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Posted by FoM on April 26, 2002 at 18:14:52 PT By William McCall, Associated Press Writer Source: Associated Press John Walters, the Bush administration's drug czar, came to tout the government's war on drugs. But he found himself in a debate Friday over whether some drugs should be decriminalized. "After 30 years of the war on drugs, couldn't you say your presence here is an admission of failure?" Dr. Euan Horniman asked Walters after the official gave a breakfast speech at the City Club. Horniman noted that Britain and The Netherlands have decriminalized some drug use and offered addiction treatment programs instead of jail time without increasing the crime rate. Walters replied that decriminalization has failed when it has been tried in this country. He singled out former Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke for criticism, saying addiction rates and HIV infection from illegal drug use skyrocketed after Schmoke relaxed drug enforcement in the city. "If you want an example of why it doesn't work ... my answer is to go to Baltimore," Walters said. He said teen-agers and marijuana still rank as the top priorities of the government's anti-drug program, despite what the administration contends is a more relaxed attitude toward drug use by parents in the baby boomer generation. Government surveys show roughly one in four of the estimated 4.5 million Americans with a drug problem are teen-agers, he said. "I'm no Pollyanna -- I don't think we can eliminate the drug problem," Walters said. "But studies repeatedly show if they don't use drugs as teen-agers, they're unlikely to use them as adults. The same goes for cigarettes and alcohol." Walters came to Oregon on Friday to talk about national drug trends, this state's battles against methamphetamine labs, and local prevention and treatment efforts, among other matters. In a speech at the Portland City Club, Walters said money spent on illegal drugs in Oregon and the rest of the country helps support terrorism. The White House chief of the Office of National Drug Control Policy said drug money has always gone to terrorist groups but the attack on America last September has renewed government efforts to reduce drug trafficking and abuse. Walters said 12 of the 28 terrorist groups identified in a State Department report last year are linked to drug trafficking but he blamed the drug trade in Colombia for providing the most funding for terrorists in the Western Hemisphere. "We're not saying that all terrorism is funded by drug consumption," Walters said, "but in this hemisphere, a significant portion is." Another City Club member, Paul Millius, said he believes in tough drug law enforcement but he questioned the concern about marijuana. "It's the same old rhetoric about marijuana being a 'gateway drug' to something worse when 30 years of experience should have taught us that is just not the case," Millius said. "Now they're linking it to terrorism because the government can't come up with something new." Source: Associated Press Related Articles: Zeroing in on Border Pot Smugglers The Other Drug War - John Walters US Drug Chief Waves The Flag The Drug Czar's View of Edible Hemp Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
Comment #28 posted by Lehder on April 28, 2002 at 00:02:36 PT |
Here are some facts: 1. On 9/11 the US mainland was viciously attacked. 2. No official investigation into the reasons for our vulnerability has been made. 3. George Bush has refused to order an official investigation into whatever security lapses made the attack possible. Here, as I see it, is Parker's argument: 1. On 9/11 the US mainland was viciously attacked. 2. People like Lehder do not have enough to do; the Internet is their new asylum. THEREFORE 3. No investigation is warranted. This sounds a lot like drug-war logic to me. I think that an investigation is required, that the necessity of preventing future attacks is sufficient reason to demand an investigation, and that Americans are owed an investigation. It is my opinion, but not a fact, that an official inquiry into the sources of vulnerability would reveal foreknowledge and criminal exploitation of the attack within the Bush administration. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #27 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 18:06:36 PT |
not sure why I autofill my name in the title field... I must not be paying attention [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #26 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 18:04:23 PT:
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Considering that hemp is legal in China, but not pot, I find this next article interesting. Perhaps someone from the Aloha state has more info? (Rev. Adler?)
from: HONOLULU, April 27 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese Vice-President Hu Jintao [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #25 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 17:55:44 PT:
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It is more likeley that we will be taken seriously if we stick to science, fact and proof. See: and: ... and when I read Kathleen Parker's column, I wish she would apply the same patterns to expose the war on marijuana... From: The notion that we're all on the same team is laughable. Nobody does schadenfreude with as much glee as reporters, who shamelessly scour media gossip pages looking for their peers' failures and embarrassments. Don't ask how I know. ...so again, in my not so humble opinion: let's fight armed with science to make drug war history. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #24 posted by mayan on April 27, 2002 at 17:52:10 PT |
to the Orlando Sentinel, I did. Here's the address:
insight@orlandosentinel.com [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #23 posted by Lehder on April 27, 2002 at 17:47:43 PT |
Thanks for the link, mayan. s there any truth to any of it? Did George Bush orchestrate the events of 9-11, as some claim? Did he know in advance about the attacks and do nothing so that his oil friends could get rich, as others have suggested? Dozens of Web sites offer a smorgasbord of news snippets and individual conjecture to make a case for Bush's collusion in the event or at least in covering up the real perpetrators. One theory includes a timeline that supposedly "proves" that the U.S. government knew of the attacks but did nothing. Another suggests that the hijacked planes were flown by remote control, possibly by a nation such as Saudi Arabia. No, neither George Bush nor the government as a whole has the competence to orchestrate the attack or even the imagination to dream it up. I would like to begin simply with an investigation into how US security services failed to prevent the attack. And George Bush will not allow it. But he does have time to secret all his papers from the Texas governorship in a San Antonio vault along with his father's VP papers. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #22 posted by mayan on April 27, 2002 at 17:27:38 PT |
Conspiracy Theory Whisperers: Who Knew?
http://orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-edp-parker042402.column Kathleen Parker's e-mail adress: kparker@orlandosentinel.com [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #21 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 17:19:22 PT |
But the original poll site is up now, looks like something that could be easily investigated by looking at the ip addresses. I tried to vote 4 times to test the system, but the updates must have some sort of lag, because as far as I can tell, the number did NOT change. Of course, I could be wrong about that, but as a backed out of the site, all numbers seemed to stay the same...
Should Rep. Cynthia McKinney be suspended from sensitive committees like the House Armed Services Committee and the International Relations Committee?
Vote NOW: [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #20 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 17:10:50 PT |
I should mention that comment #16 was copied from: http://www.gwbush.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=2013&t=2013 As for freeps, I must have missed it. That link is now down or on hold or something... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #19 posted by DdC on April 27, 2002 at 16:19:22 PT |
"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists." Nixon Traitor [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #18 posted by Robbie on April 27, 2002 at 14:34:41 PT |
Have you seen it recently? At 17:28 EDT it's 72% YES! Talk about freeped! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #17 posted by el_toonces on April 27, 2002 at 11:07:42 PT:
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DdC -- I thought Dick answered his question: "You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?" I thought he later complained the "matter" with Jewish people was that too many of them were "psychiatrists," and it's not too hard to see how Dick might be made uncomfortable by anyone who paid attention to irrational behavior....... El [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #16 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 06:51:01 PT |
Posted from another site: The McKinney Poll has been "fixed" Remember a few days ago a poll similar to this was pulled from the Atlanta Constitution Journal because they said it was being freeped. Well I voted and then I tried to vote again. NO WAY Hosea! Well today a new poll is up and once again McKinney is winning so far. But guess what? Now it has been fixed so that you CAN vote multiple times. What do you bet that the word goes to Free Republic? McKinney is ahead now but let's see what happens later today. http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/wsbtv/news/poll_mckinney0423.html Should Rep. Cynthia McKinney be suspended from sensitive committees like the House Armed Services Committee and the International Relations Committee? Yes 44% 7109 No 56% 9104 That was at 7:15 AM Central time. I checked the numbers at 8:25 AM Central time and they were Yes 40% 7768 No 60% 11656 The poll has "yes" jumped about 500 in the last 10 minutes. Imagine a few people thinking it is their duty to misrepresent the will of the American people. One guy says he posted 250 times. Let's assume they are good for 50 votes apiece. That makes 200 busy Freepers. The good news is, as fewer and fewer of them are around, the Freeping burden will fall on fewer and fewer. More unhappy times ahead in Freeperville. While I was voting, 43 more "yes" votes came in, and ten more "no" votes. If you haven't voted yet, please do. Yeah they're freeping the @!#$ out of it still at 5:33 “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. “ - James Madison
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Comment #15 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 06:47:55 PT |
The poll has been taken down, this is all I could find: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/2001/10/mckinney2.html [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #14 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on April 27, 2002 at 06:47:14 PT |
Just saw the tail end of something about Walters in Oregon on CNN. It was from their Oregon affiliate. Walters was shown asking several questions which he must have posed rhetorically, like 'Should we give up on the War on Drugs?' 'Should we close down treatment centers?' Obviously, he has no idea what HARM REDUCTION truly means... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #13 posted by mayan on April 27, 2002 at 06:44:29 PT |
the page must no longer exist. Anyway, read about it here,maybe you can get on. http://www.gwbush.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=2013&t=2013 [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #12 posted by mayan on April 27, 2002 at 06:28:35 PT |
It asks: Should Rep. Cynthia McKinney be suspended from sensitive committees like the House Armed Services Committee And the International Relations Committee? http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/wsbtv/news/poll_mckinney0423.htm [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #11 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on April 27, 2002 at 06:13:44 PT |
Rev. Bookburn wrote:
>>Maybe Walters could use his 'talents' writing for tabloids or working for Fox News..or both!<< Don't forget, the most ultra-conservative host Fox News has got, Bill O'Reilly, said he didn't care about people smoking pot in their basements, and that he supported changing the marijuana laws. How can they keep finding people to fill this job who can not see the truth? Do they grow them in some government lab? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #10 posted by The GCW on April 27, 2002 at 06:11:22 PT |
4:27:2 Cannabis / kaneh bosm – Smoke cannabis to please Our Father. What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— is a blessing from Our Father. GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- To Walters: The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard. On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining. The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- We are bought with a price. We do not belong to ourselves. We belong to who put us here. We belong to Our Father. When using cannabis, the enjoyment you receive, is enjoyment to our Spirit, brains and souls and are all that of Our Father’s. The pleasantries of cannabis are for what belongs to Our Father, not just pleasantries just for Us. Cannabis pleases Our Father. Is there anything given to Us by Our Father, that He did not have pleasure in? Smoke cannabis to please Our Father. GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- GCW-GCW- It would be good if Walters could pray and ask Our Father for the Truth of kaneh bosm, and receive it. *If I was willing to die for the cause of cannabis.... *Baltimore did not legalize cannabis.... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #9 posted by aocp on April 27, 2002 at 05:39:01 PT |
Walters replied that decriminalization has failed when it has been tried in this country. He singled out former Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke for criticism, saying addiction rates and HIV infection from illegal drug use skyrocketed after Schmoke relaxed drug enforcement in the city. "If you want an example of why it doesn't work ... my answer is to go to Baltimore," Walters said. Relaxed enforcement is not the same thing as regulation, which we have yet to try. You people give the criminals a monopoly in this market and then wash your hands of this mess? What a sad, pathetic excuse for leadership. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #8 posted by DdC on April 27, 2002 at 00:41:44 PT |
"Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag- a thing with a soul that could mirror my own."
John P. Walters Falling in Line... "You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? Stepping Off Hard Drugs With Cannabis “If the hideous monster Frankenstein came face to face with the monster marihuana he would drop dead of fright.” Users of the marihuana weed are committing a large percentage of the atrocious crimes blotting the daily picture of American life. It is reducing thousands of boys to CRIMINAL INSANITY. And ONLY TWO STATES have effective laws to protect their people against it. The marihuana weed, according to Mr. Anslinger, is grown, sold and USED in every State in the Union. He charges, and rightly, that this is not a responsibility of one State, but OF ALL — and of the Federal Government. American women, aroused to this DANGER, will GET ACTION. (Aah-mmmmm?) A Roundup of Hearst’s Hysterical Headlines I wish I could show you what a small marihuana cigaret can do to one of our degenerate Spanish-speaking residents. That's why our problem is so great; the greatest percentage of our population is composed of Spanish-speaking persons, most of who are low mentally, because of social and racial conditions. "A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth that is what I am after...
I will have no intellectual training. Knowledge is ruin for my young men." Assassins of Youth Anslinger read into U.S. Congressional testimony (without objection) stories about ‘coloreds’ with big lips, luring white women with jazz music and marijuana. Bigotry and Aparteid "Marihuana Makes Fiends of Boys in 30 Days; Hasheesh Goads Users to Blood-Lust" create terror of the "killer weed from Mexico." Through his relentless disinformation campaign, Hearst is credited with bringing the word "marijuana" into the English language. In addition to fueling racist attitudes toward Hispanics, Hearst papers run articles about "marijuana-crazed negroes" raping white women and playing "voodoo-satanic" jazz music. http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/04/ECH04_13.HTM#lies Anslinger read an account of two “Negro” students at the University of Minnesota doing this to a white coed “with the result of pregnancy.” The Congressmen of 1937 gasped at this and at the fact that this drug seemingly caused white women to touch or even look at a “Negro.” DARE the FRCn Chemical Partnerships! Missing Nixon tapes "You're enough of a pro," Nixon tells Shafer, "to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell." Klintoon thought it would !!07"Flout" Congress too. Watch out for flouters, it sounds pretty bad Willlllber!...http://www.cannabinoid.com/wwwboard/politics/binaries/28/28411.gif "... the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races." "Marihuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death." "You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother." "marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind." President Ronald Reagan, at the urging of then Vice President George Bush, appointed Carlton Turner as the White House Drug (czar) Advisor in 1981. ACS - Division of Analytical Chemistry - DAC Awards "...somebody has to take governments' place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it." Philanthropy Roundtable Riteoffs for the Rich Copyright © 1997-2001 by the Philanthropy Roundtable "All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it." Just Say No!"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."From Benito Mussolini contributing to the "London Sunday Express," December 8, 1935 "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others." "There is a point at which the law becomes immoral and unethical. That point is reached when it becomes a cloak for the cowardice that dares not stand up against blatant violations of justice. A state that supresses all freedom of speech, and which by imposing the most terrible punishments, treats each and every attempt at criticism, however morally justified, and every suggestion for improvement as plotting to high treason, is a state that breaks an unwritten law." The Elkhorn Manifesto [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #7 posted by qqqq on April 27, 2002 at 00:02:21 PT |
"I'm no Pollyanna -- I don't think we can eliminate the drug problem," Walters said. ... ...Wow!!!...That's gotta be one of the best alltime classic drug-war quotes!!!!...think about it... Are we to then assume that only a "Pollyanna",would be foolish enough to think that 'Ellimination',of the "drug problem",is possible?........shit!,,between those dam Pollyannas and Leprachauns,,,we may never eliminate this drug problem! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #6 posted by john wayne on April 26, 2002 at 23:32:04 PT |
...that's about as clear as I've ever heard it put. "After 30 years of the war on drugs, couldn't you say your presence here is an admission of failure?" Dr. Euan Horniman asked Walters after the official gave a breakfast speech at the City Club. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #5 posted by Rev Bookburn on April 26, 2002 at 20:41:25 PT:
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It is amazing that Walters can even show his face in public. He says that decrim has failed everywhere. When and where was there no drug war hysteria? Walters represents the same racist, scapegoating policies that have destroyed lives and accomplished nothing of value for decades. He is the embodiment of a destructive, human failure. He can only offer myths and lies on behalf of his masters in the Bush regime. If he wants to talk about terrorism: who financed the contra-terrorists throughout the 80s and then had a DC airport named after him? Who touted the future al-Quada network as heroic freedom fighters who compare to our founders, as they received US training and funding to resist the Soviet invasion? Who has killed civilians in large numbers on every continent in the name of corporate interests? Who continues to do so? The lies of connecting the war on drugs with the war against other peoples' terrorism are not even believed by people who are unsympathetic to the hemp movement. Maybe Walters could use his 'talents' writing for tabloids or working for Fox News..or both! Rev Bookburn [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #4 posted by Sandino on April 26, 2002 at 20:08:16 PT:
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The current government of the U.$.A. is nothing but a group of "shuck & jive" artists, one lie after another. Wake up, you dead beat necropiles or face the music, the people demand the TRUTH and we want it "NOW"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another interesting story can be found at: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs en.htm S.A. Homes [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #3 posted by MikeEEEEE on April 26, 2002 at 19:35:41 PT |
"Now they're linking it to terrorism because the government can't come up with something new."
Very true, they can't find anymore excuses. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #2 posted by p4me on April 26, 2002 at 19:20:07 PT |
Busch is a caveman. Hutchinson is a caveman. There logic makes sense when they talk to other cavemen but it makes no sense to me. Walters can not single out marijuana and that besides being a violation of my freedom is a plant that can help many sick people. If I were Drug Csar as in Caesar, I would say we have to talk about marijuana and settle this so we can go on to new solutions. Walters, when you stay in your deep caves you only see with tunnel vision. You are no leader. You are a disgrace to the country you tunnelvisioned bastard. Starve the economy and have a thrifty meal. VAAI [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #1 posted by The GCW on April 26, 2002 at 18:49:07 PT |
and an upper cut! "It's the same old rhetoric ... "Now they're linking it to terrorism because the government can't come up with something new." [ Post Comment ] |
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