High-Tech Security Tools Get a 2nd Look |
Posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 07:30:43 PT By Carl T. Hall, Chronicle Science Writer Source: San Francisco Chronicle Security specialists are taking another look at technologies that seemed out of the question before last week's terrorist attack on the East Coast. Nobody expects any high-tech solution will erase America's new sense of insecurity. But there are some innovative approaches that could find a place, and particularly promising are recent advances in low-dose X-ray scanning. Snipped Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
Comment #38 posted by kaptinemo on September 18, 2001 at 04:24:01 PT:
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But if you've ever had a serious case of bronchitis or pneumonia in the past, you are more susceptible to having it again. And seeing that you are afraid that, with winter coming on, you might get that sick again...and that you can't afford to take some time off from work (you can't, right?)...perhaps your doc would write a prescription for you. I hate to say this, but despite the tragedy of Black Tuesday, many people in this country are still in a lah-dee-dah, "It can't happen here!" mindset. Well, friends, it just has. (OOPS! upside the head) Wakey-wakey! We've just had a major warning...and many are not heeding it. And the ones who do and try to do something about it are being branded as 'alarmist'. As they always have. For the Biblically minded of you, I refer you to the story of Jeremiah. And for the classically minded, look up Cassandra. And what happened to the people of Troy when they pooh-poohed her. Well, my friends, if there's a way to possibly save your neck from what might be coming down the pike...and you don't use it...it ain't gonna be my fault. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #37 posted by freedom fighter on September 17, 2001 at 23:16:33 PT |
Just wondering how to nicely ask a HMO doctor that we need some Keflex or Erythromycin without looking like a druggie?? :) I suppose it is a stupid question but dang, my family do live in a city that is probably the next terr. attack. Do we just be upfront with doc and say, dang, doc, aint be surprise if it shd happen so please write me a permission? ff [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #36 posted by freedom fighter on September 17, 2001 at 20:43:43 PT |
not..:)) My friend says he thinks it will only be for a while. I wish I could slap his face. But, being a pacfist, I did not. Our lives are forever changed. ff [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #35 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 19:21:39 PT |
Thanks [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #34 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 19:17:39 PT |
That's unreal. That sent a chill down my spine. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #33 posted by theropinfool on September 17, 2001 at 19:09:50 PT |
Maybe this is not a hoax. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #32 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 18:28:56 PT |
Don't you just feel like we are in a bad dream and soon we will wake up? I shake my head and go this is really happening and it has no where to go but get worse. The method that the terrorists used, when I think about it all, was so intelligently done and that makes it all the more scary. With all the thought that went into what they did I do expect more horrors unfortunately. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #31 posted by freedom fighter on September 17, 2001 at 18:19:31 PT |
that used to be connect to the mainland but now are surrounded by the body of ocean. On that island is an abandonded bio factory. Just about anybody who may be insane can get into that factory. It is only matter of time as to when the second wave of terror will come upon our shore. Our government's left hand does not know what its' right hand are doing. We are screwed big time when the government have spend 50 billion$ on drug war and just 300 million$ on bioterrorism defense. It only takes two boys who is already probably here with the supply and a private plane. I am aware that most of us know it will happen but we want to know when.. Kapt. says six months to a year. I feel it is more like two to 4 years. I am a carpenter and man, I can see the slowdown in Denver big time. It is not God bless America. It is more like May God have mercy on America. If I do die, I will die as a freedom fighter and I will see each of you again one day. All we need is peace, forgivness and Love. Strange words coming out of a mouth of a freedom fighter. But it is all I strive for. \/ [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #30 posted by theropinfool on September 17, 2001 at 16:43:52 PT |
I wonder if the bio weapons are intended for people or maybe for the livestock that helps keep them live. I put nothing past these terrorists (in the true sense of the word). Everyday a new threat, everyday a new crisis, everyday a new worry. How does it feel to be ruled by these mad fools? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #29 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 14:13:41 PT |
..You are right up there with FoM in being the best,Kap!,,,and I know you had no intent to suggest levity in answering the dead serious question of defending ones self against bio-weaponry, and I respect and value your wise advise on the subject.... but being the chronic buffoon that I am,,I cant resist the opportunity to cut loose with my usual,sick,irreverent attempt at putting a humorous spin on your recommendations..please forgive me,and dont be offended. I'll have to chance it,by staying here in the LA metro area for the next ...sorry about the cheap fun,,,but seriously,,it is wise to try and be ,many survivors may wish they were not still exsisting in their .....well,,,I guess I've wandered far enough into the Twilite Zone,,of the Outer Limits..... cant really explain why,,or how I come up with this crap,,,I guess it's a reaction/release/response,to these strange new times. cheers................dddderanged [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #28 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 12:58:57 PT |
It better not stop on that number. Creepy. I haven't seen a plane since this all happened last week. They train over where will live and we haven't seen any formations at all. Nothing. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #27 posted by Lehder on September 17, 2001 at 12:44:34 PT |
and there are X's in the sky, chemtrails. dow is very close to ending down 666. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #26 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 12:36:43 PT |
We both read what you said. That's very good advice. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #25 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 12:35:06 PT |
,,and you bring to mind another threat from the beverage cart,,,,what about the the old biker outlaw thing of breaking a bottle on the edge of the bar,and threatening people with a glass bottleneck stub?,,,looks like the plastic wine bottle industry may be another place for the "smart money"to invest in.....and speaking of straws for the CapriSun Pork Chop Cooler,,, they could easily be utilized as a crude blowgun,using Kevlar darts that could be unpleasantly concealed in a terrorists ass,,immune to metal detection........but just to warn any terrorists who might start to get some new ideas about the Kevlar darts thing,,,I have recently invested in the newest publicly traded player in the anti-terror game... It's a small company based in Utah called Rump Technology Systems ..RMPTCH on the NYSE...their newest product,,the Ass-O-Scope, promises to provide "non intrusive probing,in a dignified manner" dddd [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #24 posted by MDG on September 17, 2001 at 11:57:59 PT |
I had thought some sort of tiny, disposable grinder would suffice for eating on airlines...a "U-Grind-sil" of sorts. Just drop in a sugar-snap pea and you don't even need to chew. But, there might be some way of putting the pilot's nuts (I'm not talkin' dry roasted, here) in that grinder, so ixnay on the indergray. Also, the only problems I see with liqueous beef Wellington packaged by Capri-Sun are that it requires a violent motion with a dangerous stabbing-weapon: the straw. Not only will this encourage passengers who might already be pissed off about not getting that second beer to revolt, but they might even McGyver some sort of eye-popping projectile, which might take out a flight attendant. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on September 17, 2001 at 11:49:44 PT:
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Is not being in a major metropolitan city for the next 6 months to a year. Stay out of large enclosed rooms, subways and crowded outside areas. Keep an eye on the weather; at these latitudes in the Continental US, the winds are from the West. Any terr worth his salt will launch a bio attack from upwind. Look for unusual amounts of dead pets, rats and bugs; these are called 'vectors' and used to transport bugs for as long as the bug doesn't kill them. Keep thick cotton sheets and wraps and plenty of strong bleach handy to make makeshift masks. Not anywhere as good as a real mask, but it might be enough. See your doctor and ask for some really high powered antibiotics like Keflex or Erythromycin. The most likely bioweapon of choice of a terr would be anthrax; if people around you start getting sick with flu-like symptoms en masse and you start getting sick, take those antibiotics immediately. Anthrax works fast and can kill you in 3 days if you don't. For disaster preparedness info, I suggest: and here's why we should worry: How dangerous is Russia's bio-warfare industry? and remember: the Russians can't account for 20 'satchel nukes'; do you think they know where all their bugs are right now? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #22 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 11:44:31 PT |
Good to see you again Hope. I love having Hope. Without Hope we will just give up. My husband must go to a big city tonight and I just told him again that I love him. I think it is important to say what we feel so if anything happens we have no regrets. I'm not afraid at all. I know if my time is up it will be ok. I didn't always feel that way but I have for a number of years now. Life is but a vapor. Here today and gone tomorrow. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #21 posted by Hope on September 17, 2001 at 11:30:19 PT |
We all know that we are not permanent beings in the sense of our bodies. What is important when all is said and done is what we did with the time we have here. "Be gentle as a dove and wary as a serpent." We must try not to waste any of that little time being afraid or worried. "Fear not, for I am with you." "Do not be anxious, but pray about everything." "Mercy is greater than justice." [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #20 posted by Hope on September 17, 2001 at 11:23:56 PT |
Even after you get rid of shoelaces, scarves, belts, and wire strung jewelry there will still be those folks who know how to press a spot on a person's neck to kill them. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #19 posted by Rambler on September 17, 2001 at 11:16:18 PT |
How do we protect ourselves against bio-terror? All we can do about that,is make sure we know God personally. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 11:10:56 PT |
We delivered a load years ago to San Francisco and we had to immediately upon arriving go to this room and stay there until they removed the drums of chemicals. It was errie because all along the walls were closet like things that would pop open and gas masks etc. would come out if something went wrong. We hauled that load from Boston, Mass. to San Francisco and reloaded and returned empty drums. Skull and Crossbones were placarded all over our trailer. Never did find out what it was we hauled but we went through a snow storm in Colorado. I'll never forget that trip. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #17 posted by Patrick on September 17, 2001 at 11:02:49 PT |
NBC = Nuclear Biological and Chemical Warfare. This has been standard training in the military since Nam. Maybe before Nam but I do not know first hand what training was available back then. While in the military, I found it hard to believe that the gas mask, the mop suit, the booties, the chemical gloves etc. would protect me from a nuclear strike. I felt more reassured that they would protect me from bio or chemical attacks until I could get to "clean air." I am sure I am not the only nervous citizen that has not located a personal gas mask yet. You can bet congress, the military, and law enforcement have them. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #16 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 10:54:50 PT |
How will we protect ourselves from bio warfare? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #15 posted by Patrick on September 17, 2001 at 10:51:15 PT |
Outlawing pocketknives and fingernail clippers on airline flights while good intentioned will not stop lethal force to overtake an airplane. Anyone with any martial art or hand to hand fighting techniques can attest, the "human hand" is a lethal weapon when trained. My question still is, how do you fight an ideology that believes suicide attacks are justified? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #14 posted by theropinfool on September 17, 2001 at 10:39:38 PT |
The hammer of justice will ring the bell of freedom. The hammer of oppression will toll the bell of death. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #13 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 10:19:29 PT |
Cannabis News was created to help us learn how to change our current marijuana laws and to learn about the drug war. As far as me posting many articles that are not related to drug policy issues I won't do that but links in a comment section are welcome. This is turning more into a discussion forum during this crisis then a Cannabis related news site but this is reality. This site is all of ours but I must tell everyone that I will delete any comments that could bring heat on this site and I think you all will understand that. We are not the enemy and I don't want anyone thinking, by posts that could stir anger, that we are. That way we won't be shut down and believe me that could happen. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #12 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 10:13:24 PT |
...I dont know about the spork thing,,,you would have to convince them that a potential hijacker couldnt threaten to scrape someone to death,with the dangerous teeth on the end of the spork....... ...Maybe the better stock tip,or new business venture,,would be to come up with a full line of airline foods that are in the form of a sauce,,,you know,,like little containers that you can consume thru a straw,,,"Would you like the chicken cordon bleu sauce,,or the beef wellington puree",,,,everything would be the consistancy of applesauce,thus eliminating the need for any objects of terror,,,,but I guess that wouldnt last,,,some one would try to hijack a plane while holding a straw to the neck of a stewardess,,,and then we would have to call that JuiceMan guy,and come out with a new line of tasty "Meat Juice" entrees,,,with Salad Juice,,,and Apple Cobbler juice,,,,,,,perhaps then we could outsmart these terrorists!
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 10:10:56 PT |
Never said you were dumb! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #10 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 09:56:52 PT |
It's a good feeling to have you mention a belief in my potential.I've always thought I could probably get rich if I wanted to,,but I think that I have mastered the art of being poor and happy. ..If I was rich,I would probably be involved with trying to stay rich,,or get richer,,and I would have never had the wonderful experience of exchanging ideas with all the excellent people who visit this special place.... I'm gonna be working hard for the next couple of months though,,due to dental problems... Peace
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Comment #9 posted by bruce42 on September 17, 2001 at 09:48:00 PT |
Aha! That's the answer! "another stock tip is in the plastic,no-stab ,silverware industry...If you could design and market a useless dull,and non-threatening eating utensil" Get in on sporks- you know those combo spoon fork things! And not the brittle ones that you can snap in half and create pointy stabbing bit with- I'm talking about those bendy ones that really aren't good for much except fooning. here are some links [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #8 posted by Patrick on September 17, 2001 at 09:36:39 PT |
Your marketing prowess hints at Genius! Seriously. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #7 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 09:34:54 PT |
"the press coverage from the outside has been interesting. There's a definite awareness that the U.S. media has agreed to be manipulated in order to raise the proper level of suppoort for all these measures which are being considered which 2 months ago would be unthinkable." Bulls eye,,,,I couldnt agree more! dddd [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #6 posted by dddd on September 17, 2001 at 09:30:09 PT |
I say ,,buy American Science & Engineering Inc., a Massachusetts company that manufactured the "BodySearch" system.....,,,,,,what's more important,,,So what if breasts,balls,and weenies glow in the dark!!at least you wont have to worry about any terrorist on airplanes.. another stock tip is in the plastic,no-stab ,silverware industry...If you could design and market a useless dull,and non-threatening eating utensil,and sell it under some sort of brand name,,like;"Cant-Cutt",,,or; Presidunt Bush is an IDIOT!...no amount of bombs or terrorism could make me "rally" around this dunce! dddd [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #5 posted by Patrick on September 17, 2001 at 09:29:20 PT |
Hate crime reports up in wake of terrorist attacks. FoM, I hope you don't mind providing mainstream links here but I think it is important to point out that cannabis users and growers are probably not responsible for hate crimes. Bush just announced women with slit throats on airlines? I guess he let something slip about what happened on those flights? http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/gen.hate.crimes/ [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #4 posted by Sudaca on September 17, 2001 at 09:09:49 PT |
the press coverage from the outside has been interesting. There's a definite awareness that the U.S. media has agreed to be manipulated in order to raise the proper level of suppoort for all these measures which are being considered which 2 months ago would be unthinkable. As a russian analyst commented , while the rhetoric is definitely aimed at generating support for a prolonged military campaign, even nailing Bin Laden is out of the question in terms of a solution. His point was, the cause remains and the fact of an organized response from the states will not change that at all. So folks, what has changed in this world this week? The US was vulnerable to an insane mass murder attack by suicidal fanatics. Will this change if the US wipes out Islam, Colombia and Mexico? Well, we'll get to find out as everyone and their aunt gets tied in to the And if people think that the new powers sought by the Repression Apparatus will never be abused cause right now everyone is looking in the same direction, well, give it a year or so.. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #3 posted by FoM on September 17, 2001 at 09:03:44 PT |
I had the opportunity to travel on the road for two years with my husband in our semi. I'm 5 feet 2 inches and weigh 105 pounds and I got to drive the big truck too! Had to sit on a couple pillows! LOL! Lots of wives learned to slip behind the wheel to give their husbands a little rest on coast to coast runs. I've been to about every state except the extreme north west and the memories I have of seeing this great land could never have been seen in a plane. I like to keep my feet on the ground and enjoy what I see instead of rushing everywhere. I have never understood why people want to fly so frequently. Teleconference if you need to but why fly so much? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #2 posted by Patrick on September 17, 2001 at 08:54:24 PT |
As an old army aviator that loves to fly, I will not be flying home this Christmas on any commercial airline. I will drive home and see some of the country that I have always flown over in the past. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #1 posted by kaptinemo on September 17, 2001 at 08:50:58 PT:
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first public guniea pig. Take it from a Chem Corps grunt that radiation of any sort, ionizing (as this latest toy uses) or non-ionizing (like your microwave nuker) is nothing you want a steady diet of. It's effects are cumulative. For example, the reason why tobacco smokers get cancer is because the leaf contains a polonium isotope. Put there by all the various industrial strength chemicals used to grow it. (And it is also why cannanbists don't get cancer; no polonium containing additives or grow solutions.) With every inhalation, you are giving yourself a 'low dose' of alphagens. Over a period of years, that builds up...and does not stop radiating, either. Like continually giving yourself low dose X-Ray exams. And they want to use this on people? I'll think I'll take the trains, from now on. [ Post Comment ] |
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