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  Carney Pushes B.C. Bud for Official Pot Crop
Posted by CN Staff on May 10, 2002 at 08:31:05 PT
By Peter O'Neil, Vancouver Sun  
Source: Vancouver Sun  

medical B.C. Senator Pat Carney is urging the the federal government to buy "B.C. bud" for its official marijuana supply. "Marijuana is considered British Columbia's biggest cash crop, and revenue sources are dim these days," the Progressive Conservative senator said Thursday.

The federal government revealed earlier this week that its first batch of pot was too impure to be used for medicinal purposes. It was grown from seeds seized by police during criminal investigations and contains 185 different varieties of marijuana.

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Comment #24 posted by idbsne1 on May 10, 2002 at 19:03:09 PT
Don't get me wrong...
I hope I wasn't misunderstood...lol...I believe MJ helps in any form for many people...

I meant that Steve was doing research as I believe Dr. Russo and Mr. Watson? of Hortifarm?? does/did...

Mainly, the certain strains, as Sam Adams mentioned, that help with certain ailments....mainly it is a breakdown of ratios of thc/cbd/cbn... plus alot more I'm sure....

The cool thing is that when this plant actually gets studied, there is just a whole lot of interesting aspects....lol....

This is just from speaking to Steve about the science....

Today is a good day in the news.... I shall have a good weekend...and I wish the same to everyone!!!!

idbsne1

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Comment #23 posted by freedom fighter on May 10, 2002 at 17:13:02 PT
Standardized?
How? Two different subspecies, with 3 thousands different strains..That is according to Todd McCormick.

It's a crime to deny a sick person because one researcher want to be able to montior 3% THC when a strain never ever will stay the same. Today, it is 3%, tomorrow it grows 4%.

This is a sick policy! In a field of green sea, it is mightly hard to keep track of each plant.

All this is just a sham to deny sick folks.

ff

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Comment #22 posted by Sam Adams on May 10, 2002 at 14:25:14 PT
Just for the record....
I know several medical users with MS, chronic pain, migraines, bad asthma, and depression....I've seen them use many different strains. Every patient was happy to be using each of the different stains - some noted better relief with certain strains, but ALL noted relief from any bag the had and were very glad to get any bag! This all a bunch of ridiculous doublespeak and blatant lying, thank god one politician could stand up and speak the truth.

Isn't funny that when a single politician out of hundreds stands up and speaks the simple, common truth, it's shocking!

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Comment #21 posted by idbsne1 on May 10, 2002 at 12:15:54 PT
well...somewhat....
Actually, there are schwag seeds....it's just called bad genetics...

You can also take good genetics and mess up growing them....the rule of thumb is, you can only maximize your growing to the genetic potential of the seed.

As for Health Canada... all I can say is... I don't think any of them know what the hell they are doing....

Steven Tuck's genetics were SPECIFICALLY designed for medical purposes.. he's been doing this research for YEARS...he even informed HC on the specifics, but either they didn't use them, or they didn't listen...either way.. they are ignorant of this plant...

But, I am SOOO glad to hear Canadian Congressmen/Congresswomen come out and openly say these things....it's really refreshing...

I think this next time around will be amazing, hopefully HC will take full advantage of what Steve has to offer... he's not just a grower...he's a scientist....a very dedicated and compassionate scientist...

idbsne1

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Comment #20 posted by FoM on May 10, 2002 at 12:07:43 PT
WolfgangWylde
I caught that too! LOL!

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Comment #19 posted by WolfgangWylde on May 10, 2002 at 12:05:10 PT
My favorite part...
...was watching the host, Serena Altschul, try to play dumb when it comes to pot use. Obviously, she didn't want folks to think that she's ever used the stuff, but every once in a while she'd blow it by talking about "smoking a bowl" and "getting toasted". She'd catch herself and go back to DARE approved lingo, but the cat was out of the bag.

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on May 10, 2002 at 11:56:15 PT
Synegized Blends
I don't know if I spelled that right but with herbal medicine by switching say scullcap for valerian root with another herb you will not build a tolerance if that makes sense.

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Comment #17 posted by FoM on May 10, 2002 at 11:53:15 PT
This is playing on the satellite tv music channel
Here is for all of you!

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Comment #16 posted by E_Johnson on May 10, 2002 at 11:51:37 PT
If this were true for penicillin
It was grown from seeds seized by police during criminal investigations and contains 185 different varieties of marijuana.

If doctors had 185 varieties of penicillin in one pill, the bacteria that threaten our lives would be very challanged to come up with resistance to all of them at once.



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Comment #15 posted by FoM on May 10, 2002 at 11:45:04 PT
E_Johnson
That makes good sense.

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Comment #14 posted by FoM on May 10, 2002 at 11:44:15 PT
WolfgangWylde
Thanks for the heads up. I thought the part with Marc Emery was great. I don't know him and yet he is so out there that is is a delight. I don't know why some people pick on him because he can honestly claim the name 'Prince of Pot' and has done so much. I'm looking foward to watching the programs on Pot TV when my satellite gets hooked up.

PS: I taped the program but will check it out again tonight.

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Comment #13 posted by E_Johnson on May 10, 2002 at 11:43:42 PT
What makes schwag -- the seed or the grower?
There are no schwag seeds, only schwag growers.

Is this not true?



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Comment #12 posted by E_Johnson on May 10, 2002 at 11:38:29 PT
Purity is not always good medicine
The federal government revealed earlier this week that its first batch of pot was too impure to be used for medicinal purposes.

I think one advantage of cannabis over manufactured pharmaceuticals is that cannabis is an evolving organism and not subject to the limitations of purity that arise from manufactured pharmaceuticals.

Think about antibiotics for example. Staph bacteria is getting resistant to specific antibiotics. Each antibiotic is a pure stable chemical product produced and refined and purified at great expense in a lab and a factory.

Impurity in this context would be stuff entering the chemical that simply does not belong.

But the bacteria become resistant to a manufactured drug, you have to invent a whole new drug to combat it.

If antibiotics could be evolved like plants, maybe they could evolve enough diversity so that bacteria could never get the upper hand over all the possible evolved varieties of the antibiotic.

The big advantage to a plant-based medicine over a manufactured medicine is that the plant itself is your factory, and the factory can be changed to alter the formula at very low expense, just the expense of a plant breeding operation, not the expense of retooling a whole chemical manufacturing process.

The impurity in cannabis that they are talking about here is not that non-cannabis is able to contaminate the cannabis -- it's just that they aren't sure which strain they are using.

That's not necessarily a disadvantage. Perhaps the variability of cannabis strains to which medical patients are exposed is one reason why we don't observe people buuilding up tolerance or resistance to their medication.

Tolerance and resistance are very serious problems that occur with manufactured pharmaceuticals.

It is traditional to think that something assembled in a pure sterile controlled environment is more stable and pure and inherently better than something that grew on its own according to its own internal genetic information in dirt.

But growing on its own in dirt -- that's how life evolved and so far life is far more clever and powerful than anything assembled or poured together in a lab or pharmaceutical factory.

Life is at once potent and impure. Think about that.

The impurity of a living organism comes from the wisdom encoded in its genome from millions of years of acquiring knowldge through evolution.

If we humans could only harness that wisdom in our pharmaceutical production process!



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Comment #11 posted by WolfgangWylde on May 10, 2002 at 11:36:19 PT
FYI: See Marc Emery on MTV tonight...
They are scheduled to re-run their news show on the marijuana trade tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time. There's a nice segment about Marc, POT-TV.com, and a visit to a B.C. grow room. Check your local listings.

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Comment #10 posted by TroutMask on May 10, 2002 at 11:03:04 PT
My mistake
No, Canada did NOT get the seeds from the US...my mistake.

So instead of 100% low-quality schwag, Canada grew partially-good MJ. Had they used US seed, they would have ended up with the garbage MJ the US exemptees are handed each month.

-TM

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Comment #9 posted by masscrusader on May 10, 2002 at 10:56:26 PT
Reverse pshycology
The Senate in Canada should taunt the Canadians. They should "get in their face" about how they are going to legalize marijauna no matter what the public says. This way they can see who would respond. Brand them "enemies" of the government, and get on with speeding up their economies.

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Comment #8 posted by Dankhank on May 10, 2002 at 10:49:40 PT:

Excuse Me?
Thought that Canada DIDN"T get seeds from the USA ...



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Comment #7 posted by Masscrusader on May 10, 2002 at 10:48:53 PT
Words missing
I have to remember about that insert key on my keyboard.

Hey Canada- Hi? How are doing? Boston MA here.. I have a question for ya- Why don't you grow a sack and learn how to unsign a treaty like us? You want Marijuana? We don't want the world court

You can't even control your lumber industry

Don't worry FOM, all this will fall of deaf ears.



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Comment #6 posted by Masscrusader on May 10, 2002 at 10:46:53 PT
Point
Hey Canada- Hi? How are doing? Boston MA here.. I have a question for ya- Why don't you grow a sack learn how to unsign a treaty like us?

You want Marijuana? We don't want the world court

You can't even control your lumber industry

Don't FOM, all this will fall of deaf ears.

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Comment #5 posted by TroutMask on May 10, 2002 at 10:38:04 PT
Why Canada got US seeds
The reason Canada used US seeds is because they came from a "legitimate, legal research source" as required by the international treaties. Under the treaties, legitimate research is allowed, but procuring research materials via "non-legitimate means" is not. There is no "legitimate" source for seeds in Canada, so they got them from the "legitimate" US researchers.

-TM

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Comment #4 posted by Naaps on May 10, 2002 at 10:31:23 PT
Senator Carney Knows
Senator Pat Carney from Saturna Island is a member of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs. She was in Vancouver November 7th at the hearing and the next day the delegation visited the Vancouver Compassion Club. There’s a picture of her talking with Hilary Black while holding a large bag of buds.

Senator Carney understands the healing power of cannabis. Being a Senator, not having to worry about re-election, and from the Conservative Party not the ruling Liberals, she is in a position to freely speak out citing the debacle of raising the hopes of suffering Canadians, only to maliciously dash them. While some may hope that Health Canada can grow a nice standardized crop, the continued delays underline the stance of Compassion Club operators such as Ted Smith, Hilary Black, and Phil Lucus that patients should be able to obtain whole plant medicine, a choice of varieties, clean and inspected, locally produced, and reasonably priced.

Citing the U.S. government refusal as the reason why standardized seeds couldn’t be obtained undermines Health Minister Ann McLellan’s creditability. Marc Emery would have given them to Health Canada for free. They received many seeds from Steve Tuck. Instead, the seeds used were those confiscated by police through raids.

I think Health Canada wanted the US Government Cannabis seeds so that if the Americans leaned on Canada about growing cannabis they could retort, “Hey you supplied them to us.”

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Comment #3 posted by Patrick on May 10, 2002 at 09:28:33 PT
A little help, please?
Just why does Canada need to obtain standardized seed from the U.S. government in the first place?



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Comment #2 posted by TroutMask on May 10, 2002 at 09:19:07 PT
Ideal Solution
WolfgangWylde, that would certainly be the ideal solution. IMHO, the two major issues working against Canadian decrim are: 1. The opinion of the US and 2. International treaties that require a Constitutional conflict for a country to legalize any illegal drugs.

If the Canadian Supreme Court declares marijuana prohibition unconstitutional, the decision to decrim (or not) doesn't have to be made by frightened little politicians, no international treaty is broken and the US can take a flying leap. The Canadian people would not tolerate an attempt to subsequently alter their Constitution so they can constitutionally bust marijuana users.

-TM

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Comment #1 posted by WolfgangWylde on May 10, 2002 at 08:56:01 PT
Sometimes I Wonder If The Canadian Government...
...isn't just playing this game to force the Supreme Court into unilaterally legalizing marijuana so they don't have to do it themselves. It would save them much grief from DEAland if they could just say "Don't blame us, the Court did it. Our hands are tied".

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