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Posted by FoM on September 23, 2001 at 07:25:35 PT By Massimo Calabresi and Sally Donnelly Source: Time Magazine 
U.S. law enforcement officials have found a manual on the operation of cropdusting equipment while searching suspected terrorist hideouts, government sources tell TIME magazine in an issue out on Monday, Sept. 24th. The discovery has added to concerns among government counterterrorism experts that the bin Laden conspirators may have been planning — or may still be planning —to disperse biological or chemical agents from a cropdusting plane normally used for agricultural purposes. Among the belongings of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, sources tell TIME, were manuals showing how to operate cropdusting equipment that could be used to spray fast-killing toxins into the air. The discovery resulted in the grounding of all cropdusters nationwide on Sunday Sept. 16th. The dusters have been allowed back up, but are not allowed to take off or land from what traffic controllers refer to as Class B airspace, or the skies around major cities. One senior official cautions that because corroborative evidence is lacking the FBI does not place "high credibility" in the notion that the hijackers were in fact exploring the idea of stealing or renting cropdusters. However, the FBI is advising members of a crop-dusters' group to report any suspicious buys of dangerous chemicals in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks. Last week, the National Agricultural Aviation Association, a crop dusters trade group, posted a message from the FBI to its membership: "Members should be vigilant to any suspicious activity relative to the use, training in or acquisition of dangerous chemicals or airborne application of same including threats, unusual purchases, suspicious behavior by employees or customers, and unusual contacts with the public. Members should report any suspicious circumstances or information to local FBI offices." Sources tell TIME that U.S. officials suspect that bin Laden conspirators may have been planning to disperse biological or chemical agents from cropdusting planes. Complete Title: TIME Exclusive: Cropduster Manual Discovered in Suspected Terrorist Hideout —With reporting by Elaine Shannon/Washington Source: Time Magazine (US) Related Articles & Web Site: Holy Warriors Escalate an Old War In War on Terrorism, Unseen Fronts May Be Crucial FBI Tracking Terrorist Groups Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
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| Comment #17 posted by i420 on September 25, 2001 at 06:04:03 PT |
| well it was a very tough decision but actually worthless because in my state it always votes republican. I had heard Bush was for States rights to medical mj so I ended up throwing away my vote on him. So much for our states rights haven't heard anything about H.R. 1344 in the news lately matter of fact if never.
I too have been spreading the word to friends to vote. I think there will be a question on our ballot asking if we think referendums should be allowed to modify the state constitution.
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| Comment #16 posted by Silent_Observer on September 25, 2001 at 04:20:23 PT |
| but, I think your first comment touched a nerve. I do agree that there is (was?) an overwhelming sense of apathy with the public in general (considering roughly 49% of the eligible population voted), so in some ways, we get what we pay for. I have been on my soapbox here for some time, trying to get people to actually go and vote the next time. Need;ess to say, the people who read this board are mostly likely very active voters, but hopefully the message will spread beyond just this forum. You said you voted a mixed ticket; might one inquire as to who your Presidential choice was? [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #15 posted by i420 on September 24, 2001 at 19:34:17 PT |
| If I offended anyone here I apologize sometimes it takes saying something bold to get people to stand up and listen. Our government has been wasting our taxdollars for many years waging a war on us while these types of elements are waltzing right into our homes.
I said maybe 10 years ago... America is the melting pot of the world that is beginning to boil and one day it will explode in our faces. They never printed it in our newspaper but it sure did come true. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #14 posted by i420 on September 24, 2001 at 19:28:29 PT |
| I vote for the best person for the position. Which leaves me voting a very mixed ballot when in doubt I definatly vote libetarian or independant. I tell my friends why they shouldn't vote a straight ticket.
As for the reap thing on the radio the same day of the attack they said it was because we have violated human rights around the globe and that was exactly what was being addressed in the U.N. conference just the other week.
My comment was not exactly at the people here it is the people who go about their lives not giving a crap about what is happening until it slaps them in the face. We have known for more than 2 decades this was coming. Some of our teachers in high school even said it would happen.
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| Comment #13 posted by Silent_Observer on September 24, 2001 at 16:39:08 PT |
| Its not "like that" at all. I don't know how many people in the WTC sowed what they reaped. Understand that the people who sowed are not reaping the ill effects - if anything, they're gaining notoriety and most likely materially. So before you throw out rash comments - particularly in this forum - do a little intelligent thinking. As to your "for the people, by the people" comment, who did you vote for? If you say either Bush or Gore, I'd say you're part of the problem. If you voted independent, then good for you. You now need to motivate the rest of the country to a) show up and vote, and b) vote their conscience; and not back a winning horse. These are the constructive ways to resolve this issue. Platitudes such as "reap what you sow" are childish and stoop to the level of the perpetrator of these crimes. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #12 posted by i420 on September 24, 2001 at 15:34:44 PT |
| My comment may have been in "poor taste" observer but it's like that and that is the way it is. Unfortunatly I am right here with you all smack dab in the middle of this place that use to be OUR country. It is not "we the people for the people by the people" now it's "we the gov't for the gov't by the gov't" How many times has our gov't LIED to us, ignored US? At times our gov't has even done stuff to OUR own citizens without our consent. Remember when they released chemical agents right in our own country on our own citizen's ??? If every nation has it's warts well it seems America's has become "cancerous". [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #11 posted by kaptinemo on September 24, 2001 at 06:13:39 PT:
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| But at least the Americans here don't seek to hide them, or paper them over with platitudes. Or try to ride on a non-existant moral high horse. Care to tell us where you hail from, hmmm? [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #10 posted by Silent_Observer on September 24, 2001 at 05:53:43 PT |
| I think this is in poor taste. As much I, or anyone else here, might disagree with government policies, I think we all agree that the type of comment you have made is not going to be helpful in resolving the issue. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #9 posted by i420 on September 24, 2001 at 05:38:07 PT |
| If I could ask the American people one question it would be... "how does it feel to reap what you sow?" [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #8 posted by freedom fighter on September 23, 2001 at 13:37:52 PT |
| Dear editors; How ironic that americans are now quaking in fear of biologicial attacks from the terrorists. For, we, the people of America have been doing this to people of Colombia and Burma and god know who else. And we wondered why terrorists are so hateful. Yours ff [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #7 posted by The GCW on September 23, 2001 at 10:08:16 PT |
| That site puts into perspective how America has been ingaged in bioterrorist war, in the war on drugs, in other countries, like Columbia, with the art of killing plants, and anything else in the way, of any inkling of America. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #6 posted by E_Johnson on September 23, 2001 at 09:44:43 PT |
| Modern life with its universalism and gigantism leaves us more vulnerable to large scale attacks. Why do we dust crops? Because it's the big modern efficient technololgical solution to the normal biological competition between plants and the part of the natural world that feed from them. Our modern entries in this competition leave us in a state of vulnerability to their perversion. Crop dusting can spread BW or CW. Genetically modified crops also open up new avenues of exploitation for the maleficient. It's a good time to start buying organic, I think. Just let me know if they find a terrorist with traces of compost in his luggage. [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #5 posted by puff_tuff on September 23, 2001 at 09:10:23 PT:
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| Biological Warfare in the Name of America's Children For more than three years the US has menaced other countries with the threat of biological attack. Not just any countries. We've mainly harassed two of the world's terrorism hotspots: Afghanistan and Colombia. The ostensible US motive is to prevent American kids from becoming drug addicts by using biological weapons on Third World countries that produce the drugs we buy and then snort, inject, and smoke. In Afghanistan the target is opium poppy, source of heroin. Our weapon is a dangerous fungus developed by a perverse alliance of militaristic US drug warriors and ex-Soviet bioweapons researchers who previously dedicated themselves to developing pathogens to destroy US food supplies. The legal pretext includes attempts to gain the "approval" of the Afghan government in exile (in Pakistan), a bitter enemy of the Taliban that has no de facto power. The environmental and human effects of use of these fungi could be devastating. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #4 posted by The GCW on September 23, 2001 at 08:28:05 PT |
| I located some media reports on the dust cloud activity: Boulder scientists analyze China dust cloud, http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,53%257E24391,00.html dated: Friday, April 20, 2001. Deja dust: Asia sends 2nd cloud, http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,53%257E25946,00.html dated: Wednesday, April 25, 2001. For those who witnessed this for perhaps over a week, it was erie. [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #3 posted by dddd on September 23, 2001 at 08:21:42 PT |
| ..and I seriously,,highly recommend it,,,,,but I dont know when I'll be able to do it...It's kinda like you gotta make a decision,,,between toying with fate,and staying in the big city,,source of ones meager livelyhood, friends,family,,,,,,,,,,,or "runnin' for the hills",to avoid chemo/bio death............. I gotta admit,,I do kinda like the idea of being alive to scavenge thru the frozen in time metropolis areas , I hope that doesnt sound sick,,,,,and when you think about it,,,it might not be as good to be not dead,,or not quite dead,,,,in a world where everyone else was dead.......Ya might start feeling left out.dddd [ Post Comment ] |
| Comment #2 posted by The GCW on September 23, 2001 at 08:17:33 PT |
| A few months ago, for days, we had hazy skies in the mountainous areas, that was later reported to being dust from China... It was strange, and it lasted long enough to be on everyones mind. The implication is that something severe enough may be put into the atmosphere from affar... Another wierd thing is that there were people around that actually did not notice it at all! To others it was incredibly obvious. It seemed to only be visible to those who also notice reality, as opposed to those who will not see reality, even if it takes away their breath. Toward the end of the highly visible ordeal... the media did report on it, yet innitially, was oblivious to it. It is fair to say, that it is still there, just less highly visible. [ Post Comment ] |
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Comment #1 posted by kaptinemo on September 23, 2001 at 07:48:39 PT:
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| I've written here before of the dangers posed by chemical and bio-warfare agents in the hands of unstable people. Bad enough governments have them; now, private groups do, too. I keep saying it: stay out of major metropolitan areas...and keep an eye out on the weather. Which direction the winds are blowing, and how fast. Especially at times of dawn and susk, when temperature inversions take place, and the lower atmosphere is still enough that an attack would have the greatest impact. Ignorance isn't bliss, it's death. And keep something in mind: RoundUp is just a watered down version of what these thugs might have. That's why the campesinos in Colombia were getting sick after being sprayed with what is in effect watered-down nerve gas. The real stuff is orders of magnitude worse. [ Post Comment ] |
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