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Posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 10:47:03 PT
By Leslie Linthicum, Journal Staff Writer 
Source: Albuquerque Journal 

cannabisnews.com Two baby boomer guys, children of the 1960s, got together in Albuquerque on Monday to talk about drugs. But Gary Johnson, New Mexico's governor, and Asa Hutchinson, administrator of the nation's Drug Enforcement Administration — both trim Republicans with blue suits and conservative haircuts — could not have been farther apart on the direction the country's drug policies should take.

In an hour long national radio debate, Johnson, a 48-year-old former pot smoker, hammered home the message that has become his crusade:

Marijuana is not as harmful as alcohol and government resources are wasted in arresting and jailing pot smokers who otherwise do not break the law.

"I believe the war on drugs is an absolute, miserable failure," Johnson said.

Hutchinson, 50, and a former federal prosecutor who says he has never smoked a joint, faced a somewhat hostile crowd at the University of New Mexico's Continuing Education Center as he argued that marijuana use is harmful to individuals and society and that criminal penalties are the best approach to reducing use.

"Drug use is harmful," Hutchinson said. "I don't think you discourage use by saying we're not going to make it a criminal offense."

The debate, "Directing America's Drug War: Which Way To A Safer Society?", was staged and recorded for National Public Radio's "Justice Talking" program. It will air at 11 a.m. on Oct. 7 on KUNM, 89.9 FM, and other public radio stations nationwide. It also will be broadcast on C-SPAN.

The auditorium at the Continuing Education Center was full Monday, with more than 300 people in attendance. The crowd ranged from dark-suited DEA agents to pony-tailed men wearing bib overalls and sandals. But it weighed heavily toward Johnson's message of leniency.

Johnson was cheered repeatedly and Hutchinson was booed several times, despite NPR host Margot Adler's warnings that crowd responses were not welcome during the taping.

Johnson drew laughs when he lost his train of thought in the middle of an answer and won loud applause when he said, "The government assumes that everyone who smokes marijuana belongs in rehab. It's just not true."

Johnson's message — that marijuana, hard drugs, tobacco and alcohol hamper performance and are "bad choices" but should not be criminal offenses — has captured national attention.

The governor, a Libertarian-leaning former businessman, favors decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana. He would establish government-run clinics to dispense heroin and cocaine to addicts and run needle-exchange programs. He argues for counseling rather than jail time for possession of heroin and cocaine.

Hutchinson, newly appointed as the country's top drug cop, believes in treatment and education as an option for courts dealing with first-time marijuana offenders. But he takes a hard line on criminal penalties for harder drugs and continued commitment to the country's attack on drug trafficking.

The men disagreed on fundamental approaches to drug use and enforcement.

On the so-called "war on drugs," the federal government's 20-year-old attack on drug importation and trafficking, Hutchinson said stemming the flow will reduce supply, and the lack of availability will reduce use.

Johnson called interdiction efforts a failure.

"This is pissing in the wind," the governor said. "We're not having an impact. We're not stemming the influx of illegal drugs into this country."

On removing criminal penalties for marijuana use, Johnson said it is absurd to believe more people will smoke pot if it is legal.

Hutchinson said: "I don't think you reduce harm by legalizing another harmful substance. It is illogical."

Johnson has said he smoked pot in high school and used cocaine on occasion during college and into his 20s. He quit using drugs in his 20s and no longer drinks alcohol. Now a dedicated athlete, he eschews caffeine and rarely eats sugar.

Hutchinson said following the debate that he never tried marijuana even though he is of the generation that embraced a relaxed attitude toward drug experimentation.

Source: Albuquerque Journal (NM)
Author: Leslie Linthicum, Journal Staff Writer
Published: Tuesday, September 11, 2001
Copyright: 2001 Albuquerque Journal
Address: P.O. Drawer J, Albuquerque, N.M. 87103
Contact: opinion@abqjournal.com
Website: http://www.abqjournal.com/

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Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 12:49:54 PT
E-mail from MikeEEEE
This morning (about 9am) I was traveling on the New Jersey Turnpike when I seen something strange. I seen what looked like the World Trade Center on fire. At first I thought it was a smoke stack, because there's a lot of factories near New York City. Upon driving further I knew something was wrong, it still looked like it was on fire. I called my family from my cell phone and asked if something was wrong with the World Trade Center. They told me 2 jets crashed into the buildings.

At the client (near New York City) we watched the World Trade Center fall down. Right now I'm still in New Jersey, I can't go home because all the New York City bridges are closed. From my window here I could see the smoke, and where there was once 2 tall buildings, now there's none.

I really wish Bush wasn't in charge, I think he's retarted. The news media will be preoccupied by this event for days, probably ignoring important issues to us.

Peace,
MikeEEEEE


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Comment #17 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 12:40:11 PT
Morgan
Thank you so much!

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Comment #16 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 12:36:40 PT
Ethan
Welcome back from your conference.

You are so right as usual...

"It is all too easy and tempting to think of retribution on our enemies. We must ensure that we as Americans are not the victims of our own fears."

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Comment #15 posted by Morgan on September 11, 2001 at 12:27:12 PT
Report from the Debate
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

Anything I have to say about my impressions of the
debate last night will sound trite and inconsequential in
light of this morning's events. God help us all.

But anyway, here goes. Maybe this will prove to have
some kind of relevance someday.

I arrived early for the debate, thinking (hoping) that there
would be a heavy attendence. I was right.

I wandered around, checking things out. Lots of police
seeming to be waiting for the big guys to show up in a
roped off area in the back. Across the street in front was
a small group of protestors, with signs that said things
"Stop the Killing" and "The Drug War is a Farce". I ran
across (busy street) to talk with them and find out what
they were about.

They were wearing black t-shirts with 'Friends of
Justice' printed across the front. These were not your
normal college-type protestors one sees at these
events (though there were a few of those, Green Party
members from a neighboring county) but middle-aged
to retired, men and women who were from the
Tulia/Amarillo area who have been out and about
protesting the Drug War since the mass arrest in Tulia.
Major kudos to them for making the trip out here.

I went back across and sat on a park bench on the side
of the building, to have a smoke and write down a few
thoughts. About six police officers came over around
from the back and stood a few feet from me, looking at
the protestors across the street. They were ignoring me
as they talked among themselves. Overheard:

"What's that?"
"Potheads with signs. One says 'Stop the Killing'.
"Says what?"
"Stop the Killing."
"Well, thats what you get if you smoke that pot."

I had to smile at this bit of ignorance, which one cop
noticed, who smiled back.

I went in to get a seat and passed by a news crew
interviewing Rep. Ron Godby, a major and vocal
opponent of Gov. Johnson's ideas. He said something
to the effect of if the police brought in some drug
sniffing dogs that half the crowd would be arrested. I
looked around at the crowd filing in, and just from
appearances, saw a very balanced cross section of the
American public. Young and old, suits and jeans,
blue-collar, white collar, no collar, male, female, white
hispanic, native. I saw one guy with dreads. What was
he seeing that I didn't?

The auditorium was comprised of a stage upon which
were three podiums. Three big cameras were in front of
the stage, set at eye-level and many smaller ones up in
the balcony. Seats were arranged in a semi-circle
around the stage, two levels, plus some folding seats
were set up in the middle. I counted the seats (ten
across, five deep, etc.) and figured the place could hold
about five hundred people. And it was standing room
only. Many people were sitting in the aisles.

At 4:00pm, when the procedings were scheduled to
start, people were still milling about, a few were getting
their picture taken with Gov. Johnson up near the stage.
They finally started around ten after, doing sound
checks, warning the audience not to make any noise
during the broadcast, and got seriously into it around
4:20. (I kid you not.) We sat and listened to a
pre-recorded lead in of different people talking about
their experiences with the War on Drugs. Then the
debate started. I won't go into detail about who said
what, you'll be able to listen to it on PBS (Oct. 11?)

But throughout the debate, I could tell that the crowd
was heavily behind Gov. Johnson at a percentage of
about 20 to 1. (As was I...sorry, there goes my
journalistic objectivity.) Even though we were warned
not to make any noise such as applause, that didn't last
too long. Especially when Asa Hutchison was
shoveling the usual government polititalk.

He was good, I have to give him that. Right suit, right
hair, right voice, 'right' words. But the audience seemed
to be very 'hip' to this kind of government talk, and were
having none of it. What started out as barely controlled
laughter and snorts to some of the statements he
made grew into outright shouts of 'Not True!' and 'Liar!'
and an actual chorus of Boos when Asa challenged
Gary that he didn't even have the New Mexico
legislature behind him (insinuating that the people
were not behind this). I hope our boos in response
made it clear that we don't feel that the Legislature was
an accurate representation of our feelings. (As it ideally
should be.)

One part that stands out in my mind was during the
open question section, when Asa was asked by a
teenager – "What did he feel caused the most damage
to a family, a kid smoking a joint, or arresting that kid
and throwing him in jail?" Asa launched into the most
incomprehensable piece of politico double-speak that I
have ever witnessed. Listen for it. And if anybody can
explain what his answer was, I'll stick a gold star on
your forehead.

All in all, it was a very entertaining evening. After
experiencing about forty years of staid, controlled
political 'debates', this was breath of fresh air. I think
what I actually witnessed was the Drug war gravy train
coming off the tracks.

Too bad it will be forgotten under the weight of today's
earth-shaking tragedy.

Morgan

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Comment #14 posted by Robbie on September 11, 2001 at 12:23:39 PT
Waytago Sled!!!

I'm surprised somebody didn't warn Hutch off of this. Pro drug-war debaters never win, and they shouldve known Hutch wouldnt be up to it.

I'm eager to see it. Do you think we'll ever see an unedited version?

***My hopes and prayers to all those affected by today's events. The tragedy notwithstanding, the Drug War must come to an end. There are more important things***



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Comment #13 posted by Ethan Russo, MD on September 11, 2001 at 12:22:52 PT:

Far Away, But Close to Heart
It is difficult for everyone in this country to concentrate on anything but the tragedy, worry about friends and relatives, and pondering of its meaning.

I am here safe in Montana, but flew out of National Airport just 48 hours ago-- what if?

Our country will persevere. We will mourn the dead, and our lost innocence. My greatest worry is that these events will allow the declaration of martial law, and further erosion in our civil liberties. That cannot be permitted. The best result for the terrorists would be a paralysis of America, and a war against its own people. That is another reason that the War on Drugs must end right now. We need to have confidence in common goals, and appreciation for law enforcement and the military without the fear that they are our adversaries.

It is all too easy and tempting to think of retribution on our enemies. We must ensure that we as Americans are not the victims of our own fears.

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Comment #12 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 12:05:13 PT
FoM
No problem :)

I still find it spooky or maybe curious that is.

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Comment #11 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 12:00:37 PT
Sled
Thank you so much for the latest on the debate. I will be anxious to compare raw footage to CSPAN version?

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Comment #10 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:58:31 PT
Got it
Thanks Patrick, Im really dense sometimes.

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Comment #9 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 11:57:01 PT
The date.
is 911. 911 = emergency

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Comment #8 posted by Sled on September 11, 2001 at 11:56:00 PT
The Debate - The Rest Of The Story
The Albuquerque Journal's story is fairly accurate of what actually took place. A few misses, but close.....

Here's my take of the event

*****************


I was there. Hutch stuck with the usual line & the Gov. wiped the
floor with him. The crowd was overwhelmingly friendly toward the Gov.
& reform. Drew strong applause for the Gov. & boos for Hutch. An
occasional very light applause for Hutch. Only his agents & cronies
supported him at all & there were only a few of them present.

If anything, Hutch got laughed at more than anything & it wasn't all
reformers there, by any means. A lot of gray heads in the audience &
they supported reform.

Hutch stuck to the latest buzzwords, with "traffickers" his favorite.
No doubt, he watched the movie & that's all that he came away with.

IMHO, he didn't take the Gov. seriously prior to debate, didn't have a
clue what the Gov.'s positions were, thought everyone there would be
for his position, walked into a minefield, & stepped on every mine in
sight.

He was flustered, completely bereft of knowledge of this subject,
became red-faced a number of times, & blew the whole thing, so what
else is new. The guy is way out of his league.

I made a tape of the whole thing, even though they requested that
everyone turn of any recorders. I'm sure I'm not alone. With all the
video cameras in evidence, I think a a clandestine copy should be
available shortly.

C-Span taped it for later broadcast & if they don't censor it heavily,
you'll be very pleasantly surprised.

Hutch got his ass kicked & then some.

Live from the front.....

Sled



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Comment #7 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:50:21 PT
Patrick
Please hang around here. I know we could lose communication. We are filling water jugs in case we lose power. I was out with my son right after the North Ridge Quake and it's best to have certain necessities around. My husband has to take a load of steel into Chicago loading tomorrow. I'm not sure if he will take it. A lot depends on where this all goes. I'm sorry but the date doesn't ring a bell. I'm terrible about remembering dates.

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Comment #6 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 11:45:31 PT
FoM you are very welcome.
Is it just me? or is there something spooky about today's date being 9/11? FoM, I hope you don't mind but as long as the Net and cable TV remains up? I'll be hangin around with you to hear some goodnews here.

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Comment #5 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:39:15 PT
Thanks Patrick
This might sound weird but today is unreal to begin with. As we watch the news evolving I think the drug war will be over real soon. The reason why is if we go to war things change and there won't be time or resources to continue the drug war. I could be wrong but I might be right. I seem to be saying that a lot lately.

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Comment #4 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 11:29:39 PT
Shock
This is truly a sad day in America. Following is the latest link to the world reaction:

http://cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/11/trade.centre.reaction


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Comment #3 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:29:15 PT
Photos
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-worldtrade-pix1.photogallery?coll=chi%2Dnewsbreaking%2Dhed

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Comment #2 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:21:23 PT
Robbie
I hope everyone is ok. I went to check my email and it is messing up. I'm trying to find out information on my son's father who lives and works in Manhattan. So far I haven't heard anything from his Mother. I'm going to reboot and see if that clears up my email problem.

We will now go to war.

This I'm afraid is just the beginning. God help us all.

Here is current news on this horrible event. Please feel free to use C News to talk. This is what it does so well.

I'm only doing news on Governor Johnson's debate. I will let the rest go because there will be no hearings on Walters nomination. If an article on Colin Powell returning from Colombia comes up I will post it.

http://www.newsindex.com/cgi-bin/process.cgi?query=world+trade+center+pentagon+terrorist+pittsburgh+airline"

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Comment #1 posted by Robbie on September 11, 2001 at 11:12:44 PT
New York

I hope everyone in the C News family is alright.

Its a hellish day.

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