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  Dusting of Colombian Crops Questioned
Posted by FoM on August 21, 2001 at 06:55:02 PT
By Tod Robberson, The Dallas Morning News 
Source: Dallas Morning News 

science The policy battles in Washington over the future of America's drug war probably were furthest from Sebastiana Jamioi's mind when she surveyed her withered crops last week, wondering how she would feed her family over the next year.

The quick inventory was bleak. One acre of corn, dead. Half an acre of beans, dead. Half an acre of potatoes, dead. One-eighth of an acre of opium poppies, blossoming and thriving. "Everything we had for food is gone," she said. "That's all we had for this year's harvest."

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Comment #25 posted by dddd on August 22, 2001 at 14:35:01 PT
website
worth seeing

http://www.tni.org/drugs/

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Comment #24 posted by Doug on August 22, 2001 at 09:53:57 PT
My Two Cents
Though with inflation that expression should be "My Two Dollars".

Yes, the United States has replaced the Soviet Union in terms of repression, but the Soviet's role was always distorted by the America media and government propaganda. We all need a villian to point at and say, "If you don't behave, you'll turn out like those people." It is ironic that once the Soaviet Union fell, the United States rushed i to fill the void. As Michael Moore said, "One Evil Empire down, one to go."

And yes, Truman set the stage for McCarthy. This is something few people are aware of, and it shows the lie to the belief that the Democrats are necessarily "better" than the Republicans. The case can also be made that Carter set the stage for Reagan (Chomsky has made this argument) and I think it's clear that Clinton set the stage for Bush II, just as Bush I/Reagan set the stage for Clinton. It really is like one party, the Corporate Party.

And then there was the National Security Act of 1947 that was passed under Truman's administration, that set the stage for the cold war and the military-industrial complex to take over in the next few years.

I'm sure a lot more than a few dozen people read this site. I don't remember the exact ratio between contributers and lurkers on web sites like this, though the figures do exist, but it is a fairly large number.


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Comment #23 posted by kaptinemo on August 22, 2001 at 04:24:52 PT:

Lehder, it was Herman Goering who said it
Surprising thing to come out of the mouth of the man who practically gutted the museums of Europe of their art treasures and collected them for himself.

At gunpoint, of course.

Rather like Georgie Too, willing to lock up someone and throw away the key - or throw the switch on the electric chair - for getting caught doing what he was doing.

Got Coke?
http://drugwar.8m.com/bushbag.htm

Genocide is not too strong a word to describe what is happening in Colombia...with his off-handed blessing. It's not just the campesinos getting drenched with organo-phosphates; it's the native peoples in the bush who are also catching Hell from this spraying. Between the Colombian army, the 'contractors', the paras, and the Rebels, they are being wiped out culturally as well as physically. Extinction can take many forms. But so long as the natives get wiped out and are no longer impeding the 'development' of the oil patches there, that's all right with him. No humans, no human right's abuse claimants.

As for that girl? I am reminded of something that happened in 1990: at the same time two events around the world were taking place: the bloody (for the indigs) US invasion of Panama, and the Rumanian Revolution.

History was being made before our eyes. The Warsaw Pact was falling apart before our eyes. The events millions had prayed for, for decades, were finally coming to pass. Meanwhile, at the same time one nation was freeing itself, another was being ground up under Uncle's boot-heel...ostensibly because it's leader was dabbling with drug trafficking. Untold thousands were dying as we watched talking heads blathering in cold, sterile tones about 'military action'. News flashes were being braodcast every few minutes on the Tube. And what did my roomie have to say about it?

She was pissed.

It was interrupting her soap operas.

Ol' Albert Einstein was right when he said it was minorities within a population that foment change. Because the rest simply either haven't a clue...or they don't give a damn. Until, that is, they hear the jackboots kicking against their door. And by then it's way too late.

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Comment #22 posted by Rambler on August 22, 2001 at 03:48:20 PT
sharks
Shark attacks in U.S. last year: 51
Shark attacks in U.S. this year: 29

Shark attacks in Florida last year: 34
Shark attacks in Florida this year: 22

Shark attacks worldwide last year: 79
Shark attacks worldwide this year: 40

[International Shark Attack File, University of Florida; Washington Post]

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Comment #21 posted by lookinside on August 21, 2001 at 21:58:05 PT:

a letter to the sacramento bee....
Dear sirs,
I've subscribed to your newspaper nearly continuously for
many years. I was a Bee carrier in my teens.
Over the last few years, I've come to rely on the Internet
for more and more information.
Your publication does not meet my expectations concerning
the real issues of our time.
(1)The degradation of our Constitutional rights.
(2)The United States' involvement in Columbia. Honest
coverage of "Plan Columbia". The damage that our country is
causing there with aerial spraying.
(3)The real reasons for our building economic downturn. It
is my considered opinion that the people of the U.S. are
scared. They have no faith in the current administration.
(4)Recent foreign criticism of our country's policies.

Your front page parrots the sensationalism seen every night
on television. Our "news" services are far more interested
in the bedroom antics of minor politicians and sensational
crimes, such as the murders of the russian family. These
stories are news. They do not deserve banner headlines. But
you will have them on page A1 front and center. Day after
day after day.

I believe that there is a "media blackout" of news that may
enlighten the American people about issues like the upturn
in fuel prices. The corruption in our government. Our
corrupt legal system. The United States' involvement in
foreign countries and the pressure brought to bear to make
those countries bow to the U.S. will. What really happened
in our last presidential election. The death of a true two
party system.

In my opinion, you are failing in your duty as a source of
information relevent to our lives.

Frank L. Cowsert Jr.


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Comment #20 posted by dddd on August 21, 2001 at 20:56:01 PT
Pontifex
The drugpig who offerred to stand in the coca
field during spraying was none other than Rand Beers.

dddd

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Comment #19 posted by Charlie on August 21, 2001 at 19:37:33 PT
Visa versa
"Since their illegal livelihoods have been affected by the spraying, these persons do not offer objective information about the program."

And on the other hand...
"Since their legal livelihoods have been affected by the spraying, these persons do not offer objective information about the program."

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Fox News is the worst with all of the sound effects, it truely is bogus. And pointing to US thirst for global news, let's not forget the hard driven reporting that goes into the CNN Global 'Minute'...! What a joke.



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Comment #18 posted by Pontifex on August 21, 2001 at 18:44:49 PT:

How to keep debates and minds closed
Wow, Lehder, thanks for sharing Kissinger's succinct theory of professional punditry. Rather than try to control the outcome of the debate -- and risk confronting arguments that cannot be refuted -- it's much more effective to control the boundaries of the debate. Should we execute drug traffickers, or give them life sentences? Jail or "treatment"? Republican or Democrat?

Bob Dole rather ineptly demonstrated this technique during the Oct. 16, 1996 presidential debate. "We're going to balance the budget, by the year 2000 the President wants to spend 20 percent more in the next six years, and I want to spend 14 percent more and give that 6 percent back to the people. Remember, it's your money; it's not his money." What Dole meant, of course, is "Remember, it's my money; it's not his money."

When has the one-party system ever been so obvious?

It's sad, Lehder, that the girl you met had such apparent contempt for education and reading. It's a typical outcome for victims of the government schools.

Do 'dozens' of people read this site? It's pure conjecture based on the number of regular comments. But even if our circulation is that small, the average contributor to this site is very well informed and motivated and probably influences many other people's opinions. I guess we're aiming for the ripple effect.

Although it would be a rare treat to get some pro-Drug War comments on here for a change. >=)

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Comment #17 posted by Lehder on August 21, 2001 at 17:55:16 PT
weirder, still, Ethan
I wrote down a word you used recently - anosmic, a good one, as in anosmia. a physician would know.
everybody's anosmic, otherwise the stench of mendacity would have ended this war long ago.


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Comment #16 posted by Lehder on August 21, 2001 at 17:52:24 PT
yeah, Ethan, it's funny too.
At the bus stop not so long ago, with a bunch to read under my arm, a girl said to me, "You seem kinda old to be going to school, still." Then she told me, " Gee, I think the last time I read a book was in the third grade." I really feel sorry for these peoople, nothing to do but paint her nails and watch tv. It has a lot to do with our trouble. It's something the Libertarians mean to fix. George Bush doesn't read either; Harry Browne writes books, real ones too, not like Al Gore's. I'm going to skip reading clinton's ten million dollar book, tho I'm sure he can write his own. He really cheated us - he knew better. Out of 454 representatives, 100 senators, 50 governors I count one lame duck patriot. surely more among them read. where are the patriots? it's very disheartening.

and how many read this bulletin board? I think Pontifex said "dozens." It's not enough. We gotta get the message on TV before we can teach 'em to read. yeah, books, freakish ain't they? weird.

I'm sure you know the quote from some Nazi - "when I hear the word culture I pull back the safety catch on my revolver."

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Comment #15 posted by Ethan Russo, MD on August 21, 2001 at 17:38:38 PT:

Lehder:
You read books?

How truly subversive!

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Comment #14 posted by Lehder on August 21, 2001 at 16:41:50 PT
yes, Pontifex
"You know the bounds I'm talking about: should we
jail and rob drug users, or just sentence them to "treatment"?"

Yes, this is what drug warriors call a debate. It's no debate at all, as you easily recognize. Either way, the drug war apparatus remains in place and grows. In similar vein, Henry Kissinger once explained how to become an "expert", one of those "talking heads" you see on TV getting paid big bucks to piss us off. You take a government policy, he said, and being careful not to say anything at all outside that policy, you make endless arguments about fine points and dinstictions all totally within the same stupid [my word] policy. You never challenge the basic attitude, you just talk endlessly about small distinctions within that attitude. Like, should we imprison or rehabilitate? It's all such crap. None of it is productive. It doesn't produce anything or lead anywhere.AMerica will wither, decline and fall if everybody has to always be politically correct. So far the only mainstream mention, and rare as it is, of the drug war is all in this vein - fine distinctions about how the war should go on.

I'm reading a book about Joe McCarthy. It shows how it all started with Truman's rhetoric - something I was not aware of - about communism. Where Roosevelt, the book says, regarded the Soviet Union as a country with national interests that could be negotiated with and compromised with, Truman's rhetoric essentially rendered such policies impossible - either you were opposed to the destruction of our way of life and opposed to the SOviet Union or else you were a traitor. This set the stage for McCarthy and the sick witch hunts for communists in every corner of government. Even though maybe only 2 or 3 actual agents were actually ever unearthed, the mindless inquisitions and search for communists drove people crazy for years. If I get in the mood later I will put some quotes from this interesting book on our board. The attitudes were exactly the same as in our present drug war.


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Comment #13 posted by Pontifex on August 21, 2001 at 15:13:19 PT:

hallelujah
Lehder, I agree with you 100%. Ours is a one-party system, and that party is the Authoritarians. Their control is so complete that only self-made independents (Gov. Ventura) and exceptionally courageous lame ducks (Gov. Johnson) dare to stray from the acceptable bounds of drug debate. You know the bounds I'm talking about: should we jail and rob drug users, or just sentence them to "treatment"?

Digit, I agree that televised news -- really any news that is filtered by government agencies -- is necessarily incomplete and biased. The serious free thinker must triangulate the truth from several different sources, and at this the Internet excels. I will never give a dime to the New York Times or L.A. Times, but I can read their articles for free online. People who don't trust information on the net do so out of ignorance; they'll come around.

But on this one point I disagree, and side with FoM. I think Scotland would be a better place if there were a bit more kilt-wearing and broadsword-wielding. :)

dddd, you really have a hallucinogenic way of bringing things to life. I pity that poor nail.

And to everybody, THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE. I relish your comments as much as any piece of professional journalism. I don't always get a chance to respond or give thanks, but the analysis on this site is brilliant and I read just about everything. Thanks a ton for writing. And if your lonely, thought-provoking comment doesn't get a reply, rest assured that dozens -- perhaps more -- are reading it in silence and meditating on your thoughts.

By the way, I missed a great piece of news. There was an article somewhere recently quoting some Drug Warrior who said that Roundup is so benign, he'd line up his family in a field right before it was sprayed.

Did anyone catch this? I was stunned. Somebody needs to make him put up, or shut up. But it's not nice to harm innocents, so I would be satisfied to leave his family out of it and just see the drug warrior himself get sprayed. In fact, a Monsanto shower should be required training for all Columbian Drug War apologists.

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Comment #12 posted by Lehder on August 21, 2001 at 13:54:14 PT
are we having fun yet?
E. Johnson is speaking my mind too. The Soviet Union collapsed and has not recovered, it's nothing but rampant crime and disorder. It's economy collapsed long before the political collapse. People had to stand in line for hours just to get toilet paper. They stood in line for hours without even knowing what they would be able to buy at the end because they needed everything. That's where we're headed.

And we've had another crash in the market today. Greenspan predicting many more layoffs, more people out of work.there will be fewer houses built, more people homeless, more people losing their mortgaged homes to the banks. It takes more than a drug war to make an economy, you drug warring shitheads. But you don't care at all what happens to the country or its people do you? as long as you get to exercise your hatred and collect your federal graft.



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Comment #11 posted by E. Johnson on August 21, 2001 at 13:09:04 PT
America is the new Soviet Union
Hey, hasn't anyone realized this yet?

We've collapsed to a single party system on the War on Drugs, and drugs have become to American politicians what capitalism was to Soviet apparatchiks -- a demon to shake your fist at and use as an excuse to curtial freedoms and increase the state right to seize private property under the pretense of making people more safe and secure.

There was virutally no difference between the Bush and Gore proposed Drug War during the campaign.

Theoretically, our system is designed to offer choice.

When the choice seems to have vanished -- it's time to worry.

Ideological control and expropriation -- the two main activities of the Communist State, now perfectly adapted to the American War on Drugs.

Hey, I'll bet those guys in the DEA actually imagine themselves as being devout anti-Communists. Isn't that a big laugh? Isn't that funny?

Maybe it's not funny though. Maybe it's pathetic and frightening, maybe that's what it is.


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Comment #10 posted by FoM on August 21, 2001 at 12:04:56 PT
Digit
That was great! You sure didn't insult me and I'm disappointed that you don't run around in a kilt! I'm a quarter Scottish! LOL!

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