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  Ottawa's Not A Very Good Drug Dealer
Posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 12:04:29 PT
By Mindelle Jacobs, Edmonton Sun 
Source: Edmonton Sun  

medical The federal government is obviously profoundly uncomfortable at the idea of dabbling in the drug-dealing business. Last year, with much fanfare, Ottawa unveiled what it described as a "compassionate framework" to allow the use of marijuana for medical purposes.

The new regulations were designed to replace exemption provisions that required people to get special permission from the health minister to use pot for therapeutic reasons.

It was supposed to be easier for those suffering from debilitating illnesses to access medical marijuana. Things haven't turned out that way.

As part of the application process, patients are supposed to obtain declarations from medical specialists that include, among other details, a recommended dosage.

Physicians, as you can imagine, aren't interested in prescribing a drug without clear, scientific evidence on the risks and benefits.

As a result, doctors have been largely reluctant to co-operate and Ottawa has had to grant extensions under the old rules to many patients who were previously allowed to smoke pot.

Two months ago, I wrote about an Edmonton couple suffering from hepatitis C whose exemption from prosecution under the old law was scheduled to expire at the end of this week.

Try as they might, Dale and Alice Strohmaier couldn't find specialists who would help them apply for permission to use pot under the new regulations.

The day my column ran, a Health Canada official phoned them and gave assurances that the problem would be resolved.

Sure enough, the couple were granted a six-month extension. Numerous other sick Canadians have been quietly granted similar renewals because they, too, haven't been able to convince doctors to fill in their applications.

But they're sorely mistaken if they think they'll have access to Ottawa's own research-grade weed any time soon.

Sure, the plants have been harvested in the government's high-security underground pot bunker in Flin Flon, but the stuff is just sitting there smelling up the place.

When Health Canada announced in December 2000 that Prairie Plant Systems Inc. had won a $5.7-million contract to grow standardized pot for medical and research needs, it declared that the government-authorized marijuana would be available in a year.

More than a year later, priorities have changed.

There is no "time frame" as to when the Flin Flon pot will be distributed, Farah Mohamed, spokesman for Health Minister Anne McLellan, told me yesterday.

And that's not all. Our official weed won't be released to the ailing Canadians who qualify until clinical trials on medicinal pot have been completed, she said.

"We're not in the business of taking risks," she added, saying the government has no intention of distributing an untested product.

In that case, Ottawa should have clearly stated right from the beginning that it would likely be years before people not involved in clinical trials would have access to government pot.

The clinical trials, by the way, haven't begun yet.

In the meantime, there's all that pot stored in Flin Flon, which, unless it's really wicked, is bound to lose its potency as the months go by.

York University law professor Alan Young predicts Ottawa will end up incinerating this batch on the grounds that it no longer has any medicinal value.

While the government is committed to clinical trials, it's not particularly interested in being a drug dealer for ill Canadians, says Young, who has represented ailing Canadians in their fight to use pot.

"I don't think they can backpedal on this. They can stall, they can delay, but I don't think they can subvert it. We have to move forward eventually."

Young plans to push the process along. He's about to go to court to try to have Ottawa's medicinal pot regulations quashed. If he wins, pot possession will no longer be a crime. That should give Ottawa a buzz.

Source: Edmonton Sun (CN AB)
Author: Mindelle Jacobs, Edmonton Sun
Published: April 23, 2002
Copyright: 2002 Canoe Limited Partnership
Contact: letters@edm.sunpub.com
Website: http://www.fyiedmonton.com/htdocs/edmsun.shtml

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Comment #40 posted by Sam Adams on April 24, 2002 at 20:00:32 PT
Great book!
Wow, I can't wait to read the rest either! I would never blame Stroup for anything he did - how can any of us know how we would react? Bourne supported Paraquat? That's horrible! People were poisoned and killed by that stuff.

You can't judge things that went on in the 70's by today's standards. Our culture has moved SO far since then. It's like talking about a different country. People in the 70's assumed drugs would soon be legal - why wouldn't you? It made sense - no one could have foreseen the militarization of American law enforcement, the 500% percent increase in prison population, the DARE brainwashing, high schools turned into prisons, the pimping-out of an entire generation of young people, programmed only to buy and work, work and buy, buy, buy. I was only a kid but I can clearly remember how extremely different things were. We're now in the age of materialism, of consumerism. There were no logos in the 70's. Music didn't make it onto the radio unless it was actually good. Parents came home from work at 5:00 and hung out with their kids (even high-level executives). My sister and I used to go play with the neighborhood kids, not sit in a dark room all summer sending IMs to friends. The main street of our town had all different types of stores, the same guy would wait on you at the clothes store the entire time you were growing up, no shit.

That's what bothers me - the drug war is just part of a larger regression. The quality of life has been dropping steadily since I was a teenager. The grand myth of technology, ha - it has enslaved us, not freed us. Just flip on the TV and watch a baseball game or and NBA game, the quality of play has plummeted in the last 25 years. You see guys earning 10 million a year drop a fly ball - some of them can barely run to first base cause they're so damn fat. I'm droning now, but it's true.

I can's see how anyone could diss the guys in NORML, they're heroes. I think the changes that have taken place in our society may have rendered the NORML organizational model obsolete. It's big money that changes the law nowadays. Just look at all the drug law reform changes in the US in the last 7 years, virtually none of it could have happened without a few mega-rich guys kicking in millions in cash. People are too apathetic now, it's no use trying to rile them up to act, you need huge amounts of money to do anything.

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Comment #39 posted by FoM on April 24, 2002 at 18:06:03 PT
kaptinemo
Very well said!

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Comment #38 posted by kaptinemo on April 24, 2002 at 17:44:47 PT:

Lest anyone misunderstood me
I have no axes to grind...for our camp, that is.

But there are entirely too many of us that are unwilling to look squarely at the failure of the earlier attempt at cannabis re-legalization...or they are simply ignorant of it.

Learn from history, yes...but also be aware that every activist, known and unknown, is busy in making history. That's right folks, it's not really made by the 'big names'; they are but focal points. History is really made by all the countless, nameless, faceless foot-soldiers, in every struggle. Like you and me. You are making history, in every little town and big city across the continent. What else would you call attempting to change a nearly century old policy based upon racial injustice?

But it is incumbent upon those busy in making history to be aware of the pitfalls that have tripped up those who came before...and failed. If we don't, we can expect to hear Santayana's ghostly laughter for not remembering his warning about not learning from the past.

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Comment #37 posted by FoM on April 24, 2002 at 13:25:58 PT
Patrick
I didn't even realized it rhymed but I do believe what I said whole heartedly. The destruction of anything comes through division. Slow and methodical. There is nothing wrong with knowing how we got where we are today but it's what we do with the knowledge that really matters. Do we pick sides and start slinging dirt? Or do we think oh well they're human and no one knows the future results of what we do now until the future is upon us so that is the most important thing. Learn from mistakes of the past and don't become part of the problem I think.

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Comment #36 posted by Patrick on April 24, 2002 at 13:15:12 PT
FoM
That rhymes so nicely…

We will win with harmony but we won't win with a scattered army.

The enemy (prohibitionists) knows that first you divide and then you conquer your enemies.It is old school military strategy that even 1st grade bullies understand. The prohibitionists consider anyone that wants to see the end of cannabis prohibition the enemy. Unfortunately, the prohibitionists also have the power to lock you up, take away your god given rights, confiscate your property, and basically end your pursuit of happiness. I think exploring the history of why this freaking situation even exists can only shed light on the movement to end prohibition not divide it. Anyway, that is my opinion that isn't even worth two cents anymore thanks to inflation.

I think the one over all goal of freeing cannabis from prohibition still stands. I don't rightly care how it happens eventually just as long as it happens.

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Comment #35 posted by FoM on April 24, 2002 at 12:52:38 PT
Dr. Russo and Everyone
I know there are squabbles in drug policy reform circles but I don't care. Each group works and does what it thinks is best. Let's say that a so and so group just can't stand this so and so group. It just doesn't matter to me. I won't allow my brain to get sucked into anti-positive vibrations.

We will win with harmony but we won't win with a scattered army.

I want to win!!!

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Comment #34 posted by Patrick on April 24, 2002 at 12:51:01 PT
It would...
I would... sheesh

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Comment #33 posted by Patrick on April 24, 2002 at 12:50:26 PT
Right on Doc!!!
The future is bright, indeed, if we can marshall this positive energy toward the greater good.

It would imagine going to a convention on cannabis would be awesome. One of these days I would like to make one myself when it is safe to smoke a joint without the fear of federal handcuffs and iron bars awaiting me for doing so.

It would imagine going to a convention on cannabis would be awesome. One of these days, I would like to make it to one myself when it is safe to smoke a joint on the patio without the fear of federal handcuffs and iron bars awaiting me for doing so.

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Comment #32 posted by Ethan Russo MD on April 24, 2002 at 12:41:11 PT:

And Another Thing----
I go to a lot of meetings for different reasons and causes. As these matters go, the NORML meeting was a collection of some of the nicest, most sincere and intelligent people that has ever been my pleasure to attend. It includes people who smoke cannabis, grow cannabis, use cannabis as medicine, fuel, or fiber, and some that do not, but still support that freedom.

The future is bright, indeed, if we can marshall this positive energy toward the greater good.

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Comment #31 posted by Ethan Russo MD on April 24, 2002 at 12:35:25 PT:

Let Me Say This About That
In the last few years, I have gotten to know a great many people in "the movement." I am aware of a lot of history: who canned whom, who doesn't talk to so-and-so, etc. I am also willing to admit that there is an occasional person that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. By and large, I try to "go along to get along."

I am in a position where I feel I should not be alienating anyone. I can be more abrasive than the next guy, and have been labeled as not suffering fools gladly, but try to focus my rancor on the opposition. The way I see it, the vast majority of people involved with this cause are generous, and motivated by noble ideals. There have to clashes of opinion and personality, but as long as we have a common goal in sight, it is absolutely essential that it remain paramount, and not subjugated by infighting. Thus, you will not see my ire focused on anyone against the War on Drugs. If I have something too political on my mind, I trust my surrogates to carry the proverbial ball, as they do so ably.

Different people have different talents, and different methods. My role is to investigate and publish, and another's is to agitate. May we all be successful.

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Comment #30 posted by Patrick on April 24, 2002 at 12:33:48 PT
kaptinemo
Thanks for the "deep" link! :)

I gleaned these illuminating and timely morsels from the introduction…

The slippery little Vietcong in Southeast Asia had become the dope-smoking hippie at home, and it was somehow imperative that the government's armed forces search out and destroy him. The same mentality that could say we had to destroy a village to save it in Vietnam could argue that we had to send a college student to prison to save him from marijuana.

If there is anything to be learned in a national campaign, as it moves endlessly from city to city, rally to rally, enclave to enclave, it is that America is an incredibly large, diversified, and potentially explosive nation, less melting pot than tinderbox. The divisions are all there-black and white, Protestant and Catholic, North and South, immigrant and blueblood-waiting for politicians to exploit them. Now to that list has been added the division between those who enjoy drugs and those who fear them.

Afghanistan terrorists and drug warriors.

Can anyone else see history repeating itself yet?

I look forward to reading all 19 chapters in due time.

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Comment #29 posted by Dan B on April 24, 2002 at 11:06:11 PT:

Echoes of Kaptinemo
Here's a link to Richard Cowan's Marijuana News article with a similar theme:

http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=496

This article may make some a bit uneasy, and in fact it does point out a sore spot between Mr. Cowan (whom I respect) and Rob Kampia (whose efforts I also respect). But I think the heart of it is that one person can ruin a good thing for everyone, yet the future of the movement looks bright precisely because people in the movement, now more than ever, are willing to set aside their differences in order to effect change.

One more word, if I may: this movement is not the place to look for our egos to be stroked. If we are going to learn from one another (which is the only way we will grow this movement and ourselves), we have to be willing to accept ourselves and each other in spite of our failures, and we have to be willing to learn from those failures so that we do not repeat them. Sometimes I make remarks to a specific individual that are meant to be corrective and likely sound harsh, and anyone who has spent some time at C-News knows I have received many such comments as well. We all mean no harm by this. Rather, we seek to help each other learn.

So, let's all make a pact. Let's agree that we can disagree all we want, but in the end what really matters is that we are all on the same side, working toward a common goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.

If you got this far, thanks for putting up with my rambling.

Dan B

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Comment #28 posted by kaptinemo on April 24, 2002 at 06:12:21 PT:

4D and others, this is what I mean
There are a lot of people who have asked, here and elsewhere, why we've had so hard a time trying to get cannabis legalized again.

Most of us are aware of the matter regarding Anslinger's lies, Hearst's propaganda, DuPont's interests in keeping safe, natural alternatives to fossil fuels and plastics off the market, PFDFA taking money from distilleries, pharmaceuticals and breweries who don't want competition from cannabis, etc.

But many don't know of what went on in our own camp with regards to the personages - and their egos - which caused such dissention and confusion in our own ranks that the so-called 'parents movement' won by default.

I invite the curious to look here:

High in America: The True Story Behind NORML and the Politics of Marijuana http://www.druglibrary.org/special/anderson/highinamerica.htm

I realize that there are plenty of dissenting opinions concerning what happened; the book is 20 years old, and many of the players involved in the historical proceedings are still around...and will wish this matter wasn't brought up. It is, in a word, explosive. I am risking censure by even mentioning it, as some here hold some very strong opinions about what went on. But this matter must be examined, if only to keep this from scuttling our chances again..

(Recently, during the PBS special on the DrugWar last year, one of the major players - you'll recognize the name right off - confirmed the suspicions of many of us familiar with the history of the movement that he snitched on a major government ally in the Carter Administration. This sabotage was deliberate.)

The truth is the 'parents movement' couldn't have done what they did if they hadn't had help...from some of the 'leaders' of the re-legalization movement. Because somebody's ego got bruised, and in his narrow-minded, coke-fueled arrogance, wanted to retaliate... and in doing so, is partly responsible for condemning many of us to the Hell we've experinced these last 20 years.

Yes, we do need some flamboyant types to rattle cages and upset staid tea parties. Sometimes you have to have rabble-rousers who, as Kipling put it, 'make the cinders fly'. But we don't need loose cannons shooting us all in the foot.

Our Canadian brethren are risking making the same mistake...for the same kind of reasons. Canucks, if you don't want to experience what we have had to here, tell your rabble-rousers to chill...before they torpedo your chances.

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Comment #27 posted by mayan on April 23, 2002 at 23:21:40 PT
Today Show...
Ed Thompson, the Libertarian Party candidate for Governor of Wisconsin will be appearing today(Weds.)on NBC's Today Show.It begins at 7:40 A.M.(all time zones)

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Comment #26 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 22:46:13 PT
qqqq
You're so sweet. I will do my best not to change. I've changed so much in my life that I don't think I can change anymore. It's not that I've arrived at some great point of wisdom. I'm just to old and tired to change. I really am tired tonight. I might call it quits and get a little rest. I'll look a little longer for another article and if I can't find any I'll be back at it in the morning.

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Comment #25 posted by qqqq on April 23, 2002 at 22:34:18 PT
....FoM....
...it's all rather confusing,,,,but the fact remains,,that you are the Best!......Please dont change!

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Comment #24 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 22:23:49 PT
qqqq
The only problem I have is I didn't understand it but I don't understand many things. If it took a while for me to delete your post it was because I could barely move around C News almost all day and now I am getting around better. If I don't jump in and respond as often that is why. When I get my satellite I won't be missing much. A few more weeks and then I will really enjoy reading etc. I'm very excited about being able to do more then I can now. I like working but don't like sitting and waiting for every page to load.

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Comment #23 posted by qqqq on April 23, 2002 at 22:08:10 PT
the previous poem,,
..was an attempted esoteric off topic cultural enhancement item,,,strictly for enjoyment purposes...If you did not find it enjoyable,,then I suggest that you post something that is more enjoyable!.......however,,if you found that this poem tickled the fronds in the flora and fauna of the inner pleasure receptor zones of your mind!,,, then feel; free to let me know.......................In other words,,,if you liked it,,,that's good....If you didnt like it,,,then let's argue!.....If you think it's useless cheap irrelevant careless fun that detracts from the seriousness of actual reality,,,,well,,I guess I'll have to apologize for trying to spread about my own brand of sloppy happiness,and encouraged perceptions!..........
..Anyone who has enough to eat,,and a place to live,,should be really happy! I am not 'Stoned',,and no one needs to be stoned,to remain happy....but if you are not free to choose what you want to do with yourself?,,then you should try and escape reality with the amazing power of your MIND!!!...
..Your Mind,,can be like a Ferrari on Viagra,,,but you better have fun doing what you can with your mind,,,because it will be no longer legal soon..........I now realize,,,that I do not like,"not having fun",,so,,I decided to try and have the most fun I can......and my plan worked!...I can pretend to be happier than alot of other people actually are,,,and ya know why????.....ya wanna know why??...,,,,well,I might tell ya later ,, but for right now , ,,,try and stay happy in whatever way you can!...I dont care how fucked things may seem,,things could always be fucked,,,and your lifetime will never happen again!.. once it's over,,that's it!,, so don't make the mistake of spending your life drowning in tears....find a way to be happy!,,,....I am a bitter old pessimistic doomsayer,,but I dont let it get in the way of having fun.........I have learned not to let my bitter despondent knowledge of how bad things really are ,,overpower the fun of senseless blind hopeful happiness!!!.. It's kinda like my mind is in a controlled state of shock!.......................

............OK,,,now I'm gonna dare to tread into dangerous areas of deep ramblings, ,,I'm gonna talk about "suicide bombers".....What the fuck is a "suicide bomber"???..it seems to me,,that it is just a bomb that has a person attached to it.....I mean,,let's think about this "suicide bomb" label for a minute!.. if we are to use this system of labels,,with the term "suicide Bomb",,then what should we call one of them 'Daisy Cutters',that splatter the guts of innocents???..If we are to have a term "suicide bombers",,,then we need to have some terms for other types of bombers......... ,,like,;"Accidentaltal Canadian Killing Bombers",,,or,,"Women and children collateral damage bombers".........Why dont all bombers have labels????...."American taxpayer funded Super Blaster Missle fired from Apache helicopter bomber"...
....I guess we're gonna have to decide what bombs will be labelled with,,and then we can outlaw "terrorist" bombs,,but allow the "non-terrorist" bombs...because some bombs are good!,,other bombs are bad... I've said way more than I should.....


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Comment #22 posted by Sam Adams on April 23, 2002 at 20:30:09 PT
the 70's
Well, here is what I understand to be the short version of what happened in the 70's. In the mid to late 70's, about 10 or 11 states decriminalized possession, and everyone thought legalization was just around the corner.

President Jimmy Carter said in a speech that, regarding MJ laws, the punishment was worse than the crime, and that MJ should be decriminalized for personal use. (imagine, politically, how far we are from there now).

Then, things quickly went downhill. Apparently, Pres. Carter's drug policy guy (sort of like the drug czar, but back then, it actually was a scientific sort of thing, not militaristic enforcement) went to a NORML party, and did some coke with some people there, and it was leaked to the media and they had a field day with it. Carter fired the guy and quickly backpedaled from reform talk, in light of the scandal and the upcoming election. A year or two later, the Reagan revolution was underway. The window of opportunity slammed shut for 20 years. The economy turned around, we kicked some ass in Grenada, and everyone loved Reagan so much that they even elected his airhead VP, Bush Sr.

Anyone else with more info or more accurate info jump in....I'd was only a kid then so I'd love to hear a firsthand account of what happened.

There is encouragement here, as well. The pendulum swings both ways. I personally think that it was Nixon that gave us Carter, and I think Bush will have a similar effect. People will vote more progressive in the next election because he's gone too far.

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Comment #21 posted by qqqq on April 23, 2002 at 19:31:10 PT
wow FoM...You're still the Best!
hey garland i dig your tweed coat
i'll trade you a domino this size
mothballs scented
the woman silk nude tie
painting his chest
one celluloid stay, exposed through his nibbled collar
feet speckled the sidewalk
faces gurgled through windows
passing cars gum rubber streaks
neon plants swim like green seaweed to a deep rhythm of blues
red thyroid sunsets
flame and speckled chemistry
pipes run off dark tubes
erase into marks that pour the dye of darkness
crystal comes together as silent as ink
i don't think i could let it go, i got it at the religious scene
teeth let go
tobacco juice
an oiled balloon
brown eye in an egg whit
black tar bubbles in stripes
a straw hat squeaked on the brim of a feather
newsprint thumbed through nicotine fingers
a dark olive was turned on
its small pulp speaker, burst into a scream
one large tomato was immediately peeled skin red
it bled into a red 'o' and smacked behind accepted fangs
quick eyebrows danced cutely above a mole
the front was smooth
it gradually gathered and wrinkled at the holes
a dark wooden moustache deposited below above chinese red varnished lips
that dented slightly into the evening
'it's gotten quite cold - i've decided i can't sell you my coat'
honking the wind puffed into the clumps above the lattice rows
and out looked panatella
naked and not ashamed
without no clothes wiggle pig went snout first into a tree
the rubber turkey was gobbled up by night's dark rubber mouth
a white phosphorous raindrop dropped in the sky
hot silhouettes in a convertible
gave this a applause
and several white porcelain trays were rolled in by bumble bees
their wings arranged with pictures out of the past
and the rainbow baboon gobbled fifteen fisheyes with each spoon
pockets was caught at window level
approaching the fractured glass dripping in light he spoke
i just looked at myself
and from here to there it ain't far enough
but from here to there
it's too short
and circles don't fly, they float
pena exclaimed
and went on to say
'sun shore did shine this year
who'd you look like underneath?'

don van vliet 1970

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Comment #20 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 18:24:00 PT
A Budding Bureaucracy - Montreal Gazette
Montreal Gazette
Tuesday, April 23, 2002
Copyright 2002 Montreal Gazette

Why are we not surprised that the distribution of medicinal marijuana, meticulously and expensively grown down in a disused mine in Manitoba at taxpayers' expense, has become mired in bureaucratic paper-shuffling?

The medicinal-marijuana program had been pushed ahead hard by Allan Rock, when he was health minister. As a result, the Canadian government now owns 250 kilograms of primo bud, currently stored in bales in a climate-controlled warehouse guarded by the RCMP, at your expense.

What happened to the program is what should have happened originally - medical experts were asked their opinion. Mr. Rock's custom-grown Manitoba Gold hasn't undergone the tests every other therapeutic drug must pass, and so Canada's major doctors' groups have advised their members to have nothing to do with prescriptions for the stuff. And there's a hint that Anne McLellan, the new health minister, is less than enthusiastic.

There's a powerful metaphor here, and a lesson about how government works, or doesn't work, all too often: this affair combined benign intentions, a chance to do well (in the Liberal leadership race) by "doing good"; too little forethought; and eagerness for a good photo op. The result is inertia, confusion, disappointment for the 800 poor souls who were promised good dope legally and now can't get it - and, of course, tax money poured down a mine shaft.

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Comment #19 posted by mayan on April 23, 2002 at 18:02:09 PT
Risks?
"We're not in the business of taking risks."

A dying person is willing to take risks. After all, what have they got to lose? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!

Some unrelated news:

Bush Aide to Leave White House(It must be her fault the Shrub's approval rating is falling!): http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/hughes.resigning/index.html

Venezuelan Legislator says U.S. Involved in Coup: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=8&u=/nm/20020423/pl_nm/venezuela_usa_dc_19

Police Shield Argentine Congress From Public Fury: http://rense.com/general24/from.htm

Argentine Economic Minister Quits: http://rense.com/general24/probe.htm

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Comment #18 posted by goneposthole on April 23, 2002 at 17:13:14 PT
Argot
The prohibitionists are to blame for all of this insanity about cannabis. Their inflated egos are bigger than hot air balloons. (Joyce, Bill, Barry etc.)

Anyway, cannabis is an herb, not a drug.

marijuana, ganja, cannabis, reefer, pot, cheeba, smoke, medicine are all acceptable words when referring to cannabis sativa.

The Canadian government is afraid of a plant. It won't harm, and there is nothing to fear.

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Comment #17 posted by qqqq on April 23, 2002 at 17:12:46 PT
...oh well..
..I wont re-post it,,although it does lose alot in being run together...If you are there FoM,,and you wouldnt mind deleting it,,then I will re-do it with line breaks....If not,,,no biggie,.

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Comment #15 posted by dddd on April 23, 2002 at 16:18:23 PT
....from the 4d peanut gallery...
..I think masscrusader is quite corect in saying;"be aware".,,......then ,,I like how Kap suggested we find out 'exactly' what happened.
...Sam Adams is really good.."we'll never know"...I must agree...I think the Canadian medical Marijuana thing is going to become a strange shell game between lawmakers and lawbreakers....It will be alot like what is happening in California...political federal law enforcement,,will of the people smokescreens,which will easily draw the whole issue down into the quagmires of questionable information,,,and somewhat well intentioned politicians,who ,,as always,, will say anything to get elected.....

...what I want to know a bit more about,,is what Professor Kap said;.."I warned our Canuck brethren that it was egos and backbiting that destroyed the US's golden chance in the 1970's for decrim. And now look.".
...?...when you get a chance,,please tell me bit more about this 70s theory Kap.......................dddd


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Comment #14 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 14:48:29 PT
What's The Prize?
Oh here I go again. I only know what I know and don't know much about how or why any organization does what it does or why. I have a conscious, selective way of not registering things I don't want to know and agendas are way up on my list. Agendas are just that, agendas. A way to plan a particular course to obtain a certain result. Agendas aren't wrong but they can get cluttered and blurred.

My question about what's the prize is what I want to know.

If a Cannabis plant could talk it would say " O you dumb people, I am what I am and no one owns me. Now get over it and let me help people. "

That's far fetched but freeing this herb is the one and only Prize and no one will be able to lay claim to being the individual who made the difference because everyone that contributes will be a winner and no one wins more then another in my opinion.

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Comment #13 posted by kaptinemo on April 23, 2002 at 14:04:40 PT:

Egos again
I warned our Canuck brethren that it was egos and backbiting that destroyed the US's golden chance in the 1970's for decrim. And now look.

For God's sake, people, can't you see what a chance you have? DON'T BLOW IT! There are too many sick people who need the parties involved to possess level heads, not inflated ones...

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Comment #12 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 13:31:26 PT
I Found This. Does It Help?
I was doing a search on C News but most of my Canadian articles are snipped so this was in a comment on an article and came up in the search tool when I typed in John Turmel.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MedPot/message/268



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Comment #11 posted by Masscrusader on April 23, 2002 at 13:25:49 PT
I Got It!
I think I understand now.. They have a dead horse(prohibition.) Who is going to take credit for such a marvel as "ending the prohibition in Canada?" Boris St. Maurice, Alan Young, John Turmel, Rock, McLellan.. They all want the credit.

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Comment #10 posted by Sam Adams on April 23, 2002 at 13:24:37 PT
we'll never know......
what happened. Did the US put the kibosh on Rock's plan? Obviously when Rock was Health commish, they decided that the existing clinical studies (of which there are many on cannabis).

Of this we can be sure: - the government just spent millions to grow the herb - every day millions of Canadian high school and college kids furiously smoke up tons of MJ - Thousands of dying people will go without herb and die more painfully

The saddest thing is that the reason the sick and dying won't get the herb seems to be the lobbying and protesting of the Canadian Medical Association. What a terrible, terrible thing to do.

Who's going to answer to wasting millions of taxpayer dollars? McClellan should be thrown in jail for theft of millions of dollars from hard-working Canadians.

If you're not Libertarian by now, give it some thought. This is what government does. Starve the beast! Cut taxes. Less govt is better.

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Comment #9 posted by MassCrusader on April 23, 2002 at 13:20:49 PT
It doesn't make sense to me either, but...
I know about the financiers from the marijuana party to George Soros. They all helped Terry some way. But why would the canadien press choose Allan Young, three days after the case was adjournbed, to interview Flion Flon's Supply? Elections?

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Comment #8 posted by masscrusader on April 23, 2002 at 13:16:37 PT
This should get you started
medpot.net

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Comment #7 posted by kaptinemo on April 23, 2002 at 13:14:21 PT:

Some facts, please
Before we in the States get too riled up about what happened, let's try to find out exactly what happened.

In the DrugSense Chat we had John Turmel giving us daily progress reports, and everything looked rosy. Then the reports stopped...as well as his appearences. Needless to say, there have been information blackouts down here with regards to the entire matter; it's just not 'news'. So before any accusations or steam develops, let's hold on a bit to see what happens...

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Comment #6 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 13:04:34 PT
masscrusader
Am I understanding that you mean that the Marijuana Party people didn't particpate in Terry Parkers case?

What is the Marijuana Party's objective?

PS: I don't have any agendas. I want what ever comes first to come first in the USA, UK or Canada. What I mean is if marijuana is legalized or if marijuana gets medical approval either one is fine with me as long as something happens. Just something that's good. That's my agenda!



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Comment #5 posted by masscrusader on April 23, 2002 at 13:02:31 PT
Quote
"I ATTENDED THE PARKER HEARING TO ENSURE THAT TURMEL'S MOTION TO INVALIDATE THE LAW WOULD NOT PROCEED." -Prof. Allan Young

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Comment #4 posted by MassCrusader on April 23, 2002 at 12:59:34 PT
Just in case anyone was wondering
I am a fan of the LETS system as well as John Turmel.

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Comment #3 posted by masscrusader on April 23, 2002 at 12:55:16 PT
Young's ulterior motives
Prof Allan young's ties to the Party. Young had the chance in court on April 17 with Terry Parker (Justice Pitt decision appeal by the crown). He did not do what this article says he was going to do. He has his ties. Why would they mention a witness (Young) in that case three days after the case was adjourned? Why was The Marijauana Party not there to cover? Its easy.. ONE- A one issue party cannot survive without its issue. TWO- People Agree with Medical MJ THREE-Politicians use this party to furthur there careers. Put them together and this media circus has a pretty good clown show but smells mostly like elephant shit.

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Comment #2 posted by FoM on April 23, 2002 at 12:35:00 PT
masscrusader
What do you mean? I'm not up on what is happening in Canada like I am in the states.

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Comment #1 posted by masscrusader on April 23, 2002 at 12:31:39 PT
Be aware
Of the obviosly corrupt "marijuana party" in Canada.

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