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  Dutch, Owensboro Fighting Drugs Differently
Posted by FoM on February 21, 2002 at 10:59:06 PT
By Mark Cooper, Messenger-Inquirer 
Source: Messenger-Inquirer 

cannabis Light up a marijuana "joint" in an Owensboro coffee shop and you're likely to get arrested. Do the same thing in the Netherlands and you're just part of the crowd, said visiting city officials from Veenendaal, a city of Owensboro's size in the Netherlands.

But while the sale of marijuana is legal in the Netherlands, their city has less drug-related crime than Owensboro, said Veenendaal Mayor Jaap Spros.

About 85 percent of Kentucky's crime is drug-related, compare to less than 50 percent in the Netherlands, Spros said.

Fighting crime is just one of the things Spros, Veenendaal Police Chief Dick de Leeuw and Public Security Policymaker Ruud Engelaar have spent the last few days in Owensboro to explore.

The three Dutch visitors, who arrived in Owensboro on Friday, have met with Owensboro Mayor Waymond Morris, Police Chief Allen Dixon and other city, county and state police officers. They also spent a day in Louisville and Frankfort.

While here, the three toured Owensboro government offices, visited the Daviess County Detention Center and Owensboro Police Department firing range and even rode along with Daviess County sheriff's deputies.

The visit is sponsored by the Owensboro Sister Cities Program. Veenendaal is a "twin city" of Olomouc in the Czech Republic, which is Owensboro's Sister City, said Bill West, executive director of the Sister Cities Program.

Morris visited Veenendaal on the way home from a visit to Olomouc in 1997, West said. Olomouc has five sister cities.

Spros said the Dutch delegation has so far been impressed with the level of cooperation demonstrated between so many police agencies in Kentucky.

"We're very interested in (law enforcement) on the local level and how it's organized and how the public can impact policing," Spros said.

Both Veenendaal and Owensboro share a healthy concern for emergency and crisis management, Spros said.

And the three were surprised to see that the entire city is governed by a commission of a mayor and four commissioners, Spros said. Veenendaal has a parliament of 31 leaders from seven political parties, he said.

"We went into the (Owensboro) commissioner's meeting and thought, 'Where is the parliament?' " Spros said.

"It was also a surprise, an eye-opener to learn about the weapons," de Leeuw said, referring to the Kentucky laws that allow residents to buy and carry weapons. Only hunting weapons are allowed in the Netherlands. Dutch police officers do not carry guns.

Marijuana is classified as a "soft drug" in the Netherlands, which means it is legal, but its use is regulated by the government, de Leeuw said. Marijuana can be purchased and smoked in public "coffee shops," but only 5 grams can be purchased a day, he said.

A business can have no more than 500 grams of the drug on hand to sell at one time, de Leeuw said.

Surprisingly, there are only one or two drug-related deaths a year, de Leeuw said. Most crime in Veenendaal is related to alcohol, which is also legal, he said.

Because soft drugs are legal, police forces can concentrate on fighting hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, de Leeuw said. A system of separating hard drugs from soft drugs might benefit Owensboro and U.S. law enforcement in the same way, de Leeuw said.

Legalizing marijuana is an odd notion to most in Owensboro, but there's nothing wrong with exchanging ideas, West said.

"That's why I push this program, to get a different perspective on things," West said. "No one people has a lock on all knowledge."

The visitors attended a farewell dinner Wednesday night and will return to Veenendaal today..

Source: Messenger-Inquirer (KY)
Author: Mark Cooper, Messenger-Inquirer
Published: February 21, 2002
Copyright: 2002 Messenger-Inquirer
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Comment #8 posted by Toker00 on February 22, 2002 at 11:52:40 PT
Idea Sharing.
I believe the Americans have far more to learn from the Netherlands, than vice versa.

Peace. Realize, then Legalize.

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Comment #7 posted by goneposthole on February 22, 2002 at 05:45:36 PT
most crime related to alcohol
It is no wonder why.

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Comment #6 posted by DdC on February 21, 2002 at 12:54:54 PT
Legalize It! Homegrown Is an Economic Stimulus
Indian Hemp Drugs Commission, 1894
"The commission has come to the conclusion that the moderate use of hemp drugs is practically attended by no evil results at all. ... ...moderate use of hemp... appears to cause no appreciable physical injury of any kind,... no injurious effects on the mind... [and] no moral injury whatever."

VCL- Lawyers and Judges against the drug war
http://vcl.org/

LaGuardia Commission Report, 1944
"Cannabis smoking] does not lead directly to mental or physical deterioration... Those who have consumed marijuana for a period of years showed no mental or physical deterioration which may be attributed to the drug."

Cops Against The Drug War
http://drcnet.org/cops/

Hemp History in Audubon
http://www.hempembargo.com/_disc6/0000004d.htm

1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT
"Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor's Committee (1944 - LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects" "the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable"

The War on Drugs is Necessitating War on Terrorism
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread11104.shtml

The Report of the Australian Government 1996
"The ... major possible adverse effects of chronic, heavy cannabis use ... remain to be confirmed" "The major health and psychological effects of chronic cannabis use, especially daily use over many years, remain uncertain" "As has been stressed ... there is uncertainty. ......To varying degrees....inferences from animal research, laboratory studies, and clinical observations about probable ill effects. In some cases inferences depend upon arguments from what is known about the adverse effects of other drugs, such as tobacco and alcohol" "... "flashback experiences" ...have been rarely reported by cannabis users... have typically used other hallucinogenic drugs" "The probable and possible adverse health and psychological effects of cannabis need to be placed in comparative perspective to be fully appreciated".

Casual Drug Use Does Not Affect Employment
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread11111.shtml

Researchers at the University of California (UCLA)
School of Medicine have announced the results of an 8 - year study into the effects of long-term cannabis smoking on the lungs. In Volume 155 of the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, Dr. D.P. Tashkin reported: "Findings from the present long-term, follow-up study of heavy, habitual marijuana smokers argue against the concept that continuing heavy use of marijuana is a significant risk factor for the development of [chronic lung disease. ..Neither the continuing nor the intermittent marijuana smokers exhibited any significantly different rates of decline in [lung function]<%quot;> as compared with those individuals who never smoked marijuana. Researchers added: "No differences were noted between even quite heavy marijuana smoking and non-smoking of marijuana."

The Dope On Hemp History
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See Also: Proven : Cannabis is a safe medicine by Ian Williams Goddard
CANNABIS DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER
BOSTON, Jan. 30, 1997 (UPI) -
The U.S. federal government has failed to make public its own 1994 study that undercuts its position that marijuana is carcinogenic - a $2 million study by the National Toxicology Program. The program's deputy director, John Bucher, says the study "found absolutely no evidence of cancer." In fact, animals that received THC had fewer cancers. Bucher denies his agency had been pressured to shelve the report, saying the delay in making it public was due to a personnel shortage.

Drug War Prisoners
http://www.drugwarprisoners.org/main.htm

"Marijuana: Facts for Teens." U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Washington, D.C. 1995, p.10.
"Most marijuana users do not go on to use other drugs."

Audubon Society: Legalize It!
http://magazine.audubon.org/incite/incite9911.html

Crancer Study, Washington Department of Motor Vehicles
"Simulated driving scores for subjects experiencing a normal social "high" and the same subjects under control conditions are not significantly different. However, there are significantly more errors for alcohol intoxicated than for control subjects"

Hemp History in Audubon
http://www.hempembargo.com/_disc6/0000004d.htm

Volney Brown Jr., Federal Magistrate-Judge,(retired)
Los Angeles. At the DPF Conference, November 1996:
"There is only one thing wrong with drug law enforcement, just one - it doesn't work. And when I tell you this I want you to believe me because I have done it"


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Comment #5 posted by Jose Melendez on February 21, 2002 at 12:49:50 PT:

what if YOUR drugs were illegal?
from:
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n302/a07.html?397

When Mormons shrink in horror from Starbucks but pop Paxil like Pez, they're indulging the same kind of mystification that decides U.S. drug law. Or, for that matter, that can lead pot smokers who say they self-medicate to denounce those "drones" on artificial anti-depressants.

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Comment #4 posted by E_Johnson on February 21, 2002 at 12:46:58 PT
AskCNN about Bill Bennett
Does the appointment of Bill Bennett as Drug War correspondent mean that CNN is abandoning any pretense of journalistic objectivity in coverage of the War on Drugs?

Expert to ask: Columbia Journalism Review

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/askcnn/



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Comment #3 posted by JR Bob Dobbs on February 21, 2002 at 12:41:29 PT
Hooray for the Dutch!
There need to be more Dutch people spreading the word of common sense worldwide. For too long, they have tried to lead by example alone, but without media attention, how could they succeed? There needs to be more Dutch people taking the message worldwide, and more U.S. politicians need to learn about the Dutch coffeeshop system. Information is power!

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Comment #2 posted by Sam Adams on February 21, 2002 at 11:27:19 PT
good question
"And the three were surprised to see that the entire city is governed by a commission of a mayor and four commissioners, Spros said. Veenendaal has a parliament of 31 leaders from seven political parties, he said.

"We went into the (Owensboro) commissioner's meeting and thought, 'Where is the parliament?' " Spros said."

I think he means, "where's the democracy"? I don't know - somehow it died between 1776 and now.

seven parties? how about one in the U.S. - Republicats.

I was trying to explain to someone recently how we're the most similar to Russia, politically and culturally. The most violent crime, people in prison, militaristic national attitude, substance abuse, etc, etc, etc. A lot closer to Russia than Western Europe IMO.

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Comment #1 posted by E_Johnson on February 21, 2002 at 11:06:10 PT
Thanks heavens for non-mega-merger-media
Legalizing marijuana is an odd notion to most in Owensboro, but there's nothing wrong with exchanging ideas, West said.

Check with CNN, I think their new drug war correspondent Bill Bennett would heartily disagree.

The visit is sponsored by the Owensboro Sister Cities Program. Veenendaal is a "twin city" of Olomouc in the Czech Republic, which is Owensboro's Sister City, said Bill West, executive director of the Sister Cities Program.

This is an interesting application of the feminist slogan "Sisterhood is powerful!"



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