Kap's (et al) screed on the mentality of the Drug Warrior seems to be on target. It reminds me of something I once read about the top officers in the Naazi Party. They also came from disturbed households -- check out the early childhood of A. Hitler, where his punishing father was much, much older than his mother, and there are suggestions of sexual abuse of the young Adolph.

And so I think it certainly true that many (not all) of these people who want to control us (but only for our own good!) came from dysfunctional homes where they didn't have control, but the control was in the hands of their stern parents. I'm sure people like A.S. Neill (Summerhill school) have had this idea before. Unfortunately people like that get into positions of power (I mean, would any of those who are reading this really want to become a cop?) and thus get to try and control us.

For those of you who read these comments for the information you find; THIS IS NOT A RECREATIONAL / PARTY DRUG. You can get seriuosly injured by not understanding how Salvia Divinorum is used. For those who want to smoke it as a joint or so forget it ; won't get you much. For those playing with Salvinorin A, this is a tool for self discovery which will not benefit from a Party scene; If you go into a full trip you should be guarded by a sitter who is willing to take care of you for a while (a short one too).

BTW, the cat is out of the bag already; Salvia has been discussed for 4-5 years now, and the antis already took notice; it may take a while to get this scheduled so..

You're right, there must be some kind of lust for control over other people, to justify some personal need for control, or a lack of self-esteem. The only one of the my close friends who is against legalizing cannabis is one of the most mentally screwed-up people I know - he's very shy, has chronic low self-esteem. Also, he recently had to stop drinking alcohol and is in substance abuse couseling. I think he hates the fact that everyone else smokes up & laughs and has a good time and has no problem with it. But he can't control his compulsion for alcohol, it was ruining his life and he hates us for it.

It's so true, though - think about it. Imagine you really are appalled by the damage drug abuse causes. If you want to stop it, you go help drug-abusers! If you want to protect the children, TALK to them! Go work to educate them! You don't sic the police and politicians on them. That's just hatemongering.

Then, a wave of sensationalist stories hit the media. "Ecstacy use on the rise"..."NEW drug can cause brain damage, says obscure Dr. Getalife", etc. Of course, for each one, the proper DEA authorities, LEO, etc. were sought out for their opinion. Having nothing to offer to the media, the DEA realized they were missing an opportunity and quickly banned the substance, resulting in yet another wave of publicity, again with outlandish reports of danger, PLUS igniting the "forbidden fruit" appeal.

Interdiction jacked up prices, bringing the worldwide crime syndicate/drug industry a new product line. All the media attention was a nifty advertising campaign for the drug (Oxycontin, anyone?), DARE began spreading the word to kids, and *bingo*, ecstacy use has EXPLODED since the mid- 80s when it was banned.

Our system works flawlessly. Why do you think we have higher drug use than any country in Europe, ESPECIALLY among youth? None of this is a surprise to any high-level gov't official. With Communism gone, we need a large population of stigmatized, "evil" people to fuel our military-prison-enforcement infrastructure. I mean, what do you think keeps the Republicans in power? Unless you own a company or are a very high-level business exec, they don't benefit you. They remain in control by turning the ignorant, impressionable element of society against the weakest element of our society - minorities, the poor, and drug-users. Of course, the evil Commies were the most ideal, but they just couldn't keep their end of the bargain - the damn Russian economy collapsed and spoiled everything!

The degree to which people allowed themselves to be programmed has always amazed me. Something like 40% of women vote Republican! I find that to be incredible! Well, I'm glad cannabisnews spreading the truth, the only antidote. As Bob Marley said, "The more man smoke herb, the faster Bablyon falls......."

I do not wish to condone or encourage the use of Salvia D, but disinformation can be worse than no information, so...

1. I have never ever heard any reports of anyone puking when using Salvia, including all documented accounts at www.erowid.org. Some people sweat and/or exhibit other physical symptoms, but I have not met any of these people (face-to-face) to date.

2. The high is not "weak" but probably the most intense experience humanly possible next to death, comparable with but probably much stronger than a DMT experience. That is part of what makes it so inappropriate as a "party drug".

3. Salvia is in no way comparable to nor should it ever be construed as a marijuana substitute. The two experiences have nothing in common except that both are usually smoked. Some people drive while high on marijuana. Driving on Salvia will likely get you or someone else killed.

4. Smoking regular-strength Salvia leaves is a waste of time for most people. The amount of the active ingredients (Salvinorin-A, -B) are rather low in the raw plant material.

5. Salvia very rarely seeds, the viability of the seeds is extremely low, and the seedlings grow slowly and weak. The most common method or propagation is via cuttings. Don't waste your time looking for Salvia seeds, though they are available.

6. If any of the facts above are news to you, do not try Salvia D. If you haven't researched enough to know these things, you are potentially endangering yourself if you try it. If you have a desire for more information, visit Daniel Seibert's site at www.sagewisdom.org and LEARN, but don't just buy the stuff and try it.

This is not a recreational substance. This isn't the new "legal (X, LSD, MJ, insert any drug name here)". This is a totally different and potentially dangerous substance that is not to be played with or taken lightly.

Sorry for the rant, but I have a personal connection to this plant. It is disinformation and uneducated experimental blundering that will inevitably lead to scheduling of this highly beneficial plant.

It's neurosis that is verging on psychosis....and as strange as it
may sound,,these people need "treatment",,,,imagine if all was
different.and the federal monster had become twisted in a different
way,,and we were locking up these habitual authoritarian offenders
by the thousands,,and we were just now getting to the point were
we were starting to "treat" these delusional authoritarian offenders..
.....this is obviously an asbstract analogy,,but one can view these
obsessive,mentally disturbed antis,as people who have a bad habit,
or illness,,,,kinda like an addiction to being an authoritarian control
freak....................this is indeed,,a strange ramble,,,,and the "mentally
ill" excuse,is quite rare when compared to the lust for power/money/
success syndrome,,,which is far more addicting than any drug.....so,,I
guess we shouldnt hate these anti bastards,,,we should realize that they
need "treatment",,,,and under prop 3666,we could stop the inhumane
imprisonment of all these power abusers,,,,,,,,treatment instead of jail,
,,and we could have them report in to our courts after
we administered our coerced treatment,to make sure that they have
not been abusing the power and money,,,with any luck,we could concoct
some bodily fluid,or excretion test ,that would be randomly admistered
to these offenders,to make sure they have not been getting high on abusing
power and hoarding money...........but money and power abusers,are the
hardest offenders to treat,or cure....

"Antis seem to assume everyone is a potential or closet child abuser. Hence their dogmatic mantra they use in rationalizing their DrugWar, shrieked over again: "It's for the chil-drun! It's for the chil-drun!”,,

The scariest thing,,is that the very people who are obsessed with suspecting
people of "closet" abuses,,like many cops are naturally trained to be,and they
get this nasty attitude thinking that most people are guilty of something,(which
they in fact are),,but it's only natural for people in positions of authority
and control,to become infected with this 'holier than thou' neurosis.....these
people are the ones that most often have really ugly problems deep within
their own worlds,,,,and like you said;"This pathology is exercised within the bounds of society. "

quite frightening........indeed

I'm spaced,,,,,,,,and I enjoy it...dddd

The Twisted Badge
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""We know it's out there," said federal Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman Will Glaspy. "We're looking at it to see if it needs to be controlled."

The last three words say it all about the mindset of antis.

My pet theory about this is that some-but-not-all antis come from authoritarian households whose child upbringing practices bordered upon physical and emotional abuse. Said treatment at an early age caused the development of various mental pathologies, all of which center around the lack of control of their environment...and the desperate need to acquire that control to have a sense of physical security which they never had while growing up.

So they literally have to control all behavior in a given area surrounding them physically, and by joining a police department, over society as a whole by projection and inference.

As the old saying goes, a thief will suspect you of theft, and a liar of lying...as they have both had intimate experience at their various personality twists and assume everyone does...because they do. So, unconsciously, many antis act out in society what they wished they could have done to those who tormented and lorded it over them.

Even worse, were you to peek into many an anti household (and my neighbors at one time were cops, so this is not theorizing here, but the observations of an academically trained sociologist) the very same kind of behavior patterns can often be observed. Behavior patterns indicative of abuse. Verbal intimidation with the implied threat of force at the slightest intimation of resistance. "Grilling" one's own family members over trivial matters. Suspicion of their motives. Hair-trigger tempers resulting in bruises or worse. In short, many antis are themselves the very thing they did not want to become...and jumped on the DrugWar 'crusade' bandwagon to prevent from happening to others.

They become abusers. But not merely of their own families and friends. That is tragic enough. But it's worse than that. This pathology is exercised within the bounds of society.

Antis seem to assume everyone is a potential or closet child abuser. Hence their dogmatic mantra they use in rationalizing their DrugWar, shrieked over again: "It's for the chil-drun! It's for the chil-drun!”

Yet antis have killed children. Alberto Sepulveda. Esequiel Hernandez. In order to 'save' them.