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  Colombian Deal With Rebels Is Vexing U.S.
Posted by FoM on August 22, 2001 at 23:13:45 PT
By Christopher Marquis 
Source: New York Times 

justice Bush administration officials are voicing rising impatience with the concessions President Andrés Pastrana of Colombia has granted to leftist rebels in his country. The officials say that a large swath of territory ceded to the guerrillas is being used to train terrorists, run prison camps and traffic in drugs.

Although public statements have been supportive of President Pastrana, a top State Department official, Marc Grossman, who is planning a fact-finding trip to Colombia next week, will discuss these concerns, officials said today.

The suspension of peace talks this month with the second largest rebel group, the National Liberation Army, has left the administration persuaded that "there is no reason to believe there will be any substantive agreement with either of the groups in the near term," a senior official said.

The Americans expressed concern that the leading rebel group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, is using a Switzerland- sized swath of territory it controls to learn bomb-making techniques from the Irish Republican Army and to operate dismal mobile prisons for captured police officers and other enemies.

Mr. Pastrana ceded the demilitarized zone, known is Spanish as the despeje, to the FARC as a peace gesture in 1998. "The despeje is being badly misused," the senior official said.

Mr. Pastrana's government has received nearly $1 billion in mostly military aid from Washington, and stands to take in hundreds of millions more.

Mr. Grossman, the under secretary of state for political affairs, will lead a delegation to Colombia that will stop first in Mexico before arriving in Colombia on Aug. 29, officials said. He will be accompanied by officials responsible for national security, drugs, development projects and justice-related issues.

Officials said Mr. Grossman would raise American concerns that concessions to the guerrillas have proved fruitless and undercut President Pastrana's leverage in peace talks, officials said.

Mr. Pastrana took office in 1998 pledging to bring peace. He now has just a year remaining in office and must decide in October whether to renew the demilitarized zone.

Colombian officials said he is likely to do so, so as not to deal a mortal blow to peace negotiations. They voiced hopes that military operations under way in the jungle regions of Meta and Guaviare would strengthen their leverage in future talks. The zone, in addition to other territory held by the guerrillas , has left the FARC in control of about 90,000 civilians, and Mr. Pastrana is facing mounting domestic and international pressure to act against rebel abuses there.

Administration officials expressed particular outrage this week at the arrest of three men suspected of being members of the Irish Republican Army on charges that they were training FARC rebels in urban warfare tactics. According to the Colombian police, the men, who included the Havana-based representative of Sinn Fein, the I.R.A.'s political arm, spent six weeks this summer training rebels in the demilitarized zone.

"No one should be in doubt about the seriousness with which we take such charges," said a State Department spokesman, Philip Reeker. "Any collaboration with the FARC by an individual or organization is of utmost concern to us."

The three men — Niall Connolly, Martin McCauley and James Monaghan — were formally charged this week, though American officials said the evidence against them, including residue from explosives, was probably insufficient to convict them.

Cuban authorities said Mr. Connolly has been Sinn Fein's representative for Latin America; administration officials said they have nothing to indicate Cuban complicity in the reported I.R.A. training.

Administration officials said the suspected I.R.A. link suggests that the FARC rebels are preparing to step up attacks on Colombian cities.

The policy makers also cited testimony from several Colombian police officers that the rebels are operating prison camps inside the demilitarized zone. A cable from the American Embassy in Bogotá, which was provided to The New York Times, recounted the travails of four policemen who had been held by the guerrillas for nearly three years before their release in June.

It said that the officers, along with dozens of their colleagues, were bound by the wrist and neck, underwent forced marches, received meager rations, were confined to sweltering makeshift cells, were denied medical attention and were repeatedly threatened with death.

Source: New York Times (NY)
Author: Christopher Marquis
Published: August 23, 2001
Copyright: 2001 The New York Times Company
Contact: letters@nytimes.com
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Comment #7 posted by Patrick on August 24, 2001 at 00:27:12 PT
sillyman
They didn't get my vote either. I was just piseed off and ranting. Sorry. Thank goodness for this site!

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Comment #6 posted by sillyman on August 23, 2001 at 12:00:31 PT
patrick
patrick,

They didn't get my stamp of approval. I voted libertarian.

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Comment #5 posted by Patrick on August 23, 2001 at 10:08:20 PT
dddd says...
I'm gettin' really disgusted with this crap,,,it's way beyond out of control,,it's raw,blatant,and absurd evil empire!....It's a world class wound in reality, and freedom, that is unlikely to ever heal.......Lord have mercy,,,,He will need it!

And I completely agree. This country has gone to hell and I doubt there is any mercy for it. People will still say, "We may have our problems but it is still the best damn country in the world!" To which I ask them, "Prove IT!!!" If these people think they live in the best country because they are "FREE" and have a Bill of Rights to protect that freedom they are so sadly mistaken. We have a Congressman that gave up his "seat in the House" so he can pursue and lock up the sick and dying! All because the highest court in the land has suddenly become medical experts. There is a WAR in this country and it ain't about drugs anymore. It is now about overthrowing Tyranny. These government Nazi's are using the "drug war" as a cover for the enslavery of all americans. If not actually behind bars you are enslaved to the system of tax and do as we say. How many voter initiatives in this country have been overturned by courts or declared unconstitutional. This is not democracy. Democracy is DEAD. We have a government by the government for the government. It lives off the perpetual labors of the people enslaved to it. I am seriously considering leaving this land for good. It has become the epitome of corruption and evil. I used to be proud to be an american. Now I am just scared. I have a job, a home, and live an average life, minding my own business etc. and the government can hardly wait to take it all away from me because I like to smoke a little pot occasionally instead of smoking its legal killer tobacco.

Speaking of tobacco and legal substances. I quit smoking cigs almost 2 years ago. Yippee! It was a $220 a month habit. That's about 2-3 packs a day and yes it was literally poisoning me to death. But hey its legal and the government gets its greedy little share with a smile. At that time I also smoked about $40 worth of pot every two months (street value). Well I figure that if I grow my own pot now, I won't contribute any more money to "street crime." Except that raising little plants in my own american(land of the imprisoned) backyard garden is a CRIME too!

Hell, if I was the president and wanted to drill for oil in my alaskan backyard where it is forbidden? I can just change the law and make it legal. Who is gonna stop me? The sheeple? LOL. Come on over Asa and John lets get blowjobs from interns and count our money!

Bush administration officials are voicing rising impatience with the concessions President Andrés Pastrana of Colombia has granted to leftist rebels in his country.

I suppose it is too much to ask for our damn president to focus on the problems of his own people and nation. A nation by the way which locks up more citizens per capita than any other "western democracy" on the earth. That is not Freedom folks. That is Tyranny and Totalitarianism with your stamp of approval every time you vote.


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Comment #4 posted by kaptinemo on August 23, 2001 at 05:42:42 PT:

Some more parallels
Vietnam Deception: Fraser Attacks US
http://rubens.anu.edu.au/student.projects/vietnam/public_html/austart.html

DESTROYING THE COUNTRY TO SAVE IT: THE U.S. WAR ON VIETNAM, 1960-1968
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/fbb3.htm

from the link:
"For the RVN, the biggest crisis in 1963 was religious turmoil. The Ngo family had favored Catholics in administrative and military matters since 1954, and began to repress the majority Buddhists--which they saw, with reason, as a political enemy--more intensely in the spring, forbidding them from celebrating Buddha's birthday and even sending troops into their temples to attack and kill the faithful.

"Then, on 10 June, a monk named Quang Duc sat down in the middle of a busy Saigon street, doused himself with gasoline, and lit himself on fire to protest the Diemist repression of his people. The world's media, tipped off by the Buddhists, were there and Quang Duc's story and photo were front page news worldwide. Madame Nhu, ever tactful, referred to the immolation as a "Buddhist barbecue" and offered to supply fuel for the next one. For his part, Diem continued to strike at the Buddhists. After nearly a decade of supporting the RVN and the Ngos, it was finally clear that Diem and his brother were beyond rehabilitation. The United States, which had followed a policy of "sink or swim with Ngo Dinh Diem," finally accepted his overthrow on 1 November 1963 in a coup led by ARVN officers in which Diem and Nhu were both killed. Publicly, the Buddhist situation had become, so to speak, incendiary, and it was impossible to credibly claim that America was fighting for "democracy" in Vietnam so long as the Ngos were in power."

"There was, however, a private yet probably more important reason behind the U.S. abandonment of Diem. His brother Nhu, also aware that the regime's days were numbered, began to make overtures to the NLF about a negotiated settlement and the establishment of a coalition, neutral government in the south, with the Ngos and the Front both included.

Killing Buddhists may have been awfully distasteful, but going behind American backs to discuss an end to the civil war was unforgivable. Afraid that peace might break out short of victory, Kennedy reiterated the American commitment to Vietnam in late 1963. In interviews with TV anchormen Chet Huntley and Walter Cronkite shortly before his death, JFK insisted that Vietnam was "a very important struggle" and that withdrawal "only makes it easy for the Communists. I think we should stay."(9) Despite recognizing the laundry list of military and political shortcomings and barriers to success in the RVN, and sending 16,000 advisors and billions of dollars to that point with little noticeable improvement, JFK was not retreating from his commitment in Vietnam."

You can almost smell the napalm.




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Comment #3 posted by rabblerouser on August 23, 2001 at 05:26:36 PT
food
Maybe if the international food conglomerates hadn't dumped cheap foodstuffs into Colombia, the local farmers there would have retained their market and would not have had to turn to coca to make ends meet. The supply exceeded demand and everything went kaput. Now, demand for coca is greater than the supply. They know which side of their bread is buttered.

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Comment #2 posted by dddd on August 23, 2001 at 05:25:03 PT
Another Gem of World Class Bullshit Propaganda
.....Did you hear?..Mexican rebels have been holding secret meetings in Nova Scotia,
and they are planning overthrow the government of Utah,where they will then
gain control of strategic areas of the Grand Canyon.Reports have been
surfacing in Ogden that these rebels have been selling Oxycontin and
Exstacy to school children in Salt Lake City......

GOOD FREEKIN' GRIEF

>"The Americans expressed concern that the leading rebel group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, is using a Switzerland- sized swath of territory it controls to learn bomb-making techniques from the Irish Republican Army and to operate dismal mobile prisons for captured police officers and other enemies. "<

Talk about a pile of unsubstantiated ,heresay bullshit!......My favorite line is
the "..dismal mobile prisons for captured police officers and other enemies. "
What a pile of raw propaganda CRAP!....What about the dismal American prisons
for captured Marijuana smokers,and other enemies?

This article is museum quality propaganda,written,and served up to the sheeple
by the best bullshitters your tax money can buy.........
..Which reminds me of another huge chunk of raw bullshit,,and that is the
term;"budget surplus",,,what a cruel joke on the masses!,,as if there was
some way that the government ended up with billions of extra dollars that
they innocently overcollected in taxes.....gimme a motherf****** Freekin break!

I'm gettin' really disgusted with this crap,,,it's way beyond out of control,,it's
raw,blatant,and absurd evil empire!....It's a world class wound in reality,and freedom,
that is unlikely to ever heal.......Lord have mercy,,,,He will need it!

dddd




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Comment #1 posted by kaptinemo on August 23, 2001 at 05:20:54 PT:

The knives are coming out
Antis are always shrieking, "Colombia will not be another Viet Nam! Colombia will not be another Viet Nam!"

I invite the curious to go here:
The Fall of Ngo Dinh Diem
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~eemoise/viet6.html

and take a good long look at the parallels:

"Although public statements have been supportive of President Pastrana, a top State Department official, Marc Grossman, who is planning a fact-finding trip to Colombia next week, will discuss these concerns, officials said today."

From the provided link:

"The United States had been sending money, equipment, and a few men to Vietnam ever since the early 1950's. From 1960 to 1962, as the guerrilla war expanded, US aid increased. The US was not as yet willing to send in ground troops, although ARVN units going out on combat operations were often accompanied by US officers as advisors. US Air Force pilots, however, conducted direct combat operations in South Vietnam. Policy required that a Vietnamese go along on such flights, so the US could pretend that the missions were being carried out by the Vietnamese, with the Americans simply helping.

The top US officials in Vietnam tried to be optimistic, and tried to create the impression that Ngo Dinh Diem was a magnificent and popular leader who was winning the war. A few American reporters were saying that something was seriously wrong, but the US Embassy in Saigon did its best to discredit them. In 1963 it became apparent that the Embassy's optimistic view was not tenable. Diem's desire to avoid casualties was preventing the ARVN from taking the offensive in the countryside. The corruption and brutality of his officials were continuing to alienate the peasants. Diem was totally unresponsive to US suggestions that he reform his government.

And a little further on:

"The US government realized, in the summer of 1963, that the Diem government was hopeless. It was corrupt, incompetent, and dictatorial; hardly anyone in South Vietnam, even its own officers, liked or respected it very much. If the war against the Communists were to be won, Ngo Dinh Diem would have to go.

US officials in Saigon therefore began encouraging ARVN officers to overthrow Diem. Within a few months the officers were ready, and Diem was overthrown and shot. The Americans were distressed at his death--the US would have preferred to see Diem in exile, living off the tremendous wealth his family had accumulated in foreign bank accounts--but the officers who carried out the coup in November 1963 did not feel it would really be safe or desirable to leave Diem alive.

There were 'suggestions'. There were 'fact-finding missions'. There were 'high-level discussions'.

And when those soft strokes with the velvet glove weren't enough, down came the iron fist...with a fusillade of bullets. Scratch one reluctant US ally with delusions of equality with his de facto masters.

Mr. Pastrana, I hope you are student of history: the US has a nasty tendency of discarding it's 'allies' who entertain such fictions, in favor of replacing them with indigs who have no such illusions of where they stand vis-à-vis Uncle.


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