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Posted by FoM on April 25, 2002 at 13:37:48 PT Transcript for Wednesday, April 24, 2002 Source: Politically Incorrect Bill: Good evening. Welcome to "Politically Incorrect." Let me tell you who's here tonight. Mr. Steve Marmel, very funny comedian, star of "Pop Across America," CNN, weekdays at midnight. Robert Weiner, former spokesman for the White House office of national drug policy -- my old job. [ Light laughter ] Sanho Tree, you're the director of the drug policy project and a fellow at the institute for policy studies. And Rachael Leigh Cook, nothing to do with official drug policy, but you were in that cool commercial where you smashed the thing.
[ Cheers and applause ] And since -- Robert: No, it's not fair, Bill. Sanho: It's cheaper than ever before.
Bill: Is that figure correct? Has cocaine use gone down 70% in the last 15 years? Robert: Yes, it has.
Rachael: Thank you.
[ Light laughter ] But I would like to be as high as you -- [ Laughter ] -- [ Applause ] By the way --
[ Light laughter ] Rachael: Why do you think it's gone down that much? I mean, what are you attributing to it? Robert: It's a real good service to the parents, the teachers, the community coalitions, 5,000 of them, who've helped succeed in making drug use go down to say that it's a failure.
Robert: I had a letter in "The Washington Post" that disproves that because they base their number on the clouds.
Sanho: This is reality, and they admitted it.
Sanho: I've been out in the coca fields. [ Light laughter ] Steve: You seem incredibly focused for a man. [ Applause ] Sanho: But our policies of trying to eradicate this problem using spray planes, all that does is act as a price support.
[ Light laughter ] No, seriously. Bill: People have.
[ Applause ] Steve: And we're not even talking --
[ Light laughter ] -- Robert: Alcohol.
[ Laughter ] Bill: Yeah. Robert: There's a real politic in America.
[ Laughter ] I don't want to let that genie out of the bottle.
[ Laughter ]
I became a little sleepy and unfocused myself listening to that. [ Laughter ] Robert: We can give you the fodder that we know you'll attack which is that you're 80 times more likely to go to cocaine if you've used marijuana.
[ Laughter ] Steve: Why would you throw him that softball? Why would you give him that? Bill: You have got to be kidding? Sanho: Every alcoholic started out by drinking milk. [ Laughter ]
Bill: But what happened to you to make you have this hard ass -- [ Laughter ] -- Robert: Biggest myth out there. [ Laughter ] Even Marion Barry, who wasn't arrested for the little bit of marijuana that he had, there's a de facto decriminalization of small quantities of marijuana all across the country.
Rachael: That's what I was gonna say. [ Applause ] Bill: We gotta take a break. [ Applause ] Well, the Vatican sex abuse summit concluded in Rome today. Bill: Well, Bill Clinton headlined today, playing his saxophone at a voter registration drive at the Apollo Theater. [ Laughter ]
All right. Steve: I totally agree.
Steve: Yes.
Bill: That's a good point.
[ Laughter ]
That is their after-School activity.
Bill: It's when the parents aren't around, and that's the problem. Robert: I'm sorry.
Robert: With what we're going through now with security at airports, to pee in a bottle is a big deal? It's nothing.
You know, it's just --
[ Talking over each other ] Bill: Say it.
Sanho: They learn how to cheat. Steve: So it's an applied learning.
[ Laughter ] Steve: We're sending the wrong message to kids. [ Applause ] Bill: I mean, all your statistics about drugs are going down. [ Laughter ] Robert: You're big on science with the Bush Administration with global warming and other things.
Robert: Because the Netherlands have such a free society, and they get it off to us. [ Light laughter ] Sanho: Oh, Bob, how do you feel about anorexia? We all agree it's a terrible thing. Steve: 'Cause they'd slide right through the bars. [ Laughter ] Sanho: Should we have weight courts instead of drug courts? Shouldn't we monitor people? Robert: I think the gentleman from the "Cow and Chicken" cartoon shows got it right that drug testing is a good deterrent, and it's what parents should have as a tool.
[ Applause ] Bill: All right, we're talking about drugs in America. [ Laughter ] But basically, don't Americans love speed, whether it's in Jolt or Mountain Dew or coffee or Vivarin or No Doz? Whatever it is, don't eat right, take more speed.
[ Applause ] That's real.
Rachael: No, I just really like it. [ Laughter ] I don't know. [ Applause ] I'm serious.
[ Laughter and applause ] Great. [ Laughter ] You know, it's like --
Robert: I'm saying that's where the line is. [ Laughter ] And your point is right.
Bill: Well, lots of people have.
Bill: I don't know about sugar, but yes, Eric clapton said his drug problems began with sugar.
Bill: It takes years, but what I'm saying is that the root of the problem is that we don't try to fix ourselves in any sort of internal or natural way. [ Applause ]
Sanho: On the one hand, the government is sending us ads saying if you take drugs, you're supporting terrorists.
[ Talking over each other ] Bill: Your position is President Bush is soft on drugs? Robert: He's soft on opium -- [ Laughter ] Bill: That"s ho hard you are on this issue. Robert: You can't find a presidential candidate who can claim to be drug-free.
[ Applause ] Bill: In conclusion, the motto of the Red Bull -- [ Applause ] Guests: Rachael Leigh Cook Source: Politically Incorrect Institute for Policy Studies Press Release: Weiner on ABC's 'Politically Incorrect' Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
Comment #40 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 07:15:58 PT:
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http://www.reason.com/0205/fe.sp.hungry.shtml
The view of addiction espoused by Leshner and Gordis is at odds with what we know about the actual behavior of drug users and drinkers -- including evidence from government-sponsored research. These studies indicate that treatment is neither necessary nor sufficient for overcoming addiction. The main factor in successful resolution of a drug or alcohol problem is the ability to find rewards in ordinary existence and to form caring relationships with people who are not addicts. By looking instead for a magical elixir just over the horizon, NIDA and the NIAAA give short shrift to the individual circumstances that are crucial to understanding why some people abuse drugs. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #39 posted by Jose Melendez on April 27, 2002 at 05:07:14 PT:
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No matter where you look, prohibition has ALWAYS been about lies: Genesis 3 Genocide 3 [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #38 posted by FoM on April 26, 2002 at 20:20:16 PT |
In the National Interest Friday, April 26
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/DailyNews/newmideast_020424.html Underneath the devastated infrastructure and harsh soil of the landlocked, war-torn Central Asian nations is oil, and lots of it. The global war on terrorism brought some stability to this part of the world, but is the energy industry, and Washington, expecting something in return? Tonight, on the second of two broadcasts, the fuzzy line that seperates shared interests, and shared principles. • Message Board: Oil in Central Asia
Part I -- In the National Interest Rebuilding Afghanistan is an issue of economics. Underneath the devastated infrastructure and harsh soil of this landlocked, war-torn nation is oil, and lots of it. The global war on terrorism brought stability to this part of the world, but is the energy industry, and Washington, expecting something in return? Tonight, the first of two broadcasts.
• Message Board: Oil in Central Asia [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #36 posted by FoM on April 26, 2002 at 17:36:26 PT |
I smoke (shame on me) and drink lots of diet coke. I go from coffee to diet coke and when I was young I loved to do prescription diet pills back when they were good and not hard to get. I don't think you can get diet pills ( speed ) now a days like way back when. I quit when they took the fun out. Any stimulant can encourage more drug use I think. Doctor please, some more of these, outside the door she took 4 more! LOL! Made me think of that cool song! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #35 posted by Jose Melendez on April 26, 2002 at 17:29:38 PT |
Are saying caffeine and nicotine MAY lead to speed and coke use? Yes. Because (someone please correct me if I am wrong) they work in the same ways and in the same pathways, they are essentially the same drugs, and it is probably only social mores that would keep you from one or the other... Thanks for taking the point lightly, I really must learn to phrase things nicer, I guess. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #34 posted by FoM on April 26, 2002 at 17:13:49 PT |
I really like the people that comment here and can call it home. I think the DrugSense chat is great too. I just can't get there very often. I'm very tired or busy in the evening. I could talk much easier during the week when the news is slow in the afternoon but I know people work and the time is for those who can't get their during the week. Maybe I could get my own chat. That would be nice and have a moderator keep their eye on it. I have a little free chat and I check in now and then and see people use it but I just don't. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #33 posted by kaptinemo on April 26, 2002 at 17:06:03 PT:
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Lest this degenarate into a mutual admiration society: I know of no other 'place' that offers the high caliber of discourse (save for DrugSenseChat and the folks I met at last year's NORML convention) that I've come to expect here; I have given up looking elsewhere. (And Observer will tell you that I am very careful with my adjectives...and lack the temperament to suffer fools gladly. Almost been killed by completely sober but terminally stupid people too many times to have the requisite patience with idiots.) The host is largely responsible for the success of the party; you've done a superb job. As to 'approval'; you certainly don't need my approval for anything; you've held your own quite successfully :) Without you, we would have had a hard time finding a place to 'go'. Many, many thanks! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #32 posted by Sknydpr on April 26, 2002 at 10:33:51 PT:
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Don't quote Shakespeare at me, pal! (I'm kidding.) Jose Melendez said: Don't be too offended, you might cross over the line into denial, like chain smoking drug warrior Bill Bennett, or former DEA chief Thomas Constantine: I'm not offended, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are saying caffeine and nicotine MAY lead to speed and coke use? I have used speed a couple of times (way) in the past; it didn't do anything but keep me up all night. Since I like to sleep almost more than anything, that doesn't (and didn't) appeal to me. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #31 posted by FoM on April 26, 2002 at 09:32:26 PT |
Thank you for your approval. I really do appreciate it. The more I do news the more I see the drug war puzzle falling together. We know how it started and why and now it is so big and complicated that it sometimes scares me. World dominance and oil, black gold, is the prize. DdC on the political board of Cannabis.com was the first one to make me see that aspect. We are filling our earth up with products that can't be returned to the earth but will stay forever. That makes me feel sick. We don't own the earth but share it with animals, fish, trees, birds, sea creatures and microbes. The earth will rebel. The earth itself is more determined to survive then mankind. We are an arrogant world to think we can do what we want and not feel repercussions from it. I could go on and on but that sums up my discust for it all. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #30 posted by Jose Melendez on April 26, 2002 at 08:52:57 PT:
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This is a drug-loving culture, and until we address the real problem, it always will be, and you will never find success in the method you are taking.
[ Applause ]From: 1. Dare To Be the Skunk "Every organization," says (United States Secretary of State Colin) Powell, "should tolerate rebels who tell the emperor he has no clothes ... and this particular emperor expects to be told when he is naked." As a young officer out of the ROTC program at New York's City College, Powell headed a platoon in Vietnam-where he learned something about how not to lead others. "We accepted that we had been sent to pursue a policy that had become bankrupt," he wrote in his best-selling autobiography. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #29 posted by Jose Melendez on April 26, 2002 at 08:21:59 PT | |||||||||||||||
Also from: http://www.tobaccofreedom.org/issues/addiction/
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Comment #28 posted by Jose Melendez on April 26, 2002 at 08:06:51 PT:
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Don't be too offended, you might cross over the line into denial, like chain smoking drug warrior Bill Bennett, or former DEA chief Thomas Constantine: From:
Also, from:
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Comment #27 posted by idbsne1 on April 26, 2002 at 07:37:22 PT |
Someone also mentioned this a while back when Joyce made a visit... she used the same source... the Maryland Trauma stats... Someone made the good point that when there is alcohol AND marijuana in the bloodstream...they just chalk it up as marijuana "related". Therefore, the numbers on alcohol should be higher, while mj's numbers should be lower. Thanks guys for all those links....absolutely priceless... idbsne1 [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #26 posted by lookinside on April 26, 2002 at 07:02:54 PT:
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Glad you are back. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #25 posted by Sknydpr on April 26, 2002 at 06:55:13 PT:
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Forgot to mention that I also didn't care too much for Maher's insinuation that caffeine and nicotine are gateways to speed and coke. That's a pretty slippery slope, for someone that denies that marijuana leads to harder drugs. I'm probably a caffeine addict, and definitely addicted to nicotine, but I don't think I'm really likely to 'move up' to speed and coke. I still like Bill Maher a lot, but this wasn't his finest (half-) hour. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #24 posted by Toker00 on April 26, 2002 at 05:46:27 PT |
You have a great way of explaining the big picture. Thanks. Peace. Realize, the Legalize. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on April 26, 2002 at 04:49:20 PT:
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Nope. It's not off topic at all. Like anything else, there's an ecology at work; parts fitting together to make a whole. The government (run by oil people like Bush and Cheney) know the only way they can get richer is if Central Asia falls under our control. They can't do that without troops. The American public will not stand for a naked resource grab in Central Asia and Latin America. But they will go for a "War on Terror"...especially if they feel their kids threatened by 'drugs' (odd how those same parents don't seem to mind their kids being forcefully doped with Ritalin, isn't it?) so they tepidly give their assent...and the top oil eexcs sit back and smile. We've known for years that the US Oil Elite have wanted the pipeline in Colombia to be secured by US troops under the aegis of 'fighting drugs'. Now they are going to try for a double-play: Colombia and Afghanistan. And because they know that if they just come out and honestly say what they want, the Average (translation: dim-bulbed) American would turn them down. So they have to find a more palatable way of ramming their plans down our throats. Thus, we get the War on (Some) Drugs sloppily spot-welded to the brand-spanking-new but factory-flawed War on Terror. While Afghanis and US service personnel fight and die to make Afghanistan safe for Unocal. Ad execs on Madison Avenue cynically dream up new variations of old themes to incite patriotic fervor (and insult a thinking person's intelligence) to keep people's minds off of the biggest oil grab in history...while CEO's of oil companies sit back and chuckle at the seeming eternal gullibility of the American public. Not off topic at all... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #22 posted by kaptinemo on April 26, 2002 at 04:29:45 PT:
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Great to see you again! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #21 posted by FoM on April 25, 2002 at 20:50:09 PT |
In the National Interest Thursday, April 25 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/index.html Rebuilding Afghanistan is an issue of economics. Underneath the devastated infrastructure and harsh soil of this landlocked, war-torn nation is oil, and lots of it. The global war on terrorism brought stability to this part of the world, but is the energy industry, and Washington, expecting something in return? Tonight, the first of two broadcasts. • Message Board: Oil in Central Asia http://boards.abcnews.go.com/cgi/abcnews/request.dll?LIST&room=tv_oil [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #20 posted by FoM on April 25, 2002 at 20:06:09 PT |
Welcome back freedomfighter! I've wondered where you've been and am glad you are back. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #19 posted by dddd on April 25, 2002 at 19:52:01 PT |
..It's good to see you again!!!!.....dddd [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #18 posted by MikeEEEEE on April 25, 2002 at 19:38:32 PT |
Robert Weiner looked like a fool. I recommend the Feds keep using him.
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Comment #17 posted by freedom fighter on April 25, 2002 at 19:34:02 PT |
Car crashes? What next? How many more excuses?? ff PS)It's good to be back online! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #16 posted by Nasarius on April 25, 2002 at 18:21:58 PT |
I've just lost all respect for Bill Maher. Wake up: the Bill of Rights doesn't suddenly take effect when you turn 18 or 21 or whatever other arbitrary age you want. There are a whole lot of teenagers who are a lot smarter than most adults, and a great deal of adults who are stupid and immature. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #15 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 17:02:01 PT:
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I meant to type: Tests for legal drugs are rare. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #14 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 17:00:55 PT:
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Robert: Again, there's science on this.
60% of arrestees test positive for illegal drugs.
Those are the illegal ones specifically.
Wrong again:
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Comment #13 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 16:52:43 PT:
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Bill: Then why is ecstasy up exponentially?
Robert: Because the Netherlands have such a free society, and they get it off to us. We gotta really hammer at them. The Frontline piece last night tried to editorialize that because Canadian policies (and especially judges) were so liberal, that something needed to be done... This might be the next wave of propaganda. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #12 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 16:30:56 PT |
http://raru.adelaide.edu.au/T95/paper/s13p4.html [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #11 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 16:29:13 PT:
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LEGAL DRUGS AND DRIVINGG Berghaus, B-L Guo
T Asoh, M Uchiumi, M Murasaki
B Friedel, G Berghaus
G Chesher, J Lemon, M Gomel, G Murphy
M Ohtsuji, T Ohshima, T Takayasu, J Nishigami, T Kondo, Z Lin, T Minamino
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Comment #10 posted by dddd on April 25, 2002 at 16:28:40 PT |
..I think Bob Weiner is my new favorite...after seeing him on PI,,and the way he proudly,,and boldly made the typical assinine proclamations of drugwarSpeak,,,unflinching in his obsessive fervor...Shrugging off,and ignoring the obvious idiocy of his words.......yup...Robert Wiener,,,A true Classic!... ...dddd [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #9 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 16:15:32 PT:
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From http://raru.adelaide.edu.au/T95/paper/s4p2.html Toxicologies showed: 37% alcohol-only; 11% alcohol-and-drugs; and 9% drugs-only. The most frequently found drugs were: 48% alcohol; 13% tetrahydrocannabinol or its metabolites (THC/THCCOOH); 4% cocaine; and 5% diazepam. Due to the low frequencies of drug use found in the toxicological analyses, a number of drug - "dummy" related variables were created by grouping drugs into present/absent categories: central nervous system stimulants; central nervous system depressants; tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and/or tetrahydrocannabinol metabolite (THCCOOH); and alcohol. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #8 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 16:06:55 PT:
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From: http://raru.adelaide.edu.au/T95/paper/s1p2.html Marijuana's effects on actual driving performance were assessed in a series of three studies wherein dose-effect relationships were measured in actual driving situations that progressively approached reality. The first was conducted on a highway closed to other traffic. Subjects (24) were treated on separate occasions with THC 100, 200 and 300 µg/kg, and placebo. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #7 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 15:59:31 PT:
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From: http://www.giis.org/roadhazard.htm Narrow highways with minimal (if any) shoulders and unforgiving roadsides are a major contributing factor in roadway deaths each year. Some 58 percent of Kentucky's fatalities occur on rural roads. Nearly 44 percent of Kentucky highway deaths are the result of collisions with fixed objects along the roadside.(*these are Kentucky state numbers) [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #6 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 15:55:18 PT:
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From: http://www.giis.org/roadhazard.htm Most of the annual 42,000 car crash fatalities occur on two-lane roads where many of the roadway hazards are located. The U.S. Federal Highway Department noted in 1995 alone there were 37,221 fatal vehicle crashes resulting in 41,798 deaths across the U.S., and 77 percent of these fatal crashes (28,552) occurred on two-lane roads. Nearly 12,000 of all fatalities that occur each year involve vehicles hitting fixed objects such as trees and poles, according to the government. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #5 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 15:51:50 PT:
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From: http://www.health.state.ok.us/program/injury/updates/mvcalc.html In the U.S. an estimated 115 motor vehicle fatalities occur per day or one every 13 minutes. In 1995, there were a total of 17,274 alcohol-related traffic fatalities in the U.S. which accounted for 41% (17,274/41,798) of the total traffic fatalities for the year.Criminalize beer or shut up. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #4 posted by Jose Melendez on April 25, 2002 at 15:46:31 PT:
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Re: Robert: Let's differentiate.
Nobody has died because of a cup of coffee. 1997 Meeting Contents
Russell L. Uptegrove, MD, Kim Collins, MD
Department of Pathology, Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina Caffeine (1,3,7-trimethylxanthine) is the world Some prescription drugs also contain caffeine. In general, peak levels can be expected
anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes after ingestion. The half life ranges from 3-7.5 hours in healthy adults.
The half life is much longer in children and infants. The half life may be increased in individuals with liver
insufficiency or deceased cardiac output. There is a wide variation in lethal levels in reported fatalities.
Review of a very limited data base shows that caffeine-related deaths in humans are usually due to arrhythmias.
District histologic changes are not present. No Doz tablets are available over-the-counter and area commonly used to help restore mental alertness or wakefullness when experiencing fatigue or drowsiness. No Doz contain 100 mg of caffeine per tablet. No Doz Maximum Strength caplets contain 200 mg of caffeine per caplet. We report the sudden death of a 15 year old white male with no significant past medical history.
After having an argument with his grandmother in when he was allegedly hit with a broom, he was witnessed
taking 40 No Doz Maximum Strength caplets. Approximately 1-1.5 hours later, he reported a headache, shaking and Toxicological analysis of the blood was negative for ethanol. The urine drug screen was positive for
acetaminophen=(21 mg/L) and caffeine=(46 mg/L). The stomach contents were analyzed and acetaminophen and caffeine were detected by thin layer chromatography. The drug quantitation performed on the stomach contents by high pressure liquid chromatography revealed a caffeine level of 330 mg/L. Based on history and
toxicological analysis, the cause of death was determined to be probable cardiac arrhythmia secondary to caffeine toxicity. The manner of death was deemed a suicide. Key words: Caffeine, No Doz, Overdose
NAME: Russell L. Uptegrove, MD [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #3 posted by mayan on April 25, 2002 at 15:36:01 PT |
"George Bush funded a lot of terrorists in his day, didn't he?"(referring to the Shrub's "youthful indiscretion" with cocaine) - Bill Maher [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #2 posted by observer on April 25, 2002 at 14:28:00 PT |
Robert: Car crashes.
Car crashes. [ Applause ] Steve: And we're not even talking -- Robert: Let's talk science. Marijuana is the second-leading cause of car crashes. At the University of Maryland shock trauma unit, more people were in car crashes with marijuana than alcohol. More weasel words. "In car crashes", eh? At fault, or innocent victims? Of course, they omitted that little 'detail' and insinuate the worst. That's why they pay the big bucks to prohibition propagandists like Weiner. see: Cannabis/Driving StudiesAustralia: No Proof Cannabis Put Drivers At Risk (2001) http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1849/a09.html UK: Cannabis May Make You A Safer Driver (2000) http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n1161/a02.html University Of Toronto Study Shows Marijuana Not A Factor In Driving Accidents (1999) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases\1999\03\990325110700.htm Australia: Cannabis Crash Risk Less: Study (1998) http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98/n945/a08.html Australia: Study Goes to Pot (1998) http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98/n947/a06.html [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #1 posted by Sknydpr on April 25, 2002 at 14:15:12 PT:
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I just watched this show about an hour ago. As usual, the anti-drug guy just spouted a lot of idiotic rhetoric, which Bill Mahr (the host) didn't hesitate to label as stupid or a lie. Mahr did let a couple of points slip by, such as when the comedian said that kids can't legally buy liquor but they get it anyway and that he didn't want to make MJ more accessible to them. Of course, the point to be made here would be that MJ is more available to kids than liquor, NOW, since there's zero control over the distribution. Mahr also came out in favor of drug-testing any and all public school students, which I found bewildering. [ Post Comment ] |
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