Going rate in my area is 350-400 an oz..

Gotta grow more..

I helped a friend of mine who got med-pot card set up his grow room. The four white shark and the two hashplants are blooming. I felt good helpin a friend in need.

take care

Sorry. I did not mean to lecture you or in any way imply, infer or intimate that your knowledge of cannibinoids or any use you make of that knowledge to meet your medical needs is at all lacking. I agree with you 100% about how each person has to find their own medical MJ "regimen" (my vocabulary being insufficient at the moment and thus unable to supply a better term). In fact, I wish politicians and some researchers and clinicians would trust people a little better in providing access to any and all meds that an individual patient finds to help his or her situation.

My main concern was that someone like our "friend" Joyce would see such a post as yours and fit it into the old "they have a pill already" argument (id este, that old "they must be for kids smoking pot because they already have a 'pot pill' and if that's not good enough for them we can add some more 'dope ingredients' to the pill lest these pesky ill folks complain more") by arguing that medi-pot is not needed because pain and spasticity could be controlled by the "pot pill" we already have just by adding some CBD to the pill.

I sincerely regret you took offense at the post or took it as an admonition directed at you and that is my fault for titling it the way I did. On the other hand, I am very glad I got to read your second post because it's caused me to evaluate how I might more effectively employ this herb. Inhaling provides me with excellent relief from nausea but not pain, as I have lamented here and elsewhere; narcotics have nasty side effects, for me at least.

I am now wondering whether eating the stuff or drinking it in tea would provide more pain relief, especially since my pain is abdominal, digestive pain from a volcanic pancreas that refuses to die completely. Of course, oral use would mean I would need to be able to locate, purchase, & afford more magical herb. In my area, good stuff is hard to find (last time I had to re-supply, I could only find super-high potency stuff) and prohibitively expensive ($650 oz. this last time, well above the usual rate).

At least now, though, I can begin the process of finding some lower cost herb to experiment with p.o. and maybe keep handy in case I get the "queasies" in a public place where I can't find an airtight or quiet, unnoticed and unpoliced spot to inhale.

Again, my apologies for not thinking out my title and my thanks for expanding my view of how I might get even more benefit from this herb. I hope this finds you well:)

El

Then, click the link under GW plc Preliminary Results for an audio webcast. The "Clinical Update" is of the most interest. This indicates that by September 20, 2001, the company had information on 80 patient-years of use of CMBE (cannabis-based medicine extracts). These produced marked symptom improvement in MS, pain, urinary problems, sleep, etc. Side-effects were minimal. Patients, once stabilized, did not need dosage escalations. Patients are using whole cannabis extracts that include the flavonoids and terpenoids. These emphasize THC or CBD content, or combine the two. These studies go a long way to explaining how cannabis is a much better medicine than oral THC alone (Marinol). This material works very well in patients who have failed all conventional treatments. Cannabis is medicine. Show this data to all who will listen.

A personal note: I have been sparse in my postings of late, but have been lurking in the background. Please rest assured that I am working feverishly on various cannabis-related projects, but have to budget my time more than ever. I will be watching, but only post from time to time. I hope you will all continue your activism.

I eat marijuana cookies, because there is a benefit to eating for me that smoking doesn't give. I have had chronic bladder irritation since 1991. ONLY eating cannabinoids will help this, smoking does not do much.

Marinol actually works fairly well for this but marijuana cookies with both THc and CBD works far far better.

The self-itration is not "critical" for my bladder usage because that is a chronic problem, it builds up over time and it is perfectly fine to treat it with something administered through eating.

Also eating works better for fibromyalgia than smoking does.

In my experience.

I have my own best dose figured out. The only adjustments I need to make in the form of "self-titration" are to increase by one cookie a day if I am under extra stress.

I seem to be able to feel that well enough to know when I need one extra cookie.

Please I do not need to be instructed into the Party Line here.

My original comments stand. They could add CBD to THC in marinol and it would probably work fine for the uses where eating is actually better than smoking.

For bladder inflammation or pain or tension or spasm -- eating a marijuana cookie with a cup of tea and a glass of water brings relief in about 15 minutes.

I have personal experience in how smoking just doesn't do it for this use.

It would not work well, IMHO, EJ, as the pill form of THC, CBD, or any other compound, will not allow the patient to "self-titrate" -- to ingest just enough to quell the nausea and pain and help the outlook without getting totally "stoned" and unproductive. Only smoking it or a vaporizer or an extract like Dr. Guy is researching in the UK (i.e., a mode of administration that bypasses the gut) will allow for this critical self-titration.

If I took Marinol by mouth like this guy, I would be so zoned I could not be active enough to care for myself, let alone be activist for MJ law reform. Hey, ya' think maybe that's why this high THC content pill is Schedule III (so loosely regulated it can phoned into the pharmacy, unlike my tightly controlled pain meds), while the plant it naturally comes from is Schedule I, no legitimate medical use?

That is weird that the more concentrated pill form that contains more THC (which ONDCP says makes it unsafe and "not you father's pot" because it is more "potent" than schwag of old) is Schedule III and thus by definition has a medical use, while the plant from which THC comes in lower concentrations, is listed as Schedule I, with no medical use. They use word games and cheap semantics to confuse folks and it's pissin' me off (and scaring me, esp. after what the Feds did last week is Calif.):(

Pax vobiscum,

El

Does anyone have any thoughts on WHY this man had to choose between what the author implies are mutually exclusive options? AS far as I can tell, the article makes no attempt to flesh this out.

Any thoughts?

(Reason I ask is I am in this guy's shoes somewhat -- terrible pain and nausea from pancreatitis for which I get Rx opiates (due to hysteria, will not mention brand names), which help with the pain but make the nausea worse, but the docs have a fit and threaten to cut off my pain meds if they "find MJ" in my system (they won't look to hard I think), yet MJ helps so much with appetite and nausea, the thought of going without both is unpalatable. If only MJ would work like opiates on pain!

I do have some thoughts about the fear folks like me have that we could lose one or both of our needed meds if we get too loud about this -- notwithstanding the truism that a good activist is a loud one -- yet we feel powerless unless we do speak out. The prohibitionist pols have created the worst oppression by using the legal leverage they have over our docs, who need the pols permission to write pain meds, to intimidate the docs from advocating real reform like MJ re-scheduling.

Peace all:)

It is a medicinal herb, and it just happens to have receational value, too. Those two values were discovered many eons ago. Sorry prohibitionists, berate and belittle all you can and all you want, you will never be able to change or alter its presence as a useful medicine and a natural substance useful for recreation. Put that in your noosphere, your brain matter can handle it.

There is nothing wrong or inconsistent if it is used for both purposes.

"I tried that and it was pretty amazing," Krawitz said. "All of a sudden. I wasn't nauseous and the pain was gone. There was a change in my spirit: It changed my outlook completely and my motivation increased. I looked forward to everyday."<

Is this what you call 'anecdotal evidence'?

How about all of the 'scientific studies' that are conducted to attempt to determine if marijuana has any medicinal value, do the 'scientists' seek anecdotal evidence when reporting 'impirical data'? If not, why not?

These 'studies' remind me of the movie "THE JERK." The scene where Navin R. Johnson is a carnival worker barking at carnival goers to have their age guessed and the like comes to mind. When he incorrectly guessed your age, you were given the choice of any prize on two shelves of cheap items. Any of the prizes of any worth were not available as a choice.

The same is true of 'studies' conducted on the 'medicinal value' of marijuana. Any study that proves marijuana's medicinal value is berated and belittled in an effort to 'cheapen' it's worth. It's value has no worth. Whereas, the government sanctioned 'studies' which 'prove' that marijuana has 'no' medicinal value are of 'enormous' value. Truth is, not the least expensive, but the cheapest prize on the shelves. That's what they are.

The true studies that do prove that marijuana does have medicinal value remain on the shelves unavailable for anyone to 'have'. The same is true of marijuana, it is the prize of the most value standing on one of the shelves from which no one can choose.

Why can't the makers of Marinol just include some CBD in the formula? I just don't understand that at all.

Marijuana prohibition is so completely irrational. THC is supposed to be the Evil Molecule, so evil we can't risk eating a hemp seed now.

But then they go ahead and make Marinol out of pure THC, and treat the CBD like it does nothing because it's "not psychoactive".

Well it IS psychoactive in the sense that it has a nice modulating effect on the way the THC acts in the brain.

This whole system is bass-ackwards.

We can't have cannabis because it has THC, but really the thing that makes cannabis different from Marinol is that the THC comes with competing cannabinoids that modulate the so-called "high" and make it less disorienting and less mind-altering.