One,,would be web congestion during times of peak usage,,,Two,,would be a slow connection speed,and/or,an older slow computer.... And,,,Three,,would be the justifiable possibility,of some dark power within the empire,monitoring certain web activities,and visits to various sites...... It may sound like I'm paranoid, and in a way,,I am paranoid,and proud of it!!!(paranoid people have a much lower likelyhood of getting busted than careless,freewheelin' wreckless spaced people.),,, anyway, I have no doubt,that they have the ability to monitor internet activity,,and no one knows how much they use it.. I dont care what sort of cloaking software you think you have protecting your anonymity... If they want to know who you are,,they can find out,,no problem...If they decide they want to monitor a persons web activity,, they can,,,no problem.... How do I know this?,,I dont know from any factual source..it's just my hoo-doo hunch.. Consider how long it took them to trace down hackers.....dddd,,

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Comment #14 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 17:25:30 PT
Dumb Question
I'm serious too what actually is skunkweed? I thought it was plants that smelled like a skunk. Is it one type or the other? I don't really have any idea. Duh!

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Comment #13 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 17:22:36 PT
Maybe northern Cailifornia
had it, too. However, it must have come from the Seattle area. I will refrain from citing how it came to be, but suffice it to say that the strain was definitely developed in Seattle.

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Comment #12 posted by dddd on May 11, 2002 at 17:10:37 PT
..My Home Town...
..."The original skunkweed is from Seattle and fanned out from there."...

..Now that's a bold thing to say.....Perhaps it was said in jest,,but if you're serious Goneposthole,,, then I would like to know why you think that Seattle was the place?... I hope you are right..I was born and raised in Seattle, and I do remember getting some very special dyno skunk years ago.. I knew these people who grew this stuff, and they called it "snow weed"...They grew it under lights,and it was killer.. The buds appeared to be frosted,,because they were so heavy with crystalized resin......however,,I would be proud if your Seattle theory was correct,,but I cant imagine not giving credit to Californian growers...Skunkweed was very prevalent amongst northern CA growers. .. I have no doubt that you will find many arguments about your Seattle theory....And,, come to think of it,, how could we actually define what make weed officially "skunkweed"?....dddd


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Comment #11 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 16:37:07 PT
Off Topic - Question
I always have trouble getting around C News because of my slow connection but I received and email from a frequent visitor of C News and was told it is taking a long time for the page to load and seems like the page is dragging. I'm used to it acting that way so I thought it was just me but is anyone else having problems? Thanks!

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Comment #10 posted by FoM on May 11, 2002 at 16:16:39 PT
BC Bud
After watching the MTV program and seeing Vancouver and listening to Marc Emery and everything he talked about and others talked about it would be a great place to go on a vacation because you wouldn't have to fly like if you wanted to go to Amsterdam. Someday I will hopefully get to go to Vancouver. It looks like a very progressive thinking city.

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Comment #9 posted by Ethan Russo MD on May 11, 2002 at 16:10:12 PT:

The B.C. Scene
I was lucky enough to meet Hilary and Philippe two weeks apart recently, chat, and share a Thai meal.

Canada's future, and that of the movement, is secure so long as it is in the hands of such bright, enthusiastic, sincere and charismatic young people as these two. They will break the back of Canadian resistance to clinical cannabis, and then, only the biggest domino will remain.

When American consumers realize that the wonders of cannabis therapeutics are available in Europe and Canada, they will demand the same, and political change will follow.

People who feel strongly about this issue should ask the following question: Can I, in good conscience, vote for any politician who would continue to jail responsible cannabis users? Shouldn't we know the answer? Shouldn't every politician be forced to respond?

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Comment #8 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 15:19:02 PT
The Canadians want too much credit
The original skunkweed is from Seattle and fanned out from there.

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Comment #7 posted by goneposthole on May 11, 2002 at 15:12:09 PT
Looks like good cannabis to me
The 'stuff' is probably wipe-out weed and are lying about it.

Who knows?

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Comment #6 posted by overtoke on May 11, 2002 at 15:04:09 PT:

Flin Flon Pictures
This page claims to have pictures of the flin flon crop near harvest: http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/flinflonphotos.html

This picture specifically demonstrates obvious differences in the plants. http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/images/flinflon2a.jpg

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Comment #5 posted by Jharshaw on May 11, 2002 at 14:57:24 PT
Disinformation.
"Health Canada spokesman Andrew Swift said the government was aware its first crop wouldn't be useful for clinical research."

Of course, this wasn't their story when the pot was first sprouting in Flim Flam...er, I mean Flin Flon.

Then it was "It will be for Medical use and Research".

I only hope the courts can find during the upcoming Constitutional challenges that the cannabis laws are all a bunch of hogwash!



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Comment #4 posted by Rainbow on May 11, 2002 at 14:27:53 PT
cannabis boondoggle
I went out on a limb but did say that Flin Flon sounded too much like Flim Flam, which it has turned out to be. Someone is 6 mill richer and it is not the ones who need the medicine.

Rock and the other health folks should be held accountable.

Cheers

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Comment #3 posted by E_Johnson on May 11, 2002 at 13:41:17 PT
Real science vs. going through the motions
The mixed-bag crop, which would make it impossible to conduct clinical trials on pot's purported health benefits, was the result of Ottawa's inability to acquire a genetically-consistent seed supply from the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse.

It's still possible to conduct clinical trials, they just would have to think a bit before they did it.

But marijuana prohibition is all about the refusal to engage in complex thought and the demand that everything be as simplistic and stupid as humanly possible.

The great weakness in modern culture is the same as the great strength -- the attainment of uniformity and purity of devices and contraptions and social schemes never previously attainable in human society.

The great strength of life is that it is impure and nonunform and hence highly adaptable.

Clinical research on genetically uncontrolled marijuana would yield data more reflective of what real life medical users experience. It would be a different set of data from what they would get by studying a controlled purified uniform case, but it would still be valid research.

Perhaps even more so.

Marijuana is not a pill, it is a living evolving life form, and it makes no sense to test it in the same way that pills are tested.

Medicine has to move forward away from the modern industrial paradigm into an evolutionary living biological paradigm.

In that paradigm, purity can be more of a liability than an asset.

And I think with marijuana, always having the exact same strain every single time is going to be shown to be more of a liability than an asset.

If it were an asset to always have the same strain, then there wouldn't be so many strains in existence.

People here in this clinical trial struggle are going through the motions of science, they are making scientific decisions -- but they are not truly thinking like scientists.

And that's another sad aspect of marijuana prohibition -- the chilling effect it has had on free scientific inquiry. All marijuana research is tied to the struggle to prove something about marijuana.

When does anyone get to do marijuana research just purely to learn, rather than to prove something on one side or the other?



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Comment #2 posted by The GCW on May 11, 2002 at 12:47:12 PT
This indicates high THC is the cause of no
distribution.

Canada's med-pot, hot or not? by Reverend Damuzi (10 May, 2002) Official med-pot producer claims his buds are dank and pure, but patients have yet to get them.

http://www.hempbc.com/articles/2399.html

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Comment #1 posted by p4me on May 11, 2002 at 12:36:02 PT
WHSpliff from the DE messageboards
The tone on the other side of the pond is very much different than here in the land of pee. Thanks to the greatness of the internet you now have the option of reading two nice articles from the UK.

WHSpliff put up the following message at the DE messageboard with two links:

I think those two guys did a f*cking excellent job on this four page feature in the West's answer to London's Time Out.

What do you lot think?

TOKE IT TO THE LIMIT (part 1)

http://www.whspliff.net/Venue1.html

JOINT VENTURE (part 2)

http://www.whspliff.net/Venue2.html

VAAI. Twice if you can.

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