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Posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 10:47:03 PT By Leslie Linthicum, Journal Staff Writer Source: Albuquerque Journal Two baby boomer guys, children of the 1960s, got together in Albuquerque on Monday to talk about drugs. But Gary Johnson, New Mexico's governor, and Asa Hutchinson, administrator of the nation's Drug Enforcement Administration — both trim Republicans with blue suits and conservative haircuts — could not have been farther apart on the direction the country's drug policies should take. In an hour long national radio debate, Johnson, a 48-year-old former pot smoker, hammered home the message that has become his crusade: Marijuana is not as harmful as alcohol and government resources are wasted in arresting and jailing pot smokers who otherwise do not break the law. "I believe the war on drugs is an absolute, miserable failure," Johnson said. Hutchinson, 50, and a former federal prosecutor who says he has never smoked a joint, faced a somewhat hostile crowd at the University of New Mexico's Continuing Education Center as he argued that marijuana use is harmful to individuals and society and that criminal penalties are the best approach to reducing use. "Drug use is harmful," Hutchinson said. "I don't think you discourage use by saying we're not going to make it a criminal offense." The debate, "Directing America's Drug War: Which Way To A Safer Society?", was staged and recorded for National Public Radio's "Justice Talking" program. It will air at 11 a.m. on Oct. 7 on KUNM, 89.9 FM, and other public radio stations nationwide. It also will be broadcast on C-SPAN. The auditorium at the Continuing Education Center was full Monday, with more than 300 people in attendance. The crowd ranged from dark-suited DEA agents to pony-tailed men wearing bib overalls and sandals. But it weighed heavily toward Johnson's message of leniency. Johnson was cheered repeatedly and Hutchinson was booed several times, despite NPR host Margot Adler's warnings that crowd responses were not welcome during the taping. Johnson drew laughs when he lost his train of thought in the middle of an answer and won loud applause when he said, "The government assumes that everyone who smokes marijuana belongs in rehab. It's just not true." Johnson's message — that marijuana, hard drugs, tobacco and alcohol hamper performance and are "bad choices" but should not be criminal offenses — has captured national attention. The governor, a Libertarian-leaning former businessman, favors decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana. He would establish government-run clinics to dispense heroin and cocaine to addicts and run needle-exchange programs. He argues for counseling rather than jail time for possession of heroin and cocaine. Hutchinson, newly appointed as the country's top drug cop, believes in treatment and education as an option for courts dealing with first-time marijuana offenders. But he takes a hard line on criminal penalties for harder drugs and continued commitment to the country's attack on drug trafficking. The men disagreed on fundamental approaches to drug use and enforcement. On the so-called "war on drugs," the federal government's 20-year-old attack on drug importation and trafficking, Hutchinson said stemming the flow will reduce supply, and the lack of availability will reduce use. Johnson called interdiction efforts a failure. "This is pissing in the wind," the governor said. "We're not having an impact. We're not stemming the influx of illegal drugs into this country." On removing criminal penalties for marijuana use, Johnson said it is absurd to believe more people will smoke pot if it is legal. Hutchinson said: "I don't think you reduce harm by legalizing another harmful substance. It is illogical." Johnson has said he smoked pot in high school and used cocaine on occasion during college and into his 20s. He quit using drugs in his 20s and no longer drinks alcohol. Now a dedicated athlete, he eschews caffeine and rarely eats sugar. Hutchinson said following the debate that he never tried marijuana even though he is of the generation that embraced a relaxed attitude toward drug experimentation. Source: Albuquerque Journal (NM) Related Articles & Web Sites: Justice Talking Governor Gary Johnson's Home Page Dope Debate Leaders Discuss Drug War Policy Pro-Pot Governor Debates DEA Chief N.M. Gov. Debates Legalizing Drugs with DEA Home Comment Email Register Recent Comments Help |
Comment #18 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 12:49:54 PT |
This morning (about 9am) I was traveling on the New Jersey Turnpike when I seen something strange. I seen what looked like the World Trade Center on fire. At first I thought it was a smoke stack, because there's a lot of factories near New York City. Upon driving further I knew something was wrong, it still looked like it was on fire. I called my family from my cell phone and asked if something was wrong with the World Trade Center. They told me 2 jets crashed into the buildings. At the client (near New York City) we watched the World Trade Center fall down. Right now I'm still in New Jersey, I can't go home because all the New York City bridges are closed. From my window here I could see the smoke, and where there was once 2 tall buildings, now there's none. I really wish Bush wasn't in charge, I think he's retarted. The news media will be preoccupied by this event for days, probably ignoring important issues to us. Peace, [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #17 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 12:40:11 PT |
Thank you so much! [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #16 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 12:36:40 PT |
Welcome back from your conference. You are so right as usual... "It is all too easy and tempting to think of retribution on our enemies. We must ensure that we as Americans are not the victims of our own fears." [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #15 posted by Morgan on September 11, 2001 at 12:27:12 PT |
ALBUQUERQUE, NM Anything I have to say about my impressions of the But anyway, here goes. Maybe this will prove to have I arrived early for the debate, thinking (hoping) that there I wandered around, checking things out. Lots of police They were wearing black t-shirts with 'Friends of I went back across and sat on a park bench on the side "What's that?" I had to smile at this bit of ignorance, which one cop I went in to get a seat and passed by a news crew The auditorium was comprised of a stage upon which At 4:00pm, when the procedings were scheduled to But throughout the debate, I could tell that the crowd He was good, I have to give him that. Right suit, right One part that stands out in my mind was during the All in all, it was a very entertaining evening. After Too bad it will be forgotten under the weight of today's Morgan ***********************************************************
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Comment #14 posted by Robbie on September 11, 2001 at 12:23:39 PT |
I'm surprised somebody didn't warn Hutch off of this. Pro drug-war debaters never win, and they shouldve known Hutch wouldnt be up to it. I'm eager to see it. Do you think we'll ever see an unedited version? ***My hopes and prayers to all those affected by today's events. The tragedy notwithstanding, the Drug War must come to an end. There are more important things*** [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #13 posted by Ethan Russo, MD on September 11, 2001 at 12:22:52 PT:
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It is difficult for everyone in this country to concentrate on anything but the tragedy, worry about friends and relatives, and pondering of its meaning. I am here safe in Montana, but flew out of National Airport just 48 hours ago-- what if? Our country will persevere. We will mourn the dead, and our lost innocence. My greatest worry is that these events will allow the declaration of martial law, and further erosion in our civil liberties. That cannot be permitted. The best result for the terrorists would be a paralysis of America, and a war against its own people. That is another reason that the War on Drugs must end right now. We need to have confidence in common goals, and appreciation for law enforcement and the military without the fear that they are our adversaries. It is all too easy and tempting to think of retribution on our enemies. We must ensure that we as Americans are not the victims of our own fears. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #12 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 12:05:13 PT |
No problem :) I still find it spooky or maybe curious that is. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #11 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 12:00:37 PT |
Thank you so much for the latest on the debate. I will be anxious to compare raw footage to CSPAN version? [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #10 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:58:31 PT |
Thanks Patrick, Im really dense sometimes. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #9 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 11:57:01 PT |
is 911. 911 = emergency [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #8 posted by Sled on September 11, 2001 at 11:56:00 PT |
The Albuquerque Journal's story is fairly accurate of what actually took place. A few misses, but close..... Here's my take of the event *****************
If anything, Hutch got laughed at more than anything & it wasn't all Hutch stuck to the latest buzzwords, with "traffickers" his favorite. IMHO, he didn't take the Gov. seriously prior to debate, didn't have a He was flustered, completely bereft of knowledge of this subject, I made a tape of the whole thing, even though they requested that C-Span taped it for later broadcast & if they don't censor it heavily, Hutch got his ass kicked & then some. Live from the front..... Sled [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #7 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:50:21 PT |
Please hang around here. I know we could lose communication. We are filling water jugs in case we lose power. I was out with my son right after the North Ridge Quake and it's best to have certain necessities around. My husband has to take a load of steel into Chicago loading tomorrow. I'm not sure if he will take it. A lot depends on where this all goes. I'm sorry but the date doesn't ring a bell. I'm terrible about remembering dates. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #6 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 11:45:31 PT |
Is it just me? or is there something spooky about today's date being 9/11? FoM, I hope you don't mind but as long as the Net and cable TV remains up? I'll be hangin around with you to hear some goodnews here. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #5 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:39:15 PT |
This might sound weird but today is unreal to begin with. As we watch the news evolving I think the drug war will be over real soon. The reason why is if we go to war things change and there won't be time or resources to continue the drug war. I could be wrong but I might be right. I seem to be saying that a lot lately. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #4 posted by Patrick on September 11, 2001 at 11:29:39 PT |
This is truly a sad day in America. Following is the latest link to the world reaction: http://cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/11/trade.centre.reaction [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #3 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:29:15 PT |
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-worldtrade-pix1.photogallery?coll=chi%2Dnewsbreaking%2Dhed [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #2 posted by FoM on September 11, 2001 at 11:21:23 PT |
I hope everyone is ok. I went to check my email and it is messing up. I'm trying to find out information on my son's father who lives and works in Manhattan. So far I haven't heard anything from his Mother. I'm going to reboot and see if that clears up my email problem. We will now go to war. This I'm afraid is just the beginning. God help us all. Here is current news on this horrible event. Please feel free to use C News to talk. This is what it does so well. I'm only doing news on Governor Johnson's debate. I will let the rest go because there will be no hearings on Walters nomination. If an article on Colin Powell returning from Colombia comes up I will post it. [ Post Comment ] |
Comment #1 posted by Robbie on September 11, 2001 at 11:12:44 PT |
I hope everyone in the C News family is alright. Its a hellish day. [ Post Comment ] |
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