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  Colombia Guerrillas Blast U.S. 'Intervention'
Posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 14:43:26 PT
By Jared Kotler, Associated Press Writer 
Source: Associated Press  

justice Colombia's top rebel chieftain accused the United States on Monday of meddling with his country's internal affairs by sending "hundreds of military advisers and mercenaries."

Manuel Marulanda, head of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, also warned that peace talks with the government will collapse if President Andres Pastrana forces the FARC to give up a Switzerland-sized safe haven he ceded to the rebels in southern Colombia.

Marulanda, in a letter posted on the FARC's Internet site, said the peace talks "will be over and not even the next president will have an open door" should Pastrana send his troops into the 16,200-square-mile zone he granted the rebels in an effort to boost the peace process.

The United States is pumping $1.3 billion in mostly military counternarcotics aid to Colombia. But the rebels, who make huge profits in protection payments from cocaine producers in Colombia, see the U.S. assistance as a counterinsurgency campaign.

Up to 800 U.S. military personnel and civilians contracted by the State Department are allowed in Colombia at one time under restrictions imposed by Congress. Green Berets have been training Colombian anti-drug troops and U.S. contractors piloting planes that fumigate drug crops.

Negotiations with the FARC inside the so-called demilitarized zone have yielded little. Meanwhile, Colombia's military and U.S. officials have accused the guerrillas of using the area for military preparations, to stash hostages and to further enrich themselves in the cocaine trade.

The Colombian army also said Monday that more suspected members of the Irish Republican Army visited the zone than previously believed. Three suspected IRA members were arrested last month after allegedly conducting explosives training for the FARC inside the zone.

But two other suspected IRA members -- identified as John Francis Johnson and James Edward Walker -- traveled into the zone in April and left Colombia before they could be detained, an army spokesman said.

Pastrana must decide whether to renew safe-haven status for the rebel territory, which is set to expire Oct. 6. He has indicated he probably will do so.

Leading candidates in next May's presidential elections are calling for controls on the safe haven if not its outright cancellation should peace talks continue to founder.

Front-runner Horacio Serpa is planning a protest caravan from Bogota to the area later this month. Last week, the rebels warned that the FARC cannot "be held responsible for his security" during the march.

Colombia's 37-year conflict kills some 3,000 people annually.

Complete Title: Colombia Guerrillas Blast U.S. 'Intervention,' Warn Talks Will Collapse Without Rebel Safe Haven

Source: Associated Press
Author: Jared Kotler, Associated Press Writer
Published: Monday, September 17, 2001
Copyright: 2001 Associated Press

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Comment #22 posted by Rambler on September 19, 2001 at 11:59:28 PT
You're welcome Doug.Here's More
1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.

1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically-elected Mossadeq
government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company)
leading to a quarter-century of dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed
Reza Pahlevi.

1956: U.S. cuts off promised funding for Aswan Dam in Egypt after Egypt
receives Eastern bloc arms.

1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support
invasion, but the involvement of NATO allies severely diminishes
Washington's reputation in the region.

1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability."

1960s (early): U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi
leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.

1963: U.S. reported to give Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by
Saddam Hussein) names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.

1967-: U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC
Resolution 244, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied
in the 1967 war.

1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. prepare to
intervene on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.

1972: U.S. blocks Sadat's efforts to reach a peace agreement with Egypt.

1973: U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with
Syria and Egypt.

1973-75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an
agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds
and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert
action should not be confused with missionary work."

1978-79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah
it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully.
Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the
Shah, but to no avail.

1979-88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months
before Soviet invasion. Over the next decade U.S. provides more than $3
billion in arms and aid.

1980-88: Iran-Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any
Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. removes Iraq from
its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be
transferred to Iraq. U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985
U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides
intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984;
U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy
into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an aggressive U.S. ship
shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya with
the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a
missile and two Libyan planes were subsequently shot down. In 1986,
Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks
Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb
goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing two, the U.S. charges that
Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids
in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted
daughter.

1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, where
more than 10,000 civilians were killed. U.S. chooses not to invoke its
laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self-defense.

1983: U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational
peacekeeping force; intervene on one side of a civil war. Withdraw after
suicide bombing of marine barracks.

1984: U.S.-backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.

1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population
and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic
ties to Iraq.

1990-91: U.S. rejects diplomatic settlement of the Iraqi invasion of
Kuwait (for example, rebuffing any attempt to link the two regional
occupations, of Kuwait and Palestine). U.S. leads international
coalition in war against Iraq. Civilian infrastructure targeted. To
promote "stability" U.S. refuses to aid uprisings by Shi'ites in the
south and Kurds in the north, denying the rebels access to captured
Iraqi weapons and refusing to prohibit Iraqi helicopter flights.

1991-: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and
Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die.
Though Security Council stated sanctions were to be lifted once
Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended,
Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as
Saddam remains in power. Sanctions strengthen Saddam's position.

1993-: U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self-defense
against an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two
months earlier.

1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over weapons inspections, even though
Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical
supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania
and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. U.S. later
acknowledges there is no evidence for the chemical warfare charge.




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Comment #21 posted by Silent_Observer on September 18, 2001 at 11:29:28 PT
Lehder...
I take that as a compliment..:)

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Comment #20 posted by Lehder on September 18, 2001 at 11:17:52 PT
Okay, Silent_O:
You're weird.
Now,
I don't believe in flying saucers.
I don't believe that crystals have magical powers.
I don't believe that people are abducted by space beings.
I don't believe the holocaust never occurred.
But if you've read my comments lately then you know that I do believe there's something very fishy about this attack. It may be only gross negligence or incompetence of the intelligence services. But it's inexcusable, and if I were a congressman I would not be singing and waving the flag: I'd be red in the face with my veins sticking out and I'd be demanding answers...and more heads than bin Laden's. And I still want to know about the Pennsylvania black boxes.

"I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles"

Here are some ideas I do believe, from today's IBD:

A senior official in NATO member Poland warned that an outright attack against bin Laden and his protector, the Afghan Taliban regime, was almost certainly doomed to fail.

"If there are two lessons of the last two centuries, the first is thou shalt not march on Moscow, and the second (is) thou shalt not march on Kabul," Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski wrote in the Rzeczpospolita daily.

"The Americans, after all, could not deploy sufficient forces to this remote region. A hundred thousand troops were not enough for the Soviets."

The Islamic fundamentalist Taliban warned it would attack any country that helped the U.S. against Afghanistan. Any such attacks from landlocked, extremest Afghanistan could well be terrorist attacks.

Note too that the Soviets enjoyed a lengthy border with Afghanistan and so presumably had no supply-line problems. In ten years they could not win.

I believe that, possibly, with much of the western world souring on Plan Colombia and the drug war in general, that the U.S. military-industrial complex seeks to exploit our present circumstance and, for the sake of profits, pursue policies that may not be in our interest. I am especially skeptical when, a few days ago, I see senior members of the defense establishment claiming on TV that our response to the plane attacks will be to "eradicate terrorism" ( sound familiar?) and that the effort will take "years" to accomplish. The plan had not even been formed, but it's going to take "years!" I could go on and on but have better things to do and to believe in too.


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Comment #19 posted by Doug on September 18, 2001 at 09:40:55 PT
Rambler
Thanks for the list of bombings by the US, mostly on Third World Countries that don't have F-16 to fight back. These are facts that most Americans don't know; they will certainly not be relayed in the newspapers or on television. Ignorance of this information can leave you wondereing why anyone would have a grudge against America, after all we are the beacon on the hill and the font of truth, justice, and democracy.

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Comment #18 posted by theropinfool on September 18, 2001 at 06:48:35 PT
with liberty and justice for all
Hmmm, deny justice and you will abandon liberty. "Your weary, your oppressed, your huddled masses" are yearning to be free!

To our shaken leaders?: Take it to heart, you aren't fools, so quit acting like ones.

I'm ropin goats today.....theropinfool

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Comment #17 posted by kaptinemo on September 18, 2001 at 06:31:46 PT:

ABALFRY, some clarifcation, please
Unbelievably good? Or unbelievably bad? Which is it?

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Comment #16 posted by ABALFRY on September 18, 2001 at 06:21:03 PT:

LEGALISATION
MY BOYFRIEND SMOKES CANNABIS EVERYDAY AND NIGHT AND HAS DUN SO SINCE HE WAS ELEVEN HIS TEMPER IS UNBELIVABLE I THIS A RESULT OF THE DRUG

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Comment #15 posted by Silent_Observer on September 18, 2001 at 06:18:31 PT
Thought you may be interested...
http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=533

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Comment #14 posted by Silent_Observer on September 18, 2001 at 06:01:46 PT
Maybe its just me....
but, I'm a little skeptical about the strong bin Laden focus. Let me explain.

On September 11 at 8:30 AM, we had no clue that anything was about to happen. Then, just a few days later, we know who did it! Call me weird, but something doesn't compute here.

Did anybody else think that the reports of the rental car at Logan airport with a Koran in it, and a flight manual in Arabic sounded just a tad disingenuous? Something else that doesn't compute.

All I can say is, other people can wave flags to demonstrate their patriotism - I demonstrated mine on election day, when I said "Harry Browne for President!" You can bet the Libertarians would hardle encourage such acts with misguided policies.

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Comment #13 posted by kaptinemo on September 18, 2001 at 04:51:54 PT:

Unfortunately, I CAN comprehend it.
It' very simple, really; money equals power. Power is what you have when you can cause other people, either through economic means or through actual beat-you-to-a-bloody-pulp force, to get what you want. The more money, the more power. And anything that stands in he way of accumulating that power is construed as being 'obstructionist', 'anti-progressive', 'reactionary', or even 'evil'.

We all know the origins of the cannabis laws. The publicly stated ones and the real, economic ones.But both revolve around this concept.

Since drug law reform stands in the way of the powerful becoming more powerful, it will be and is branded as 'evil'. 'Immoral'. 'Dangerous'. And of course, a 'threat to The Chil-drun'. And those presently in power know that to maintain themselves so, they must use all the means available to stifle any opportunity to debate, to argue, before the public the rationales behind the drug laws. To allow a serious debate is to open themselves to attack upon their power base.

That's why I keep sounding like a nut about the dangers inherent in these new 'counter-terrorism' maesures being proposed in Congress. When these buffoons, who seem to have forgotten their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution, make noises about shredding it even futher than it already has been, and that 'people have too much freedom' (despite that shredding) and that they equate cannabis dealing (and therefore, use) with treason, then it's time to batten down the hatches and sound General Quarters. And let the pols know that, they might be ignorant the difference, but you aren't. And that you will hold them personally accountable for any further infringement upon our already dwindled rights.

Otherwise, 'The Great White North' might just see the reverse of the brain drain they are worried about. I said it once before; I will happily learn to sing "O Canada!" if it entails living in a country where my rights are respected and protected rather than bought and sold on a dyspeptic or insane pol's whim.

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Comment #12 posted by freedom fighter on September 17, 2001 at 20:23:56 PT
GCW thanks for the link
especially the one that point out to the UN study..

If one would read carefully, the report would not mention any damage if one choose to consume cannabis. All the report would do is point out the damage of prohibition of cannabis in regard to trafficking of hard drugs. It would point out the damages that hard drugs(cocaine/herion) do to people. People of the world would rather choose cannabis over these stuff.

I am in awe. I do not understand why some folks thought it was a bright idea to ban cannabis. Not one single human being ever had to go to hospital for cannabis. Cocaine or herion or whatever, sure, but not cannabis except for the prohibition itself that killed Tom and Rolland.

I am not able to comphrend the greed of the prohibition. I do not think I want to do so. It is evil. Prohibition does not represent security in any country in this world. Prohibition is what feed evil in this world.

ff

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Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 18:05:11 PT
Robbie and Rambler
I see what you both mean. That's deep stuff.

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Comment #10 posted by Robbie on September 17, 2001 at 17:43:22 PT
previous post
My concern with my last post was about the new legislation:

"Anyone who attempts to coerce a civilian population or a unit of government is a terrorist."

So, if we protes against the DEA or something, we're terrorists? Yeah, I mean watch out.

I thgink our cherished freedoms could be going to hell in a handbasket.

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Comment #9 posted by Rambler on September 17, 2001 at 17:40:27 PT
FoM
I dont know for sure,but I believe that most of these countries
didnt even have the capability to do any bombing from the air.
They were sitting ducks.


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Comment #8 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 17:36:56 PT
GCW..I dont know if this is exactly what Robbie
meant to say,,,but I predict a blurry,,,faint,and barely
visible line will exsist between the wars on drugs & terror,,
in fact,,,I think they will almost become one in the same,as
the insanity grows amongst our lawmakers,and the ugly
arrogance further infects a new brand of law enforcement,
that now has few boundaries,,,,drugs will be called a form
of terrorism,,and the war will become the War on Terrorism
and Drugs,,,,all of a sudden,,all the special laws that were
wreckless made to combat terror,,will apply to drugs.....

get ready

it aint gonna be pretty...dddd

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Comment #7 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 17:29:14 PT
Rambler
I have a question. Have any of the countries you posted bombed any other country or have we only bombed them? I really have no idea.

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Comment #6 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 17:25:03 PT
A Comment
I just caught a little of a program on CNN. I think it was Crossfire but they are blurring together these days but they asked one question that stuck out in my mind.

It was isn't the war on drugs and the war on terrorism basically the same? That's by no means word for word but that's the right context.

The answer was NO not at all. The war on terrorism is about murdereres. That's not at all the same as the war on drugs. Not word for word again.

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Comment #5 posted by Rambler on September 17, 2001 at 17:24:48 PT
bombings by US

China 1945-46
Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)
..Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-1961
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Iran 1987
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-2000
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1993
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999

"A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."


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Comment #4 posted by The GCW on September 17, 2001 at 17:14:06 PT
Robbie
...who harbor a terrorist or give them money...
Does that mean the government would concider if some one purchases some cannabis, they are giving terrorist money, now that there is the implication of drug sales money going to terrorist?

Will they now treat cannabis users like terrorist supporters?

Robbie, is that what you mean when you say: Watch out people!!
It's already starting.


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Comment #3 posted by Robbie on September 17, 2001 at 16:57:07 PT
Watch out people!!
It's already starting.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--attacks-anti-terr0917sep17.story?coll=ny%2Dap%2Dregional%2Dwire


The legislation made terrorism a capital crime in New York and defined what it is--the commission of an offense designed to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population" or "influence the policy of a unit of government."

The package also made it a violent felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison for people who solicit terrorist activities. In addition, it created punishment of up to 25 years in state prison for those who harbor a terrorist or give them money, transportation or weapons.


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Comment #2 posted by The GCW on September 17, 2001 at 16:29:19 PT
ILLICIT DRUGS IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES: A LITERATUR
http://www.swan.ac.uk/cds/devres/drugs2.html




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Comment #1 posted by The GCW on September 17, 2001 at 15:56:56 PT
The Links Between Drug Prohibition and Terrorism

"Drugs have taken over as the chief means of financing terrorism." http://www.cfdp.ca/terror.htm


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