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Posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 08:06:48 PT By Maura Dolan and Henry Weinstein Source: Los Angeles Times ![]() "At this time of crisis, we want to make sure that civil liberties aren't violated," said Dorothy Ehrlich, executive director of the ACLU's Northern California chapter. The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights is meeting in San Francisco today to discuss the risks of repressive steps taken in the name of safety and to plan a response if needed. Snipped Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
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Comment #34 posted by dddd on September 16, 2001 at 01:00:12 PT |
...that Upsidasium is from an old Rocky and Bullwinklie cartoon. ,,and of course Boris Badenov was trying to get it from Rocky and Bullwinkle,,,I think "Wrong Way Peachfuzz" may have been involved too..............If my memory serves me well,Upsidasium was some special stuff that kindof reversed the effect of gravity. Facinating!......indeedddd [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #33 posted by Steven Tuck on September 16, 2001 at 00:32:08 PT:
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Why is all us patients who's lives were destroyed by crooked cops being wrote off? I have had to flee the country for my life and I AM A DISABLED VET! After losing all because of a vendetta from a true pig, I now live in Canada as a man without a country or a home never to see mine again.????????????????? Steve Tuck [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #32 posted by jAHn on September 15, 2001 at 11:50:35 PT |
I personally hold the server of National Security RESPONSIBLE for this act of lunacy. How dare you turn your head to the point of blindness? Does it help you smile- knowing that YOU helped Media Ratings, that day, and helped "reinstate confidence" in that shoddy organization/network that you call, "Americas'?" Whoever would've thought... T.V. + Prohibitionist = TERROR ??? Damned Steel-Huggers... ...look at what your Planes do!!! I've been saying it for A LOoooOOOng time now. Look at what your Cars do!!! You make me ashamed, to say the least, to say that I'm even Human. some protection we have... from Sep.11,2001 on forth, ANYONE who chooses to mate and have babies is considered a terrorist, because- DENY IT NOT- this world is a TERRIBLE, terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, T E R R I B L E place to "grow" in... ask ANYONE... drop your "Fight for freedom" mantras... Ya can't even get someone to find Ballots that have been thrown out in an, uh, e-l-e-c-s-h-u-n, or whatever those rockin voter parties are... Humans SUCK!!! And more tragedies like this WILL CONTINUE...only 'cause... HUMANS REALLY, R E A L L Y suck...BigTime ((and his buddies butties)) What does it mean to be free? Figure that one out, Dearest Doctor, prescribe me A GOD Pill...send me on my way with my bill in my hand...to the land of NO HOPE. What DOES it mean to have hope? Life Sucks............And ADULTS make it that way. With their bullshit Cars, their seriously-flawed electro-inventions, their easily-breakable homes. ANd their minds.... Oh....THEIR minds... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #31 posted by CANNABIS FOR FREEDOM on September 14, 2001 at 18:23:38 PT |
While the FBi was killing non-violent marijuana farmers, and colin Powell was helping to poison and murder poor Columbians, terrorists were roaming free in America. We have had a War on American citizens for too long. The politicians and lawmakers of the United States are just as responsible for these terrorist acts as are the terrorists that carried them out. If our current administration and the current Senators and Congressmen really cared about our people they would have thwarted this violence before it ever occurred. But, no they had to eradicate a harmless substance
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Comment #30 posted by freedom fighter on September 14, 2001 at 15:28:25 PT |
Hey Kapt., You answered my question yesterday and suddenly we are the terrorists in their eyes. So predictiable! And so spooky! Well, Mr. DEAthwatchdotcom, if you are snooping around here, Go chase the real criminals! The real terrorists are just that. An average dea agent, 9000 of them.. Go look in a mirror and behold, here is the real terrorist. If drugs were legal, none of this stuff would happend at the WTC. sooo spoooky indeed! ff [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #29 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 15:15:11 PT |
The articles don't surprise me. Since it apears we are going into a war mode things will be different. I believe that wisdom should be used to not get in trouble. Don't talk about illegal activities for one. We should be careful about what we say. Discussing changing drug laws is still free speech and we aren't breaking any laws. These are a few things I think we should think about. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #28 posted by m segesta on September 14, 2001 at 15:12:43 PT:
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Also, please see my post re: FoM's new link about Assa's new jib, er, job: http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10911.shtml [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #27 posted by m segesta on September 14, 2001 at 15:11:29 PT:
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Kapt. You are so right about "not thinking".................certainly, I can't help but wonder if this terrorist event would have happened (or happened in such a tragic way with so many deaths and so much destruction) if we had put some of the $80 billion or so we spend fighting plants on things like real airport security (instead of McDonald's workers in security uniforms, and having an armed LEO on every plane (undercover) rather than just hasing some plant and its growers? They train us to pay attention to the ILLUSION OF SAFETY (honestly, no knives in airport restaurants? who are they kidding?) rather than truly think about probabilities, risks vs. benefits, etc. I guess they figure symbolism is more important to sheeple than freedom -- and the fact that it ain't free -- so how do you pay for its costs and keep them at a reasonable level. Do you realize the price we will pay the ILLUSION of safe airports? They say it won't pay timewise to fly any distance under 400 miles, so that means people that need to get anywhere in that radius will drive, which we know is many times more dangerous -- in terms of real, statistical risks -- than flying. Why is okay if, say, 200 more people die in traffic every year because it isn't time efficient to fly? Does that make sense, IF YOU THINK? Be well. M [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #26 posted by tdm on September 14, 2001 at 15:00:07 PT |
I am now officially sad. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #25 posted by tdm on September 14, 2001 at 14:56:40 PT |
And so it begins... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #24 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 14:41:49 PT |
Hutchinson Helping Track Terrorists http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread10911.shtml [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on September 14, 2001 at 13:54:26 PT:
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And, just as predictable as an Eastern sunrise, we get...this 12 Sep 2001, 14:09 PST, 5th Edition Instead of screwing around with Gary Johnson Asa should be making public statements equating community drug dealers with terrorists. (Emphais mine. -k.) We all know that a good portion of drug money is going to terrorist organizations. Drug dealers and terrorists are one and the same: they both work to undermind our national security. Somebody should tell Asa to leave the debates to ONDCP and start acting like a law enforcement executive. He is missing a good media opportunity to raise the drug war issue. Terrorists and drug dealers are one and the same... or is it only the flower part of the poppy that Afghanistan ships to the U.S.??? Need I say it? I told you that the antis would be scratching to make some hay from this tragedy, and exactly how they would do it. And here it is. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #22 posted by Catnipper on September 14, 2001 at 13:52:14 PT |
23 is the main number of the Illuminati, leading to other important numbers for them. 2/3 = .666 [devil] 2+3 = 5 [pentagram] 9/11/2001 additionally to being a ritual date: CNN, proudly shows the flag of the united states 23.9/7, during the reporting - but is it the whole flag? No. Visible of it, are 15 stars, and 8 stripes... 15+8 = 23 Phone numbers, created for the current events, seen on CNN, and / or at the american red cross homepage: United Airlines: Pentagon: The number can be broken up into six occurances of either 1__8__0_0__8__3_3__6___6__2_2__ 1_2^3_0_0_2^3_3_3_2*3_2*3_2_2__
US Air Force: How far do coincidences go? This is beyond random, this is a message.
Who does extensive math operations on the trillions of everyday numbers we're flooded with all the time? Who are present everywhere? It can signal to those enlightened for example, which numbers to call for information, which events are under control, where science actually is much farther, than the status owned medias present to us. Waypoints maybe, in the internet that lead you to vital information, if followed correctly. The common people just laugh at an idea as absurd as this, "why would they do that?" Why not? It has worked for centuries. The Illuminati have their men everywhere, FBI, CIA, governments, DEA, high times, terrorist groups, drug cartels, banks, pharma industry, oil, wood, television, radio, printmedias, military, tobacco, alcohol, hospitals, red cross, everywhere you can imagine...
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Comment #21 posted by Morgan on September 14, 2001 at 13:45:29 PT |
I've tried to develop over the years a 'trip-wire' in my head to detect whenever someone is trying to push the implanted 'emotional buttons' in my heart. (Mine are like yours FoM...the american flag, patriotic songs, hymns, etc...) I can't help but tear up. I have (cynically?) interpreted anyone who tries to push I'm guessing the movie 'Wag The Dog' is getting rented ********************************************************** [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #20 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 12:59:45 PT |
I wanted to ask you all if you heard about a threat with chemical agents? They have hushed it up two times that I've heard. PS: M segesta I'm glad what I said helps. If I didn't keep this way of thinking I'd go crazy and I'm not nice when I'm crazy. Just ask my husband! lol! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #19 posted by kaptinemo on September 14, 2001 at 12:41:43 PT:
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Step back from the terrible tragedy of it all, and think. (Which is precisely what the rulers of this country don't want you to do. why do you think they play the same images, over and over? Why do you think the service is being televised? at the very real risk of seeming crass, who is going to benefit from all this? Certainly not the relatives of the victims.) The Soviets had a huge monument at Leningrad; it's still there, I believe. And constantly being played in the background of this monument to the Fallen of Leningrad is some of the most sad and beautiful chorales I've ever heard. No words, just sad voices, singing like depressed angels. Like our Viet Nam memorial, few who ever go there are unmoved. Grizzled old survivors of the battle there and in other places like the deadly meatgrinder at Kursk are moved to tears. But the entire war wouldn't have happened if the Communist government hadn't been run by effin' murderous madmen like Stalin and Beria. The terrible loss of life, the tens of millions dead...wouldn't have happened. That memorial is meant to take people's minds off of what really happened...and why. Millions suffered and died - because of criminal insanity on the part of their leaders. Do you see where this is going? Instead of a gigantic monument of a woman swinging a sword over her head, with an angelic chorus in the background...we get religious displays. And an angelic chorus in the background. All to take your mind off of the fact that were it not for actions committed by the US, those people being memorialized would still be alive. I mourn for the terrible loss of life, yes. My heart goes out to all those left behind: wives, husbands, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, loved ones, friends. But there is a terrible coldness in my mind. For these lives didn't have to be sacrificed. And those who have and will benefit in the future (via contracts for all the munitions that are about to be expended in retribution) will do as they always have done: sit back and smile at the eternal gullibility of the American public. Whose heartstrings are being plucked like instruments...deliberately. And whose sheeplike minds are being manipulated, being turning towards thoughts of vengeance. Very profitable vengeance. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #18 posted by m segesta on September 14, 2001 at 12:30:15 PT:
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FoM --- I have spent a lot of time today trying to explicate my feelings, as all that is available to my conscious self lately has been a numb, dry, grating affect. I think you have parsed things out for me completely, FoM: "Many people are angry and that's ok. I just don't get very angry anymore. I get sad but not angry. Upset but not really angry. I don't expect much from life" Your statement describes how I feel now and have felt all week. It's dead on. But to read it is soooooooooooo sad....it makes me think we are but "shells", maimed but still able to "produce", if only to distract us from our feelings. :( Be well.
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Comment #17 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 12:19:24 PT |
Many people are angry and that's ok. I just don't get very angry anymore. I get sad but not angry. Upset but not really angry. I don't expect much from life. I hope this makes sense. That's how I can do C News. I step back a lot and look. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #16 posted by jAHn on September 14, 2001 at 11:51:21 PT |
...only I express it with Loudness and not a weep. Can you feel me being abused? It doesn't matter if you do or if you don't... I feel you... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #15 posted by jAHn on September 14, 2001 at 11:47:27 PT |
I am witnessing people scrambling to point fingers... And knowing that i have to live with THE REALITY that I know of (and am considered good friends to) 5 people, at least, who have to go back to their "jobs" in NYCity in the VERY NEAR FUTURE. Justice Department CAN"T EVEN settle scores in a fair manner on American Soil...i.e. Mumia Abu Jamaal, Amadou Diallo, Leonard Peltier, CIA Mind-F@#CKING Games, FEDERAL Inconsistencies within solving the Threat behing Oklahoma, Votes that are just THROWN AWAY((???)), etc... Pulling together? Gee, the news has a funny way of fooling people. "Camera's got them images, the T.V.'s got them ALL" I really FEEL that the T.V. has the most to gain. And the sponsorship of businesses/economics that propagate it. I may not be the smartest person, and who REALLY can take that title in such an Unpredictably STUPID world? BUT... Why hold "Rock the Vote" campaigns? Milking the Capital... No different than Blind Citizens following some Whacked-Out, Money-Lovin' Dictator. I am Of course you don't understand, You're just a BABY Kid, toddler, infant--- with a couple of feet added to your height. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #14 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 11:34:06 PT |
I'm crying again. There singing Amazing Grace. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #13 posted by jAHn on September 14, 2001 at 11:33:40 PT |
With my drill I'll craft one of the sweetest bongs to get by and take me along The path of the stoned's NEVER travelled alone your soul i'm honed into your words keeping me focused never heeding the words of the enemy teachers No time for the weak- the bogus. If the Feds haven't been soOOooo focused on Shooting up some Hippies with some Hot Lead, Thought you would.... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #12 posted by el_toonces on September 14, 2001 at 11:26:51 PT:
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Damn, I just love my new word: upsidasium.....even though I don't know what it means. But thanks for this neologism, Theropinfool. But I think the "upsi" -- as we "in the know" call it -- is way too potent, since I can't even figure out what jAHN is talkin' about. It's not the lack of subjects, verbs, and objects in his text that confuses me, though, so much as the point he is trying to make, and would make, but for his brains being scrambled by the God-awful "upsidasium". Maybe it got to him as a child? Have an "upsi" day all and pax vobiscum. E (I had to flick off the service y'all are talkin' about......getting to the point where my eyes are now dry and incapable of lacrimnation at all; I just hope the draught doesn't reach my heart anytime soon). ;) [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #11 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 11:25:32 PT |
jAHn I don't understand your post but I have a hard time understanding things sometimes. I'm just proud to see how America is pulling together. I'm proud of the people who are working frantically to find just one person alive. I'm proud of the way that New Yorkers are acting. The city is bound together in a way that I never thought I'd see. These are some of the reasons I'm proud today to be an American. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #10 posted by New Mexican on September 14, 2001 at 11:20:43 PT |
Read this and weep folks, America was a great country at one time, and its' citizens are not guilty of these crimes by their government. Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:36
By David Icke The unbelievable horror perpetrated on the cities of New York and Washington Fast as the world was being moved towards global centralised fascism, it was And, mind-numbing as these atrocities are, this is the start, not the end, To read the full article: go to:truth-vibrations@yahoogroups.com [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #9 posted by jAHn Confused on September 14, 2001 at 11:15:35 PT |
...an american REALLY represents? I'm 24 and I've lived in america (so-titled) all of my living days. In Kindegarten, being American was just, simply, making it to school aside all worries which loom at home-life. 6th grade through 8th grade: being american meant keeping strong on the track i felt would make my life...just being. The environment that's administered (to most, at a guess) is completey chaotic when you start 6th-8th grade...Teachers tell me i can't read "Pet Sematary" because of content. I'm told not to talk out loud because it can grow a tendency of drowning out the "teachers'" inability of being audibly inclined.(and mentally, i add as a personal note). All the while, other 6th-8th graders are getting away with the self-freedom of Bitching about other students' haircuts, the clothes they can afford, the friends they choose and how they're "nerds, geeks, dweebs, dorks, weird-os, Faggots ((how overused is it??)), the list goes on (I'm being redundant, in a way). High School, being american was about Finding a job through all of the reports of "Unemployment at all-time low", "Workers Treated like Garbage", "Many Ph-D possessors work at Wal-Mart", and MANY other "current events" that have come and gone-- worried and forgotten, as if NOTHING relied on these "facts." You can't see? GO to a doctor... If you believe that he/she is NOT part of the problem ((chances ARE and HAVE BEEN stacked against PEOPLE LIKE ME for a LoooOOOng time, now)) For some reason, You will Fall ((I didn't even get into the College Story, for sake I might mess up what i already have...although, I dropped outta HighSchool, I got my "Good Enough Diploma" and attended the community centre, where I'm currently ((well, i got a year off to gather myself {and my culturistic creeds, collectively)) studying Tv-Production, Script-Writing, and All of the other stuff that's in the 3-Dimensionally-Oriented Computer Animation Field of work...where I learn about all of the little tricks of "reeling in the consumer, YOU, and how to get ya coming back- aGAIN, and aGAIN..." I've been a part-time musician, too, having started with Saxophone in 4th grade and scoring gigs in the school talent shows, until i was in 6th grade. I would also do some performance art with some other students, as like, little comedy gigs for the fun of performing. I dropped the Sax 'cause WHOEVER would've guessed that schools lead me down the path of the "rich and supreme" with that pricey-ass Saxophone??? Electric Guitars are MUCH MORE VERSATILE, anyway. Acoustics vary like leaves blowing in the wind the midst of fall... Damn... LIFE IS CONFUSING...!!! when your vote doesn't count, and NEVER has. when figuring out WHO voted for WHO... when listening to the Intercoms scream, all aboard.... anyone? N.Y.City? no place is safe this is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY... I hope your happy that "everything around my neighborhood" is O.K, dandy, peachy and qUEEn...just f@#cking SWELL. see you in hell... [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #8 posted by el_toonces on September 14, 2001 at 10:53:05 PT:
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I think that the proof-reading destroying "upsidasium" of which you complain is about 1,000% times more potent than the old 20% (by weight) "upsidasium" of our youth in the 1960's (I mean, just look at what it's done to my math skills; can something be ten times (1,000%) a weight concentration of 20%, i.e., can any substance be twice (200%) its own weight without gaining volume? [Not unless it's in black hole or in the mind of an anti speaking about the strength of today's pot, I think?]. Anyway, you better check the strength of your dose of "upsidasium", as it seems to have made you obsessed with pronoun confusion, even to the arguable detriment of meaning. Or, in my MJ crazed and obsessed quest for meaning, I have missed something in reading the other part of the post you wanted to correct? I can figure out the pronouns on my own, but what is with "The most beautiful planet on the face of the earth is a different place"? How many planets are on the face of the earth? And of those, how does a devoted aesthete determine which is the most beautiful? I am trying so damn to hard to smile, to find some humor -- with no Letterman, no Modern Humorist online, no new writing in The Onion, no Daily Show any of the past few days -- that I am trying, apparently with little success, to find humor in the "black hole" thinking of anti's math and the "upsidasium" induced grammatical and semiotic crises in a C-News post! Or is it "Cuz I Got High"? Trying to find something to smile about, I remain, Yours in "upsidasium", El-Toonces [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #7 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 10:18:55 PT |
In times like this I am proud to be an American. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #6 posted by Patrick on September 14, 2001 at 10:13:09 PT |
It is ok. I am crying too. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #5 posted by FoM on September 14, 2001 at 10:11:14 PT |
Darn it I'm crying again. They are singing Glory Glory Hallelujah. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #4 posted by theropinfool on September 14, 2001 at 09:43:49 PT |
'give there all' to give their all. Must be the 'upsidaisium'. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #3 posted by kaptinemo on September 14, 2001 at 09:19:05 PT:
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People at CNews have been warning of this, even before the present crisis. (And stop and think about that phrase: 'the present crisis'. They just seem to pop out of nowhere, but some of these have been years in the planning...by our own government.) Think back to the very legitimate worries many of us had about Y2K. About the possibility of the USG beginning a power grab with a possible computer crisis as an excuse? They had their plans, all right. I refer all and sundry to Executive Order 11490, Tricky Dick's own personal wet dream to take over the country, abolish State Government and consolidate The Nation into 10 Federal regions... Then there was Ronnies favorite plan, drawn up by Ol' Ollie North, himself: I VERY STRONGLY URGE YOU TO READ THIS ONE EXECUTIVE ORDERS:Bonfire of the Constitution It's still on the books. Then there's Klintons attempt to do the same thing...without even a crisis to justify it: Clinton Executive Order "REVOKES" 10th Amendment These are landmines in the road of a free people. Step on them by giving in to the temptation of 'increasing security' or other such nonesense, and we are all doomed. Those of us who've had a taste of how 'concerned' our(?) government is for our 'welfare' - by making us prisoners, tearing apart our families, destroying our livelihoods, and involving us in foreign civil wars - know all too well the dangers of granting government too much power. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #2 posted by theropinfool on September 14, 2001 at 09:18:14 PT |
The modern model of 'freedom and demockrazy' is not in any form to protect you or me. What has the gougerment done over the past 30 years or so? It has passed mandate after mandate furthering unnecessary intrusion into our lives. If it is not something that we put into our bodies, it is something that we say. If it is not something we say, it is something we do. If it is not something we do, it is something we think. Even smiles are illegal. Now, when there is big trouble on the horizon, who do all of the lawmakers beseechingly appeal? Osama bin Laden is not a model citizen by any means, and he has brutally awakened everybody on the earth. The most beautiful planet on the face of the earth is a different place. I hope the fools on the Hill can wake up, too. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. No foolin' from.... theropinfool [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #1 posted by jAHn PISSED on September 14, 2001 at 08:32:21 PT |
...that this is some action this Nation takes when its' tampered with. It's just Amazing, simply Amazing, that "American Security" seems like a word that only applies to protecting Anti-Druggies. In situations like these, how come these "Lawmakers" can't pass some Legislation to begin some Tight-Ass Surveilance? Oh, they save that for the Terrorists who poison children with pot, i bet would be an answer i'd HONESTLY get, if in fact, anyone in AmeriKKKa WERE honest...far cry!!! If this was someone buying a dime bag of pot, But...
This is just completely D E R A N G E D, you hear me? The day that people are required to have little-to-no experience for flying planes, yet can purchase if you have enough dough ( + stupidity ). In my little Opinion. [ Post Comment ] |
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